From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #54 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Kate Bush [Len Demby ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Kate Bush [Len Demby ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Kate Bush [Len Demby ] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Kate Bush [Len Demby ] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Kate Bush [Len Demby ] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [MoIIy@aol.com] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Brian the Lion ] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Brian the Lion ] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Hey! Guess What? [NaughtyEmp@aol.com] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Liz ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Brian the Lion ] Re: Kate Bush [JoniDoe24@aol.com] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [-= Robyn Hode =- ] Argh!! [JLee833093@aol.com] Technical Difficulties [lilchibi@flash.net] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Brian the Lion ] Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO [Liz ] Re: Kate Bush [JoniDoe24@aol.com] Sorry about that! [Mikewhy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Kate Bush Am I the only Tori Amos fan that has never heard a Kate Bush's song. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Kate Bush Am I the only Tori Amos fan that has never heard a Kate Bush's song. Len ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Kate Bush Am I the only Tori Amos fan that has never heard a Kate Bush's song. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Kate Bush Am I the only Tori Amos fan that has never heard a Kate Bush's song. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:42:53 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Kate Bush Am I the only Tori Amos fan that has never heard a Kate Bush's song. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST From: MoIIy@aol.com Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. - --MoIIy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > --MoIIy I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... but don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as God.... I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her sentiments totally become a bad person.... for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to live.... though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > --MoIIy I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... but don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as God.... I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her sentiments totally become a bad person.... for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to live.... though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:16:49 EST From: NaughtyEmp@aol.com Subject: Hey! Guess What? Hiyas all, I am so impressed with the whole Space Dog thing. It has always been one of my most favorite Tori songs. Not that any of you would care, but I am a bartender in a local bar in central Florida. Since I am the newest there the manager let me pick out the CDs to go in the jukebox. Needless to say, we now have three Tori CDs in there! ::dance:: Can ya guess which one is played everytime I get over there? ::dance:: Just thought I'd let ya know, I'm doing my very own Space Dog campaign. Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:19:23 -0900 (AKST) From: Liz Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I think this is the third time Ive gotten this same message, along with quite a few of the previous ones. Anyone else having this problem? On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Brian the Lion wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > > > --MoIIy > > I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... > > I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... > > but > > don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori > is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is > how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as > God.... > > I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was > dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a > fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. > > Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that > for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her > sentiments totally become a bad person.... > > for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i > don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to > live.... > > though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her > book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here > ---------------------- > Brian the Lion > bos197@soton.ac.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > --MoIIy I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... but don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as God.... I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her sentiments totally become a bad person.... for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to live.... though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:32:49 EST From: JoniDoe24@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush i havent heard any of her songs either... the first time i heard her name was when my friends step-moms name was that, and someone thought it was funny and i didnt know why (who? kate bush?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:34:26 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. Good point. Also, when a person doesn't trust another's word, it often shows how much that person trusts oneself. In Tori's case, it is more than evident that she is putting her heart into something that is part of her and something she can educate people about because of the status she now has. Everyone should be skeptical about things in life, but for a person to outright condemn a person for her courageous work, it is similar to like people condemning Lady Di for her work on land mines. I think when women in general take an assertive role, many men feel inferior intead of feeling equal, especially in many backward socieities and social circles where women are still viewed as objects and property of men. Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:54:23 EST From: JLee833093@aol.com Subject: Argh!! Why the hell are all these postings being repeatedly sent to people 2, 3, 4 times??? Peeved, Joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:04:18 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Technical Difficulties Liz! Yeah I was just about to comment on that! I have gotten a zillion of the exact same messages for stuff like: Mike's sorry and the Tori Rape thing and the Kate Bush thing Weird... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > --MoIIy I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... but don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as God.... I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her sentiments totally become a bad person.... for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to live.... though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:19:23 -0900 (AKST) From: Liz Subject: Re: sTORIed Rape:PART TWO I think this is the third time Ive gotten this same message, along with quite a few of the previous ones. Anyone else having this problem? On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Brian the Lion wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:38 EST MoIIy@aol.com wrote: > > > I feel the same way about the Rape thing. Tori was raped. There's no doubt > > about it. And if you doubt her for one second, you are not a devoted Tori fan. > > I know she would be hurt to read that one of her "fans" doesn't believe her. > > I'm sorry, but don't call yourself a fan if you don't believe every last word > > that woman says. Why would she ever lie about something as serious as rape? > > Answer me that one. That's all I have to say. > > > > --MoIIy > > I think a deviding line needs to be drawn... > > I am 100% that Tori is telling the truth.... > > but > > don't we need to distinguish 100% between believing that tori > is telling the truth in everything she says(which is how is > how i see it) and simply accepting everything she says as > God.... > > I don't think she'd feel to happy if she felt like she was > dictating to us all how to live, 'cos she's put up such a > fight against people who blindly accept words as the truth.. > > Yes, i too believe she was raped-i am not questioning that > for a fact, but does anyman who does not agree with her > sentiments totally become a bad person.... > > for a woman who has great belief in self-determination, i > don't think she'd like to feel she was telling us all how to > live.... > > though saying that, if the average jo took a leaf out of her > book thing s might be one hell of a lot nicer round here > ---------------------- > Brian the Lion > bos197@soton.ac.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:32:49 EST From: JoniDoe24@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush i havent heard any of her songs either... the first time i heard her name was when my friends step-moms name was that, and someone thought it was funny and i didnt know why (who? kate bush?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:20:06 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Sorry about that! I just want to apologize if I confused anybody! I responded to a post that I *thought* had been sent to Precious Things, though it turns out it was only sent to me because that person was not subscribed to Precious things. So that post never made it here. The post concerned the issue of rape and was questioning Tori's integrity. It angered me and so I responded. Sorry if I confused anyone! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #54 ************************************