From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #49 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori and Jewel [Adia509@aol.com] My favorite hooker of the whole bunch [forsythia_in_the_spam@juno.com (DU] How dare they say Tori is a wannabe! go ahead and read and get pissed [] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #47 ["Sullen Girl" ] Pretty girl...do you hate her because she stole pieces of Tori... [Adam ] Re: Pretty girl...do you hate her because she stole pieces of Tori... [Ad] correction [JupiterCMS@aol.com] Re: precious-things [Beth Coulter ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #48 [UrIceMaidn@aol.com] Fave song . .. [becky ] Re: How dare they say... [HaughtyGrl@aol.com] Re: Fave Tori song [Phyllis Lynn Spiece ] Re: Fave Tori song [Phyllis Lynn Spiece ] Re: GE, Recovering Christians, etc. [Casey Christian ] Y Kant Tori Read [Tori805@aol.com] Re: How dare they say... [Richard Handal ] Re: Y Kant Tori Read [woj ] Re: How dare they say... [Sam Free <106247.2224@compuserve.com>] Re: Barbados quote? [Lil3rthqks@aol.com] tori on cbs. [Cindy26471@aol.com] Fav Songs and places to live [Beth Coulter ] favorite songs [rain ] yeah yeah yeah [rain ] My Fave Tori's Girls [lilchibi@flash.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:41:59 EST From: Adia509@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori and Jewel I felt that there is a bit of Tori influence in Jewel, but i never felt that she was trying to rip Tori off. And yes, I am a fan of Jewel. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:35:40 -0600 From: forsythia_in_the_spam@juno.com (DUST A BUNNY) Subject: My favorite hooker of the whole bunch Hello you Happy Phantoms, I hope I am not too late for my favorite song. But yes, it is LITTLE EARTHQUAKES. Argh! This song just makes me cry. Especially when I watch her perform it on the Little Earthquakes video thingy. I can't explain it. It just reminds me too much of myself. But isn't that silly. I am not Tori, I am only Icabah Crane. Sure, that's it. . . I liked that Hey Jupiter for awhile, but I need variety. Well have you all a nice day. Buh-bye. I, the Fly "Men have periods too, they just don't bleed..." - -Tori Amos _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:43:37 -0600 From: forsythia_in_the_spam@juno.com (DUST A BUNNY) Subject: How dare they say Tori is a wannabe! go ahead and read and get pissed Hello you Agent Oranges, Well I got Sundays paper on my ever so lovely driveway to find an appalling review of the Great Expectations Soundtrack. But hey, I shall let you all decide for yourselves. I am not going to type the whole bloody thing for I am damn tired and I need to visit Sandman desperately. Anywho, this is what Bruce Westbrook has to say about Tori: ". . . They include Siren, an urgent song performed by Tori Amos at her Kate-Bush wannabe best and lyrical worst ("Handy almost Brave almost pregnant almost in love VANILLA.") Amos also sings the song for Finn, Doyle's ethereal and lovely theme for Ethan Hawke's character." And at the end he says this about Tori: "Also impressive is Lauren Christy's Walk This World Alone, a pop-rocker with an intriguing hook and a romantic intensity in line with that of Amos." More negative things about Tori than positive, but I guess you can't win them all. To each their own opinion. At least he gave the album a *** on a scale of * to **** (four being best of course). Well I am done sharing for today. Take care. Buh-bye. Me, the Flea "Men have periods too, they just don't bleed..." - -Tori Amos _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:15:10 PST From: "Sullen Girl" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #47 first and foremost.... THIS: >well, God, I mean, they all evoke >emotions of different kinds in me like a Space Dog liking its bowl >thinking, "Hey Jupiter, I'd rather be eating from a Baker Baker or a >Cornflake Girl in Little Amsterdam." That's usually how I rate >whether >a piece of work or art is 'good,' like the vases in China or at my >Mother's house because she has so many Precious Things, even though >it >is dusty there Way Down, and I last time I went, I Caught a Lite >Sneeze.. >Enough is enough.. I'm now Putting The Damage On all of you... cracked me up! thanks for making me smile! :) okay...here are my favorite tori songs... LE=Crucify UTP=Yes, Anastasia BFP=Putting the Damage On other=Sister Janet If i HAD to choose one, i'd have to say Putting the Damage On. i cannot explain what it is. that song just hit a nerve somewhere inside me. Crucify...i've only been "into" tori for a year or so. my first cd was LE. i was going through a lot of...stuff. the lyrics just hit home during all that. yes, anastasia is another that just struck a chord inside me. when i heard sister janet for the first time and heard the line "and i can even see sweet marianne... " i nearly cried. i do not know WHY. it was just so...sweet. i dunno.... 'kay. 'tis all for now. --->jackie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:26:29 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: How dare they say Tori is a wannabe! go ahead and read and get pissed D-: Ooooh! Kill the critics! There's a difference between critiquing Tori and insulting her just for the hell of it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:27:32 EST From: Adia509@aol.com Subject: Jewel and Boys for Pele Jewel couldn't have ripped off that aalbum, being that Pieces of You was released 2 years before Boys for Pele! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:40:33 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: How dare they say Tori is a wannabe! Me, the Flea Me, the Flea wrote: >Well I got Sundays paper on my ever so lovely driveway to find an >appalling review of the Great Expectations Soundtrack. Call me curious, but could you please tell us the name of the paper that has this review in it, and the city that paper is in? Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:59:33 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: I just made a new friend! Sorry if this is more information about my life than any of you care to read, but I'm so excited I just have to share! Tonight was my second night at The Body Shop, and I met Carla, an employee I hadn't worked with until this evening. As I was working at the cash register, she waltzed up to me, my Pretty Good Year single in hand, with a kind of "Now-I've-figured-you-out" kind of smile on her face. She asked me if the cd was mine, and when I said it was, she started to talk a little bit about Tori. At first I thought she might be one of those people that says they like Tori, but the only album they have is LE and they heard Corflake Girl on the radio like, twice (you know the type, right?... oh, and they just *love* Sarah "Maghlauflin"). So anyway, we started to talk a little more, and before I knew it we were playing Tori Jeopardy! It turns out she actually talked to Tori on the phone about four years ago. She was in a dance class, and the teacher would play B-sides while they leaped around the room (kind of like how I envision heaven to be). At the end of the semester they wanted to do a public show, so they wrote to Arthur for permission to use Tori as their music. They received a very nice letter granting them the rights, and then one day during rehearsal they got a surprise phone call from Tori! Carla said she seemed so honored that they were dancing to her music, and that she wished them well at the show. Isn't that just like Tori? So now Carla and I are making plans to take over the store and use the space as a public Tori shrine. I think every mall could use one. So like I said earlier, you southern California EWF (and I know there must at least be a few of you), stop by the store and Carla or I will make sure Tori is playing for you. Excited because I've been listening to Honey and Black Swan all night, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:58:22 -0800 From: Adam Mullet Subject: Pretty girl...do you hate her because she stole pieces of Tori... Okay, I can't say that I see a whole lot of Tori in Jewel. I do have some respect for the woman (there, now I'm not pissing anyone off), and I think that she seems to be sure enough of herself to not (consciously, at least) copy Tori. But there is someone out there, lurking, that does seem to have her eye on Tori. Did anyone else see Paula Cole on SNL last night? (Sorry you non-USAers - if it makes you feel any better you didn't miss much). The way she sat on that piano bench, the way she sang, her pants, and even her belt!! Everything reminded me of Tori. Now maybe I'm just have my eyes open because of the whole Jewel debate going on, but I think I saw some serious similarities between the two women. Am I using my imagination too much, or did anyone else see this? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 05:00:28 EST From: Adia509@aol.com Subject: Re: Pretty girl...do you hate her because she stole pieces of Tori... How do we even know that Jewel even listens to Tori? Anyway, if she did I think it would be more obvious, only one song (Little Sister) comes near to it but I think most of Jewel's inlfuences must have come from folk music. And I must add, Pieces of You came out in 94, 2 years before Boys for Pele so I find it ridicules to say Jewel ripped off that album. For all we know, Tori might have been influenced by Jewel instead of the other way around. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:40:40 EST From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: correction Ok everybodie...the Jewel song that i meant to type was FOOLISH GAMES...I'm really sorry for the mixup..& i'm sorry if i caused any confusion or conflicts..i really dont like jewel...but all of you guys that do.its ok. peace out~ Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:37:50 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: precious-things Hey Mike! At 09:31 AM 2/8/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Beth, >Was that the first time you have seen PT performed live? Actually, she did it on the UtP tour, but it was very much like she does on the album. PT really started to evolve (I understand) during the DDI tour. Seems the DDI tour >live version affected most people strongly (though I think you more so than >some). PT has *always* caused strong emotions within me, since I first heard it in '92. It tells me a story that I'm familer with (my interp of course), and just pushes one of those damned buttons on me. When I heard her perform the ending like that (actually the way the ending should be considering the pain of the song *IMHO*) in NYC, it, well, I guess it solidified all the feelings with which I've become associated. It to me was a song of pain. All of a sudden, Tori confirmed that to me by expressing *her* pain. And considering I was but one of quite a few pale/green faced girls (women, Ladies, whatever) in the restroom, I believe that others were *just* as affected. *a side note--my best friend was actually angry that Tori let loose all that pain and anguish, she said it was like abreacting in front of all of us. She hasn't felt the same for Tori since, altho' she is still a Fan.* > But Tori is great for those of us who are not scared of letting our- >selves live near the edge to appreciate her art (and life in general). >That's the most important thing Tori has taught me. > I agree 100% with you. That's why I listen to Tori as often (and as intensely) as I do. Tori helps me find that edge, dance along it, face the abyss below and I know that her voice is the rope I can climb up should I fall all the way in. So Tori has taught me this important thing also. Just because I have a negitive reaction to a song (PW-Merry Widow Mix does the same to me) doesn't mean that It is a negitive song or way of singing it. It just means that I'm a little closer to that edge than I am comfortable with at the moment. And I always appriciate a little warning before being plunged into emotional sieges (like that's realistic!!!) Thanks for writing and letting me understand your thoughts and more clearly express mine. Gawd, I love the 'net!!! Fairy Blessings, Beth ******************************************************************** "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:12:01 EST From: UrIceMaidn@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #48 My most favorite Tori song is Winter. Certain songs have gotten me through a lot of non-fun times, but this is the song about my first Love. Every line of this song is perfect for us. This winter i talked to him in the first time in 4 years, and we talked about everything. We got closure. Afterward i forwarded him the lyrics. whether he understood or not, it meant so very much to me. "Hair is gray and the fires are burning So many dreams on the shelf You say i wanted you to be proud of me I always wanted that myself" We completed the song that day - -VanApple(GG) "Part of it is loneliness and knowing how to steal But most of it is weariness from standing up trying not to kneel."-Woolhat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:50:43 -0500 From: becky Subject: Fave song . .. You know, my favorite song changes with every passing day . . . but, lately, I've been liking "Upside Down", "Flying Dutchman", and "Hey, Jupiter: Dakota Version". I love all of her songs at various times but I've been into her B-Sides these days. Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:55:39 EST From: HaughtyGrl@aol.com Subject: Re: How dare they say... << D-: Ooooh! Kill the critics! >> Yes! I SO agree! After reading almost a hundred Tori newspaper articles, concert reviews, and album reviews for my term paper, I am ready to swear off magazines forever! I think the worst reviews were from the British magazine Melody Maker. Out of six or so that I read (concert or album), I would say that four were ripping her apart. One especially awful quote came from Neil Kulkarne's quote from January 20, 1996 in Melody Maker. "Tori is the middle- class, bored, lazy retreat from political responsibility and urgency into the dead-end of introspection so characteristic of the American Artist (spit)." There were good reviews of her too, and those were the ones that I mostly copied down. But I bet I had a mean look on my face half the time I was researching. Grrrrrrrr! Bye! - ----HaughtyGrl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:43:41 -0500 From: Phyllis Lynn Spiece Subject: Re: Fave Tori song Well, I have been out of ton and now that I caught up to all my mail, let me answer this one... My faves (These are subject to change by tomorrow!) off Little Earthyquakes: Happy Phantom off a LE single: Flying Dutchman off Under the Pink: Pretty Good Year off Boys for Pele: Mohammed my Friend Cover: Purple Rain This weekend me and my friend did a radio show at school. The battle of the sexes: Tori vs. Billy Joel. It was sooo much fun! Hearing Tori on the radio was neato :) That's all for now, *Tori hugs* Phyllis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:43:41 -0500 From: Phyllis Lynn Spiece Subject: Re: Fave Tori song Well, I have been out of ton and now that I caught up to all my mail, let me answer this one... My faves (These are subject to change by tomorrow!) off Little Earthyquakes: Happy Phantom off a LE single: Flying Dutchman off Under the Pink: Pretty Good Year off Boys for Pele: Mohammed my Friend Cover: Purple Rain This weekend me and my friend did a radio show at school. The battle of the sexes: Tori vs. Billy Joel. It was sooo much fun! Hearing Tori on the radio was neato :) That's all for now, *Tori hugs* Phyllis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:11:16 -0600 From: Casey Christian Subject: Re: GE, Recovering Christians, etc. > but... have you read the book by charles dickens? i found the movie to > follow pretty closely with the 'spirit' of the original; updated > nonetheless. personally, i know plenty of people who follow this sort > of pattern and found the movie to be both cinematically incredible, esp. the bits in florida> and lyrically beautiful, if tragic > in its storyline. i would recommend the movie to all. I agree. The original book was one of my favorite novels I read in high school. So, I was naturally a little worried about what the "update" would do. But I think they did a great job with keeping the essence of the story in tact while still making it a sweeping, beautiful film. I too would recommend it to all. Cheers, Casey - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- casey@tisd.net http://www.tisd.net/~casey/ "If I shed a tear, I won't cage it ... if I feel a rage I won't deny it ... I won't fear love" - -Sarah McLachlan "I have my own parties. They involve being barefoot with a piece of fried chicken and a margarita in each hand." - -Tori Amos - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:33:19 EST From: Tori805@aol.com Subject: Y Kant Tori Read Okay, I'm really excited... I just picked up Y Kant Tori Read for $40! But I was wondering - it says "made in Germany" on the case, and there are no lyrics inside. There are the pics of her with the sword, etc., but that is all. Is it possible that this is not an original album? Could this be a copy? Anyway, whether this is real or not, there was another copy of it at the store, and I'm willing to go pick it up for someone if they want me to. Just let me know via private email. I'll just need a check for the cost of the album and postage (american dollars). thanks, sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: How dare they say... HaughtyGrl said: > I think the worst reviews were from the British magazine Melody Maker. Yeah, those nasty ones seem to be written by people who think they're being clever. Sometimes even real music critics who know what they're talking about descend into that. They think they're being clever. I find it to be an utter waste of time, and lose respect for a writer--or anyone, for that matter--whenever I see something like that. I don't let it bother me since it's obviously the writer's own personal problem. I'm like, "Okay, fine. [yawn]" Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:55:27 -0500 From: woj Subject: Re: Y Kant Tori Read also sprach Tori805@aol.com: >I just picked up Y Kant Tori Read for $40! But I was wondering - it says >"made in Germany" on the case, and there are no lyrics inside. There are the >pics of her with the sword, etc., but that is all. Is it possible that this >is not an original album? Could this be a copy? this is a bootleg. jason bilsky's yktr faq has all the details. it's on the web at . woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:27:00 -0500 From: Sam Free <106247.2224@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: How dare they say... Here's another quote on Tori from the press for you all ... "Her songs, though bathed in the cold sweat of domestic rows, the traumas= of pregnancy, the fragility of childhood dreams, etc, are beautifully, classically constructed, recoiling and attacking with feline grace. A joy= to behold , in spite of the pain." And where is this from? Melody Maker, 12 Oct 91 =2E.. So how fickle are we British once someone becomes successful ;) Sam, = London ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:48:56 EST From: Lil3rthqks@aol.com Subject: Re: Barbados quote? In a message dated 98-02-08 03:56:49 EST, reid@thegrid.net writes: << > Does anyone know about the quote Tori had about why, after writing "Me And > A Gun", she could never go to Barbados? Please email it to me privately. >> i'd like to know, too. if it's on-topic, why not post it to the list? oh, well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:02:50 EST From: Cindy26471@aol.com Subject: tori on cbs. i know this isnt very significant, but thought some of you might be interested... i was watching the CBS nightly news friday night and they were discussing the olympics. and they showed a tiny (5 sec) clip of michelle kwan skating to "winter". it was very short but still very exciting. also, in one of the weekly alt. newspapers around here(birmingham, al), the music critic named both LE and UtP as two of his favorite alternative albums since 1972. - -cindy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:53:58 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Fav Songs and places to live > >Black Swan lets me visit a past life I never knew I had. I don't know >what it is about the song, but I just get shivers sometimes... >"Gumdrops and Saturdays, did Eric call, by the way?" It's the >simplicity of it all. > >Adam > I moved into my first, very own (not shared with a mate) apartment last June. I loved all the Tori references that surrounded me. Within my front yard (across the street) is an old "Graveyard", My landlord has a farmhouse with a pond that has year round flocks of geese, mallard ducks and two beautiful "Black Swans". In the backyard is a golf course, dairy farm and cherry orchard. The orchard is run and worked by Old Jim, a cherry picker, of course. He's sick now and his son plans to sell, so I guess I'll be saying "Toodles, Mr. Jim". I keep warning you all that I'm clinically insane. :) But I love to tell people (EwF) that I live in the Beesides Schoolhouse (yep, a real life early 1900s 3 story schoolhouse). BTW-Black Swans are really, super mean and are better than Pit Bulls at protecting property. Yes, a voice of experience! Fairy Blessings, Beth ******************************************************************** "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:13:55 -0800 From: rain Subject: favorite songs over it, mother, yes anastasia, beauty queen, marianne (live only),ect.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:58:29 -0800 From: rain Subject: yeah yeah yeah yes as a matter of fact i have read the book great expectations and found it to be a devine piece of literature. the movie butchered it, as i previousely stated. good day. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:25:43 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: My Fave Tori's Girls well... this is a tuffy! I guess I could narrow it down to a few on each album. Let's see... LE: Precious things, and Mother UtP: God, Pretty Good Year BfP: Blood Roses, Muhammed my Friend, and Marianne Cover: SOmewhere over the Rainbow Is it just me that really REALLY likes her cover of the imfamous childrens song, Somewhere over the Rainbow? I really love Judy Garland and all her work, and It brought tears to my eyes to hear Tori reencact childhood memories. To have two great works of art combined into one.......... oh...... it still makes me teary eyed =~) So I may also be missing something, but what is the CONNECTION Tori has with Judy Garland.... PT,"and Judy Garland taking Buddah by the hand.." This has always puzzeld me, DOES ANYBODY KNOW?! Laura ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #49 ************************************