From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #233 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, June 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- help with tickets for Richmond, VA show? [Rob Gronotte ] Re: Tori Covered & ftch (or FtCH) ["Katie Meeker" ] Re: the doughnut song... [BlueGirl88@aol.com] Thoughts on the songs... [Beth Winegarner ] blue skies ["Sonya Harway" ] me and a gun [anney ] old RDT'ers? [Abbe J Cohen ] tickets for sale [Rubysfruit@aol.com] Re: blue skies [~*jenn*~ ] Help Tori reach #1! ["Nick J. Mattos Jr." ] Re: Videos, and other things. ["Erika Johnson" ] NEW TORI ZINE!!!!! [RsbrySwrrl@aol.com] hello again [HopelsDrmr@aol.com] Re: old RDT'ers? [Richard Handal ] She's Your Cocaine [BlueGirl88@aol.com] Re: Thoughts on the songs... [becky ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: help with tickets for Richmond, VA show? Is anyone in thre Richmond area going to be waiting in line this Saturday to get good seats? Could they get me an extra one or two? I'm in DC and don't really want to call down and pay $7 or something extra for ticketbastard inconvenience charges. I could offer you a good tape of the show for your effort, as I'd be recording. The show in DC is at a huge arena, and I'd much rather go to the smaller Richmond venue. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:39:26 -0700 From: "Katie Meeker" Subject: Re: Tori Covered & ftch (or FtCH) hi... I am interested in receiving a copy of the first Tori Amos Covered project...the page that covers this project refers me to this list to acquire a copy...if someone could help me out, I would really appreciate it... Katie - --- DrAgOn'S.TeArS--ThE wInDoW tO mY sOuL... http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/dragon.tear/index.html @-'-,-'--- ShArDs.Of.CoLoReD.GlAsS (ToRi AmOs TrAdInG lIsT) http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/dragon.tear/toritrade.html get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:15:09 EDT From: Youre@aol.com Subject: Videos, and other things. Does any one no how to get the videos to Cornflake Girl, Professional Widow (plus remix), Hey Jupiter, Caught a lite sneeze, Silent all these years, Precious things, and Winter? I looked every where and the only on I can find is Winter. Also can any one tell me what some of Tori's songs mean? 20. Daisy Dead Petals (Cornflake single) 19. Norther Lad 18. She's Your Cocaine 17. Space Dog 16. Talula (Talula single) 15. Honey (Hey Jupiter single) 14. Little Amsterdam 13. Happy Phontom 12. Caught a lite sneeze 11. Cruel 10. iieee 09. Crucify 08. Take to the Sky (Winter single) 07. Sweet Dreams (same as above) 06. Professional Widow (Hey Jupiter single) 05. Spark 04. Cornflake Girl 03. Silent all These Years 02. Precious Things 01. LONDON GIRLS (Talula single) Thats all, Benny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:54:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Warm little liquid diamonds On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Cynthia Glass wrote: > > Now I don't know if this has already been discussed before on this > list(and if so I apologize) but I was wondering if anyone else saw the > connection between the line in "Blood Roses" that goes "You gave him > your blood and your warm little diamond" and the diamonds of liquid in > the song "Liquid Diamonds"...both seem to have that *bodily fluid* sense > about them...I think you know what metaphor I mean...just curious if > anyone else noticed a possible connection? > > Cynthia > > Visit my website- http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum/ > "The Glass Asylum" > ThanksI think Tori is referring to the female genitalia here... there's another reference somewhere similaras well, anyone? Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:36:24 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Re: the doughnut song... 'Beyond the pale' is an idiom. It's defined in a book : The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy as Beyond the pale : Totally unacceptable : "His business practices have always been questionable, but the last takeover was beyond the pale." or The Pale in Ireland was a territorial limit beyond which English rule did not extend. I would go with the first definition of beyond the pale meaning : totally unacceptable. In a message dated 6/23/98 2:06:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hardic2@rpi.edu writes: > recently i was reading an article in the irish times i think it was, and > the author used the terminology 'beyond the pale' (this was an > editoral)...well, instantly i thought of the doughnut song...i also know > that dublin is often referred as 'the pale (sp?)' in ireland...i also know > that part of 'boys for pele' was recorded in ireland...is it possible that > tori is referring to dublin in this song??? if not, what do you think > she's referring to??? i would like to hear your thoughts... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:43:03 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Thoughts on the songs... I know I posted a ton of thoughts about "Black Dove" already (and its relationship to MaaG) -- the victim side, as well as having to get to that place to confront what has happened (TEXAS). I agree with those who say her 'blue dress' is her sadness. I think that's right on the money. Feels right for me. Right now, every time I listen to it I think of "Honey." It's that bit about the cowboys and how "the snakes they are my kin." It reminds me of "cowboys know cowgirls ride on the Indian side." Plus the sounds of the songs are similar to me, especially the muted, kind of stormy feeling in the beginning of each (I'm listening to them now, "Honey" first, then "Dove"). There is a definite similarity in feeling, maybe not the chords (I don't know a lot about music), but the rhythm of the piano and the song itself is very similar. And her vocal is quite similar in timbre and delivery. I quite like it. Linking these songs together like this. What does anyone else out there think? And does this count in there with the "Choirgirl reminds me of Pink" conversation? :) In reference to Mikewhy's site and all the setlists and reviews from the european shows... it's SO nice to be able to hear how the shows are going, and that pretty much everything gets covered. But I have some thoughts I'd like to share (... as always ...) Tori didn't play MaaG through the sneak preview tour, saying "oh she's taking a little vacation." But she still hasn't played the song, as far as I can tell, at ANY of the shows on the Plugged tour so far. (A pause while I turn down my speakers, since Mr. Jon Evans is trying to blow them out...) Now, I don't listen to the song that much... it's a hard place to go to... but I am really surprised that after her dedication to that tune, she hasn't sung it once since the tour began, at least not publicly. Also, is Tori not saying much or telling stories anymore from the stage? Because all the reviews I've read, hardly anyone is retelling Tori quotes or anything like that -- which is always one of the best parts about reading those reviews! I can't help but wonder if no one's remembering what she said, or if she's keeping quiet. Maybe in the non-English-as-a-dominant-language countries she's not saying much, but even the UK dates didn't seem to find her very chatty. What gives? I wanna hear a sTori! :P I'm wondering also if Tori saw the recent VH1 Legends special on David Cassidy -- how the fame and the hysterical nature of his fan base forced him out of stardom, and just made him miserable. Maybe there's a little irony in the line from Jackie's Strength about him -- because Tori's fans have become a pretty stressful lot, not as bad as David's but I'm sure at times she can relate. Another thought on Jackie: I always felt the "feeling old by 21" line related to her rape experience -- didn't that happen when she was 21? I know when it happened to me, I felt pretty old from that point on. And when something that devastating happens you think you're never going to be involved again -- either you're 'soiled' or you can't trust. Hence "never thought my day would come." And one more thing before I quit: is someone out there working on deciphering the background vocals on the new album? We got the ones for Pele and the previous efforts (whatever happened to the girl who switched around the wires on her speaks to cut out the lead vocals?), but I wanna know what she's singing in "Spark" and "i i e e e" And all these other tunes where the vocals are so layered that no one's made out more than the "swing low sweet chariot" bits on "Spark." I don't have the resources to really hear what's going on... but I'm surprised no one's tackled the project. A last note to Richard Handal: some months ago I posted about this tiny 'glitch' sound in "Not the Red Baron" when she's singing "every step, every beautiful heel" -- on the 's' in 'step.' Well, I heard it again the other night, this time listening to the 'circles and circles' part on "Upside Down," which leads me to believe you're right, it's something in the way Tori forms her 's' sounds and the way they transfer to the recording medium. (grin) Beth - -- "Is food your favorite obsession?" I ask. Amos' eyes gleam wickedly. "No," she says, grinning. "It's just a smokescreen for my favorite obsession." "Which would be?" She takes a perfect pause. "Comparitive religion." - -- David Daley on Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:46:25 PDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: blue skies I forget who wanted this, so here it is for all to enjoy. I myself did this out, so there are a few obvious mistakes (line 7) so if anyone has the actual lyrics or they have a different take, let me know. Blue Skies: BT/Tori Amos Radio Edit (other versions differ slightly) Blue skies in my head Well, timebombs are marching the soldier sighed, says he, "Let's go, let's go, let's go to this magic wonder show." And I'm walking out, crawling out, thoughts all loud insane (???) Blue skies in my head blue skies in my head blue skies in my head blue skies, blue skies Which was it I can sees so I can see on my lullaby Just when she's thinking 'I can see so I can see on my lullaby' You can go just where she's going Blue skies in my head blue skies in my head blue skies in my head blue skies, blue skies Blue skies, only see blue skies out at night Blue skies in my head blue skies in my head (he said) blue skies in my head blue skies in my head blue skies, blue skies ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:11:13 -0500 From: anney Subject: me and a gun >Tori didn't play MaaG through the sneak preview tour, saying "oh she's >taking a little vacation." But she still hasn't played the song, as far as I >can tell, at ANY of the shows on the Plugged tour so far. i've noticed this too, and i think with choirgirl tori has reached a place where she doesn't *need* that song anymore. maybe i think this because i've been raped, but you get to a place where you're okay, where it doesn't hurt terribly anymore and it still bothers you but you don't think about it a lot, etc. maybe tori's reached the place where she's healed and she wants to move on to other things [like black dove, etc]. so maybe she's singing black dove in place of me and a gun because she doesn't need me and a gun any longer but there's still that tiny place that hasn't healed yet so that's where black dove comes in. i don't know if you're following me but i'm trying my best to describe how i feel about this song. maybe with her marriage and miscarriage she's put MaaG in the back and she needs other girls now. it's been a long time [something like ten years, right?] since the occurance occured for which she wrote that song, and it's only been a year and a half since her miscarriage. she's drawing from girls she needs more right now and MaaG isn't one of them. just my muddled throughts, anah w ell-be ha ved wom en ra rely make hi st ory http://www.overlap.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: old RDT'ers? I always find that I pay more attention to the tori lists right before and after an album is released - you know, you start the habit of checking a few times a day for updates on tour tickets, or for someone having heard some lyrics from a press copy ahead of time, and so on, and then the habit sticks for a while and you're as obsessed with reading the mailing list as with listening to the new album over and over again. Anyway, it got me in the mood to be nostalgic about this time period with all of Tori's other albums, and I wandered off to look at old archives from the original RDT - I mean back when it was rdt@gradient.cis.upenn.edu, and when Anthony Kosky was running it. Back way before precious-things existed. ;-) Well, I didn't find my first-ever post to a tori list, which is what I was sort of looking for. But I did notice how little overlap there was between people who were active on RDT then and people who are active on any Tori lists now... so, all of you who were RDT'ers back in '93 or '94: "Are you still out there"? I've run into Thor at the harborlights concert (fall '96); woj, Richard Handal, Marcel Rijs, fuzzbox@world.std.com, and Kim.Dyer are still posting regularly enough that I know they're still here; I think the last time I ran into tyg he'd finally given up on the signal-to-noise ratio; Anthony Kosky posted something in vaguely recent memory -- but there were lots of other names out there. I'm kind of curious whether you're still listening to Tori, still reading some Tori list or another, or have dropped off the 'net... If you've been on a Tori list since, say, before UtP came out, drop me a line and I'll see what sort of interesting statistics I can post about how many of us there are. =) And Anthony, if you're reading this: when was the old RDT started? Abbe abbe@mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:36:47 EDT From: Rubysfruit@aol.com Subject: tickets for sale have two good seats for the July 28 show in NYC for sale,( $100 pair) please email me if interested rubysfruit@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:42:15 -0700 From: ~*jenn*~ Subject: Re: blue skies here's my take on blue skies: ah, yeah those blue skies in my head blue skies in my head well, timebombs are marching the soldier sighed, says he 'Let's go, let's go, let's go to this magic wonder show' and I'm walking in, crawling out, it's totally insane blue skies in my head blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies, blue skies {up ahead} Which was it I can see so I can sing him a lullaby Just when she's thinking 'I can see so I can sing him a lullaby' You can go just where she's going Blue skies in my head blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies, blue skies {up ahead} Blue skies, only see blue skies out at night Blue skies in my head blue skies in my head he said blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies in my head {blue skies up ahead} blue skies, blue skies {are up ahead} torihugs and faeriekisses, ~~*jenn*~ - -- ~~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~ "We are all Faeries living underneath a leaf on a lily pad" ~Tori~ ~~*Come Dance in Jenn's Faerie Ring*~ http://fly.to/faeriering ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:47:47 -0800 From: "Nick J. Mattos Jr." Subject: Help Tori reach #1! Hello everyone! PollStar has their own charts of most requested concert dates on the Internet. Today, Tori is at #23. We can get her to #1 if we help! Just go to http://www.pollstar.com and search for Tori Amos. We can help!!! Nick P.S. Are there any other Rebekah fans on this list? Her debut album, "Remember to Breathe", is AMAZING. - -- "Oh, I don't get wild. Wild on me equals spaz." - -- Alyson Hannigan All The Dried Roses: An Unofficial Lori Carson Homepage http://listen.to/loricarson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:07:04 -0400 From: "Erika Johnson" Subject: Re: Videos, and other things. just a thought... but does anyone else think She's Your Cocaine is about a drag queen. lemme explain... Ok, she she's got him shaving his legs... and putting make-up on and being his own favorite stranger... sounds like a guy dressing up like a girl and they all like to watch him do it and if he cant handle the fact he likes dressing up like a woman he needs to just get over it and bring his "sister" he does'nt know where she cam from it says, "cus he was so tied up" perhaps with being something he wasnt and she knows what [he] is... some of the rest of the song i cant make fit, but to me this is what its about. sorry if its silly and obvious but i just had to share :) - ---------- > > Also can any one tell me what some of Tori's songs mean? > 18. She's Your Cocaine > Thats all, Benny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:12:46 EDT From: RsbrySwrrl@aol.com Subject: NEW TORI ZINE!!!!! Hi! I'm working on putting together a new magazine with news, information, reviews, artwork, poetry, short stories, articles, pictures, reviews, interviews, and various other items - all about our favorite musical goddess: Tori Amos. The first issue is set to press in September, with issues coming out quarterly. I am looking for anything and everything you want to submit about Tori: artwork, poetry, short stories, your "meeting Tori" stories, news, pictures, info, etc. All submissions will be credited to the artist/writer, however I cannot guarantee inclusion of every submission (that's an editor's job, to choose the best ones, right?) Mailed submissions with pictures or other items will be returned to you after use/perusal if you request. This magazine will be sent to Tori's record label, Atlantic Records, and a copy will be hand-delivered to Tori herself. Also, I am looking for help with distribution. If you know of a record store in your area that would possibly carry the magazine, please forward their name, address, phone, email, or any other info on them to me. Also, I need ideas for a name for the magazine. I already have a few ideas, but I want you guys to suggest some too, cuz this will be a magazine by and for the Ears With Feet. Thanx in advance! Email me if you can contribute anything! Heather RsbrySwrrl@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:33:06 EDT From: HopelsDrmr@aol.com Subject: hello again well, it is me again. The chicago show isn't too far away and I need some last minute opinions of how to boot the show. I have 7th row center, and I just need some suggestions, tips and tricks. So, please reply if you know, I would love to send anyone a copy of the show. If you remember my name used to be, notorious_amos@hotmail.com. It has changed, please note it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: old RDT'ers? Abbe wrote: > [...]so, all of you who were RDT'ers back in '93 or '94: > > "Are you still out there"? [...] > [...]Anthony Kosky posted something in vaguely recent memory[...] > And Anthony, if you're reading this: when was the old RDT started? Anthony's only on the new version of RDT [RDT(RN)] last I heard. Anthony began RDT on May 6, 1992. I didn't manage to sub until mid-November, 1993. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:55:18 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: She's Your Cocaine Someone mentioned 'She's your Cocaine' being about a drag queen, but that's not true because Tori had this to say on Modern Rock Live about 'She's your Cocaine.' Tori on MRL "It's about umm me being really strappy and umm vile because somebody uh finds a woman that's a black hole that isn't a woman's woman interesting.....You know a lot of guys and alot of them are on my crew they're like my brothers and umm it blows me away sometimes the women they're attracted to....Let's be honest here....The women they're attracted to right me & Beenie (sp?) who's my bestfriend & Karen & ? we would NEVER like even if they were crawling we wouldn't give them the worm at the end of the tequilla bottle...FORGET IT! They could beg, crawl dog on your knees hopefully lick the sand they wouldn't get a chance. These women....Let me tell you something about these women...They have this little thing.....This little beard between their legs and they're snake....They're reptillian.....I don't want to hurt the poor snake life even.....You know it's a cut to the snake world....But these girls.....They're takers....And guys don't see it because they don't sit there......They do their killing.....Say we're eating dinner right and one of these girls is at the table and there's a big party of us......Some of these guys are going 'Isn't she the sweetest thing you've ever seen?" and you're going she just murdered the girl next to you, the girl you brought is like a walking corpse because of this other girl...Like over the head.......They don't even get these slime walking.... Max the interviewer jumps in : But it's on both sides smart women foolish men, smart women foolish choices...... Tori again: No no no sorry Max I hate to burst your bubble but men are obvious. I don't know men that they can't canive the same way. Let me tell you what the difference is. These women try to get in and act like they're your friend. They act like they're your bestfriend. And so they find out all your secrets, they find out everything and then they go to your man or to your other friends and just completely ruin your relationships with them....I'm telling you they are Lucifer Lucifer with boobs.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:18:40 -0400 From: becky Subject: Re: Thoughts on the songs... This post made me think of something and it's probably entirely off the subject . . . but . . . are there certain "girls" that Tori just doesn't like? She's pulled a lot of the same songs for each stop of this present tour . . . meaning the secret time, not the ones with the band . . . and I'm just wondering why the other ones rarely see the light of day. They might just be shy, but . . . I'm so fond of some of them. I wish they would come out and play sometime. Any thoughts? becky ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #233 *************************************