From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #224 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: No Cigarettes/Nicotine Patches [**Molly Marguerite** ] rasberry swirl [tost@cyber.net.pk (Naushin Lotia)] new Tori *** warning: long ["Nicolas Neubauer" ] Re: Umm...I have a question? [~*jenn*~ ] Re: Lyrics/Spark/Pandora's Aquarius [Beth Coulter ] Rudeness and Grumpiness [Bob Moyer ] Tori-Themes Page ["Dan Lucy" ] Re: Umm...I have a question? [Jason Bilsky ] Re: Rudeness and Grumpiness [Michael Curry ] Re: Umm...I have a question? [Yessaid@aol.com] 6:58 are you sure where my spark interp is? ["Meggie" ] Re: Rudeness and Grumpiness [Nadyne Mielke ] Music Boulevard ["Giovanni" ] Re: new concert date [Mireya ] Tampa tix ON SALE NOW / Knoxville venue change [ToriTour ] Re: tour info [Michael Curry ] ADMIN: HTML/mime and other mail encoding [Michael Curry ] Re: Umm...I have a question? [ToriBoi@aol.com] Rudeness and Grumpiness [BlueGirl88@aol.com] have YOUself a merry little christmas [ToriBoi@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:12:32 +0000 From: **Molly Marguerite** Subject: Re: No Cigarettes/Nicotine Patches I thought "peeled Havanas" was referring to a cigar aren't some cigars called Havanas, cuban cigars? Is there a fruit called Havana? If her husband is/was a smoker and that bothered her, it would be on her mind a lot and would probably show up one way or another in her songs. My Fiance smokes and it bothers me I'm always dreaming about things with cigarettes. Just thinking out loud Molly Marguerite Ashley Blaize wrote: > > After reading all of the talk of the nicotine patches deal in Spark, > has anyone put that line with a line from the next track (Cruel, duh) > which is "No cigarettes, only peeled havanas for you" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:20:30 +0200 From: sabrina Subject: Re: am I really a grumpy old man? At 19:35 15/06/98 -0400, Jason wrote: >I just got some tapes of the club shows, and honestly, I'm >appalled at the behaviour of the audiences at these shows. Jason, I think you better head off to Europe to see Tori next time. I'm not sure about the UK, but from what I've heard from Central European Toriphiles, and from the show I attended (Frankfurt), I can tell you there was a stark difference when it came to audience behavior. Basically it started with cheering when the band, and later Tori came on stage. Black Dove starts, crowd claps when it recognizes the song... silence. End of Black Dove, crowd cheers (by cheering I mean clapping, whistling, the "whoo's" but no yelling or screaming), Precious Things starts... silence. PT ends, crowd cheers... iieee starts... silence. You get the idea. The only time the crowd applauded was in between the songs... during the quieter songs, you could have heard a pin drop. The one and only time someone yelled something from the crowd, was during the Devlins set, when the lead singer said "this is our first time in Germany" and someone responded with "Welcome", after which the singer smiled and said "thank you". >Has anyone ever talked in depth to Tori about how she >feels about the behaviour of these people? I think I read somewhere, that Tori gets pretty annoyed at the screaming, especially when interrupted during a song. I don't find this hard to believe. Screaming is annoying, but screaming *during* a song is even worse, 'cos this is likely to break her concentration. Everything I said also applies to the meet n greets. I've experienced the pushing and shoving in the US. This show, fans would actually *move* aside, to let those, who were standing behind them, hand Tori things to sign. It's no wonder Tori took her time and seemed very relaxed. Even Joel didn't stress her. She came out of the venue, looking fragile and a little scared, half hiding behind Joel. She relaxed visibly, when she saw that there weren't that many people (around 20) waiting, and when she wasn't greeted with screams, but just a friendly round of applause. I don't know what people think when they yell. it's stuff like that, that makes Tori move down the line even quicker. I don't know why fans behave differently. Someone told me it might be 'cos of the language barrier, which is why "foreign" fans aren't so verbal. But you don't have to speak fluent English to yell "I love you". I also don't think it's 'cos some fans love her more. God knows, if they really loved her, they'd shut up. sabrina P.S. I'd also be curious to know, if other Euro shows went the same way I described, or if my experience was just a one time thing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:27:22 +0500 From: tost@cyber.net.pk (Naushin Lotia) Subject: rasberry swirl what are the background lyrics in rasberry swirl? during the chorus. i think she says three lines and the last one to me sounds like "i can't forget her" anyone else have any takes on this? n. - -- "I'm an unglamorous person, and don't have the need to write pretty or be pleasant." -Ani DiFranco. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:53:58 +0200 From: "Nicolas Neubauer" Subject: new Tori *** warning: long Hello EWF-people! I'm on the list for quite a while, but usually I keep reading the msgs and enjoying the richness of Toriworld while surfing the web.. This time though, (it's been in me for a while, I must say) I guess I have to make myself heard.. So here I am sitting at my desk, listening to "Jackie's Strength" and feeling like I finally have to tell you people about my thoughts towards "new Tori" ("bla" alert.. ;) Now, someone mentioned before she never liked Tori's albums at first but needed some time to get into them; I experienced this on every single CD I got, especially the first time when I listened to UtP after having seen "Cornflake Girl" on MTV.. oh my gosh, what is this? ;) Now that I'm kind of familiar with FtCH, I haven't got that close to it as I used to towards UtP and LE and even BfP, which was a big step in the Choirgirl direction already, in my eyes, in two main aspects, emotions and music. (so I know I'm not really quick in coming to the point, but this is really important for me and if you're not interested, you've already killed this msg so I'll stop apologizing stupidly..) Emotionally, there's a big change going on; when I heard FtCH, I felt a bit like I had felt some time ago, when I found out how a really close person had changed from girl to adult gaining a lot, but leaving behind a lot just as well- I liked the Tori that posed in a white night dress on UtP and looked like a faerie (knowing of course the ironic undertone in that reading her lyrics and just listening to her) and I think I miss her a bit. She appears differently now and the atmosphere of her songs has changed, too. This doesn't mean I call it bad - it's just.. different. Same happened when I saw her live in Frankfurt some days ago; WOW I loved it. What energy! She started with Black Dove and when the band sat in, it felt so incredible.. same with the following Precious Things at the "girrrl" moment, feeling pure intensity coming from the stage. Still, this evening was far from what I expected, esp. because she talked very little to the audience and I was really looking forward to some "personal attention" from Tori ;) after having read about all the stories she was telling earlier and so on. Music was excellent, performance incredibly professionally, but.. a very special Tori-feeling had gone, don't know if you see what I mean? Musically, things have changed too. I tend to say that the new songs show a certain loss of complexity. I tell you what I mean: Harmonies always used to be complicated and ambivalent, just like the structure of the songs that was often very hard to find out (Marianne, Yes, Anastasia). Many of her songs reminded me of "art songs" (hope this is the right word? :) from romanticism, when people found out playing in C doesn't mean you can only use C, F, G, and am (I hope you guys know what I mean since I lack the English music expressions for this "sticking to familiar chords"). I loved Tori for being too hard for me to just play her by ear without really trying hard. Now I think the songs have a gotten a bit more shallow on that level; structures are verse-bridge-chorus mainly, and chords are often rather simple (she's playing some really exciting "jazzy" stuff like at the beginning of Liquid Diamonds or in Pandora's Aquarium (just *love* that one), but that's not really complexity). So those less complex chords come along with some don't know, sweetness I think. Jackie's Strength for example is one of my favourites, but this one's really sweet.. and notice how few chords she uses. There are of course different reasons for that; first of all, her three band companions can't be on the same musical/creative level as Tori is, even if they were, you probably couldn't have four people share their musical ideas to make up a result comparable to Tori's masterpieces (I got problems describing what I mean even in my mother tongue so don't be upset if this part sounds a little weird). In this context, you might say complexity has moved to a different place, from harmonies etc. to the interaction between the band members, to looking for new sounds etc. I really liked what they did with/to ;) the old songs now played with a band live.. When they played PT, Horses, CG, PGY or Waitress, I really loved the band for being there and providing Tori with sufficient power to express herself; You know the "8 bars of grunge" in PGY, you can't imagine how that moment feels live with her band when you haven't experienced it.. INTENSE is the only word I know... :) (just remembering the shivers that one sent down my spine) Live was also when I found out what she meant about "more joyous"; I must admit I hadn't really felt that on the CD, did you? Springtime and Muhammed e.g. seem to be a lot more "joyous" at least for me than any song on ftCgH..? So I guess I could go on like this forever but I'll stop now, hoping somebody's out there understanding what I mean? Of course it's not my task to "demand" something from Tori or call something good or bad, everything I write is just about my feelings towards it (well, there might be some facts, but nevertheless) and of course IMHO.. And maybe there's someone who will dare a bet on whether Tori's going to create her next CD more on her own again...? ;) Cya Nic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:31:03 -0700 From: ~*jenn*~ Subject: tampa show hi everybody. i just wanted you all to know i just went to ticketmaster.com and tickets for the tampa show are on sale...hurry! get them!! :) - -- ~~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~ "We are all Faeries living underneath a leaf on a lily pad" ~Tori~ ~~*Come Dance in Jenn's Faerie Ring*~ http://fly.to/faeriering ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:38:55 -0700 From: ~*jenn*~ Subject: Re: Umm...I have a question? SweetSaliva {kisskissjoshiepoo!} wrote: > small print on the case or on the cd...and it says *Made in Germany*... umm...i can't find that anywhere..all i have is the stamper thingie on the jewel case that says MADE IN ENGLAND...weird... - -- ~~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~ "We are all Faeries living underneath a leaf on a lily pad" ~Tori~ ~~*Come Dance in Jenn's Faerie Ring*~ http://fly.to/faeriering ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:59:23 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Lyrics/Spark/Pandora's Aquarius At 03:51 PM 6/16/98 -0500, Serra Angel wrote: >Stare, but I can taste you're still alive below the waist Ripples come and ripples go, and ripple back to me... Actually it is ToriSpeak when you read the lyrics: "Stare but I can taste you're still alive below the *waste*" Which makes it a hell of lot more powerful to me. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- *Bethey's Silly Little Page* http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:02:56 -0400 From: Bob Moyer Subject: Rudeness and Grumpiness Reading all of these replies to the "Am I a grumpy old man?" post, I am surprised to see no one standing up to the idea of being vocal during a concert. (Vocal does not include the dreadful overheard "show me your tits." That's simply disgusting.) Here's the deal. It's a rock concert. With a rock star. She calls herself a rock musician, and has often commented on how necessary the power is that she receives from the audience. I stood three people from the front at the DC concert, and it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. We were not listening, we were existing in the music. I loved the other Tori concerts I've been to- both Constitution Hall and WolfTrap...but they weren't the same. It was two hundred people and me and her - and we all felt connected. Sitting and applauding just doesn't accomplish that. I'm NOT going to say all yelling is good- certainly NOT crudities, but I think alot of vocalization is fine. Being a "purist" is fine, but cut the rest of us some slack. I DO want to mention the extreme side of being a purist, and I don't want to pick on anyone. But often I hear people saying "I deserve to be ahead of you in line" or "I deserve this ticket more than you do." Alot of this comes from people who have been Tori fans a long time- myself included. No, we don't. We all started loving Tori and her music at some point- probably the way it made us feel. Let someone else feel that for the first time in their own way before you make judgement calls. Thanks, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:09:23 PDT From: "Dan Lucy" Subject: Tori-Themes Page HI. I went to the tori theme page that has been advertising on this list recently. I suggest that everyone go there. It's totally awesome. Not just because of the themes, but also there are many, many, MANY, audio clips. I suggest listening to the Veronica in Concert TV Interview. It's one of the best I've ever heard, especially the part where she talks about the recording of "Losing My Religion", It's really great. She says that when she recorded it, Michael ( I'm guessing the guy from R.E.M....sorry I don't know that band too well :) was in the studio with her, upon her request, and he sat there crying while she recorded it! Doesn't that just touch your heart? :) Well, It does mine. Needless to say, I had to run up to my room and put my headphones on and listen to that song again, right away. I viewed it totally differently than I had the first time I heard it. I was just picturing the scene in my mind the whole time. Also, If you don't have the "Higher Learning" soundtrack, I suggest you try to find it. It's got two of her best songs on it. Butterfly, and Losing My Religion. Well, I've taken enough of your time ;) Dan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:24:20 -0400 From: Jason Bilsky Subject: Re: Umm...I have a question? > Why does everyone keep saying that there are two UK Spark singles...because > isn't the one with Purple People really a German single...just look at the > small print on the case or on the cd...and it says *Made in Germany*...I > know this question is pretty irrelevant...and isn't really that > important...but I just thought I would ask anyway... Yes, and the other one says "France" on it. Does that mean there are NO UK singles? Where something is made and where it's distributed are different things. - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "I hear people in Boston are so intolerant they don't tolerate other people's intolerance." -Gregory Mcdonald, _Skylar_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:24:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Rudeness and Grumpiness On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Bob Moyer wrote: > > Reading all of these replies to the "Am I a grumpy old man?" post, I am > surprised to see no one standing up to the idea of being vocal during a > concert. (Vocal does not include the dreadful overheard "show me your > tits." That's simply disgusting.) > > Here's the deal. It's a rock concert. With a rock star. Here's the deal. There's a difference between yelling between the songs/stories and yelling during the songs/stories. The fact that Tori is a "rock star" doesn't change that. Yelling to show your enthusiasm between songs is fine. Screaming your head off while Tori is trying to sing or tell a story is obnoxious. The previous posts have complained about the latter, not the former. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:23:27 EDT From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Re: Umm...I have a question? When people say UK single it means the single is released by EastWest, which is located in the UK. It's Tori's UK record company. The CD may have been manufactured in Germany or France or wherever, but it's a UK release because it's on the EastWest label. j'ason ~~ http://members.aol.com/Yessaid/Toriphoria.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:25:22 -0700 From: "Meggie" Subject: 6:58 are you sure where my spark interp is? Precious Things #223--- Kahlan wrote: >>"I remember hearing somewhere that Tori smoked (am I wrong about this?) This can also go along with the "No cigarettes only peeled havans" line, because she always seems to fascinated with cigar smoking.. it kinda a quirky rich power-monger thing for he i believe. Anyway it's very possible the patches were was helped the miscarraige along, as well as pushing herself too hard of course." It's possible that Tori may have smoked in her YKTR years or before, but i doubt it. She seems like she's really into taking care of her voice now, and being a musician her whole life I would be really surprised if she ever tried smoking cigarrettes or cigars, especially around the time of the DDI tour. But I don't know for sure... I still like the several takes on interp.ing the nicotine patches as an addiction to something that is used to cure another addiction. I don't know where it fits in Tori's profession or personal life, but it could be a metaphor for human nature's ironies. Anyways... I never would've thought of the albums in an elemental sense! But what about considering CGH as having reaccuring themes of _fluid_, not just water. I hear differences from molasses to saliva to femine juices (at least that's what Raspberry Swirl brings to my mind) to the amniotic fluid shed during a miscarriage. What does everyone else think? ~~one of the MeghanGirls ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just want a little passion/ to hold me in the dark I know I 've got some magic buried/ deep within my heart/yeah ~~Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And if you think you know what I'm doing wrong I guess you're gonna have to get in line ~~Ani DiFranco ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:38:32 CDT From: Heidi L Weiland Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #223 Hi! I'm heidi and usually a lurker, but i have two extra tickets to the Minneapolis concert at the Northrup auditorioum, and i want them to go to a fellow EWF so i will am only charging ticket price(not the shipping) of 26.00 dollars each row 37 section 2. Pretty good seats, but i can't go that date, as my brother is getting married! Anyway, if anyone is interested, please email me privately! Thanks! HEIDI :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:36:58 -0700 From: "Meggie" Subject: tour info I maybe the only one who thinks strongly about this but I'm going to put in my 2¢ anyways: Micheal Curry: why are you forwarding the ToriTour Info to a discussion mailing list? For one, it's pretty long and takes up lots of space causing the digests to fall behind about a week. And also what if we're not subscribed to that list for a reason? I'm not a sub.er there because I rely on The Dent, RDT fanzine, and tori.com for my info. I'm not trying to flame you or anything, and I can see why you would want to be helpful, but I believe posting this info on a webpage and giving us a link to it when it's updating would serve the list much better. It would give more people a chance to discuss and possibly catch us up a little. Thanks, ~~Meggie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just want a little passion/ to hold me in the dark I know I 've got some magic buried/ deep within my heart/yeah ~~Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And if you think you know what I'm doing wrong I guess you're gonna have to get in line ~~Ani DiFranco ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:55:23 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Rudeness and Grumpiness At 07:02 PM 6/16/98 -0400, Bob Moyer wrote: >Reading all of these replies to the "Am I a grumpy old man?" post, I am >surprised to see no one standing up to the idea of being vocal during a >concert. (Vocal does not include the dreadful overheard "show me your >tits." That's simply disgusting.) >Here's the deal. It's a rock concert. With a rock star. Yeah, and... ? That doesn't excuse some of the horrific behavior that's been exhibited at some of these shows. >She calls herself a rock musician, and has often commented on how >necessary the power is that she receives from the audience. The energy she has repeatedly said she feeds from doesn't have to be the "oh-look-she's-singing-something-dirty" silly shouting that we've all heard. >I stood >three people from the front at the DC concert, and it was one of the >most incredible experiences of my life. We were not listening, we were >existing in the music. I loved the other Tori concerts I've been to- >both Constitution Hall and WolfTrap...but they weren't the same. It was >two hundred people and me and her - and we all felt connected. Sitting >and applauding just doesn't accomplish that. >I'm NOT going to say all yelling is good- certainly NOT crudities, but I >think alot of vocalization is fine. Being a "purist" is fine, but cut >the rest of us some slack. Depends on what you mean here by "vocalization". I have absolutely no issue with cheering or clapping at the end of the song. I -do- have issue with shouting in the middle of songs, screaming out "I love you Tori" or "Myra Ellen!" in pauses, and all the other things we've seen. It's rude to the performer, it's rude to the people around you. >I DO want to mention the extreme side of being a purist, and I don't >want to pick on anyone. But often I hear people saying "I deserve to be >ahead of you in line" or "I deserve this ticket more than you do." Alot >of this comes from people who have been Tori fans a long time- myself >included. I personally haven't said this, and thankfully haven't run into this kind of attitude. I've seen it in the various online Tori forums a few times, but thankfully most of the people seem to be of the opinion that no one's a better Torifan than anyone else here. >No, we don't. We all started loving Tori and her music at some point- >probably the way it made us feel. Let someone else feel that for the >first time in their own way before you make judgement calls. I have no issue in people feeling her music. All I ask is that they respect both Tori and those around them by doing it in a more appropriate manner. It's not necessary to scream during songs. It's not necessary to show off your knowledge of her real name or some of the more obscure b-sides/covers. Saying "oh, but that's how they express it" doesn't make that kind of behavior acceptable or even valid. Some of Tori's songs make me rather angry because of the memories I have attached, but that doesn't mean I can start slugging the snot out of the guy next to me -- that's unacceptable and rude behavior, plain and simple. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:21:20 -0500 From: "Giovanni" Subject: Music Boulevard Hey, I read this on the Music Boulevard website: For a limited time, purchase Tori Amos' "from the choirgirl hotel" and get a FREE book featuring lyrics from her new album. http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/2990641898048756_43_495223 Perhaps someone is interested. Giovanni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:48:41 -0700 From: Mireya Subject: Re: new concert date Katapilla7@aol.com wrote: > > Eugene OR Sept 13 > at the Cuthbert Amphitheater > found this out at the fastixx webpage > I called and they confirm no onsale date > as of yet > hope this makes some peoples day > kat Tori... at the Cuthbert Amphitheater... in Eugene, OR? I can't believe it.... If memory serves, that place is tiny! So much for worrying about seeing her in an arena. I get to see her twice in two days! On the 12th at the Rose Garden, and the 13th at Cuthbert, sitting under the stars. Woohoo. Sorry, just had to share my joy :) Mireya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:27:03 -0700 From: ToriTour Subject: Tampa tix ON SALE NOW / Knoxville venue change Tampa tickets are on sale RIGHT NOW. (This sure snuck up on all of us.) * 8/23 - Tampa, FL ------- University of South Florida Sun Dome Address: 4202 East Fowler Ave. Tampa, Florida 33620 Telephone: (813) 974-3111 (813) 974-3002 (ticket info only, no phone sales) Concert listings: http://www.tboweb.com/ads/sundome/home.htm http://www.tboweb.com/ads/sundome/events.htm (Tori not yet listed) Capacity: 11,324 Tickets on sale now Tickets available at The USF SUN DOME Box Office and all Ticketmaster outlets Also: * 8/15 - Knoxville, TN CHANGE: This show has been moved from the Civic Auditorium to the Thompson-Boling Arena Address: 1600 Stadium Dr, Suite 202 Knoxville TN 37996 Telephone: (423) 974-0953 (box office) Venue info: http://www1.dev-com.com/central/thompson-boling.html Capacity: ??? Tickets on sale June 20th. The above changes will be included in the next full ToriTour listings. Extra special thanks to *jenn* for letting me know about the Tampa on-sale and Dave for the Knoxville venue change. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' To SUBSCRIBE to ToriTour send a message to and include the appropriate command in the message body (to sub to more than one list, please send separate requests): subscribe american tour subscribe euro tour subscribe other tour ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:21:46 -0400 From: "Jennifer Jacobsen" Subject: tori When is Tori going to be on Letterman again? I forgot the date. - -- Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're an astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man." --Jack Handy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:30:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: tour info On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Meggie wrote: > > I maybe the only one who thinks strongly about this but I'm going to put in > my 2¢ anyways: > > Micheal Curry: why are you forwarding the ToriTour Info to a discussion > mailing list? For one, it's pretty long and takes up lots of space > causing the digests to fall behind about a week. And also what if we're > not subscribed to that list for a reason? I'm not a sub.er there because > I rely on The Dent, RDT fanzine, and tori.com for my info. I'm not > trying to flame you or anything, and I can see why you would want to be > helpful, but I believe posting this info on a webpage and giving us a > link to it when it's updating would serve the list much better. It would > give more people a chance to discuss and possibly catch us up a little. I sent it because it's obviously Tori related and I think tour dates are appropriate subject matter for p-t. Since I'm one of the co-owners of the list (and the one doing the moderation) I get to make decisions like that. If you're not interested in the information then you are free to either delete it without reading it or hit your page down key a few times and skip past it (depending on whether you get the loose or digest version of the list). As far as it causing digests to "fall behind about a week"... umm... I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. A high volume of mail will actually result in more than one digest being sent out during a day, so if anything it means some of the material ends up in the mailboxes of digest subscribers even earlier than it otherwise would have. I hope that explains things clearly. Mike precious-things co-owner | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:33:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: HTML/mime and other mail encoding A reminder that posts sent to the list in any form other than plain text will not be sent on to the list. Please check your mail program's setting before trying to post. Thanks, Mike precious-things co-owner | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:00:41 EDT From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: Umm...I have a question? there are TWO UK Spark singles, Part one and two... then there is a US single.... I think there are two german singles too, but they're identical to the UK ones, except they are in thin cases instead of regular ones. TRACK LISTINGS: UK SPARK, part one: spark purple people have yourself a merry little christmas bachelorette UK SPARK, part two: spark do it again cooling US SPARK: spark purple people bachelorette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:08:28 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Rudeness and Grumpiness Has anyone seen the "Putting the Damage On" video boot? The fans are screaming so loud and being so rude that Tori messes up singing..... She has to stop in the middle of the song..... Then she jumps around saying "I'm excited too," but then you know she's kind of pissed with the audience because of some other things she says to them.... I can't remember off the top of my head.... Later in the concert she says that she was sorry for yelling earlier but when everybody's screaming she f*cks up the songs...... Which is totally understandable..... In 1992 when I went to see Tori I sat in the front row and you could hear a pin drop. Then in 1994 and 1996 I have no idea what happened...... Everybody got crazy and rude......I hate it..... At one of the concerts I went to in 1996 I couldn't believe how rude the audience was to the opening act ~ Willy Porter..... They were screaming at him to get off the stage....Yelling Tori's name..... All I have to say is people need to get some manners..... Tori actually told us we were being rude when she came out on stage.... It made me feel really bad even though I wasn't screaming..... I just hope the people at the concerts I'm going to on this tour act more mature.... I don't think Tori likes the excessive screaming as much as some of her fans do... I know people get excited and stuff because hell I'm excited too, but I go to the concerts to hear Tori.....NOT screaming. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents.... Love to the EWF! Grandma Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:08:34 EDT From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: have YOUself a merry little christmas First of all, it just hit me the other day that Tori was covering a great christmas song in the middle of June just to be singing a pretty song, but that she was singing Merry Christmas to her unborn child. Because as all of you know, she lost the baby Dec. 23. 1996... ... Anyway, I was listening to this track tonight and when she says "faithful friends that are near to us, gather near to us, once more" WHen tori sings "ONCE" it is so BJORK-ish it kills me!!!! it comes out much more like wance... or something ANyone's thoughts? Joey TOriBoi@aol.com "thunder wishes it could be snow" ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #224 *************************************