From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #176 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, May 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori on Modern Rock Live [JupiterCMS ] Modern Rock Live in Los Angeles [Deborah Nazarian ] Tori.com [Mac456789 ] 1998 Plugged in LA [Zebrawink ] Re: "Tori.com" down? [Beth Coulter ] i'm confused [a lip gloss boost ] I know why [a lip gloss boost ] Hotel [~*butterfly*angel*~ ] Re: Eric??? [Fireheart ] Fwd: Tori on CNN ShowBiz This Week [Kenneth Peterson ] my tickets [a lip gloss boost ] Blue Dress [rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.)] Re: Eric??? ["Sonya Harway" ] you've got to know when it's time to turn the page... [ToriPyro ] Thoughts ["Giovanni" ] Re: [selling] my soul to the ice cream assassin ["Sonya Harway" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:12:44 EDT From: JupiterCMS Subject: Tori on Modern Rock Live I just heard that Tori will be on Modern Rock Live (it a radio show for those who dont know) @ 10:30 pm (eastern) this Sunday May 10th.... peace out~ catherine =) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:49:16 -0700 From: Deborah Nazarian Subject: Modern Rock Live in Los Angeles hi, i just wanted to let any EwF in the Los Angeles area know that the station Y107 (107.1 FM) said they would be airing Modern Rock Live Sunday night (May 10) at 7:30 pm and Tori will be the featured guest. ~~debbie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:53:37 -0500 From: by the woods Subject: Re: thoughts on Choirgirl >I don't know about the blue dress yet. > the first thing i thought about the blue dress was the dress she wore in the video for silent all these years.. maybe that can be incorporated in there somewhere.. love ana a lilac mess in your prom dress i guess i'm an underwater thing http://www.overlap.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:48:03 EDT From: Mac456789 Subject: Tori.com Hi, I was wondering, does anyone know whether any answers to the emails have been posted on www.tori.com? I usually check each time I visit tori.com, but I haven't seen anything. On the Dent, however, there is a little blurb on how responsed are posted every day. Hmm..I dunno! Thanks. s. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 03:43:56 EDT From: Zebrawink Subject: 1998 Plugged in LA I know some of you have already gotten this post from me but I didn't get any answers so I thought I would try again and to a bigger group of people. I really really would love to have a tape of the LA preview show on 5/6/98. If anyone has a tape of this i don't really have anything to trade but i am willing to pay money in addition to tape and mailing. Please Please email me if you have a tape or know where i can get one kellie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 14:38:39 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: "Tori.com" down? I've had no problem getting it up today. er, am I the only one who can count on my browser crashing when exiting tori.com??? Or is this like a syptom of the site? At 04:41 PM 5/9/98 +0100, Mike Gray wrote: > >Hi guys.. > >It appears that http://www.tori.com is down. I just get an advert for >"Emerald Solutions" - anyone know what's going on with that? > >Cheers > >Mike > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:49:42 -0500 From: a lip gloss boost Subject: i'm confused Ok, I'm confused, is Tori's summer tour going to be Plugged? I only thought it was going to be her and Caton. On the tickets it only says "Tori Amos" no "Plugged 98" like the other ones do... Because if she isn't doing "Plugged" they wont sell the Raspberry Swirl Girl necklaces anymore, right? I mean, hm, anywho. If anyone has info, please let me know! (: ally ~*~ why can't my ba.ll.oo.n stay up ~*~ ~*~ in a perfectly windy sky ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 21:54:23 -0500 From: a lip gloss boost Subject: I know why In responce to whoever wrote about not many people going to get tori tickets, well, I think I might know why. When I talked to my sister today, she informed me that many of her friends didn't get tori tickets in minneapolis due to the fact that the Smashing Pumpkins are giving a FREE concert that same day to promote their new album. I don't know if this is a direct cause, but its a worthwhile answer to who ever posted about the FRONT ROW MINNEAPOLIS TIX (btw, i am so jel :P). (: ally ~*~ why can't my ba.ll.oo.n stay up ~*~ ~*~ in a perfectly windy sky ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:18:58 From: ~*butterfly*angel*~ Subject: Hotel Okay....this is just my opinion on Hotel.. with the line: 'Kings Soloman's Mines, Exit 75, I'm still alive, I'm still alive" Do any of you think that maybe this has to do with the rape again and instead of sticking with singing Me and A Gun, that she'd come out with a new modernized version? I mean, the song does feel like it goes through a variety of emotions and it clearly states in the beginnning that she 'met 'em in a hotel'...which makes sense as meeting him for the very first time and perhaps she got raped and then at the end she's thankful to be alive? Like I said, this is just my opinion on it, so if any of you know the real interpretation, then I'm sorry.... peace and love, Lyn ********************** where are the velvets? ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Fireheart Subject: Re: Eric??? Like I said, it may not be true, that was just my interpretation from various articles. Carrie-Ellen Batcheller HPs \||/ UNH Babcock Hall Box 2110 | @___oo Durham NH 03824 /\ /\ / (__,,,,| ) /^\) ^\/ _) web pages: ) /^\/ _) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 ) _ / / _) Lifestories: /9523/lifestories.html /\ )/\/ || | )_) Tori Amos trade list: /9523/tori.html < > |(,,) )__) || / \)___)\ "Poor little Earth she tried so hard | \____( )___) )___ to change our ways, sometimes she \______(_______;;; __;;; must get sick of this place" --"Floating City", Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Peterson Subject: Fwd: Tori on CNN ShowBiz This Week - ---Miguel Antonio Gonzalez wrote: > > > The Tori appearance on CNN ShowBiz Today was repeated on their weekend > wrap-up show CNN ShowBiz This Week at 10:40 AM ESTthis morning. This > means it WILL BE REPEATED ONE MORE TIME in about16 hours or so at 3:20 > AM EST (the show normally repeats at 3:00 AM EST). So anyone who cares > to stay up has one more chance to see it. > > Mike > speedygo@mindspring.com > Anyone notice that in the credits they called the video SPARKS.. instead of SPARK?? Ken === "Friends, companions, lovers are those who treat us in terms of our unlimited worth to ourselves. The are closest to us who best understand what life means to us, who feel for us as we feel for ourselves, who are bound to us in triumph and disaster, who break the spell of our loneliness." - ------Henry Meyers *********************************************** "...I've forgotten how to dream my own dream.." - ----Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:19:28 -0500 From: forsythia_in_the_spam@juno.com (Dust A Bunny) Subject: for the girl who couldn't choose between the shower and the bath, but turns the page Hello my Senoritas and Senoirs, Well dearies, I am probably late on this thread since it has been days and days since I've checked my email, but anyway. TO THE PERSON WHO SAID "NORTHERN LAD" IS THE LATTER PART OF "HEY JUPTER": I could not agree more. That is what I thought when I first listened to the song. Notice how it is also song number 9? And she does those gorgeous vocalizations in both songs. And both songs deal with a screwy relationship. I am obssessed with "Northern Lad" right now. Wo weee. I went to Blockbuster with my friends and they were playing Tori. I think the whole new "From the Choirgirl Hotel" because they were playing "iieee" and "Liquid Diamonds." I was freaking out and my Tori-hating friends told me to shut the fuck up. I had Tori in my lunchbox at the time, for I was hoping to force them to listen to Tori at one of their houses, but Blockbuster fixed that for me. I am making a Tori tape for my Sign Language teacher. Kinda like her baby shower gift. Wonder if she will actually appreciate it. . . All right that is a l really have to say. Take care. Bi bi. Me, the Flea _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 02:36:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Fireheart Subject: KROQ and 1998 shows I've tried twice and so far no replies so I'll try again. Is there _anyone_ who has the KROQ Breakfast with Tori on audio? I have a huge list (URL below) and am willing to trade anything for it. I have two 1998 shows, NYC and Fort Lauderdale (excellent quality). I am also looking for the broadcast of Modern Rock Live Sunday May 10th if anyone will be taping it. Also, any 1998 shows would be appreciated. Anyone wanna trade??? Carrie-Ellen Batcheller HPs \||/ UNH Babcock Hall Box 2110 | @___oo Durham NH 03824 /\ /\ / (__,,,,| ) /^\) ^\/ _) web pages: ) /^\/ _) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 ) _ / / _) Lifestories: /9523/lifestories.html /\ )/\/ || | )_) Tori Amos trade list: /9523/tori.html < > |(,,) )__) || / \)___)\ "Poor little Earth she tried so hard | \____( )___) )___ to change our ways, sometimes she \______(_______;;; __;;; must get sick of this place" --"Floating City", Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:44:15 -0500 From: a lip gloss boost Subject: my tickets hi, this is my silly ticket buying experience, if you don't want to read it, you don't have to! (: So, we got to Eau Claire, WI at 7am, waiting in the car for 2 hours. Fun. No one was there until around 9am anyways. We were told to wait outside and then we got our raffle tickets - there was about 15 other people there - of course I was last in line, dumb raffle tickets. I met the "real-life" Cartman. Hehe, it was something else, thats for sure. I've always gotten my tickets in the cities and never waiting in line before they went on sale, so I had never done the hardcore Tori tix thing before. (I've seen her alot, but I either had gotten my tix from others or gotten them later the day they had gone on sale.) I'm pretty disappointed (Daytons is a HEAP) with my tickets - I got section 1, row 32, seats 1 & 2 - i've never had that bad of seats before. (Unless you count the balcony and I was first row for that.) So, I'm kinda pissy, especially that neat guy who got first row. What a piece! (: Anyways, my friends were supposed to call New York and get Chicago tickets today. I'm crossing my fingers we got good seats!!! Since we had to wait outside I got a tan on my vampiric skin - yikes! (: ally ~*~ why can't my ba.ll.oo.n stay up ~*~ ~*~ in a perfectly windy sky ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:22:24 -0400 From: rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.) Subject: Blue Dress Beth said "I don't know about the blue dress yet." I thought it possibly was her wedding dress, which was ice blue. But I'm not sure if she would've known what dress she was wearing at that point (though she's said she knew she was getting married - see Jackie's Strength...) I've been tossing around Jackie's Strength in my head and I've come up with two interpretations for two lines, and where else can I just randomly state them but here? "I mooned him once on Donna's box..." I decided this means Tori drew a naked ass on Donna's david cassidy lunchbox. Literal? yeah...but it makes me laugh... "my bridesmaids getting laid" I decided (hee hee - all I mean is that this means this to *me* and perhaps to nobody else, not even Tori...) she is referring to her friends when she was 21 (she may not even be friends with them anymore) that she assumed would be her bridesmaids (became her bridesmaids?) and that they were getting laid while she was waiting to see what was going to happen to her, and she wasn't sure if she'd ever get married and...well, I don't know... The more I listen to this album, the more I warm up to it. At first I couldn't *connect* to it very well (my connection to LE and BFP were immediate and intense) even though I loved it and I can't stop listening. But the more I listen, the more I burrow deep into the music and the lyrics and feel quite comfortable having a cup of tea or a bottle of vodka with the girls. marlantigone (ockle@hotmail.com actually) - --- http://www.KrebStar.com Your New Favorite Band _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:44:56 PDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: Re: Eric??? On a similar note, does anyone know what single 'Song for Eric' is on? It's in my BeeSides book, but I can't find it in any discography or anything. If you have info, let me know please! -Sonya >From owner-precious-things@smoe.org Sat May 9 00:43:12 1998 >Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) > by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) > id 0yY3xx-0005uF-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:22:41 -0400 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id DAA25519; > Sat, 9 May 1998 03:07:41 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 9 May 1998 03:07:31 - -0400 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id DAA25265 > for precious-things-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:50 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from dillinger.io.com (mcurry@dillinger.io.com [199.170.88.11]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id DAA25261 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 03:01:43 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from mcurry@localhost) > by dillinger.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA29801 > for precious-things@smoe.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:58:56 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id BAA24334 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:53:56 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Auburn2244@aol.com > by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FQLHa15187 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:50:09 -0400 (EDT) >From: Auburn2244 >Message-ID: <87d0c51.3553ee92@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:50:09 EDT >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Eric??? >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 >Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org >Reply-To: Auburn2244 >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk > > >It is obvious that Tori was affected greatly by her breakup with Eric and it >just seems to me that alot of this new album is her way of gaining closure. >Does anyone know if Tori has ever talked about why they broke up? It's >apparent that it was a very serious relationship and I'm just curious if she >ever said why they broke up. I know that it's none of our business so don't >e-mail me and tell me I'm nosey cause she's so open about so many things I >wondered if she ever opened up about Eric. Okay well I've said enough! :) > >Sarah :) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:30:38 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: you've got to know when it's time to turn the page... i had written my review early this morning, and i've been giving a lot of thought to what i said. I had this long conversation with a close friend of mine who is also a toriphile...she got the album about two days ago. I think I know why I was so reluctant to open up to this album. Not only do these albums represent Tori, but I think the reason why we love her so much is because they represent ourselves. I have had the Cornflake girl single for almost two years now, and it was only Thursday morning, at 6am, that I realized what that song meant to me. I never cared for it much really...I just thought of it as one of Tori's "little ditties." Now, it totally rips me apart. I really don't write those full-scale interpretations of Tori's songs for others to read because they apply personally to myself and they usually make sense to ONLY myself...so I save people the agony. I think I was scared of this album because of what happened today. I got that "tingle" in my heart when I was listening to Northern Lad...first when she said "he don't come much these days, it gets so fvcking cold" and then when she says "and i feel the west in you"...for the first time, the album began to crack that coating I had placed around myself. I was subconciously/conciously protecting myself from this album...because I never realized until later today JUST how emotional it is. Then came Pandora's Aquarium...."ripples come and ripples go and ripple back to me"...so now, I'm here with Northern Lad on repeat and I'm slowly beginning to see the conception of a great love for this album. I received a response from Richard Handal about my first review, and it made me think about how I had gone around with my friend saying how we miss the girl with the piano...we want her back. But then I thought about how tori has repeatedly been stating about how she dragged the girl and the piano thing to the limit. As much as I would want the Nation-o-Tori to remain just trees, valleys, and mountains...I suppose there has to be a hotel or a factory somewhere. Maybe she wanted this. I am not the only one who has written a review like that, and probably because we're not very used to this side of tori...or this side of ourselves (i'm speaking personally though here). I've drawn the conclusion that this new album reaches into a door of myself that I've been too reluctant to open. It's not the key to the door, becuase mine contain no locks, but it's more like a strong arm that is forcing me to open it...and I *am* scared. So, I do realize where I was coming from, and all of this came to me when I stopped TRYING to get something out of it....it's like when you have writer's block and you FORCE yourself to write a poem...you go nuts and you end up with a paper with something below your potential written on it...well, that's what happens for me when I attempt to write a poem and I suffer from the big "WB." So, I can finally see where my review and feelings were coming from. To all on (and not on) this list, I appreciate your comments that you sent to me...it helped greatly in interpreting my emotions on this new album. loveintori, Vicki "girl's you've got to know when it's time to turn the page" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: Eric??? On Sat, 9 May 1998, Fireheart wrote: > My take on it is that the new album is definitely the "miscarriage album", > I think Boys for Pele was her way of gaining closure with her relationship > with Eric--especially "Jupiter" and "Putting the Damage On". >From what Tori herself has said in print this is correct. > My > understanding was that Eric found someone else while Tori was away > touring. Apparently they had both wanted to settle down at one point, and > Tori very much wanted to have a child with Eric, which is another reason > why the miscarriage was so painful to her (even though Eric wasn't the > father). I guess Eric wanted someone who had more time for him, Tori is a > very busy women. May I ask where you got this information? I was under the impression that Eric was beside Tori every moment including the UtP tour. Tori said in some interview that Eric "always had the red light on," meaning that he was constantly recording everything she did; even when she was just playing around. > Its no wonder that she now has a husband who tours with > her, that's prpbably a very convenient relationship. I get the sense that > Tori is in love, but also still deeply loves Eric in a very sacred way. I > mean, Eric was the man who helped her deal with the rape, he was with her > at a very vunerable point in her life. I think though, that he helped her > grow as a person and that meant also that she grew away from him. > Growing apart from Eric though also showed that she was independednt > enough to grow away from someone she was emotionally dependent upon. Eric did help her to deal with her attack but I don't remember her saying anything about growing "away" from him. Somewhere I thought I read Tori had said just the opposite; that they had grown so close that they had lost track of where one began and the other stopped. When they split they were still very much in love but the relationship was smothering their individuality. They chose to find their own paths again, but separately. > Wow, deep stuff. This all comes from being a Counseling major. Just my > take, I'm not saying any of this is true. Only Tori knows how Tori feels. That's for sure. Only she knows. This is a lot like deciphering lyrics. The best we have is what Tori has to say about her work. The same with her life. Plus I'm dealing with my faulty memory rather than having fact in front of me. Richard, can you shed some light here? In Tori, Charlie - -- Tori Amos tour info at: http://php.indiana.edu/~cpoole/toritour.html +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:47:01 -0500 From: "Giovanni" Subject: Thoughts Hey everyone, So I've been reading all those messages form people saying that Tori's magic has 'faded' on the new album. First of all, I have not had a chance to listen to the album simply because it hasnot/will not be released in my country so I have to wait until a beautiful (not to mention lucky) soul gifts me with it, or until any of the import stores around here bring it to me, in say, --2 months--. Oh well. Sometimes life's not fair. I have to admit that the song that got me into Tori was "Caught A Lite Sneeze". But when I went to buy "Boys For Pele" I was so completely grossed out by the artwork and the 'lucifer' thing, among other stuff that my mind tried to convince itself that I neither needed or wanted anything from that woman named Tori Amos. But ya know, after having heard CALS, Talula and Hey Jupiter (video 'Dakota' edit) I really couldn't help to not stop thinking about the woman. I found myself singing 'Hey Jupiter' all the time. Parents just do not know what religious fanatism and all that scare-your-kids-with-extreme-religious-babblering thing does. It hurt. To this day I believe no one has ever hurt me more than that did. I was so fucking scared of the thought of my mother finding my soon-to-be BfP CD and call me satanic. It bit my brains. I was a lot sillier a year ago. It took me --believe it or not- like 5 months or so of struggling with my own mind, fears and beliefs to finally go to the record store and get the CD. I remember convincing myself to buy the CD no matter what, and when I was there some stupid thing inside myself refused to do it. I went like 5 or 6 times to the CD shop telling myself 'this time nothing will stop, this time I'll buy it'. I even told myself 'it's not really because of the weird stuff, it's because I just don't like the music'. Bullshit. I really did love the music. But well, I finally did buy it. That was like in April/97. It grew into me... the songs. But it wasn't like my life had turned upside down because of the album. I had this friend I used to chat with and she convinced me of buying "Little Earthquakes". And I did. And that was all... I was lost. I absolutely loved it. It took me just a first listen to "Crucify" to know that I had to buy it right away. It was the album who really got me into Tori. Then I knew I had to buy "Under The Pink", which I did about a month after getting LE. At first, I wasn't so thrilled about it. When I went to the record store and sat there and listened to it I wasn't completely hooked. But I knew I had to get it because I knew that I would love it sooner or later... but mostly because I had promised myself to buy it after loving LE. And I bought it. But I didn't really care for it for around 2 months. The 'fear' of Tori's 'weirdness' (silly and stupid, I know, but don't draw harsh conclusions from this, I was going through an extremely sensitive period, I even had anorexia) came back to haunt me. I almost decided to break all my CDs and throw them out my window after having an incident with a very mean wiccan-Toriphile on the now-history Precious Things website that after insulting me and basically saying catholic people cannot like Tori, gave me every reason to think Tori was a crazy satanic bitch. Now that hurt me even more. But I kept myself from selling, breaking, or even burning my Tori CDs. I didn't go that far; I totally erased the word 'lucifer' from my BfP booklet and even the CD itself. And now because of that my CD skips in a horrible manner on CALS and a bit on Muhammad My Friend. God punished me or something. But then I was out of school for summer vacation and I decided I would take all my Tori CDs with me. And that was it. I was 'back on track'. "Under The Pink" became my summer 'soundtrack'. I couldn't stop listening to it. Over and over again. I still can't. But it touched me in a way only a few CDs have. Certainly all of Tori's. "Pretty Good Year", "God", "The Waitress", "Cornflake Girl", "Yes, Anastasia", "Bells For Her" and all the others were just stuck in my head forever. By then, every fear I had ever had was totally gone and Tori was there to stay. "Under The Pink" was my favorite CD for a few months and I pretty much forgot about LE and BfP. I now try to listen to them all equally... depending on my mood. LE had been there since the beggining but I may overplayed it a bit. Under The Pink dominated for about 5 months. I love it. I couldn't get enough of it. BfP grew a lot on me! Now I found myself singing every single song on it. Not The Red Baron was my favorite song for a while, and I still love it dearly. I attached myself to most if not all of the songs. I consider it a masterpiece now. UtP will always be there. I have gotten especially attached to "Tear In Your Hand" lately. I have always liked it but now I can't get it off my mind. So basically now I'm listening to LE, UtP, and BfP more uniformly. I had to do a lot of discovering. Now I can safely say that every Tori song is my favorite. And now I have more Tori CDs... some singles. But of course, there was also a period where I didn't listen to Tori. I still thought she was my favorite but I didn't listen to her songs. It was pretty short though, and it was caused mainly because I had become interested in other artists as well. This has happened to me with all of my favorite artists, not only with Tori. It happened with Madonna and George Michael too. It has not had a chance to happen with one of my current obssesions, Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks, simply because I'm still learning on them. But it will happen someday, even if I can't picture it right now. So... I think the point of my email is that you really shouldn't say you are dissapointed on the new Tori stuff because well, you'll later find that 'you don't, you don't really mean it'. It happened to me with UtP and BfP. But I can't see myself living without them now. I now have to get ftcgh. God knows how. If I had a credit card I would use it. Giovanni Cornflake City http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html "I'm not nice music for your apartment" - -Tori Amos PS. And to those of you who are complaining because now Tori is playing larger venues, think yourself as lucky, there are some of us who will never get to see her live. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:37:36 PDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: Re: [selling] my soul to the ice cream assassin In response to ToriPyro@aol.com-- I don't know where I read this quote, but somewhere along the lines of making FtCGH, Tori said something like "I'm growing and changing; I have an actual band-- the girl with the piano cliche is dead" and it upset me so much. I am a girl with the piano, and I've also played with a band before, and working solo is so rewarding: there is no compromising. There is no disagreement about who gets a solo where. There is no debate about who gets the most recognition. I have been a die-hard Tori fan since Crucify BECAUSE she was the girl with a piano. There was this article in the Washington Post after she played at the 9:30 Club in DC and I will never forget the caption under her picture: "Exploring but not compromising" and I don't know what to think. I love the new album, don't get me wrong, but it's just not the same stuff I've been listening to the last 6 years. And when I listened to FtCGH for the first time, and I heard the guitar intros or synth/amp or whatever, it kind of upset me. I was playing from the BeeSides book the other day and thinking that she always has eight or sixteen or some measures of piano intro at the beginning (I just noticed that b/c sometimes I don't). Most of the songs on the new album start out with something else-- you don't even hear the piano sometimes. HOWEVER, at the beginning of Black Dove Pandora's Aquarium, Northern Lad, and Black Dove, it's just the good old girl with the piano and I love it. -Sonya >From owner-precious-things@smoe.org Sat May 9 10:05:52 1998 >Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) > by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) > id 0yYD4G-0000Se-00; Sat, 9 May 1998 13:05:48 -0400 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id MAA01371; > Sat, 9 May 1998 12:55:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 9 May 1998 12:53:39 - -0400 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id MAA00809 > for precious-things-outgoing; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from dillinger.io.com (mcurry@dillinger.io.com [199.170.88.11]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id MAA00805 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from mcurry@localhost) > by dillinger.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA05901 > for precious-things@smoe.org; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:38:33 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id MAA00322 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:09:55 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from ToriPyro@aol.com > by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FEQMa15161 > for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:06:30 -0400 (EDT) >From: ToriPyro >Message-ID: <924becea.35547f07@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:06:30 EDT >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: [selling] my soul to the ice cream assassin >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 >Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org >Reply-To: ToriPyro >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk > > >It's been about a week now since I've had the new album, and I finally feel >compelled to write my personal review of it. First of all, I owe a lot to >Roger, who wrote his feelings on the album and drove me into a long, sleepless >nite of thinking about this new album. On the foreground, the album depresses >me. Before this morning, I was going around saying I was disappointed in the >album...but I'm reconsidering. Last nite, I needed to listen to Hey Jupiter, >so I put the MTV Unplugged version, the Saturday Nite Live version, and the >April 9, 1996 version...all SOLO piano...last nite I just couldn't deal with >"the band." I didn't stay awake thinking about it, I just went to sleep, and >I had a dream about it, but gods-only-know what happened in it......... > >I remember when I first got Boys For Pele, the day it came out, I was only 2 >or 3 months into my Toriphilia. I remember how I fell in love with >Professional Widow the first time I heard it, then Hey Jupiter, and also, >Caught a Lite Sneeze...that is definitely one of her greatest girls. And I >think I would have gotten the same reaction for this album if I wouldn't have >ruined it. I think that I am partially responsible for my reaction to the >Hotel. I regret saving all of those Real Audio files of Spark, RS, PM, JS, >Cruel, and i i e e e. I think that if I had waited to hear them all as a >collective for the first time, I would have enjoyed it more. It's also this >sense of commercialism. How "Merman" was kept tightly under wraps, but it is >such a beautiful song. How I wasn't able to get a free Lithograph because I >live on Long Island and the closest store to me that did that was in >Rochester. And then, my friend goes into the www.tori.com chatroom, and when >he tells the people in there that he felt tori isn't playing for herself >anymore, they accuse him of disrespect and even went as far to accuse him of >being the one that raped her...all because he is not a Toriphile and didn't >agree with their opinions. > >I absolutely love Tori, no matter what. She could have come out with a >country music album and I probably still would have loved it. But I think the >magic has faded, and I think we Toriphiles are partially responsible. >Honestly, I think she's becoming a bit frightened by us, her ardent fans, who >document her every move on the web...look how it's come to the point that they >constantly point it out to her. And also, I think I may have to partially >agree with my friends comment. He said to me that when an artist paints a >picture, he is doing it for himself, and leaves the viewers to interpret >it...I feel sometimes that now Tori is just writing so that we will be in >favor. She's become devoured by that ugly thing called "fame." And no, I >don't think that her ego is big, I actually think her ego has been slightly >crushed. When I first got the lyrics to the new album, the only one that hit >me was "Black Dove," and I remember the first time was at the Irving Plaza >show. I don't think her child is the only scared little girl she is talking >about. And even though I was at the Irving Plaza show, I agree that if she >would have cut it down by about 50 people, it would have been wonderful show. >Some people have gone as far to call Tori a capitalist for that. I seriously >think things are getting out of control. > >Tori reminds me of a nation, one that was always ancient and magical. It grew >lush green trees everywhere so that the faeries could have a different place >to go every Friday nite. People just walked around barefoot dressed always >like it was summer, singing as they walk along river banks. Little >Earthquakes was the mountains, Under the Pink was the valleys, and Boys For >Pele was the cave. And FTCGH is, in my opinion, is the hotel. Now, there are >factories, and smog, and other not-so-yummy things planted on this nation. Was >this Tori's attempt to modernize? > >Finally, I think Tori is struggling. I can never have the Tori I had before >this album...the girl and the piano. She's in the process of growing and >becoming a new person. She is only human, and they are subject to change. >We'll never fully lose the "old" Tori because she's not able to kill away that >part of her. As a person, putting her music and talent aside, I'm referring >to her only as a philosopher, I am interested to see her grow. There is new >hope for my feelings of this album, but I can see myself 20 years from now, on >my bedroom floor crying to Little Earthquakes, Under The Pink, and Boys For >Pele...the Tori that I fell in love with. > >All I can say to tori is "you were wild...where are you now?" > >loveintori, >Vicki > >p.s. i hope this email didn't upset anyone, but if it did, please feel free to >email me back with whatever comments you may have. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: charmz@mindless.com Subject: [none] Today the Danish newspaper Politiken had an article about Tori and From The Choirgirl Hotel. The author seemed to be quite fond about FTCH, and described it as a masterpiece. Ill translate the article into English soon Are there any Toriphiles in Europe??? E-mail me!! Lots of love from Jette, Denmark, Europe - --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:41:21 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Eric??? At 12:44 PM 5/9/98 PDT, Sonya Harway wrote: > >On a similar note, does anyone know what single 'Song for Eric' is on? >It's in my BeeSides book, but I can't find it in any discography or >anything. If you have info, let me know please! "Song for Eric" is on the UK limited edition SATY single {which also has "Ode to the Banana King (Part One)" and a live version of "Happy Phantom"}. /nad ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #176 *************************************