From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #107 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, March 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM, Trent thread [Serra Angel ] archives... [the happy phantom ] Taking on the world thread... [allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jay] Re: My Inquisitive Mind.. [Nadyne Mielke ] Tori on Wall of Sound [sknauf@ibm.net] More About New Album At Jam! [Mikewhy ] Re: I would just DIE!!!!!!! [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn)] honey? ["Ellis, Melanie S" ] Re: Tori on Wall of Sound [Nadyne Mielke ] sexiest Tori songs ["Nick Schutz" ] Re: More About New Album At Jam! [Richard Handal ] Beanie lost the sunset [JEDAS1 ] My most emotional songs........ [MWyszynski ] Re: Beanie lost the sunset [Khloegirl ] Re: MM, Trent thread [Stephanie Handley ] Re: Beanie lost the sunset [WeirdyBoi ] EQS [Jennifer Cypres ] out of body experience... [lush ] Manson & Tori/important stuff [cindyeld@ix.netcom.com (Cindy Elder)] a trick and a kick [Alicia ] She's Your Cocaine [lilchibi@flash.net] tori in ny [LuCygrrrl ] Replies and stuff... ["Nick Schutz" ] Re: honey? [Adia 509 ] please do this for me, a fellow tori fan :) [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Je] Re: Replies and stuff... [allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox)] Re: Tori's Changes [allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox)] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 ["Nick Schutz" ] Pre-order "From the Choirgirl Hotel" [sknauf@ibm.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:21:51 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: MM, Trent thread I agree that this mailing list is for Tori stuff, and I agree that the discussion of MM is probably a fruitless one and should probably die quietly. But isn't it interesting the way we feel that some expressions are acceptable and some are not? I think that's what Tori is all about... she was limited in what she could express her whole life, and her music has beena wonderful outlet for that. You may not agree with what MM is trying to articulate, but does that make the expression invalid? I think Tori would beg to differ, hence her covers of other people's music to begin with. There's a certain level of respect she seems to have in approach, it's not about satire or borrowing.. it's like transformation and appreciation. Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: the happy phantom Subject: archives... is there an archive for this mailing list??? i tried to find the intro letter, but to no avail, so if anybody could help me out, that would be appreciated... also, how about this thread??? what tori song makes you feel like you can take on the world??? mine personally is 'precious things', i was wondering what other people thought...slainte... - ------------------- kate hardison join the campaign to save the dragons... hardic2@rpi.edu http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/3886/dragons.html epsilon iota chapter of the psi uspilon fraternity 'i'm only hangin' on to watch you go down, my love...' 'the calf that you carve with a smile is MURDER...and the turkey you festively slice is MURDER...do you know how animals die?...kitchen aromas aren't very homely...it's not "comforting", "cheery" or "kind"... it's sizzling blood and the unholy stench of MURDER...it's not "natural", "normal" or kind...the flesh you so fancifully fry...the meat in your mouth as you savour the flavour of MURDER NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER who hears when animals cry?' 'you're taking steps that make you feel dizzy, then you learn to like the way it feels...you hurt yourself you hurt your lover, then you discover what you thought was freedom is just greed...goodbye...and it's emotional... good night...i'll be up with the sun...you're still holding on i'm not coming down...' 'your catholic blues, your convent shoes, your stick on tattoos, now they're making the news...your holy war, your northern star, your sermon on the mount from the boot of your car...please...please...please... get up off your knees...please...please...please... leave me out of this please...' 'i can't believe the news today, i can't close my eyes and make it go away. how long, how long must we sing this song? how long? tonight we can be as one. broken bottles under children's feet, bodies strewn across a dead end street, but I won't heed the battle call, it puts my back up, puts my back up against the wall...sunday, bloody sunday...' 'and so we are told this is the golden age and gold is the reason for the wars we wage...' 'hey farmer farmer, put away that ddt now...give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees...please!!! don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone...they paved paradise and put up a parking lot...' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:51:17 -0700 From: allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox) Subject: Taking on the world thread... Mine is actually very similar. Mine is "Out of Body Experience (Precious Things remix)" I could do anything with this remix in the background. Warren _______________________________Muhammad my friend, I'm getting very scared. Teach me how to love my brothers -Tori >also, how about this thread??? what tori song makes you feel like you can >take on the world??? mine personally is 'precious things', i was >wondering what other people thought...slainte... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: My Inquisitive Mind.. On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 kroberts@connect.ab.ca wrote: > I don't post too often to the list so I figured that I'd make an > appearance..:) Well, I haven't seen any responses to this, so I'll chip in with my couple of pennies. :) > First of all...a few questions.!! > ***Does anyone know about where I can get live Tori stuff? Or if there are > any music stores in Edmonton, Alberta that has Tori stuff??? For live stuff, there are some great places available that do mail order business. I personally highly recommend Rainy Day Records. You can email them at rainy@conch.net and ask what kind of Tori imports they have in stock. A single CD boot will run you US$20-US$30, and a double will run you US$40-US$60. If you have a credit card, use that, and they'll deal with the conversion rate {and give you the best one available}. If you just want cassette copies of live shows, drop me a line and we can work something out. You can see what I have online at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7536/bootlegindex.html > ***Is Tori in any magazines this month? Preferably ones that I can find in > Canada..:) She's in a couple of magazines, but they're in the UK, Finland, and Australia. Unless you have a -really- good bookstore {or Tower Records} handy, you probably won't be able to find them. But fear not! I'm sure she'll appear in publications that those of us in North America will be able to get ahold of. In the interim, we'll have to live with posts of the pictures and article texts that we find online. {Mikewhy's Dent is a great resource for this, http://tori.by.net} :) HTH! /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:20:34 +0800 From: sknauf@ibm.net Subject: Tori on Wall of Sound Hi everyone, This isn't really news, but in case anyone's interested, Tori's upcoming club tour was mentioned on the Wall of Sound website: "Tori Amos, who married sound engineer Mark Hawley in February, will embark on a medium-sized club tour in April and May, previewing her forthcoming album, from the choirgirl hotel, which is scheduled to hit shelves May 5. According to the Tori Amos fanzine Really Deep Thoughts, in an effort to ensure that her real fans get the opportunity to see the Cornflake girl play these intimate gigs, Amos has decided to sell tickets at the venues themselves, with a limit of two tickets per person. Following her U.S. shows, Amos will take about ten days off before starting a European tour. " (http://www.wallofsound.com/news/stories/2785index.html) At the end there's a link to the club dates and venues, which we all know by now. sabrina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:09 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: More About New Album At Jam! Once again the Jam! Web Site Posts Vital Tori Info! There is an article at the Jam web site: http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/mar24_tori.html which contains several quotes from Tori about her new album and the miscarriage that inspired much of the work. It all comes from an Atlantic Bio which doe snot seem to be available at Atlantic's web site yet. This Tori article is vital reading for any Toriphile. Tori even tells the story behind the songs "Cruel", "iieee" and "She's Your Cocaine." They also give a lyric from "Spark": "She can crawl like a glacier/But she couldn't keep baby alive". Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:09:05 -0500 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: Re: I would just DIE!!!!!!! >> *********WARNING: this is my opinion and my OPINION only please don't take >> offense******* >> I guess I should explain myself....... tori could sing the abc's and I >> would LOVE it, she could just hum, or even whistle and I would admire her, >> so even if she covered a Marylin Manson song she would be elegent, and >> beautiful as always. You can't compare the talent and style of Trent with >> Marylin Manson.... they just don't click.... Manson needs serious help, >> better yet he needs attention which all of his followers are giving him, >> and that's fine it's their choice, but I don't see his talent. >> My point is Tori could bring talent to any song. I'm not judging a book by >> it's cover either, cause I have listened to Manson. I don't quite >> understand what you mean by Trent made manson what he is... are you saying >> Manson is nothing but a waana be or a follower? It's different when tori >> sings her songs because those are from her experiences, and she doesn't try >> to hype up this image to hide her songs and to have all these followers. >> Basically tori goes out on stage "naked" and sings her heart and soul out >> until it's empty. Manson puts on his fake self goes out there and does >> what his followers expect him to, he doesn't portray himself. >> >> phew! >> -Jenn :) >I agree with what you're saying about Manson and Tori being opposites in >approach.. he's trying to give a visual representation of the sickness he >feels inside, but it's definitely to distance people, primarily becaus ehe >feels damn uncomfortable with people liking him and being famous, which is >what Antichrist Superstar is all about.. "I know that I can turn you on, I >wish I could just turn you off.. I never wanted this." >However, my point about the Manson/trent connection is something I think a >lot of you don't realize... Trent found MM, trent signed MM and promoted >them heavily, and Trent cocreated much of the music on the albums. he >definitely identifies strongly with Marilyn and supports him. >I understand it's hard to get away from MM's stage presence and all of >that, in my opinion that really draws away from the music. But to say they >have no talent kinda boggles my mind. As a lyricist and a singer, Marilyn >is a lot better than Trent, and the sampling choices are at least as good, >Trent having contributed to much of what's on there. The enntire album is >a huge metaphor of a hated worm being elevated to a butterfly, and >therefore admired and loved, when the core of the sickness inside the worm >is still there, and there is some dissonance as the worm doesn't >understand why the sudden admiration, coming froma world that has always >rejected him. So the buttlrfly falls, the angel falls, having to deal with >a new low. Obviously MM is talking about his rise in fame and the way he >feels about it, along with his past experiences, relationships with women >and with his mother, etc. It's really quite lyrically brilliant, he has a >definitely flair for language. I know none of youa re going to buy any of >this though unles syou experience it for yourself, so just try to strip >away the hype and listen to it for what it is, maybe you'll understand. > >Kahlan I don't want to tcontinue with this topic, because we're just not going to see eye to eye.... I just wanted to say I still don't agree. I have listened to manson, and I still don't agree. - -Jenn :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Once you get to know sad... she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" - -Tori Amos - -Spin, 1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:42:57 -0600 From: "Ellis, Melanie S" Subject: honey? WOAH!! You mean to tell me that in Honey she is singing "youre just too used to my honey"?????????? NO WAY!!!!!! I thought she was saying "used to MONEY!"! Jeez, I guess that makes more sense, but I liked it better with "money"...I have an ex thats "too used to money"... Daisy melanie (who is hoping for a wedding song off of new album) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori on Wall of Sound On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 sknauf@ibm.net wrote: Well, sknauf didn't write this, the morons at Wall of Sound did: > to see the Cornflake girl play these intimate gigs, Amos ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tori is notNotNOT a Cornflake Girl, much less -the- Cornflake Girl! Dammit, if you don't know enough about the artist, you shouldn't try to give 'em a nickname. Either learn more about the artist so you don't come off sounding like a complete moron, or just report the news and don't try to be cutesy. {Nothing against sabrina who passed this info on. :) } /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:52:24 PST From: "Nick Schutz" Subject: sexiest Tori songs The songs that give off the most sexual energy are Precious Things and In the Springtime of His Voodoo. Precious Things with the breathing in the background and just the way the drums come in and how she says "...with their nine inch nails..." Yeah. In the Springtime of His Voodoo with just like the rhythm. And in the beginning, where she's just saying, "Yeah, oh,..." and that stuff. It just turns me on. Damm. Nick ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: More About New Album At Jam! Michael Whitehead said: > Once again the Jam! Web Site Posts Vital Tori Info! > > There is an article at the Jam web site: > http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/mar24_tori.html > > which contains several quotes from Tori about her new album and the > miscarriage that inspired much of the work. Thanks for that, Mike. I continue to be amazed at how she's so willing to discuss such deeply personal things from her life--not only in her music, but in interviews and press releases. I appreciate knowing what she's willing to share with us about her personal life, but I'm still not comfortable with going beyond that in public conversation. I can certainly see the temptation folks feel to engage in that, though. Looks like another emotionally rich album is heading our way. Some people thought that since she got married that she would have songs with less emotional depth than we've gotten used to. Doesn't sound like it to me. I'm surprised there still hasn't been a press release about the wedding. Weird. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:56:40 CST From: "rosalind's pea soup" Subject: dreamtime I had a very strange dream with Ms. Amos in it...I got to spend the day with her on an airplane(it was implied that I had won some sort of contest)...but the pilot was quite incompetent. We found ourselves crashed in a field(no one ws hurt, of course...this is a dream now), and we spent the rest of the day frolicking in the woods and swimming in the sun. The coolest part, and the reason why I found this dream so captivating is because tori had a young daughter with her...and she took her child with us. When It was time to go we both cried and she promised to read my letters.(not that I've ever sent any) It was a beautiful dream. Just thought I'd enlighten you people with a bit of my insanity. kerriloo^ "I don't care if they eat me alive... I've got better things to do than survive I've got a memory of your warm skin in my hands..." -ani difranco- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:35:17 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Beanie lost the sunset okay everyone, :) On Father Lucifer, I can hear the lyrics written in the booklet. "Everyday's my wedding day," etc. What else is she saying in the background? I heard, "Skiddilydee, I am Jesus!" But does anyone else know what she's saying??? :) Just a lil' question. Inquiring minds want to know!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:38:39 -0800 From: MWyszynski Subject: My most emotional songs........ I finally was able to decide on my most emotional songs (which is hard. They all strike me hard.......) 1) Winter (WOW! Nothing more powerful in a woman's life than memories of their father. For men, memories of his mother) 2) Sweet Dreams (WOW WOW! Shows how every "Nero" in D.C. is fiddling while our "Rome" burns. It also illustrates the unfairness of ideology on both sides of the aisle.) 3) Upside Down (How many of us have a voice in us "chatter chatter chatter" and turn us "upside down"????) 4) Take to the Sky (How many of us have to disregard what everyone says and just "take to the sky"???) And they are all on one CD, the "Winter Limited Edition 5 CD Maxi Single". Michael J. Wyszynski Consulting Project Analyst - Prism Solutions, Inc. - Direct: (847) 292-7104 x 151 " I said: "She's gone, but I'm alive." I'm alive I'm coming in the graveyard To sing you to sleep now." - -Tori Amos "My work is not work. It is a hobby I happened to get paid for." - -Quote from March 16, 1998 issue of Fortune Magazine "we are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that death will tremble to take us." - -Charles Bukowski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:03:44 EST From: Fioena Subject: Re: Beanie lost the sunset Hi This web site http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~lolly/tori.html has all the lyrics including the "lyrics that time forgot" (background) <> (taken from http://www.csua.berkeley. edu/~lolly/tori.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:07:07 EST From: Khloegirl Subject: Re: Beanie lost the sunset Ok, there are 3 voices, the first is written in the liner notes, the second, is what you are referring to, and the third is all I know! (I hope) 3rd: So maybe she's hiding her heart of gold Got a pig hiding a truffle Wearing those purple garters And girl I got a condo in Hoboken (City in Holland) The second voice is the "Go away world only glass" thingie but I'm not sure about what else she says. Hope I helped a teenie weenie bit... - -Khloe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:10:19 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: MM, Trent thread : : :applause: : : Serra Angel wrote: > I agree that this mailing list is for Tori stuff, and I agree that the > discussion of MM is probably a fruitless one and should probably die > quietly. But isn't it interesting the way we feel that some expressions > are acceptable and some are not? I think that's what Tori is all about... > she was limited in what she could express her whole life, and her music > has beena wonderful outlet for that. You may not agree with what MM is > trying to articulate, but does that make the expression invalid? I think > Tori would beg to differ, hence her covers of other people's music to > begin with. There's a certain level of respect she seems to have in > approach, it's not about satire or borrowing.. it's like transformation > and appreciation. > > Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:34:54 EST From: WeirdyBoi Subject: Re: Beanie lost the sunset In a message dated 98-03-25 16:19:23 EST, Khloegirl@aol.com writes: << So maybe she's hiding her heart of gold Got a pig hiding a truffle Wearing those purple garters And girl I got a condo in Hoboken (City in Holland) >> No, no, no, silly. the correct backing lyrics for the 3rd vocal (the high one) are: "Maybe she's hiding in a hot dog Got a pig hiding in a truffle Wearing those purple garters and girl i got a condo in Hoboken." I know these are correct because in Raleigh, NC on the Dew Drop Inn Tour, I asked her if they were correct, and I even told her what other people on the net thought the lyrics were, and she laughed a little and grinned cause they certainly are peculiar lyrics... And she said mine were correct. yay. And, just for neato Tori details we all love, as I was saying the lines to her, she finished them with me. And she said she doesn't sing that part in concert because it would hurt her voice lots and she said, "listen to that part in your head as i sing it." :) j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:22:23 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: EQS I don't think I ever saw the address or phone number for EQS posted. I'd like to order those singles. Thanks! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:03:40 -0600 From: lush Subject: out of body experience... At 06:51 AM 3/25/98 -0700, Warren C. Jaycox wrote: > > Mine is actually very similar. Mine is "Out of Body Experience >(Precious Things remix)" I could do anything with this remix in the >background. where can one find this version of the song? a every turkey dies, but not every turkey truly lived. [h t t p : http://www.overlap.org . o r g ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:04:25 -0600 (CST) From: cindyeld@ix.netcom.com (Cindy Elder) Subject: Manson & Tori/important stuff Playback Singer wrote: >I beg to differ. Tori's been through the church, and has an educated >opinion about it -- she knows how religion and spirituality and how they >can hurt or help people. She has a very open-minded approach, where Manson >(while he has his own first-hand experience with Christianity) chucked the >entire thing out th window. He refuses to see how someone could benefit >from religion or spirituality. > actually I think you are very wrong. Mr. Manson also has an educated opinion about Christianity--for one, he went to Christian school for many years. And he does see the benefits of religion and spiritually, just probably not the way you see it. It takes some effort to understand what Mr. Manson is saying, it takes digging through the bs that he has laid (and believe me there is a lot of it), but he has some good things to say so I think it's worth it. also... Beth Coulter wrote: >I wish to request nicely that the Marilyn Manson, Trent thread end here. >This is a Tori Amos list and altho' I respect your right to listen to >whoever you wish, in depth discussions of their talent or lyrics is >inappropriate here. >Thanks. >Fairy Blessings, >Bethey Almost every post I've seen so far about this has been Tori-related, so where's the problem? I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I've seen you ask on here that a thread be ended...if you don't like a thread, just hit "delete" and let everyone else discuss it. Besides, there are many times on this list when Ani DiFranco or Kate Bush are brought up...do you also have a problem with that? Cindy http://pw1.netcom.com/~cindyeld/file/action.htm "I rise above it all...never, never, never takin' the fall" "Earth Vs. Me" Powerman 5000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:15:06 GMT From: Alicia Subject: a trick and a kick Hello everybody.. I was looking inside my UtP CD booklet, trying to imagine how many people it would take to play Cornflake Girl, and I saw that in the list of instruments and people who played them, it said a Steve Clayton played the guitars and mandolin. Is there actually a Steve Clayton, or should that be Caton? I have no idea, I'm sure at least one of you knows. Please!!! This curiosity, it's killing me. The "message deciphering" topic is one of my favorites, because, Beth is right, it's so incredibly "thought provoking". To me, every time I listen to a Tori song for the first time, it's like the girl is telling me "come here, sit down and listen, I have something to share with you". And I don't understand it immediately, I have to think about it for a long time before I can fully understand what she's trying to communicate to me. It's like when your best friend tells you about a very difficult problem she has, and at first it's hard for you to understand because you've never had this problem yourself, so in order to be able to give her advice on how to deal with this problem, you need to imagine what it would be like to be in that person's place, I think that's the only way to get the complete meaning of what the person is trying to say, and what the girls in the songs are trying to say too. Yesterday I was with my mom in the car and I tried to make her understand Professional Widow (merry widow version) again (the last time I did that she said she hated it and all the screaming). My mom has a really short memory, so she didn't realize it was the same song she had hated so much, and when Tori began the "selling his baby said just like my daddy selling his baby" part, my mom asked "why is she screaming so much?" and I told her "she's very hurt, her father sold her!" and she said "oh really??" (she though I was talking about Tori) so I told her no, that that was the girl in the song so I tried to explain to her all my interpretation of it and she really liked it! You see, that's when I saw that all of the songs could be human, they all have a story to tell. And I don't think there's anything more fascinating than listening to other people's stories, thoughts, views, etc. And I mean I think there's ***NOTHING*** more fascinating than that. You can learn so much. Take lots of care, Alicia the margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:08:38 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: She's Your Cocaine 'She's Your Cocaine' and 'iieee' came out of a sense of loss and sacrifice. -- Tori Amos's bio, provided by Atlantic Records. From the Jam Online site http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/mar24_tori.html Well, I was thinking when I read this, and to *ME* it became sort of clear and the dust settled. I REPEAT, from this point on is *************MY SPECULATION, not FACT!!************* But maybe, 'She's Your Cocaine' is another girl about the aftershock of the miscarriage. After reading this as well as the Rumba article. Tori explained how she became so attached to her little one. "I had known from very early on -- within a week -- that I was pregnant. So I lived with the feeling and got attached to the soul that was coming in. And then at almost three months, I miscarried. It was a great shock to me, because I really thought I was out of the woods and I was really excited to be a mom." And above (first quote) explains that this song as well as "iiiee" deal with a sense of loss and sacrifice. And the metaphor (is that the right word?) of "She's Your Cocaine" becomes obvious. That Tori was so in love, so addicted to the thought of her baby and mommyhood. The thought of a little one gave her a fix and just knowing the little tyke would be there for her was like a drug high, figuratively speaking. After the miscarriage, that high was gone... and She needed more, her child was her addiction, her cocaine... and I am speculating that the song may be about that and the struggles of her sacrifice/loss. It's amazing. I applaud Mrs. Amos for her ability to share such emotional experiences through her work. I am looking very forward to the new album. On another side note, "This record got me through a real bad patch. But I can laugh with this record, and I can move my hips to this record, which is really good for me. It's very sensual -- that's the rhythm." I can't wait to get my hips moving! Ah yes, the VERY sensual Tori Amos. She's *MY* Cocaine! =D Thank You for the info Mike! - --Laura P.S. NOTE: This is my opinion, you don't have to agree, and remember ONLY YOU CAN DECIPHER TORI'S LYRICS to be the way you think they are! (I sound like Smoky the Bear ^_-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:13:34 EST From: LuCygrrrl Subject: tori in ny so i'm realizing that alot of girls in the ny area (joisy girls like me & the so on) are planning to go to the irving plaza show, and i don't know about the rest of ya but i'd be really interested in meeting some of you. so if u want, please e meal me seperately [not reply to this list] and we could get something going a little meeting mailing list, with descriptions of you & who'll you be with & a meeting place....xo beth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:01:20 PST From: "Nick Schutz" Subject: Replies and stuff... >Here are way to many songs I would love to see her cover- > >Nirvana-All Apologies How about Dumb?? But yeah, she would kick ass on All Apologies. Maybe Something in the Way?? >U2-Gloria This is a Van Morrison song. It seems that everybody in the free world (except Tori) has covered this. The Doors used to do a hell of a good version of it in concert, a total complete sexual version. >Prince-7 Oh yes. I have thought about this before. That is just an incredible song. >Talking about emotion and covers, I saw Tori's concert the >day after it was announced that Kurt has killed himself, and >her rendition of smells like teen spirit was to die for, >most people didn't recognise it at first, and then you just >'felt' this wave of recognition sweep through the hall... >fantastic! I thought it was pretty cool when she said "Jesus is at a Nirvana concert right now." >I'd also love to >hear her perform something by Jeff Buckley (r.i.p.)... maybe some of the >slower songs like "Lilac Wine". Few artists could pull if off, but like >Jeff, Tori has an "angelic" voice and really gets into the song she's >performing, so it would work. How about "Hallelujah"? You are right on about Jeff Buckley. All I've heard is that one song (Hallelujah) but it hit me, you know? >Even for the big tour maybe, we might just get the advance notice we need >to get good seats without having to battle at the box office or getting >burned by TicketBasterd. Pearl Jam tried to avoid the rip-offs and were >sorta successful (oh please, don't flood me with corrections about what a >fuck-up it was) in getting tickets to the fans. Right on for Pearl Jam. I have to admit that their recent music sucks (although their earlier stuff is really good), like this Wishlist song. Ugh, it's horrible. But they took a stand. Good for them. They DID make a difference. Ticketbastard had a monopoly on the industry and partly thanks to Pearl Jam, they don't anymore. >I'm sorry but I have to say it if Tori Amos EVER did a cover of Marylin >Manson I would die.... no first I would bawl for months and then I would >shrivel up and DIE!!!!! I can't really see her doing any Manson except for maybe Sweet Dreams and that's not really a Manson song. Wait a minute, she did do sweet dreams. Never mind. What she could do is incorporate parts of Manson songs or NIN or something into another song like "doesn't it make you feel better? the pigs have won tonight." That could be cool. Now wait a minute again, she did that too, with Hurt. I should just stop thinking now before I hurt myself. Nick ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:50:42 EST From: Adia 509 Subject: Re: honey? In a message dated 98-03-25 11:52:49 EST, melli023@uwsp.edu writes: << You mean to tell me that in Honey she is singing "youre just too used to my honey"?????????? NO WAY!!!!!! I thought she was saying "used to MONEY!"! Jeez, I guess that makes more sense, but I liked it better with "money"...I have an ex thats "too used to money"... Daisy melanie (who is hoping for a wedding song off of new album) >> Originaly I thought it was "your just to used to morning now", something about oversleeping, until I took a little look at her Bee-sides book for lyrics, and alas I was wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:02:28 -0500 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: please do this for me, a fellow tori fan :) ok let's start with saying I'm a Graphic Des. major in college, I love tori and have been listening to here since 8th grade blah blah blah I would like it if all of you would go to: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5738/index.html which is Dave's site, he is having the contest for the logo for his page... he so graciously put mine on the front page for now ... ( thanks Dave!!) VOTE!! even if it isn't for me, although that would be cool, but I mean I didn't even vote for me, I really like the one of tori's face and in really elegant letters it said Petals of a Blood Rose ( whoever did that =thumbs up), but it's a cool site, and everyone should vote :) I really babbled this time :( sorry I just got out of work and I'm exhausted..... - -Jenn :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Once you get to know sad... she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" - -Tori Amos - -Spin, 1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:48:25 -0700 From: allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox) Subject: Re: Replies and stuff... Nick said: >I can't really see her doing any Manson except for maybe Sweet Dreams >and that's not really a Manson song. Wait a minute, she did do sweet >dreams. Never mind. Are you talking about the cover he did of the Eurythmics "Sweet dreams," Cuz, if so, her "Sweet Dreams" is not the same song. I would love to hear a rendition of it, tho'. Warren _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:51:20 -0700 From: allthegirlshateher@juno.com (Warren C. Jaycox) Subject: Re: Tori's Changes Ally said: >I hated boys >for pele the first time i listened to it, but immediately I totally began to >love it. Its just hard to get used to different things. Thank you, Ally! I've been kinda embarrased to admit this be4 now, but I hated too. It took me two or three more listens to realize that it was the same old Tori, jus' different. I'm sure we'll see the same kinda reactions. Warren _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:34:54 PST From: "Nick Schutz" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #104 >I must say as a lover of Pearl Jam also....... definately tori should cover >black, my most fav. pj song ever :) Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Black is a damn good song, how about her doing Better Man?? >Who Wants To Live Forever-Queen I don't know what but she should do something by Queen, maybe "You're My Best Friend" or "Somebody to Love" or even "Bohemian Rhapsody," although I have to say that "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" is my favorite Queen song. >Desperado-Eagles My very own FATHER can do a version of this that can bring tears to your eyes, imagine what Tori could do. You know, she should do something by the Violent Femmes, but the mood would have to be right. It would have to be after a "happy" song, like Happy Phantom or something. I'd say the "Country Death Song" but that would freak out a lot of people. Hmmmm, "Good Feeling" maybe?? Any other Femmes fans out there??? How about "And She Was" by the Talking Heads?? Nick ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:46:11 +0800 From: sknauf@ibm.net Subject: Pre-order "From the Choirgirl Hotel" Sorry for posting again, but it seems that, not only can you pre-order "Spark" from some online stores... you can pre-order the entire record as well. I was browsing a couple of CD stores, and one of them already allows you to place an advance order for Tori's new CD (www.massmusic.com). I was a little surprised, 'cos I didn't expect pre-orders to be out this early (more than a month ahead?), but I'm sure it's happened before. sabrina ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #107 *************************************