From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #184 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, May 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori mentioning ? [WeirdyBoi ] June Request Mag Article [JiVa DiVa ] I miss Boys for Pele ["Ryan Obermeyer" ] Tori (+band) on cover of "Musician" [the little blue farie ] Re: Beth Gibbons?? [Stephen.Allen@psygnosis.co.uk] Re: New article in SPIN magazine [Fairuza-@webtv.net] sTori ["Ellis, Melanie S" ] Something to discuss-hidden messages [**Molly Marguerite** ] Re: Der Spiegel (mag) / Deutschlandfunk (radio appearance) / Un ["Jorg L] Re: Tori Drops the Ball [Charlie Poole ] sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll [Abbe J Cohen ] Re: Tori Drops the Ball [sabrina ] blessings of a sister... [ToriPyro ] RE: Tori and Religion [Billings@WHAD.com] [none] [Yasmin Lori Ravard ] choirgirl vinyl [Glitergul ] Re: sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll [ToriPyro ] Re: sTori [Phoenix ] Re: I miss Boys for Pele [ToriPyro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:39:37 EDT From: WeirdyBoi Subject: Tori mentioning ? i heard that Tori Amos was mentioned on Oprah today. Does anyone know anything about this? j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:10:48 EDT From: JiVa DiVa Subject: June Request Mag Article Hi all: I can't remember if anyone's posted on the Tori article in Request. If someone has, I apologize. I just wanted to comment on the gorgeous cartoon of Tori and the wonderful article. Positively beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:41:36 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: I miss Boys for Pele I guess I'll be the first and only one to say this but I'm already getting tired of From the Choirgirl Hotel. I miss Boys For Pele. I'm going back. I still love FTCH but is nowhere near as eclectic as BFP. There's something about From the Choirgirl Hotel. It's a movie. Boys for Pele is a novel. You can go places in your head with a novel. However good the places in your head are, determines how good Boys for Pele is for you. With the new album, the story is set. There's not enough margin left for you to travel in.Of course it is still perfection.(that's Tori for you) This is of course, my opinion. But does anyone agree? Ryan Obermeyer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: the little blue farie Subject: Tori (+band) on cover of "Musician" hello . . . i was just at my school library today morning when i came across a new (July 1998, #236) edition of MUSICIAN magazine and tori (along with three presumed band members) are on the cover. there is a somewhat lenghthy article on her inside. i didn't get to finish reading it today but it seemed pretty good (has question/answer parts and stuff). just thoght someone would like to know . . . (and to comment on the lovelife issue, we really should keep out . . . the article says she got married a little while ago). ? Aleksandra ! == "...happy people are all alike, every unhappy person is unhappy in his or her own way..." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:04:00 +0200 From: Thomas Lauritsen Subject: European charts I don't know if anybody have posted this info, so here it goes. Yesterday, on the teletext of MTV Europa, I saw that From The Choirgirl Hotel is number 6 on the UK albumchart, number 9 in Norway and 10 in Ireland. Spark is no longer on the singlechart in tke UK. - - Thomas Lauritsen Copenhagen, Denmark (work) (home) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:43:49 +0000 From: Stephen.Allen@psygnosis.co.uk Subject: Re: Beth Gibbons?? Curve!! No no no no, there is only one band which the swirling, distorted guitars could have come from and that is the amazing band 'My Bloody Valentine'. The pioneers of swirly, distorted guitar effects, and a fine job Tori has done with Raspberry Swirl. Here finest song to date IMHO. Ste. Myralovr on 15/05/98 04:02:53 Please respond to Myralovr To: ldclee@ucdavis.edu, precious-things@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Allen) Subject: Re: Beth Gibbons?? I love old Curve...I agree w/ you somewhat--the swirling, distrotred guitars...a bit in Raspberry Swirl... - --Christine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:51:28 -0400 From: Fairuza-@webtv.net Subject: Re: New article in SPIN magazine The "Spin" article made me enter the hate machine for their comparison of Tori to Fiona Apple. I think both are very talented women, both within the "lyric" and "music". Alas, comparing Tori to Fiona is like comparing Blood to Apples. It just ain't happening. Tori has never been anti-God. She has been anti-patriotism. Which is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Her lyrics shouldn't offend any Christian faction. They are theologically sound, IMO. For any human to be offended by Tori's music/lyrics, one must think that this "person" isn't all too sure of their "own" beliefs. Give me peace, love and a ..... Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:33:21 -0500 From: "Ellis, Melanie S" Subject: sTori What a Downer!!! I was playing FtCGH at work, and a friend, co-worker, AND fellow self-proclaimed toriphile came in to work the next shift. And this is what she said: oh, is this the new Tori? Doesnt it suck? I just hate it. And that song Raspberry Swirl, that is the worst song, god, I cant believe it. And my cousin a DIE-HARD fan, she hates it too." HUH??? HATE it? It you are a fan AT ALL you should know that you need to give the girls a chance!!! Stick it in the player on repeat for a fucking week before you can even begin to pass judgement! An this COUSIN, this DIE-HARD fan--what am I, the proverbial chopped liver????? Appearently so, but god, Tori has evolved so much and I am so proud of her...I just wish eveyone could be as happy as I am about it. Is the new album splitting the fans? Is it the "raspberries" vs. the "coolings" or what??? for the record, I must admit that I cant stand Northern Lad...but am willing to work on it...and Pandora--she souds like shes straight off of Pele... maybe shes the link to it all, the bridge so to speak from Pele to The CGHotel... WHAT DO YOU THINK??? Daisy Melanie lgreen@coredcs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:55:26 +0000 From: **Molly Marguerite** Subject: Something to discuss-hidden messages This was mentioned in the News group but I don't think anyone has brought it up here. A few people have mentioned that if you stare at the lyrics long enough the strange spacing actually makes out words and that is how she thanked the faires. I don't have my CD with me so I haven't been able to put this to the test. What do you think? Anyone else at that concert remember what she said about it? **Molly Marguerite** > Caught the KROQ broadcast this morning from the Palace parking lot. > Very cool of Tori to play a freebie for all of us who were left out of > her LA appearance. She mentioned something about thanking the faeries > on the album. If you stare long enough at some of the lyrics (until > your glassy eyed) you can make out some words. I found CASINO and > something that looks like FAERIES how about anyone else out there? > > "loon without a > flute" > SURGE > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:38:22 EDT From: Leannoth Subject: Out of the Tori Loop. I am certainly the first to admit that this is really going to sound dumb to every single person on this mailing list. But I have just recently realized that my life is WAY too busy and I've been completely clueless on SO much....especially concerning Tori's personal life, you know, things that I should have known forever long ago but, well, obviously I didn't. I have long been a fan of Tori Amos but I haven't really gotten to know that much about her life. What I know of her I know through listening to her music, which is so open and honest that you automatically feel like you know her personally, as a friend. So I never really got into reading magazine articles or anything about her, often because the people writing them are biased and uninformed and create strife where strife does not need to be created. So, for the most part, I've stayed away from them. Which means that most of the information I get is secondhand and not always true. Well, my friend told me something not too long ago that I didn't know if I should believe or not. She told me that last year Tori Amos got married and had a miscarriage. Two very huge things that I knew nothing about. You may laugh now. Well, anyway, stupid as I know it sounds, what I'm asking is that someone please give me the specifics on these incidents. Also I am new to this mailing list (duh), so if there's anything else I need to know will some kind soul please enlighten me so I can be "in the loop" again. Thank you so, so, so kindly. Sorry this was so long. ~~Andréa. Oh, and Mikewhy --- You're welcome!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:10:49 +1 From: "Jorg Litges" Subject: Re: Der Spiegel (mag) / Deutschlandfunk (radio appearance) / Un On 15 May 98 at 0:42, Ruud van Melick wrote: > Deutschlandfunk / Rock et Cetera, may 18th, 22:05 CET > According to dutch music-magazine Oor, Tori is scheduled for a radio > appearance at that date. I think Deutschlandfunk is the name of the > radiostation and Rock et Cetera is one of its shows. > Can anyone give more info or correct inaccuracies (I don't > have the magazine here)? Hi Guys ! Yes Ruud, you're right !! I just checked with Hörzu (German TV mag). Shes on MONDAY 18th May DEUTSCHLANDFUNK at 22:05 - 22:50 CET. Theres even a small b/w Pic of Tori in Hörzus Radioguide !!! You can receive Deutschlandfunk in Europe via the Astra Satellite System on the following Transponders: Analog Ch Freq. Audiofreq. DLF Koeln 3 sat 11.346V 7,38-7,56 ADR (Astra Digital radio) DLF ARD 11.493H 6,30 Digital-TV (D-Box) DLF-Koeln 12.663H (should be in the Radiomenue) Furthermore is DLF in most cablenetworks i think... Have Fun !! Jorg - ----- And If There Is A Way To Find You I Will Find You, But Will You Find Me, If Neil Makes Me A Tree.....TORI AMOS - ------ Visit My Website at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/178/index.htm - ----- - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: Tori Drops the Ball Hi Troy and all, >From what you said I got the idea that you haven't see Tori and the band live yet. If you have and didn't like what you heard then I'm sorry. I saw her in Chicago and I thought their performance what mind-boggling. The girl and her piano haven't left town. They're still together on stage just where I think they'll always be as long as Tori performs. The band just add another sonic dimension to Tori's already prodigious musical creativity and complexity. See them in person, live, even in a huge arena before you walk away. You might possibly be missing a deeply moving experience if you fail to give the band a chance. In Tori, Charlie - -- Tori Amos tour info at: http://php.indiana.edu/~cpoole/toritour.html +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll First, I don't think of any of Tori's music as raunchy; cheap porn is raunchy because that's all there is to it, and it's not treated with maturity, and.. . well, I'm not here to flame about why I don't like porn. Sure, some of Tori's music is about sex--and I often get a kick out of the way she mentions it -not because it's about sex, but because of the lyrical artistry of the way she's talking about it -- or about anything else. I'd have to differ with whoever said "boy you'd best pray that I'd bleed real soon" is a sexy or raunchy line. That line resonates with me, and yes, it's referring to something sexual -- i sure hope I bleed real soon because I don't know what I'm going to do if it turns out I'm pregnant. But it's not there to elicit a laugh or a rapid heartbeat, it's part of a song weaving a longer story which, in my opinion, one of the elements of is a fear of having gotten pregnant while in a relationsip you're realizing you don't even want to be in... sexy? no. You want sexy, try Icicle, or Raspberry Swirl, or Leather.. (although Leather's an complex one too, on that note.) I definitely like the way Tori phrases things when she's talking about sex, or anything else... but I think you have to appreciate the whole story; the way her words say what she wants them to. That's one of the things that hasn't yet hooked me on FTCGH; I'm not sure it's that the lyrics tell less of a story or that they've gotten so obscure that I can't find the story; but I think it's harder to find them under all the musical complexity. In the new sound, the lyrics aren't jumping out and saying "we're important" quite as much as they used to. I noticed on BfP that often the emotions coming from the music didn't match the ones in the lyrics; she'd set an angry song to a playful beat, and so on. I think there's more of that disconnect in FTCGH and I'm not sure what to make of it yet. Sometimes it works -- playboy mommy's got a bouncy jazzy beat that makes me want to dance, yet feels sad and speaks sadly at the same time, and I love it... but I haven't had a chance yet to figure out songs like Hotel or She's Your Cocaine enough to say... anyone have feedback on what's in there lyrcially and how it goes with the musical sounda nd feel? - -abbe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:07:31 +0200 From: sabrina Subject: Re: Tori Drops the Ball At 15:51 14/05/98 -0700, Lissa wrote: >listen. Maybe Tori decided that not as many people as she would like were >listening to her as the girl and the piano and that in order to gain a >wider fan base, she had to make some changes. I don't consider this >selling out at all. I think of it as her moving on and growing musically. I agree with most of what you said, but I'm having trouble with this part. I too, can only wonder about those who would put YKTR and FTCH in the same category. Not to diss the first record too much, but we all have to admit it lacks a certain creativity when it comes to the music, and the lyrics are less personal. The thing is, I highly doubt Tori played with a band to gain a wider audience. She's not the kind of person who'll want to stand on a mountain top and proclaim to the world what she's gone through. Did anyone read the interview from Wall of Sound? "Mute the piano?! You won't believe this, but once I started doing this, it was so liberating. The piano, she's very happy. She's all over this record. But sometimes she only plays for sixteen bars. And that is what excited me. It was about when she plays^×she's not playing because she has to be the whole band. She can really be whoever she wants. And that was exciting. I played very differently because of that." To me, she chose to play with a band, because it's liberating... not only to the piano but to her as well. There comes a time when it gets lonely up there on stage. You can't see the crowd 'cos it's dark, and even though you know the fans are there, it still feels good to have other people on stage with you and jam. It feels good to interact with others and to create one masterpiece after the other on stage... *together* with people. THAT is liberation, and after 3 records and world tours with just her and her piano, she probably yearned to play with others. It doesn't mean she's ignoring the piano. It just means the piano is taking a different role this time, but it's still an important role, and this seems to be something people are forgetting. sabrina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:03:13 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: blessings of a sister... I just thought I'd let all of you lovely people know JUST how my sister saved my life...hee: The man who sings the National Anthem for the NY Rangers, Knicks, and Yankees (John something) is a regular customer and friend of my father (he owns a coffee shop here on Long Island...old-fashioned diner style) says that he has inside connections/privelages, and if there's ever an event in MSG, he can get floor seats, no problem. So my father inquires for Tori...he's like "oh sure, sure...I can get them." Then two weeks go by..."Oh well, you know George (my father), they haven't confirmed if she's playing at MSG or Radio City yet." And he says this to him the 7th...the DAY BEFORE the tori tix go on sale. Then my father doesn't say anything until Monday...I was SO angry. This man turned out to be a complete asshole/bullshit artist. So now I was like "dammit, I'm not going to see tori, and neither will my six other friends who I promised tickets to." Then I was mad... So for two days, I didn't say a WORD to anyone in school...I felt horrible. Then Wednesday nite, my angelic sister (heh, you'll probably never hear me say that again) who's worked at Cablevision for 8 years realizes "hey, Cablevision OWNS Madison Square Garden." She calls a friend of hers in the office, and she says that the next day (which is today, the 14th), they were going to hand out a memo to ALL employees if they are interested in reserving Tori Amos tickets...so my sister got first dibs, but it's in the early 300's...which is FINE b/c there is NO such thing as a bad seat in MSG (the arena). So now, I'm getting 7 tickets to see tori....myself and two of my friends are DEFINITE....my best friend and her sister (who's leaving for college in august) are "probably"s.....and I have an extra two but I have about three people who would want them. I'm so excited now....I can finally breathe! loveintori, Vicki This will be my THIRD tori concert........first was May 15th in 96 at THE PARAMOUNT in MSG....did anyone go to THAT particular concert? And the other was the Irving Plaza show.... P.S. I've learned my lesson....just play it regular from now on...no more with these "inside connections" when it comes to tori...when I finally turn 18 i will be able to sleep out in the streets as much as i want...for now, I'm limited...so I see what I can do =) "there's a sea secret in me" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:15:43 -0500 From: Billings@WHAD.com Subject: RE: Tori and Religion I think that Tori's beliefs can be better described by the term "humanistic" than "atheistic". While my beliefs are quite different from Tori's (and quite different from any describable religion, as my beliefs are my own and not dictated by others), we share the belief that we need to "save" ourselves instead of leaving EVERYTHING in the hands of the "almighty". Though I have rejected most of the strict religious rhetoric that was forced upon me as a youth, this oft-heard phrase still rings true - God helps those who help themselves. D. Eric Billingsley "What have you done with his body?????" - Mrs. Buttle (BRAZIL) - -----Original Message----- From: Mikewhy [mailto:mikewhy@iglou.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 8:44 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Tori and Religion Kinda hate to bring this topic up since it has been discussed over and over, but I thought I would say a few things! Tori is certainly not an atheist. For anyone to say that just because you strongly criticize traditional religion you are an atheist is silly! Tori has always talked about a higher power or force, and there is a strong spirituality that pervades her music and interviews. It is more like Native American spirituality than anything else. Now, one can certainly argue about whether she is a christian or not. It depends on your definition of christianity. She has clearly stated that she does not accept the traditional christian concept that jesus is the son of god send to earth by a god who refused to forgive the human race unless his own son got tortured and killed first. She has said that you can be inspired by a jesus or Alice Walker, but that you have to be your own savior. She has spoken of faeries and spirits, even about the spirit of her unborn child that she miscarried. Her faith in something higher is there, but the interviews make is pretty clear it does not resemble mainstream christianity or any organized religion. But she is FAR from being an atheist. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:52:49 -0700 From: Yasmin Lori Ravard Subject: [none] This is the New SPIN magazine article that we have been talking about: (Pasted from THE DENT) Yasmin Original Sinner: On her poppiest album in years, Tori Amos is still trying to lose her; religion.; By Sarah Vowell; One of the most encouraging moments in recent memory was that week a couple of years ago when; Jesus appeared on the cover of all three of America's news magazines. The fact that God is still a; cover story so late in the millennium is good news indeed, at least from a; rock'n'roll-will-never-die-(or-will-it) perspective. Because once you get rid of God, religion goes; too. And without religion and its rules, what is there to rebel against. Without preachers, there are no; preacher's daughters; no Torah - no Tori.; Tori Amos: Southerner, Pianist, Loser of Religion. More than any singer/songwriter of her; generation, this minister's child carries on the memory of rock's creation myth, that part of the genre; born of Pentecostal passion and slave sadness. You can trace a line from the Holy Ghost shake of; Elvis Presley's hips to the point-blank heresy in Amos's lyrics. She scolds God ("You need a woman; to look after you"), rejects communion for masturbation ("When they say 'take of his body' / I think; I'll take from mine instead"), and calls Lucifer "Father." And for all her excellent covers of Led; Zeppelin or the Stones or even "Smells Like Teen Spirit," it's almost disappointing that this; piano-playing Jerry Leeann hasn't yet recorded "Great Balls of Fire."; Nonbelievers think of losing your religion like it's losing weight. It's not. The loss of faith leaves a; hole behind. You never get rid of spiritual need. For pop music, it's a very useful void. Even when; she's not singing about religion - and on her new album, From the Choirgirl Hotel, she barely does at; all - Amos achieves a kind of ecstatic holiness in song. She's that rare rocker who can build a racket; not out of dissonance but through euphonic intensity.; "I guess you go too far / When pianos try to be guitars," Amos sings in "Northern Lad."; Miraculously, Amos can convince you pianos are better than guitars for minutes at a time, even when; pianos are at their most pianissimo. Despite her punk sense of spite, Amos, who honed her chops; playing piano bars as a teen, often channels the spirit of schmaltz, which is why it took me years (and; facing up to the memories of a decidedly uncool musical past) to like her. Even though my favorite; album from the '70s is Modern Lovers, I admit my favorite album during the '70s was You Light Up; My Life. And what girl won't get the secret Debby Boone shivers from Amos's "Jackie's Strength?"; It's a nice old-fashioned ballad with string accompaniment and would be the perfect wedding song; except for that relevant-though-inappropriate line about "my bridesmaids getting laid."; Maybe the gift of a Christian girlhood is also its chains. Sex has consequence. Which is why Amos's; love songs are always so fraught with danger. Because what's sexier than danger? On From the; Choirgirl Hotel, sex isn't so much a word as a sound, slithering from the murky, trip-hopped-up; "Cruel" to the speaking-in-tongue-kisses funk of "Raspberry Swirl," in which a male suitor is; advised, "If you want inside her / Well, boy, you better make her raspberry swirl." And in this, the; year that's turning into sex addiction's big moment in the sun, who can resist a lurching rocker called; "She's Your Cocaine"? It's got everything you want from Tori: devil references, an angelic bridge; worthy of the choirgirl in the album title, and that Amos trademark orgasmic shrieking that makes; faking it sound like so much fun.; Choirgirl is less overtly political than Amos's previous rails against patriarchal crimes. It's less fey as; well (no harpsichords!), and her vocals don't get whipped so much into that register known as; "upper tiramisu." That the messages are less pointed and the presentation less frilly makes for more; universal appeal. Unless you can figure out what to make of a song like "Spark," which is about the; "ballerinas that have fins," let's think of this as simply a rock record, which means its meaning is; found in noise. You won't find anything nearly as harrowing as the a cappella rape memoir "Me and; a Gun" from Little Earthquakes. You will find yourself engaged in old and favorite habits - dancing; around; singing along; dropping through all the normal, miraculous rock'n'roll escape hatches.; Somebody call Newsweek - this is something to believe in. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:37:03 EDT From: Glitergul Subject: choirgirl vinyl i got the vinyl today! that's all. that made my day. for those of you who are curious about the boston concert, i called ticketbastard today, since i was under the impression that tickets were to go on sale tomorrow. well, matt-the-sales-boy said they don't go on sale until june 6, which kinda makes more sense, because i have not seen any ads for this at all. so...remember june 6. no sell date for the conn. show. love, remi glitergul@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:26:55 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: Re: sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll In a message dated 5/15/98 11:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, abbe@MIT.EDU writes: << anyone have feedback on what's in there lyrcially and how it goes with the musical sound and feel? >> I defnitely agree that the music and lyrics in BFP were, well, making love as you listened to it...they were one, you know? As for this, it's like a passionate arguments...the lyrics and the music...and that is subliminally a comment....personally though, so, i can not speak for anyone else. loveintori, Vicki p.s. I saw that new Madonna video for "Ray of Light"......*smacks head* dear gods, how many times is madonna going to show her nipples to the audience? I love her cd, but I do not like that video ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:40:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Phoenix Subject: Re: sTori > HUH??? HATE it? It you are a fan AT ALL you should know that you need to > give the girls a chance!!! Stick it in the player on repeat for a fucking > week before you can even begin to pass judgement! An this COUSIN, this > DIE-HARD fan--what am I, the proverbial chopped liver????? Appearently so, > but god, Tori has evolved so much and I am so proud of her...I just wish > eveyone could be as happy as I am about it. Ehh...aren't ppl entitled to their own opinions? I'm sure when tori was making FTCH she knew that some of her fans would hate it. It's OK cuz it makes us individuals. Phoenix I'll say it loud here by your grave Those angels can't ever take my place - --Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:15:58 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: Re: I miss Boys for Pele All I can say is that I absolutely miss BFP.....it was a wonderful album, and I would love to journey back to January 23, 1996, when I first got it and I just cried on my bedroom floor....but what's past is past. I've grown feelings for this new album...but I'd prefer a book over a film anyday... loveinBFP, Vicki In a message dated 5/15/98 11:40:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bleepo@hotmail.com writes: << I guess I'll be the first and only one to say this but I'm already getting tired of From the Choirgirl Hotel. I miss Boys For Pele. I'm going back. I still love FTCH but is nowhere near as eclectic as BFP. There's something about From the Choirgirl Hotel. It's a movie. Boys for Pele is a novel. You can go places in your head with a novel. However good the places in your head are, determines how good Boys for Pele is for you. With the new album, the story is set. There's not enough margin left for you to travel in.Of course it is still perfection.(that's Tori for you) This is of course, my opinion. But does anyone agree? Ryan Obermeyer >> ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #184 *************************************