From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #64 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- new music from tori amos. [Tasha325@aol.com] Upside Down Fanclub [Adam Mullet ] Never was a Cornflake Girl [Beth Coulter ] tori and NO dairy? [JoniDoe24@aol.com] Re: new music from tori amos. [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Upside Down Fanclub [Nadyne Mielke ] never was a cornflake girl...either [Rachel ] Re: Teens and Gen X'ers [ChinaDust@aol.com] Re: tori and NO dairy? [FlutterVxn@aol.com] RE: "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth [Chris Gladish ] Black Swan [Seraephina@aol.com] Re: tori and NO dairy? [Beth Coulter ] Re: album to buy [ChinaDust@aol.com] Nagano ["Dave and Melissa" ] Re: What is Tori Doing Now??? [Richard Handal ] Re: album to buy [Adam Mullet ] Tori Dream [Adia509@aol.com] Speaking of Cornflake Girls... [Adia509@aol.com] cd's... [Catherine Adria Hardison ] Tori on working with a band [Beth Coulter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:12:12 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: new music from tori amos. one more related question... is the 9 track "promo" cd "new music from tori amos" a boot? if not...about how much is it worth? thanks for all the input on pink earthquakes! tasha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:44:31 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: Upside Down Fanclub Does anyone know why "Upside Down" has turned right-side-up? What went wrong? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:11:01 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Never was a Cornflake Girl Like I ever possibly could!!! Way back in my Jr. High/High School days (back in the long ago and should be forgotten 70s) the *Cornflake Girls* were those sweet faced, California Dreams of Blond cheerleaders and homecoming queens. The girls who always got the _*best*_ titles in the yearbook. The ones everyone knew (or pretended to know) because they were the *Girls*--the ones all the surfers wanted to be hanging on, the ones all the jocks tried to get into bed *cause it was expected*, the ones who were just so perfect and loved to point out those who weren't. Enter me. I had a really weird name--first and last!--that makes Myra Amos sound like a usual name. It at least sounds like a girl. Not mine. Then of course was the fact that *I* was different. Very different. I went to three seperate grade schools, and three seperate High schools. You'd think in one of those schools I wouldn't automatically be marked as *different*, but I was. You know the kid in school--everyone, right now, think--The Kid nobody likes and who has no friends and if life is super boring, that person can provide entertainment with a little torment applied? I was that kid. If the school bully was having a rough time, well, I got the reward. If a school yard fight broke out over something stupid, well, someone would usually point me out and the whole school would unite against me. My biggest mistake is I never (read:Never) fought back. When I was in 10th grade, one of the *tuffies* called me out. I refused to even reply. She jumped me and I laid there and took it. Something in society calls out to people when there is one who doesn't conform and makes others want to attack it. It is common in all animals. There was a huge crowd watching me get my head pounded and did nothing. Finally she was pulled off of me by *her* friends, because they were afraid she would end up killing me. I stuck out like a sore thumb and just attracted people who wanted to use me to assage their own pain. So no, I never was a Cornflake Girl. I wasn't a Raisin Girl either. A Raisin Girl is one who would have stepped in--regardless of her *reputation*--to speak out in my defence, even tho' I didn't speak out on my own. So my definitions of Cornflake and Raisin Girls: The Cornflakes hang on to eachother to raise their self-esteem. The Raisins don't *need* anyone for their self-esteem. They found their own. Thanks to Tori, I am now proud to be a Raisin Girl--speaking out in the defence of those who cannot defend themselves. Fairy Blessings, Bethey - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** Know your Teachers, Learn all you Can, Then go Teach what you have Learned. That is the True Secret to Life. Beth Coulter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:43:18 EST From: JoniDoe24@aol.com Subject: tori and NO dairy? hardly, i have this interview with tori saying something along these lines (dont shoot me if the quote is wrong) "i've got some bagels coming!! (mumble mumble) and Cream Cheese and Butter" DJ: "butter? thats the kiss of death" Tori: "im going down happy" then something along these lines "girls... all i have to say is... the more to love" (if chicks are overweight..) >Wow!!! And I've read where she works out at the gym alot before starting a >tour and being real strict about her diet, like no dairy products (No Ice >Cream!!!) because it affects her voice. Before anyone asks me, no, I don't >know what the shoulder comment was in reference to. Perhaps one of the >great gods of Toriville will know what she is talking about. Mike? Richard? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:36:11 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: new music from tori amos. On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 Tasha325@aol.com wrote: > one more related question... > is the 9 track "promo" cd "new music from tori amos" a boot? > if not...about how much is it worth? It's a legit release, promo-only. The title is somewhat misleading, since there isn't an ounce of new material on it. It is somewhat rare, but its value is diminished because -all- the songs on it are very readibly available elsewhere: all are album tracks, except the b-side "Smells Like Teen Spirit" {-very- easily available}. I have two copies {accidentially}. I paid $15 for each of 'em. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:38:25 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Upside Down Fanclub On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Adam Mullet wrote: > Does anyone know why "Upside Down" has turned right-side-up? What went > wrong? I don't think that anyone beyond the owner of Upside Down could give yo an answer. From a fan's point of view, though, I can tell you that they suddenly stopped producing digests and failed to send merchandise {even though the cheques to purchase said merchandise were cashed}. Queries about this went unanswered for a -very- long period of time. In fact, some people are still attempting to get either merchandise or a refund out of the folks at Upside Down. {If you're in this boat, contact jofmoles@aol.com -- she, along with the Caldwells from RDT, are working to get this resolved.} /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:42:14 -0600 From: Rachel Subject: never was a cornflake girl...either *sigh* I guess I can't complain about my life all that much I know I've had it pretty easy compared to a lot of you out there... But I ALWAYS got picked on by the cornflake girls in middle school...god they were so cruel - I mean, I had NO friends because one of the c. girls decided to spread rumors about me in sixth grade... the middle school I went to was kind of small, well not really, but it was segregated, and in my section I'd been with the same hundred kids since kindergarten, and these kids thought they were the shit because they were thin and pretty and their mommies and daddies had money. So anyhow, somehow, miraculously, I made it through their awful rumours, their inviting me to parties only to say they never invited me and I crashed their parties (which made them hate me even more) and I got to high school...my self esteem was so low. I'd always been an overweight (well, fat) kid and I developed a (sort of - its hard to explain) eating disorder and lost 40 pounds in 3 months, that's a lot for a 13 year old...and then I became a raisin girl, not at first... but I met a girl named kelly my freshman year in h.s. who taught me how *not* to play the games like the cornflake girls did...and I became my own person...miraculously budding, like some kind of flower, while listening to Tori and playing my music and doing my art...I realized that I kind of liked who I was and it didn't matter what others thought... I'm still there now, a raisin girl that is, only I got to a point in my life where the self esteem was pretty high, its not that high anymore, since college is sincerely taking a toll on my well being...but its still there... and you know what? everyone hates those cornflake girls now... Rachel ************************************** Maybe I aint used to maybes smashing in a cold room... -Tori Amos http://batwoman.dyn.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:24:21 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: Teens and Gen X'ers Well, I'm 14 (HS Freshman), and I've been nearly obsessed over Tori since...um...I was 12 or 13 ( 8th grade?). I have to admit, I bought Boys for Pele because I thought Caught A Light Sneeze sounded cool and pretty. But, now, after listening to more of Tori's music, she's actually changed my mind, and helped to open up deeper levels in me, and it's been a magic carpet ride ever since. Eileen "Whenever 'A' attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon 'B', 'A' is most likely a scoundrel." - -- H. L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:20:10 EST From: FlutterVxn@aol.com Subject: Re: tori and NO dairy? yup :) i have that interview tape...i think its just called...damnit i dont know..heh...i was gonna say Interviews but that sounds not right....but yuh...on there she also says something about her Hymns and Icicle etc..from earlier posts. :) "they baptized me for 30 bloody years...they held my head way under baby.." but i think her exact words well..in one of the interviews anyway were..."im pretty good....im in NY city, i just flew in from london pretty late last night." radio grrrlie..."so yr pretty jet lagged?" "yuh but i got all these bagels coming...and im very excite..i got blueberry i got poppy seed, i got onion bagel and i just dont know-and all this cream cheese! and i just..." "no salmon?" "no salmon honey..i just want it hot and sweet..i mean im not interested in this dieting thing..i mean chicks- the more to love...thats all- im having butter..." "awe butter...thatll eat yr heart out (?)" "MMmmmm..Mmmm....but im goin smiling baby-im goin smilin!" hee...i was bored so i wrote all that....most of which was unneccessary considering the fact that most of you already have the cd anyway... just me kedren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:45:02 CST From: Chris Gladish Subject: RE: "Sister Janet" and the Tam Lin myth >of was "Sister Janet". So I must put out a question to all you EWF (two >actually): is "Sister Janet" in any way inspired by Tam Lin, and could you >post the lyrics so I can see for sure? There was a note in the program with >--Chelsea > Hmmm... interesting you should bring up a connection between the two... I've never even thought of it. And here I've even gone through the trouble in the past to put up web pages on both.... I suppose I could see a connection, if I force myself to, but even then it's still to shaky of a similarity to say definitively one way or another. But, so as you can draw your own conclusion, below my .sig you'll find the lyrics to Sister Janet as I have them, and to compare to Tam Lin, I got this page for it at http://cctr.umkc.edu/~cgladish/tamlin.html . I won't post the entire ballad because, though it's not extremely lengthy, it's still of a somewhat large size. Now, does anyone else out there have any opinions on the subject matter? Or perhaps some better info on what inspired her to write that song? - -Chris - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Church of Tori, The Regular Frankie Fan Club (RHPS in KC), The Ballad of Tam Lin, the Boffo List, and more: http://cctr.umkc.edu/~cgladish/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SISTER JANET Master Shamen I have come with my dolly from the shadow side with a demon and an Englishman I'm my mother I'm my son nobody else is slipping the blade in easy nobody else is slipping the blade in the marmalade All the angels all the wizards black and white are lighting candles in our hands can you feel them touching hands before our eyes and I can even see sweet (Marian/Maryanne/Marianne -- you pick ;) Sister Janet you have come from the woman clothed with the sun your veil is quietly becoming none call the Wanderer he has gone and all those up there are making it look so easy with your perfect wings a wing can cover all sorts of things ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:21:41 -0700 From: Dave Woodson Subject: gen-x Len wrote: >Where are my fellows Gen X'ers (people born between 1966-1976)? If you are >a teens I would like to hear from you and find out why you guy like her so >much, and Gen X'ers I need to hear from someone my generation. I was born in '64, but if I was to identify myself with a generation, it would be the x-ers, not the boomers. I don't know if there's anything inbetween, but I was only a little kid in the '60's. The 70's and 80's meant a lot more to me. I was in the KISS Army, I listened to punk and new wave when it was new, I remember the original cast of SNL and I got Pat Benatar, Devo and Blondie Albums on vinyl for Christmas. So what's two years? Of course, I've never put much stock in age as determining one's peer group. I've met teenagers I have more in common with than a lot of people my age, and I've had friends quite a bit older than me too. >By the way, I am 25 and God with a Big G (Tori Amos) is the best. And there's something that Toriphiles of all generations can agree on :) - -Dave "Everybody that comes into contact with us, once they realize the Spice Girls are human beings, they get a different view of what we're about" - -Geri Halliwell [Ginger Spice] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:42:55 EST From: Seraephina@aol.com Subject: Black Swan hey, while we're on the topic of songs and their origins... is black swan taken from a sylvia plath poem?? xoxo emi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:38:05 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: tori and NO dairy? At 08:43 PM 2/18/98 EST, you wrote: >hardly, i have this interview with tori saying something along these lines >(dont shoot me if the quote is wrong) "i've got some bagels coming!! (mumble >mumble) and Cream Cheese and Butter" >DJ: "butter? thats the kiss of death" >Tori: "im going down happy" > >then something along these lines "girls... all i have to say is... the more to >love" (if chicks are overweight..) > > >>Wow!!! And I've read where she works out at the gym alot before starting a >>tour and being real strict about her diet, like no dairy products (No Ice >>Cream!!!) because it affects her voice. Yes, I have the same interview. Actually, and I apoligize for not making this clear, she does the working out and diet while recording and pre-tour to build up. I got this info from an article written by Judy Reynolds in "Upside Down, Issue 1". During the tour, I think it's all stops out. I apoligize again for not making it clear originally. Fairy Blessings, Beth **************************************************************************** ***** "We are all in the gutter, But some looking at the stars." -Oscar Wilde- "Now is no time to think of what you do not have. Think of what you can do with what there is." - Ernest Hemingway- Know your Teachers, Learn all you Can, Then go Teach what you have Learned. For That is the True Secret to Life. - -Beth Coulter- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:59:38 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: album to buy well, it's a VERY personal thing. most toriphiles i know of liked Little Earthquakes best. i can't say the same. my favorite of all is Boys for Pele, which is also the one I started with. i would recommend listening to a few clips each from each album and figuring out which is your style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:09:12 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Nagano Hey all~ I was watching the freestyle aerial ski portion of the Olympics last night and they played a clip...be it a short one, of Tori's Cornflake girl. I was so excited! Just had to share! BUB-BY :-) MELISSA~H **************************************************************************** ******* " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: What is Tori Doing Now??? Beth Coulter posted-- > This is from "Upside Down Fanzine, Issue #4", excerpt from article > written by Tori Amos~*You're Such A Lovely Audience, We'd Like To Take > You Home, We'd Love to Take You Home.* [excerpt deleted] Yeah, that's good for giving some appreciation for what she goes through on tour. Some of that seemed to vary in detail on the DDI tour than as she described it on the UtP tour, but surely it was always in a state of flux anyway, even on the UtP tour. While many of us crave details and seem to want to pin things down, she typically speaks in hyperbole and simplified generalizations. She doesn't want to get bogged down in interviews with lots of specifics. > Wow!!! And I've read where she works out at the gym alot before > starting a tour and being real strict about her diet, like no dairy > products (No Ice Cream!!!) because it affects her voice. It's funny how much private mail I've done about this dairy thing over the past couple of years. All I know is I can read these quotes from reviews up on Mike Whitehead's website. ___________________________________________________________________ http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/touroct.html#littlerock Tori's Performance In Little Rock Arkansas, October 13 From a personal email kindly sent to me by Molly Marguerite (mb3263@cub.uca.edu) This was my second time to see Tori in concert (I also saw her in Jackson Mississippi also). This show I enjoyed so much more. I was sitting on the second row a little left of center but not enough to make a difference. Tori seemed hyper and extremly emotional ( she mentioned that she had had 6 cappicinos in last four hours) so maybe it was the caffine. She did talk alot more telling us stories before many of the songs. [...] ___________________________________________________________________ And this one from someone else for that same show: >From a personal email kindly sent to me by Brian Findley, The AngryBeast (AngryBeast@aol.com) [...] CORNFLAKE GIRL -- she told about a coffee shop in downtown Little Rock where she'd been getting cappucinos constantly for 24 hours. [...] ___________________________________________________________________ Although these two people attended the same show and seem to have conflicting reports about the details (which is why such reports are best eyed with a certain amount of skepticism), it does seem clear that Tori was drinking milk products that day. Tori gave up caffeine at one point during the UtP tour. That doesn't mean she never had caffeine ever again, even though at some point during the UtP tour she said she had to give up caffeine. Tori's a very fluid, roll-with-the-punches type of person. I wouldn't take anything she says she's doing at any given moment to mean she'll never change again when she feels like it. Anything we hear, even from her own lips, is nothing more than a snapshot. Of all people, things Tori Amos says she is going to do or not do are not writ in stone. She's a very responsive person. If she thinks her problem with dairy is improved, or not exacerbated by an odd day here and there of drinking some milk in a pile of coffee or something then she's gonna do it. > Before anyone asks me, no, I don't know what the shoulder comment was in > reference to. Perhaps one of the great gods of Toriville will know what > she is talking about. Mike? Richard? And speaking of hyperbole! :-) I know of no specific thing about her shoulder that this might refer to. I would make an edumacated guess that she needs to keep upper body strength and stay limber so she can remain in control of her piano, rather than the reverse. She's only 5'2" tall and it's 9' long. Maybe someone else has something more to add about this. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:32:08 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: Re: album to buy During an interview about her new album (sorry, I don't remember which one), Tori said that LE, UTP and BFP were a trilogy. Wouldn't it make sense to start at the beginning? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:05:14 EST From: Adia509@aol.com Subject: Tori Dream I had this dream way back in 96 where I was watching some sort of music channel and there was Tori, in a bright white video with her dressed up in a French maid's uniform singing Proffesional Widow (original version) and she was tearing through this mansion, opening drawers and throwing everything around while she was singing "starfucker, just like my daddy". I must add I had this dream before she came out with the real video came out. I think my dream was some sort of commentary on class but then again you can't be too shure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:12:59 EST From: Adia509@aol.com Subject: Speaking of Cornflake Girls... 1. I always thought of myself as a dried-cherry girl. (I was never fond of eating raisens) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Adria Hardison Subject: cd's... is there any place where i can find a discography/book list of everything tori??? i wish to complete my collection, but whenever i go to the music store, it's everything i already have... - ------------------ kate hardison hardic2@rpi.edu 'they were digging a new foundation in manhattan and they discovered a slave cemetery there may their souls rest easy now that lynching is frowned upon and we've moved on to the electric chair' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:54:30 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Tori on working with a band > > > From: "Mike Harris" > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:53:36 GMT-5 Hey everyone! I found this looking through the *Fairy Tales Web Site* There are some wonderful interviews and reviews dating back to Tori's Washington Club days. It's at: http://stuff.to/tori/tales/index.html > THE TORI PAPERS #8: TORI'S APPEARANCE ON CFNY RADIO (TORONTO) > Transcribed by Mike Harris > > This is a transcription from a camcorder recording of Tori's > appearance on a radio show conducted on CFNY, FM102.1 in Canada. > Most of the stuff spoken without a microphone was audible but > incomprehensible due to crowd noise. There was about four hundred > people within the studio, and many other people crowded outside the > studio's window. Tori wore a gray vest over a dark blue shirt, with > black lipstick. > *The question from the DJ is if she is going to continue going solo on tours* > TORI: Um, if, um, I'm gonna do a band scene, it's got to be really, > really, really right. There, there, it changes the whole intimacy > level: it's not like I'm in your living room anymore. Albeit, maybe, > a very big living room! But, still, it's very different when it's > just you and me. 'Cause then I'm--it's between *us*. And I feel > like right now if I had five people walk on stage that it would feel > a bit like "Who are they?". It would be a little bit of an intrusion > because of the emotional level, and it's very important that the > audience is able--you know, it should be your time to be anything you > want sitting in your chair. You should call your monsters forth, you > should call all those different sides of yourself, and, and, and you > don't feel, like, weird. I mean, I should be like family now for > some people. [Murmurs of agreement.] So that it's--I have no > judgement. My God, if you see what I'm bringing every night, you, > you won't think twice about stuff you can bring. Now I found this quote worth sharing because in my opinion, it tells us there is going to be a different Tori this time around. Perhaps the small, intimate moments won't be the same when she takes the stage. This is interesting, following our fairy's journey and watching her growth. At least it is for me. Fairy Blessings, Bethey - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** Know your Teachers, Learn all you Can, Then go Teach what you have Learned. That is the True Secret to Life. Beth Coulter ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #64 ************************************