From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #174 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, May 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ftcgh ["Phillip Garcia" ] Caton question [Anavrin560 ] Re: songs/velvets/all things tori [JupiterCMS ] MRL [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: Raspberry Swirl Necklace Again?? :) ["Diana" ] Tori stuff to trade. ["Ryan Obermeyer" ] Tori on interactive radio sunday!!!! [Pro Widow ] Eric??? [Auburn2244 ] American Pie [Sarah Moore ] live as oppossed to recorded [MM62 ] Philly Show [Jodi ] Re: Girls for sale [Lil3rthqks ] Re: songs/velvets/all things tori [by the woods ] arenas part II [Beth Winegarner ] Ticket Buying Experience [Beth Coulter ] Re: Boston - Fleet Center [Glitergul ] KROQ Breakfast again/Modern Rock Live [Fireheart ] velvet arenas [Beth Winegarner ] lucky minnesota [a lip gloss boost ] thoughts on Choirgirl [Beth Winegarner ] Re: girls for sale [Rachel A Matthews ] "Tori.com" down? ["Mike Gray" ] Re: Raspberry Swirl Necklace Again?? :) [ToriPyro ] Not the Red Baron ["Ryan Obermeyer" ] Tori on CNN ShowBiz This Week [Miguel Antonio Gonzalez ] Re: American Pie [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Eric??? [Fireheart ] Uh [Beth Winegarner ] [selling] my soul to the ice cream assassin [ToriPyro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:47:28 PDT From: "Phillip Garcia" Subject: ftcgh can someone please tell my what the rasberry swirl necklace looks like. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:51:59 EDT From: Anavrin560 Subject: Caton question Ok I was wondering, in the Thank You's in the Under The Pink booklet Tori thanks Caton for not dying, does anyone know what that is about? carol :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:10:42 EDT From: JupiterCMS Subject: Re: songs/velvets/all things tori In a message dated 98-05-08 01:16:33 EDT, you write: << Anyone else think that she sounds a bit like NIN in "iieee" with the"you little arsonist" part?? It sounds cool. >> actually i think the backround sounds in Cruel sound a little like NIN =) Peace out~ catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:34:21 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: MRL I'm not 100% sure which radio station in my aread carries Modern Rock Live and at what time. Anyone know a website where I can find a list of stations and times? Thanks for the help. Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:28:51 -0600 From: "Diana" Subject: Re: Raspberry Swirl Necklace Again?? :) Hi Everyone, Does anyone think that the Raspberry Swirl necklace will be an item at the larger dates this summer? My guess would be yes. diana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:38:14 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: Tori stuff to trade. Is anyone interested in some autographed Tori stuff? I also have the compilation of all of her music videos. Ryan I'm looking for a person who can burn a cd with Merman and other stuff. I am also looking for UK singles and a Boys for Pele tour book or orange promo book. I have other stuff if I need to make it more interesting. :D Thanks Ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 02:37:38 EDT From: Pro Widow Subject: Tori on interactive radio sunday!!!! Okay i just went to my local radio stations website <<96x: www.96x.com>> and i found on the front page that they are doing an interactive radio show at 10:30 pm eastern time!!! It has fans on there that ask tori questions and stuff. The reason that I am telling EVERYONE this is because you CAN listen to the radio station over the net in real audio! just go to http://www.96x.com and click on the LISTEN button on the front page Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:50:09 EDT From: Auburn2244 Subject: Eric??? It is obvious that Tori was affected greatly by her breakup with Eric and it just seems to me that alot of this new album is her way of gaining closure. Does anyone know if Tori has ever talked about why they broke up? It's apparent that it was a very serious relationship and I'm just curious if she ever said why they broke up. I know that it's none of our business so don't e-mail me and tell me I'm nosey cause she's so open about so many things I wondered if she ever opened up about Eric. Okay well I've said enough! :) Sarah :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:08:10 -0700 From: Sarah Moore Subject: American Pie Hi, my name is Sarah and this is my first time posting...I caught somewhere that tori does a rendition of American Pie and I was wondering if someone could tell me where I could get ahold of it...is it only available on bootlegs? BTW, if there is anyone willing to make copies of bootlegs they have for me, I would send tape and postage (I don't have any bootlegs...can never find people to get them from, and have never seen her live myself)...SO, please email me back privately if you can help....THANKS!! Sarah Got an angry snatch girls you know what I mean when swivelin that hip doesn't do the trick...---T.A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:05:55 EDT From: MM62 Subject: live as oppossed to recorded something just occured to me. having seen tori preform songs from FTCGH twice, i realized that i don't think the album lives up to the live versions. hearing cruel on the album, for example, doesn't stand up to hearing it live. i almost wish that tori had really cut the album live. she seems so restrained on the album, as oppossed to the passion and violence she exibited in concert. on the other albums i didn't feel this way. i wish she would put out a true live album. compare the live radio broadcast from chicago and those same songs on the album. i really don't think that they compare in vitality. although i'm not knocking the album, i was wondering if anyone else felt this way. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:27:48 -0400 From: Jodi Subject: Philly Show This is just to inform everyone what it was like buying tickets, because there might be others like me who were very nervous and confused. I got there and hour early and there were about 20 people lined up in a crappy mall in my small town....so I waited and then this really long line formed, and somehow i ended up at the end! But I still got tickets, section 106, row 6, seat 6. which is good, cuz thats my lucky #. The tickets cost $34.....oh, and by the way, there's like a $5 service charge....I had to borrow from my mom....whooops. So I can't wait! Well, thats all the info I can give! Hope it helps! Luv ya, Jodi (who is still reeling from that ticket snaggin high) *pEaCe*LoVe*ToRi* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:27:55 EDT From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Re: Girls for sale In a message dated 98-05-08 01:19:00 EDT, raat@otb.tudelft.nl writes: << Emotions finally... (i'm talking to much, i know, sorry, but i've to get this off my chest). Where is Tori? Can you hear her really... she fades away so often behind a loud wall of musical instruments. Ofcourse there are songs where she truly can be heard (BD,NL, PM), but even then i miss... something... it sounds flat to me (except PM, finally emotion). >> I think I know what you mean; I wish the piano was more prominent. Her piano playing by itself is so beautiful. I think that's part of why she's so amazing: she's a strong composer, lyricist, singer, pianist, and performer (not to mention a fascinating person). She would be successful even if she only concentrated on one of those areas. Anyway, even so, I still like ftch overall, but my favorite songs, of course, are PM, NL, JS, and I LOVE "Black Dove (January)"! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:48:12 -0500 From: by the woods Subject: Re: songs/velvets/all things tori i've always thought she was talking about the velvet undergroud - -a At 10:43 AM 5/8/98 -0500, the Mermaid wrote: > > I just find it kinda funny, her mentioning the Velvets ... cus >I've used the name 'Velvet' online (for Mucks/Mushes and the like) for >almost 5 years now (and well before I ever heard any Tori). Yeah, Yeah, I >know it has nothing to do with me (for one, I've never met Tori), but I >still find it kinda neat, and my friends Joke about it (even tho I correct >them) > > -- The Mermaid (in velvet) > a lilac mess in your prom dress i guess i'm an underwater thing http://www.overlap.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:58:19 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: arenas part II Over the past couple of days as I've thought more about what a Tori show at an arena would be like, one thing has kind of pleased me. Imagine it. "Me and a Gun" being sung to 20,000+ people -- on equipment usually used to broadcast sports scores. It does seem to have a kind of delicious irony to it. Beth - -- "With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." (Jancee Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:54:07 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Ticket Buying Experience Got tickets for the Philly Spectrum Show this afternoon. My local ticketmaster gave out line tickets at 3PM and we were told to come back at 3:55 for the lottery drawing. There were about 20 people there and I was 3rd number called. So around 4:05 I got my block of tickets (8 limit) on the floor 16th row. I was given the last floor seats that outlet was allowed to sell and everyone after me got the first or higher level. Best advice I can give is to get to a suberban outlet where there won't be a whole lot of people and hope you are lucky if there is a lottery. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** I gave my life to become the person I am. Was it worth it? - -richard bach- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:13:10 EDT From: Glitergul Subject: Re: Boston - Fleet Center In a message dated 5/8/98 11:49:03 AM Central Daylight Time, carrieb@hopper.unh.edu writes: << Does anyone know any info about the Boston Fleet Center tix on sale on the 16th? I would like to know if it is better to wait outside the Fleet Center (are they selling tix as well) or call on the 16th a TicketMaster? Speaking of that, is it TicketMaster, Next Ticketing or both who are selling the tix by phone? >> i called the fleet center today, and they don't even have the concert on their list yet. i guess its because the concert is a few months away; i also tried to call ticketmaster, and they don't have any information either. i am assuming it will be ticketmaster, because they usually handle all the events at the fleet center. also, i checked to see if the Oakdale Theater in Wallingford, CT had any info on the concert there (aug 8) and they didn't have it on the list either, and no on-sale info. i don't know...it seems that with each venue, the rules are different...the only thing the same, it that no one seems to know what is going on. i think i'll just be getting my tickets over the phone, cause i am no where near the fleet. love, remi glitergul@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Fireheart Subject: KROQ Breakfast again/Modern Rock Live Hiya (: I'm _still_ looking for someone who is willing to do a trade for Tori's KROQ Breakfast on audio. I haven't gotten any offers ): . Like I've said, I have tons and tons of stuff to trade, including NYC and FL 1998 concerts. I am also anxious for the Modern Rock Live thing on Sunday. Is anyone at all willing to trade for those two broadcasts? Please? (: Carrie-Ellen Batcheller HPs \||/ UNH Babcock Hall Box 2110 | @___oo Durham NH 03824 /\ /\ / (__,,,,| ) /^\) ^\/ _) web pages: ) /^\/ _) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 ) _ / / _) Lifestories: /9523/lifestories.html /\ )/\/ || | )_) Tori Amos trade list: /9523/tori.html < > |(,,) )__) || / \)___)\ "Poor little Earth she tried so hard | \____( )___) )___ to change our ways, sometimes she \______(_______;;; __;;; must get sick of this place" --"Floating City", Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:55:09 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: velvet arenas Michael Curry talked about how he doesn't enjoy arena shows; I think that was something I was trying to get at, and something i did manage to get at when I emailed Richard privately this evening. I have never enjoyed an arena show for any artist, and in fact I mostly avoid them as they tend to be, for me, an enormous waste of time and money. (Plus I tend to get very claustrophobic in crowds). So now I have to decide which wins out... my love for Tori, or my hatred for arena shows... Thanks to you guys who appreciated my velvets post. I wondered if anyone had read it. :) Beth - -- "With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." (Jancee Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:38:43 -0500 From: a lip gloss boost Subject: lucky minnesota I guess most of us in the cities are lucky because the Northrup is really not that huge of a place. I saw Tori there during DDI and the theater is about 4,000 - 4,500 people, which is still pretty cozy (compared to some of the 20,000 rumored arenas she may be playing at). I'm really excited about this show, but also nervous about getting tickets. There seems to be alot of new tori fans in the cities. For example, when we did the meet and greet before the show in June of 1996 there was only about 6-8 people there (many more AFTER the show however), and even in September at Madison I saw Dor's gang (I used to be friends with Jeff (we lost touch a bit ago) and he told me who she was) and there was only a few others. But BAM! November rolls around and we go to Davenport and shit! There's like 50 or so people for the meet and greet and a ton are from the cities, so. Hm, I'm leaving for Eau Claire, WI to get tickets at 6am tomorrow morning and we hope to be there around 7am - I'm just crossing my fingers that there won't be too many people there. If there is any one who is going to Oakwood to get tickets for the Minneapolis show (or Milwaukee/Chicago) - let me know, I'm really excited. (: ally ps: that was just my little opinion/gush/whatnots... ~*~ why can't my ba.ll.oo.n stay up ~*~ ~*~ in a perfectly windy sky ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally ~*~ The Pool of Tori Amos ~*~ http://crono.net/~ally/torimain.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:55:20 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: thoughts on Choirgirl I've been wanting to do this for a while now, but since the album was just released this week, I wanted to wait till a majority of people had it. Now, if you're not interested in having your early impressions of the album 'spoiled' by someone else's impressions, please just skip this message -- I won't be offended in the slightest. But I have a lot of thoughts and connections I've been making listening to the album these past few weeks, and this is where I'm at right now. I'll just go through, song by song... Spark: I love the background vocals (thanks to ventrue for pointing out the swing low, sweet chariot bit), I wish I knew what they were more thoroughly. I like the "how many fates" bit -- the anger there is so real. Because you think everything's going to be ok, and then it isn't -- and the ballerinas are really sharks but you might never be able to prove it. I like how she's been singing this live, with a lot harder edge to those lines, too. Cruel: The rhythm of this song is really neat (I love Jon's bass in the intro), and I totally dig that she built the rhythm from drumming on her body in the shower. This song is just so trippy -- and perfect for like, goth clubs (along with i i e e e and Liquid diamonds). I know, somehow, what she means by "why can't my balloon stay up in a perfectly windy sky" -- you know, sometimes you're trying to keep your mood up when everything around you's blustery. And it just doesn't happen. I wonder if the second verse -- "top 10 in the charts of pain" and "my vine twists around your need" -- is about Trent? I also like the "cock cock cock your mane" and "shshshshock me sane" parts. Yum. :) Black-Dove: Wow. At first I couldn't figure out that muted piano bit at the beginning. Now, I think the fact that it sounds "wrong" makes perfect sense in terms of the song. In a way I think this is an updated MAAG. This is her victim side, still there, living out there by the woods, and maybe she hasnt been to Barbados but she's been to the other side of the galaxy. Sometimes I feel like I'm in a January world too -- "so many storms not right somehow" and too many times through victimhood a lion does become a mouse. But the main reason I think this song relates to MAAG is the "I have to get to TEXAS" part. You all know how in Thelma & Louise she doesn't want to go to Texas because that was where she was raped, and she doesn't want go back thre and face up to what happened to her? Since MAAG was based around T&L in a sense ... I think this is Tori's way of saying if you go back to that place where you were hurt, and you face up to it, you can escape this January world. Maybe. I don't know about the blue dress yet. She's talking about the cowboys again, and the snakes are her kin -- seems relevant to "Honey." I also really like the "hey" around 3:15 during the piano solo. Raspberry Swirl: The first thing I have to say is I love how exhilirating it feels to sing the "ra-a-a-aaa-aaaa-sperry swirl" part. If you take your breaths the same way she does, it leaves you with this amazing and very short high, a little like doing lamaze or something. :) It's fun! I also really like the random guitar swirls in the intro. And that crunch-crunch-crunch-crunch noise just before the semi-sireny noise stars at 10 seconds. (I wish I had names for all these things). For you SF fans, there's a great little ice cream shop in Sebastopol called Screamin' Mimi's and they make a RASPBERRY SWIRL ice cream... and it is VERY delicious. :) Jackie's Strength: I really enjoy the bits about being a teenager, the David Cassidy (who has a new album coming out 5/12) and the sleepovers. I think this song is pretty self-explanatori, though, so I don't have a lot to say about it just now. i i e e e: I LOVE this song. The vocal interludes are so very pretty, and the strings. Yum. I'm trying to figure out "need a lip gloss boost in your america" -- I mean, it didn't take me THIS long to figure out "need a big loan from the girl zone". I like how this song recalls "Crucify" ("why does there gotta be a sacrifice?")... I think this song speaks directly to the loss of her child, screaming at cathedrals -- and maybe the "sweet saliva" brings about conception, I don't know how to explain that exactly, but going back to the myth that the world was born when God sneezed. But the whole "I know we're dying and there's no sign of a parachute... why cant it be beautiful? why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" is more anger about the loss of her child, and the loss of good things generally. The "Why do bad things happen to good people" question. Anyone know who the 'little arsonist' is? Maybe this goes back to witch-burning? Since it's about "so sure you can save every hair on my chest." Liquid Diamonds: I adore this one too, the melody is so pretty. I love the booming bass that comes in (should be enjoyable for those of you who happen to have the rapper-bass-stereo setup in your cars) in the beginning. This is such a swimmery song. I think this does relate to the mermaid imagery present in other songs, and also directly to 'merman' -- 'I've got a sea secret in me it's plain to see and it is rising' sounds so much like she's talking about the death of her child yet again. I also like the first lines, like she's talking about coming to terms with the loss. 'Surrender.' 'You'll know quite soon what my mistake was' -- perhaps she's blaming herself for what happened to cause her to lose her child? For those on horseback or dog sled -- we know Tori's previous references to horses, especially riding on them to get to a safe place -- I wonder who she's talking about that "still grants forgiveness" -- I mean I want to know which person, or goddess, this is. :) "the offering is molasses" -- people have been relating this to Eric especially in light of 'northern lad' but I think maybe molassess is the baby. The sacrifice, the offering. Maybe Tori feels that in order to resolve some previous situation, she had to sacrifice/offer the baby? to gain forgiveness for something she did? Ok, this is myth time, but I can't remember any myths where a person has to go (to the underworld? or under the sea? Violet? Violet?) to get their soul back -- but I think this plays into this song pretty heavily. I would love to see where an excursion into the subject would lead. She's Your Cocaine: I know this song is about some rally twisted things, but it's fun in many ways too. Mostly an up song. I like how she sounds like PJ Harvey. Northern Lad: again, I feel like this one is in a lot of ways pretty straightforward, and probably about Eric, although I do think the "I thought we'd be ok, me and my molasses" is about her and the baby. I don't think she's still mourning the loss of Eric in the way she was on Pele. I think the line "But I feel the cake just isnt done" goes back to "Baker, Baker," that's for sure. I also think the "when you're only wet because of the rain" references "and when my heart's soaking wet/boy your boots can leave a mess." I also just adore the lines "I loved his secret places/But I can't go anymore." There's someone I feel that way about, to this day, and she just puts it so well. *sigh* Hotel: I already posted a bunch about this, just in terms of the Velvets... But I haven't eben begun to unravel a lot of this song yet. It sounds so mysterious, and maybe the whole thing is set in Gaiman's London Below (from "Neverwhere")... it has that kind of feel to it, really. But it also sounds like it could be about someone, a friend, like a Trent Reznor or a Kurt Cobain, a famous but troubled guy that she can't connect with anymore because of some situation. And the lesson that sometimes you just have to watch someone crash and there's nothing you can do about it. I love the multi-layered meaning of "guess that what I'm seeking isn't here." Could someone more into christian mythos please talk about King Solomon's mines and what Exit 75 might point to? Playboy mommy: this was the first of the songs on this album to make me feel like crying, it's so tender and precious and somehow reminds me of how I feel about losing my mom before I had the opportunity to really be there for her. It's a hard thing to own up to, that you feel like you weren't present enough for someone who is passed on now. The harmonies -- vocal-- on this song are so pretty. And I love how she's encouraging this spirit to go and be independent. "I get what I want/you're so like me." And the bit about the sailors. *sigh* But my favorite bit is "I'll say it loud here by your grave/those angels can't ever take my place... somewhere where the orchids grow/I can't find those churchbells/that played when you died/played gloria/talking bout hosanah.' Yum... I also think Caton's slide guitar is SO evocative... it makes me happy and sad at the same time. Pandora's Aquarium: I'm still digesting this one. Despite its simple sound (I love the jazzy almost billie holiday feeling to it) it seems very complex in structure and content. The intro reminds me a lot of "Yes, Anastasia" somehow. The "thoughts you thought you'd never tell" remind me both of the "thoughts right now" and the "Buttons that have forgotten they're buttons." But I don't know where to go with this one from here... it's too tricky yet. - -- "With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." (Jancee Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rachel A Matthews Subject: Re: girls for sale hey... i completely agree with Roger! i am so glad someone had the courage to speak up before i did. i'm kind of a sissy that way. but i was also feeling very guilty for not LOVING the new tori. i am still very confused by this new one, i just kind of turn it on and think, "oh my god, i'd never listen to this..." but i try to make myself listen to it and find out what it all means, and i am still so confused. i really want to understand tori. but i feel like she is drifting far away from us. just where ARE the faeries??? tori is like, becoming a real money-making professional now and it kind of freaks me out. i want her to be happy. but i would feel better if she could tell us what her intetions are. if she would just come out and say, "hey, i want to make money, i deserve this and i've worked my whole life to get to this point," then, i would agree and i'd admire her for being obnoxiously powerful. but what if she's has become afraid of her own songs, and maybe she's realized that telling musical "stories" just isn't as universal as everone who gets on mtv, and she wants to get on mtv. or maybe she really has US in mind, thinking that if she does stadium shows, if she does a slick album, then there is no chance that any of her fans will be left out. i don't know. i kind of feel like, you know, a girl whose jealous of her mother for talking to the other kids. whatever. please don't hate me. love miss racheL. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:41:32 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: "Tori.com" down? Hi guys.. It appears that http://www.tori.com is down. I just get an advert for "Emerald Solutions" - anyone know what's going on with that? Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:09:38 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: Re: Raspberry Swirl Necklace Again?? :) In a message dated 5/9/98 3:22:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dianas@avicom.net writes: << Does anyone think that the Raspberry Swirl necklace will be an item at the larger dates this summer? My guess would be yes. >> I definitely think so because the tshirts said "Sneak Preview Tour" but the necklaces say "Plugged 1998"...which is the collective name for the whole tour =) loveintori, Vicki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:01:33 PDT From: "Ryan Obermeyer" Subject: Not the Red Baron I posted the interpretation of Not the Red Baron and how it could relate to AIDS, and I was driving in the rain listening to it and I was thinking how the Red Baron was a pilot, and Charlie Brown was friends with one(Snoopy). And I realized that Snoopy looked like the Red Baron when he flew. I hope this sheds some light on something for someone. I have decided that Iieee is my favorite song on the new album. Ryan Obermeyer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:50:49 -0400 From: Miguel Antonio Gonzalez Subject: Tori on CNN ShowBiz This Week The Tori appearance on CNN ShowBiz Today was repeated on their weekend wrap-up show CNN ShowBiz This Week at 10:40 AM ESTthis morning. This means it WILL BE REPEATED ONE MORE TIME in about16 hours or so at 3:20 AM EST (the show normally repeats at 3:00 AM EST). So anyone who cares to stay up has one more chance to see it. Mike speedygo@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:53:33 -0400 From: "Nicole" Subject: Philly Tickets I had to buy by phone, since I live in Maryland. I finally got through at 4:50, and then was on hold for a while longer. My seats are Section Z, Row 10. I've looked at the seating chart, but I'm still a little confused. Are the lettered sections floor seats? Nicole *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* NiCoLe@torithoughts.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/4654 ICQ# 9479828 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:40:41 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: American Pie At 05:08 PM 5/8/98 -0700, Sarah Moore wrote: >Hi, my name is Sarah and this is my first time posting...I caught >somewhere that tori does a rendition of American Pie and I was wondering >if someone could tell me where I could get ahold of it...is it only >available on bootlegs? BTW, if there is anyone willing to make copies >of bootlegs they have for me, I would send tape and postage (I don't >have any bootlegs...can never find people to get them from, and have >never seen her live myself)...SO, please email me back privately if you >can help....THANKS!! Tori first did the last verse of American Pie the night that Kurt Cobain died as an introduction to her cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit. She did American Pie/Smells Like Teen Spirit at several other shows on the UtP tour, and few times on the BfP tour. She doesn't do the whole song, just that last verse. It's not available on a legitimate release, just on "imports" *cough*bootlegs*cough*. If you'd like a copy of this, just let me know. I'll usually help out newbies {depending on my work/school schedule}. My bootlist is online at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7536/bootlegindex.html {I'm also open to trades, esp 1998 material. I have some, but I want more. :) } /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 05:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Fireheart Subject: Re: Eric??? My take on it is that the new album is definitely the "miscarriage album", I think Boys for Pele was her way of gaining closure with her relationship with Eric--especially "Jupiter" and "Putting the Damage On". My understanding was that Eric found someone else while Tori was away touring. Apparently they had both wanted to settle down at one point, and Tori very much wanted to have a child with Eric, which is another reason why the miscarriage was so painful to her (even though Eric wasn't the father). I guess Eric wanted someone who had more time for him, Tori is a very busy women. Its no wonder that she now has a husband who tours with her, that's prpbably a very convenient relationship. I get the sense that Tori is in love, but also still deeply loves Eric in a very sacred way. I mean, Eric was the man who helped her deal with the rape, he was with her at a very vunerable point in her life. I think though, that he helped her grow as a person and that meant also that she grew away from him. Growing apart from Eric though also showed that she was independednt enough to grow away from someone she was emotionally dependent upon. Wow, deep stuff. This all comes from being a Counseling major. Just my take, I'm not saying any of this is true. Only Tori knows how Tori feels. Carrie-Ellen Batcheller HPs \||/ UNH Babcock Hall Box 2110 | @___oo Durham NH 03824 /\ /\ / (__,,,,| ) /^\) ^\/ _) web pages: ) /^\/ _) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 ) _ / / _) Lifestories: /9523/lifestories.html /\ )/\/ || | )_) Tori Amos trade list: /9523/tori.html < > |(,,) )__) || / \)___)\ "Poor little Earth she tried so hard | \____( )___) )___ to change our ways, sometimes she \______(_______;;; __;;; must get sick of this place" --"Floating City", Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:44:20 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Uh > her, and besides, if you don't like the idea of seeing her stadiums then > simply don't go. I'm not stopping you, Tori's not stopping you, nobody's > stopping you. What I posted had nothing to do with that. I was only airing my opinion, and bringing the matter up for discussion. > If you honestly think of Tori is selling out simply for doing stadiums then > you have no idea what selling out is. Who said she was selling out? I didn't. > As for those who miss the intamicy, you don't have to worry too much, being > that she is going to do some accoustic songs, just like she did in the > "Plugged" tour. I'm not worried about losing intimacy on account of the band. I'm talking about losing intimacy based on the fact that unless you get great seats, you could be sitting as much as a quarter mile from the stage where she's performing. How intimate is *that*? > Tori Amos is not > obligated to meet, hug, and greet you, there is nothing in her or any other > entertainer's contract that they should continue to interact with their fans. I never said she was. But here is what I AM saying. Up until this time it has been a part of Tori's personality, and presence as a musician, that she's never wanted to be the untouchable star. She's always wanted to go to the fans, to be with them, to talk with them before and after shows, to spend time with them. If she stops wanting to do that -- well, then something about her has changed. Something pretty fundamental. THAT is what worries me. Maybe it's not going to happen. Probably isn't. > If you guys want to cry like babies and demand that she > crucify herself for you, go right ahead, destroy her and be no more moral than > the people at the Peabody Conservatory who did whatever they could to get her > to do whatever she was told because they thought they were right and she was > wrong. I'm sorry. I thought I read somewhere that you weren't trying to flame any of us... Beth PS -- thanks for all the corrections, guys, but we already fixed the mistake I made about Jon's name at ATN. Beth - -- "With her litany of complaints and demands, [Meredith] Brooks has been much more of a bitch than a mother or a child or a lover." (Jancee Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:06:30 EDT From: ToriPyro Subject: [selling] my soul to the ice cream assassin It's been about a week now since I've had the new album, and I finally feel compelled to write my personal review of it. First of all, I owe a lot to Roger, who wrote his feelings on the album and drove me into a long, sleepless nite of thinking about this new album. On the foreground, the album depresses me. Before this morning, I was going around saying I was disappointed in the album...but I'm reconsidering. Last nite, I needed to listen to Hey Jupiter, so I put the MTV Unplugged version, the Saturday Nite Live version, and the April 9, 1996 version...all SOLO piano...last nite I just couldn't deal with "the band." I didn't stay awake thinking about it, I just went to sleep, and I had a dream about it, but gods-only-know what happened in it......... I remember when I first got Boys For Pele, the day it came out, I was only 2 or 3 months into my Toriphilia. I remember how I fell in love with Professional Widow the first time I heard it, then Hey Jupiter, and also, Caught a Lite Sneeze...that is definitely one of her greatest girls. And I think I would have gotten the same reaction for this album if I wouldn't have ruined it. I think that I am partially responsible for my reaction to the Hotel. I regret saving all of those Real Audio files of Spark, RS, PM, JS, Cruel, and i i e e e. I think that if I had waited to hear them all as a collective for the first time, I would have enjoyed it more. It's also this sense of commercialism. How "Merman" was kept tightly under wraps, but it is such a beautiful song. How I wasn't able to get a free Lithograph because I live on Long Island and the closest store to me that did that was in Rochester. And then, my friend goes into the www.tori.com chatroom, and when he tells the people in there that he felt tori isn't playing for herself anymore, they accuse him of disrespect and even went as far to accuse him of being the one that raped her...all because he is not a Toriphile and didn't agree with their opinions. I absolutely love Tori, no matter what. She could have come out with a country music album and I probably still would have loved it. But I think the magic has faded, and I think we Toriphiles are partially responsible. Honestly, I think she's becoming a bit frightened by us, her ardent fans, who document her every move on the web...look how it's come to the point that they constantly point it out to her. And also, I think I may have to partially agree with my friends comment. He said to me that when an artist paints a picture, he is doing it for himself, and leaves the viewers to interpret it...I feel sometimes that now Tori is just writing so that we will be in favor. She's become devoured by that ugly thing called "fame." And no, I don't think that her ego is big, I actually think her ego has been slightly crushed. When I first got the lyrics to the new album, the only one that hit me was "Black Dove," and I remember the first time was at the Irving Plaza show. I don't think her child is the only scared little girl she is talking about. And even though I was at the Irving Plaza show, I agree that if she would have cut it down by about 50 people, it would have been wonderful show. Some people have gone as far to call Tori a capitalist for that. I seriously think things are getting out of control. Tori reminds me of a nation, one that was always ancient and magical. It grew lush green trees everywhere so that the faeries could have a different place to go every Friday nite. People just walked around barefoot dressed always like it was summer, singing as they walk along river banks. Little Earthquakes was the mountains, Under the Pink was the valleys, and Boys For Pele was the cave. And FTCGH is, in my opinion, is the hotel. Now, there are factories, and smog, and other not-so-yummy things planted on this nation. Was this Tori's attempt to modernize? Finally, I think Tori is struggling. I can never have the Tori I had before this album...the girl and the piano. She's in the process of growing and becoming a new person. She is only human, and they are subject to change. We'll never fully lose the "old" Tori because she's not able to kill away that part of her. As a person, putting her music and talent aside, I'm referring to her only as a philosopher, I am interested to see her grow. There is new hope for my feelings of this album, but I can see myself 20 years from now, on my bedroom floor crying to Little Earthquakes, Under The Pink, and Boys For Pele...the Tori that I fell in love with. All I can say to tori is "you were wild...where are you now?" loveintori, Vicki p.s. i hope this email didn't upset anyone, but if it did, please feel free to email me back with whatever comments you may have. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #174 *************************************