From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #183 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- opener [Phoenix ] Professional Widow [Fairuza-@webtv.net] Beth Gibbons?? ["Sonya Harway" ] Tori and "Spark" [Fairuza-@webtv.net] only 3 postcards... [Cynthia Lawson Jaramillo ] Re: Tori's Name [violet@torithoughts.org] Update on Tori on Jools Holland. ["Mike Gray" ] Tori on Jools Holland. ["Mike Gray" ] Re: Tori's lovelife [Auburn2244 ] Tori Drops the Ball ["Troy D. Cockrell" ] Re: Tori! [Nicola Rawlinson ] After "Spark," then what? ["6:58, are you sure where my Spark is?" ] i still can't believe speed racer is dead [~*jenn*~ ] Re: New article in SPIN magazine [Minako Allen ] TOUR NEWS: Additional Germany date added!!!!! (and maybe Holland?) [sabri] Re: Tori on Arkansas radio [**Molly Marguerite** ] Re: Boys and Girls? Pele and Hotel? [Amy D Hayes ] Re: "when you're only wet..." ["Marisa Mosenthin" ] RE: New article in SPIN magazine [Yasmin Lori Ravard ] Der Spiegel (mag) / Deutschlandfunk (radio appearance) / Unconf ["Ruud v] Re: only 3 postcards... ["Marisa Mosenthin" ] Re: Tori / religion [Phoenix ] Re: Beth Gibbons?? [Lavina Elaine Lee ] Re: Tori Drops the Ball [lissa ] Re: Tori Drops the Ball [allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox)] Re: Beth Gibbons?? [Myralovr ] "Merman" lyrics [Lil3rthqks ] Tori and Religion [Mikewhy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:47:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Phoenix Subject: opener Hrmm...has an opener for the tour been announced yet? Just curious. Sorry for the short post, Phoenix I'll say it loud here by your grave Those angels can't ever take my place - --Tori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:21:11 -0400 From: Fairuza-@webtv.net Subject: Professional Widow Hello all, New to the list and I'm looking for "PW" midi. Can anyone help me out? Thanks ever so, Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:29:09 PDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: Beth Gibbons?? I know we've all noticed the change in Tori's musical style on the new album but did anyone else notice the change in her voice? It's not on the whole album, but especially towards the end of iieee she sounds A LOT like Beth Gibbons from Portishead-- a very rich mellow texture, kind of bluesy. Listen for it at 3:55 into the song to the end. Love, Sonya ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:24:42 -0400 From: Fairuza-@webtv.net Subject: Tori and "Spark" Although this is my favourite track on the LP, second to "Raspberry Swirl", I was curious to know how other list members perceive this track. Of course, this is always subjective and I would love to hear other assessments. Thanks, Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:27:13 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Jaramillo Subject: only 3 postcards... Hello everyone, well, I only have 3 postcards with my UK Spark single. Are there supposed to be 4?? xx C. < Subject: postcards So i got the UK SPark singles and i have 4 postcards ... 2 of them are the exact same picutre i believe. Did anyone else get 4 postcards (2 of the same) instead of 3? Just curious. Tori hugs, Phyllis>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:16:11 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Tori's Name Elisabeth wrote: >1.) I read in a recent e-mail someone saying that Tori's name is pronounced >Aim-iss, well it is actually pronounced Aim-ose. Thank you! Actually, if we go by the way Tori herself pronounces her name, it is neither. Tori introduces herself as [ay' muss]. But why do we care about this so much? Some say poe-tay-toe, some say poe-tah-toe. So what? There are bound to be different pronunciations around the country and the world. Even within our own names, different people pronounce them differently. I know folks do with mine. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:22:11 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Update on Tori on Jools Holland. Hi guys.. Further to my previous post on the subject - my "insider" in the BBC told me the following.. " With regard to 'Later With Jools', the information which I have is that she will not be on tomorrow's show but on the following week's programme, on Friday, 22nd May. That means that she should be in the building next Tuesday for the show's recording. I'll see if I can get into the studio observation gallery when she's on and I'll let you know what she sings. " Makes sense to me! So until then.. Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:50:30 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Tori on Jools Holland. Hi guys... Please don't take this as anything other than the information it is - there's still a good chance that Tori will be on, but this was sent to me by a friend who works for the BBC. =-- >BTW: have you any idea if Tori is due to >appear on "Jools Holland" on Friday? Someone said so, but I haven't heard >anything about it on the mailing list.. I'm not sure about that, but I went past the performers' dressing rooms on Tuesday when the show was being recorded and I don't remember seeing her name on any of the doors. I'll keep a look out for any news on her - -=- Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:45:49 EDT From: Auburn2244 Subject: Re: Tori's lovelife <> The way I see it is that Tori is very open about certain personal things in her life and therefore it is not disrespectful to discuss what she makes public. What she wants private she makes very clear for example when Kurt Loder was asking about Skeeter. Tori made it very apparent that that was personal and she wanted to keep that private. I see no disrespect in discussing what she makes public......but who the hell am I right? Sarah :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:53:45 -0400 From: "Troy D. Cockrell" Subject: Tori Drops the Ball Due to the fact that you all love the new album, I'll make this short and sweet. I've always said that I love Tori's music because of the piano and her just sort of become one. That ever since I saw Tori on the LE tour it's been a girl and her piano thing. So very early in my Tori experience I have said that if Tori ever drops the piano I would not hesitate to drop her. Except for a couple of songs (Black Dove, Jackie's Strength, Northern Lad) the piano has dissappeared or shall I say taken a back seat. I don't think Tori learned from the YKTR days that this "band" thing didn't get it then and it won't get it now. It is such a powerful experience to see Tori live with just the piano or Tori and Caton. It is my hope that this is just a new experience and the girl and a piano will return. New album rating......5 out of 10 Later ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:17:10 -0700 From: Nicola Rawlinson Subject: Re: Tori! Hi, I just wanted to say hello! I`ve been receiving precious things for a couple of weeks now but haven`t submitted anything as i wasn`t sure what to say. So really this is just to say hi and introduce myself and get really excited `cos I`m going to see TORI in 6 DAYS!!!! She`s playing in Liverpool, England on the 20th May, I`ve had my ticket for about 4 months now and i`m just so excited! I love the new album, it took a few listens but everytime i hear it it gets to me more and more, i just think it`s amazing! My favourite songs are Caught A Lite Sneeze and Here. In My Head, I`ve been into tori for about 3 years now, hope to hear from you all soon, Nicci ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:47:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "6:58, are you sure where my Spark is?" Subject: After "Spark," then what? Okay, since "Spark" has been on the air for a good while now, we don't need to ask if it's one of the songs from the album being released as a single, do we? ;) And we know "Jackie's Strength" is going to be the next one. Anything else? I'd venture a guess (I'm not sure if this has been already discussed) that "Raspberry Swirl" will be released as a single as well; on the official www.tori.com website, those three are the songs available in RealAudio format. Nothing else from the album is. I'd like to see "Cruel" or "She's your Cocaine" as singles; I'm curious as to what others might want to see. ;) Screaming in cathedrals, Shanie __sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__ I'm cold and I am shamed, lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed into something real I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn. . . -- "Torn," (covered by) Natalie Imbruglia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:39:11 -0500 (CDT) From: orgiastic rebirth Subject: UTP and FCGH I was just listening to Under the Pink today and noticed some lyrics that really resonated with the new album. In the new album, there's a lyric that says something like, "I guess this cake isn't done," which reminded me immediately of "Baker, Baker." ("Bake me a cake/ Make me a day/ Make me whole again.") Also, in "Bells for her," she says, "Brothers and lovers she and I were," while on "Cruel," there's a line that goes, "Brother, lover, bougenvilia (sp?)" (please excuse my horrible spelling) ok, that's all from me. My favorite song from the album is "Pandora's Aquarium." I listen to that song over and over and over again. I really love how she says, "She dives for shells with her nautical nuns and (thoughts) you thought you'd never tell"...she just barely whispers that first "thoughts." And I love how she says "ripples come ripples go" and the second time she says it "and cripple back to me." peace anita from houston ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:07:17 -0400 From: ~*jenn*~ Subject: i still can't believe speed racer is dead hello everybody!!!! i am usually a lurker, but i have a request to make from everyone..tee..well, at least everyone who wants to reply..i am making a new feature on me webpage (http://www.jacksonville.net/~jenn/tori)and i would like to hear from as many toriphiles and ears with feet as possible..it isn't too original, i'm afraid, but i'd like input all the same...i think i'm going to call it "what tori means to me" and i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone on just that...if you choose to respond, i'll post it on the page with your name and a link to your webbie if you have one. thanks!! :) torihugs and faeriekisses, ~~*jenn*~ - -- ~~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~*:~* We are all Faeries living underneath a leaf on a lily pad.~Tori ~~*Come dance in Jenn's Faerie Ring*~ http://www.jacksonville.net/~jenn/tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:56:46 EDT From: HaughtyGrl Subject: Tori / religion As a spinoff to the religion posts, I am bothered by some peoples' misconceptions of what Tori stands for, as well. One day I was bored and searching the web for Tori things and I came across this page on an atheistic "church" web page. They had quoted the entire "God" song off of UTP and had explained underneath how Tori is an atheist, believes in no "God" at all, and advocates just about anything you can think of. Now, from my listenings and readings about Tori, I think that she is open to learning about new ideas and that she thinks that people should believe what THEY decide to believe in, and should not be spoon-fed their parents' (elders') beliefs. However, I don't think she is necessarily an atheist and I KNOW that she does not condone violence (I mean, she started RAINN, and she wouldn't let one of her songs in Natural Born Killers because she didn't want it associated with violence.). So, yes, I agree with Yasmin. I am religious, myself, and I think that her songs are beautiful and relate to a higher power. She just doesn't want to be put into any one category. She wants to believe what she believes. Okay, I'm done babbling. Really, I am :) - HaughtyGrl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:25:03 -0700 From: Minako Allen Subject: Re: New article in SPIN magazine At 09:37 AM 5/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >It bothered me that SPIN was making Tori to this ANTI-GOD musician. As a >Christian, I have to evaluate why I listen to Tori and what her lyrics >mean to me. I have always regarded songs like God and Father Lucifer and >Icicle and Crucify....etc. as blatant opposition to the INSTITUTION of >religion and Christianity...to twist that to mean that Tori has no >belief in a Divine Power to be respected just gets under my skin Perhaps if you posted a portion of the article that discusses this it would help those of us on the mailing list better understand what SPIN is saying about Tori being "anti-God" that upsets you. It looks to me that you're not as upset about Tori being portrayed as anti-GOD, but rather that SPIN mentions her being against religion as an institution. However, I haven't read the article so I can't really say whether this is true or not. If such is the case, then there really is no reason to be upset. Any Toriphile know that this is exactly how Tori feels when it comes to religion and the institutionalized church. Minako ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:19:17 +0200 From: sabrina Subject: TOUR NEWS: Additional Germany date added!!!!! (and maybe Holland?) I'll try and keep this short and sweet, which will be difficult, since I'm swooping somewhere close to heaven right now. Due to the fact that the Frankfurt show on June 9th was sold out, another date has been added for June 23rd, same time, same venue, same prices. I found out today, when I saw a tour poster with the info, ran off to buy my ticket, and managed to get a front-row seat, but that's only 'cos I'm going there alone this time. Most seats in the middle up til around row 15 are sold out already, so ticket sales probably started yesterday already. An important thing for those going to *sold out* shows in Europe or even the USA. Keep your ears and eyes peeled, because Tori seems to be touring extensively this time 'round, and if your show is sold out and you didn't get tix (or you did, but as a Toriphile you'd die to go again) it's quite likely another date will be added. Especially those going to the *Den Haag* show, which is the only other show that's sold out in Europe... she might be returning there too. The date for June 24 is listed as "TBA" and my bet is, it's going to be the Netherlands. And to those worried about Tori not coming to their city. Calm down. Right now there are nowhere close to 200 shows announced. If she's playing some venues twice, it's a sign she's doing a big tour, not just skimming half the country. good luck! sabrina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:26:58 +0000 From: **Molly Marguerite** Subject: Re: Tori on Arkansas radio No Arkansas isn't known for Tori air-play. When the new stations come on like 107.7 (suposed modern rock) around christmas they played her Little Drummer Boy and I've heard Blue Skies on stations. No Choirgirl stuff yet. I don't expect it either. The stations are staying pretty main stream 101.1 used to play her stuff but they have since changed formats. I haven't heard anything on Magic 105...when she came here in 96 Tommy dogged her pretty bad on the morning show...I try to request songs, but it's a usually a lost cause...when I want Tori I crank up the cd player...when I want good radio stations I crank up the Real Audio on the computer. **Molly Marguerite** stasia halyn wrote: > > Anyone from Arkansas or who picks up an Arkansas radio station: do they > ever play Tori? I rarely listen to the radio, but when I do it's > usually for a couple of hours at a time. And I never hear any of her > songs. Well actually, I take that back. I heard Silent All These Years > on B98.5 back in the summer like once, and also I heard The Dakota > version of Hey Jupiter on Magic105 when the song first came out maybe > once as well. I was just wondering, does anyone ever hear any of the > newer stuff, the Choirgirl stuff? I haven't and I just wondered if they > played it. > stasia > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Amy D Hayes Subject: Re: Boys and Girls? Pele and Hotel? i didn't get the impression that her songs were so much "boys", or that she thought of them as "boys" but that she was talking about sacrificing boys TO Pele... her songs may have been for Pele, but in a honoring-give-me-your-strength kind of way, whereas the boys sacrificed to Pele (i.e. dropped into her volcano) seemed to me to be the point of the title.... and that is really what she does on this album, drops boys into the archetypal Pele-fire pit, but it's her own On Mon, 11 May 1998, PoetGrrl14 wrote: > > Hiya peoples, > I noticed this, while reading the MuchMusic ( > Spotlight: Tori Amos ) > bit on Tori and her albums. > > The last one, Boys for Pele, was music for Pele, the goddess in the > volcano that they sacrificed boys to in ancient Hawaii. Were her songs "boys" > back then? Now, the new album, from the choirgirl hotel, she is referring to > the songs as "girls". They're from the hotel. > > Did she refer to her songs back then as "boys"? Or has she just > started referring to them using gender? It seems that way to me. Maybe, she > referred to them that way in her head, just never said so to the press. Has > she changed her songs so much, they have changed in her head too? Or is it > just an evolution of character for her? Or music? > > I think this could be an interesting discussion, if we can get it > started. > > > Peace, > Manda C. > PoetGrrl14@AOL.com > "We scream in cathedrals, why can't it be beautiful"-Tori Amos > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:38:50 -0400 From: "Marisa Mosenthin" Subject: Re: "when you're only wet..." When I think of Tori's words and what she is trying to get across.....I sit back once again and think my god, what a artist. Not many other musicians that I have heard are able to make so many people (excuse my term) hot and sweaty. They don't make them search for that double meaning in the lyrics like Mrs. Amos can, such as: from Precious Things "...so you can make me cum that doesn't make you Jesus...", from PTM "...Past the mission behind the prison tower Past the mission I once knew a hot girl.....", from Icicle "....when they say "take of his body" I think I'll take from mine instead.....", from BR "...you gave him your blood and warm little diamond..." These are just a few of the songs that I have enjoy listening to exclusively for the sexual induendo that they protray. I relish in the thought that the new album is just loaded with the double meanings and the slight of word that makes all these songs completely Tori. I love feeling "touched" by the words and the voice that carries them. I do believe that she is an incredible sexy and beautiful woman. This decision not only comes from her music, but from her personality also. She has the attitude, when while being married, this is what I have to say and this is how I am going to say it. She is a woman who LoVeS men and has only heard or thought about the relationships between the same sex. It is something that excites me that she would even mention knowing " a hot girl" in PTM. I truly have fallen in love with her music and how my body has responded to the tempos and the words and the hidden, but obvious meanings of her songs. I have found with this album From the Choirgirl Hotel, that it is like a horny teenager. It reeks of sex and sexuality. You taste the planned meetings of sex at the "Hotel" and the "Raspberry Swirl" that she so loving announces that every boy must make. I for one will always love her for opening the door to my own sexuality and the realization that I don't have to be afraid of it. That I can share it with anyone that I deem worthy enough. Marisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:08:16 -0700 From: Yasmin Lori Ravard Subject: RE: New article in SPIN magazine Oh...I agree with a lot of the things she has to say too...That is why I continue to listen to her....But, what I was saying is that I think SPIN interpretation of her religious ideas are false...I don't think that she rejects an idea of a Divine Creator at all.....just the church that her parents "SHOVED DOWN HER THROAT" Yasmin > ---------- > From: a lip gloss boost[SMTP:klutenkampea@post.uwstout.edu] > Reply To: a lip gloss boost > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:17 PM > To: Yasmin Lori Ravard > Cc: precious-things@smoe.org > Subject: Re: New article in SPIN magazine > > > Actually, for myself, the main reason i retreated to tori back in the > day > was because I really agreed with alot of the religious things she had > to > say. It was like coming home to an idea that you needed. very > comforting. > i dont think that it's so anti-god as opposed to wtf is god and where > is > (s)he? My parents tried to raise me catholic and i was "asked to > leave" the > family parrish when i was in 4th grade. I wasn't a bad kid, i just > questioned things that werent supposed to be questioned, excessivly > (and > they thought i was a bad influence on the other kids because i had a > bit of > a potty mouth). This, of course, brought embarrasment to my parents, > but my > mother seemed to sort of understand where i was coming from. And then > in > 1992, when i heard "one more victim" i really liked that, but it > wasn't > until 1994 when UtP came out that I really got on the Tori wagon. I > was > discussing christianity with my friend Todd, and all of a sudden i > quoted > icicle and then many things came crashing onto me. I still feel a bit > lost > that I don't know what *my* god is, but i just think Tori has had alot > to > say something like, its ok to not believe in what the shove down your > fucking throat. and i wont get into what i do believe in, since this > is not > religious chat. however, its uncanny a little for me to go through > my old > journals and compare what tori writes to what i have written > (idea-wise). > especially muhammad my friend. in 1995 i had these fantastic dreams > that i > wrote down and when BfP came out i nearly shit my pants. (: anyways, > i > think that for whatever reason one likes tori is a good reason. she > calls > from all corners and blesses each one of us with our own strength to > make it > in our own lives. > > (: > ally > > ps: she's not our therapist, just a very comfortable friend > > > At 09:37 AM 5/13/98 -0700, you wrote: > > > >The article about Tori in the latest SPIN magazine kind of upset me. > I > >am not sure how others feel about this because no one has commented > >but.... > > > >It bothered me that SPIN was making Tori to this ANTI-GOD musician. > As a > >Christian, I have to evaluate why I listen to Tori and what her > lyrics > >mean to me. I have always regarded songs like God and Father Lucifer > and > >Icicle and Crucify....etc. as blatant opposition to the INSTITUTION > of > >religion and Christianity...to twist that to mean that Tori has no > >belief in a Divine Power to be respected just gets under my skin > because > >I don't think that is true. There is SUCH a sense of beautiful > >sprituality in her songs---now whether she enjoys the bureaucracy of > the > >church...is another story...and there is a lot I agree with. > > > >I don't know...the article just bugged me. Comments? > > > >Yasmin > > > > > ~*~ she's your cocaine ~*~ > ~*~ she's got you shaving your legs ~*~ > http://crono.net/~ally > > ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ > http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:09:02 -0500 (CDT) From: the Mermaid Subject: Re: Tori / religion Tori believes in (a) God, or Goddess, just not the same as everyone else. Heck, she even believes in Jesus (having said once she had a crush on Jesus ... Jesus Christ, John Lennon, what's the difference? ... or something like that); she just believes there needs to be more of the Woman in the Church (which was the whole purpose behind the song 'God' ... not showing atheism(sp)). I'm sure there are a ton of interview transcripts out there that'll back this up. -- The Mermaid (who hates it when people don't do their research [referring to the athiesm page you found, and the last couple of articles on Yahoo). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:42:32 +0100 From: "Ruud van Melick" Subject: Der Spiegel (mag) / Deutschlandfunk (radio appearance) / Unconf There's a 1 page Tori article in the German magazine Der Spiegel (page 228, issue nr. 20 / 1998 may 5th) This magazine should be available in many countries (there are a lot of foreign prices listed on the cover) Deutschlandfunk / Rock et Cetera, may 18th, 22:05 CET According to dutch music-magazine Oor, Tori is scheduled for a radio appearance at that date. I think Deutschlandfunk is the name of the radiostation and Rock et Cetera is one of its shows. Can anyone give more info or correct inaccuracies (I don't have the magazine here)? If there are any 'Walkabouts' fans on this list.... they are scheduled for may 25th on the same station :) The possible extra Dutch concert, mentioned by Sabrina (14 May 1998 17:19) is not (yet) confirmed. I called the Ticketline this evening and they didn't have any info about an extra concert.... I'll try again tomorrow. Regards, - --Ruud -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.stack.nl/~rvm/tori.htm What Language?... No, Dutch A documentary of Tori Amos in the Dutch Press -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:48:52 -0400 From: "Marisa Mosenthin" Subject: Re: only 3 postcards... I have 4 completely different ones with my UK single. I don't know, but I do know that where I bought mine, the cd was not under wraps, so to speak. It was open and you could have just taken the fake postcards if you wanted too. Marisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:59:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Phoenix Subject: Re: Tori / religion > > Tori believes in (a) God, or Goddess, just not the same as > everyone else. Heck, she even believes in Jesus (having said once she had > a crush on Jesus ... Jesus Christ, John Lennon, what's the difference? ... Oh lemme point out for a sec....there is historical (non-biblical)evidence that jesus *did* exist. It's just debatable whether he was the son of God, performed miracles, etc. the difference between jesus and john lennon? oh, bout 2000 years... on Tori's raunchiness: You can date that back to "Silent All These Years" ('boy you'd best pray that I bleed real soon')...it's what I've always loved about her!! Phoenix <--------any more questions? I'll say it loud here by your grave Those angels can't ever take my place - --Tori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:45:19 -0700 From: Lavina Elaine Lee Subject: Re: Beth Gibbons?? I can see why you'd say that...but Beth Gibbons is VERY different. Like apples and oranges. Tori is very sonorous. Beth is...well...she's Beth Gibbons. Actually, I noticed that Tori's new sound, not her voice, but the music in general, sounds a lot like old Curve albums. Has anyone ever heard of Curve?? Lavina At 08:29 AM 5/14/98 PDT, Sonya Harway wrote: > >I know we've all noticed the change in Tori's musical style >on the new album but did anyone else notice the change in >her voice? It's not on the whole album, but especially >towards the end of iieee she sounds A LOT like Beth Gibbons >from Portishead-- a very rich mellow texture, kind of bluesy. >Listen for it at 3:55 into the song to the end. > Love, Sonya > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:51:13 -0700 From: lissa Subject: Re: Tori Drops the Ball << Tori learned from the YKTR days that this "band" thing didn't get it then and it won't get it now. >> I think there are a lot of differences between what Tori did in YKTR and what she's doing with a band now. One huge example that comes to mind is the fact that in YKTR, Tori wasn't being true to herself at all. Now with the band, she's being very true to herself. She's still creating *her* music, but she's just decided that she wants to play with other musicians and express her music with other instruments. Also, when you're an artist, expressing yourself to as many people as possible can sometimes be important. You want to get your ideas and art out to anyone who will listen. Maybe Tori decided that not as many people as she would like were listening to her as the girl and the piano and that in order to gain a wider fan base, she had to make some changes. I don't consider this selling out at all. I think of it as her moving on and growing musically. And I figure as long as she's happy, then who are we to judge what she's doing? I think a lot of fans are putting on the new cd for the first time with a really closed mind. They're thinking it's going to be another BFP or whatever and when it turns out to not be exactly like old Tori, then they immeadiately think, "I hate this. I hate the band. I want just her and the piano back." I'm not trying to flame anybody. All I was trying to get across with this is that it's still *Tori*, you just have to let your tastes for her expand a little. I think if you give this new stuff a chance, it can be wonderful. And like Danica says, it's good to clean to. :) Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:56:24 -0600 From: allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox) Subject: Re: Tori Drops the Ball Hi all- I've been lurking a bit of late. Kinda busy, what with running a campaign and all, but this one just HAS TO HAVE a response: "Troy D. Cockrell" writes: > So very early in my Tori experience I have said that if Tori >ever drops the piano >I would not hesitate to drop her. Except for a couple of songs (Black >Dove, Jackie's Strength, >Northern Lad) the piano has dissappeared or shall I say taken a back >seat. Tori's piano has, perhaps, taken a back seat, but the music is the same as it ever has been. If you listen to the lyrics, you'll see that her music in FtCGH is just as meaningful, disturbed (that's not a criticism; I like that in Tori), and honest as LE, UtP or BfP were. The music has changed slightly, yes, but NOT the purpose and meaning of it. > I don't think >Tori learned from the YKTR days Fans of LE, UtP and BfP will certainly disagree with you there... >that this "band" thing didn't get it >then and it won't get it >now. As far as I am concerned, YKTR didn't work because of the KINDA album it was. By her own admission, it was a compromised attempt at ToriMusic. Much of it was what she thought people wanted to hear and then rest, what Atlantic thought people wanted her. A failed assumption from the start...(IMHO, of course; Some of you might love the album and I must admit, it does have some allure...not much, but some). It is such a powerful experience to see Tori live with just the >piano or Tori and Caton. Thing is, as she's already explained, she's milked that as much as she felt comfortable doing. No, she'll never abandon that kinda music, but, well, I see it as her attempt to move on. More power to 'er (and more pleasure to us! I personally LOVE this one). >New album rating......5 out of 10 Easily a 9, maybe 9 1/2. 'Course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. Warren "I'm ok, if you get me a good angle. You're ok, in the right sorta light." -Ani _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:02:53 EDT From: Myralovr Subject: Re: Beth Gibbons?? I love old Curve...I agree w/ you somewhat--the swirling, distrotred guitars...a bit in Raspberry Swirl... - --Christine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:14:55 EDT From: Lil3rthqks Subject: "Merman" lyrics Can someone please be a dear and let me know where I can find the lyrics to "Merman"? Thank you so much! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:43:53 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Tori and Religion Kinda hate to bring this topic up since it has been discussed over and over, but I thought I would say a few things! Tori is certainly not an atheist. For anyone to say that just because you strongly criticize traditional religion you are an atheist is silly! Tori has always talked about a higher power or force, and there is a strong spirituality that pervades her music and interviews. It is more like Native American spirituality than anything else. Now, one can certainly argue about whether she is a christian or not. It depends on your definition of christianity. She has clearly stated that she does not accept the traditional christian concept that jesus is the son of god send to earth by a god who refused to forgive the human race unless his own son got tortured and killed first. She has said that you can be inspired by a jesus or Alice Walker, but that you have to be your own savior. She has spoken of faeries and spirits, even about the spirit of her unborn child that she miscarried. Her faith in something higher is there, but the interviews make is pretty clear it does not resemble mainstream christianity or any organized religion. But she is FAR from being an atheist. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #183 *************************************