From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #41 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, February 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Poppy [Beth Coulter ] Re: age of tori's aundience [FlutterVxn@aol.com] "Live From NY" video conversions [agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby)] Tori Cups! *L* ["robyn" ] Re: little person....end of tori's career? [lilchibi@flash.net] Silent Concerts [lilchibi@flash.net] 1998 Tori Calendar [lilchibi@flash.net] Tori and Jed [Marguerite Bass ] Re: Silent Concerts [Mikewhy ] Myra?! ["DAVID .E ROWE" ] Re: Silent Concerts [-= Robyn Hode =- ] The orange "Boys For Pele" promo book.. ["Mike Gray" ] An apology. Please read everyone. ["Mike Gray" Subject: Poppy > >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:49:45 EST >From: ChinaDust@aol.com >Subject: What DID Tori call her grandfather, anyway? > >Okay, so I've heard that the "Poppy" in "Yes, Anastasia" is a girl, Tori calls >her grandfather "Pappy," and the "Poppy" in "Frog On My Toe" is still in >dubious identity. The T.O.R.I page says (on "Frog On My Toe"): "Nothing. I've >never heard or read about Tori commenting on this song. It is, however, a >tribute to her grandfather whom she called "Poppa"." (Whew, all these >quotation marks are making me dizzy.) Has anyone heard anything on whether her >grandfather was called either or both or more by Tori? > >Eileen > OK, I take blame for this thread and not making myself clear, so please allow the Red-head to say in her own words to clear this up: From Upside Down Fanzine, Issue 4, From Tori Stories section (where Tori writes her own essays about???): "My Grandfather on my mother's side was part Cherokee Indian, I called him Poppa. He died when I was nine and half years old." She goes on to tell how he made her look at the world differently -to see a whale in a mound of dirt. She says, "There was a commitment to his life that was living art, he believed that anything you did or saw was art." Tori Amos loved her "Poppa" more than all the other grands put together. In an atmosphere of oppresion and religion, he made her see the multi-level planes that make up our world. Thank you Poppa for molding your granddaughter into the goddess that she is. Fairy Blessings, Beth ******************************************************************** "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:21:38 EST From: FlutterVxn@aol.com Subject: Re: age of tori's aundience hey guys... i have a little something to say bout this.....im only 18 and i've been through 2 sets of tori concerts...UtP and BfP, and now that i think about it ~even to little ol' me~ the people seem to be getting younger. i dont really think they're younger its just my minds retarded way of looking at it. :) OOoo anywho. i saw GreatExpectations last night and hum...i sang during the whole stinkin thing. i was singin to myself but the people behind me got pissed cuz they could see my mouth moving....i couldnt help it. ohwell....it was a very pretty movie but the only part my silly tear ducts would react too was the part at Finn's art opening when Uncle Joe embarrased hisself....and after reading great expectations and hating it...im gonna go back and try again. dodododoooo byebye and all that jazz. ~ke ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:35:08 -0500 From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: "Live From NY" video conversions hey, i've got a question. i have the "Live From NY" video for the UK. i have been looking all over atlanta for an inexpensive price to convert my video from PAL to NTSC. the cheapest price i can find is $35. being that this video may be released in the US sometime in the near future, i would hate to shell out all that money. my question is this: is there anybody of the list that is planning to or already has their copy converted? if so, could you make me a copy and i send you like $10 or $15 to help reduce your cost of the conversion? please let me know. thanks! - -rusty ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ web page: (updated 02/01/98) http://www.cantnot.org/rusty _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:26:50 -0700 From: "robyn" Subject: Tori Cups! *L* Spin magazine put out plastic soda cups that have about 5 pictures printed around them with different covers of the magazine, and the middle one is Tori! (also everclear, kiss, red hot chili peppers, llcool j) if you have a Texaco station close by check'm out ;) ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "This is who I am, what I do, and what I say. If you like it let it be, and if you don't please do the same." -Ani Difranco ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:47:31 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Re: little person....end of tori's career? Ooooooooooohhhhh, I just think Tori would be such a great mom. I could just see her singing lullabyes to her little one. Oh, *fuclemped*...Somewhere over the Rainbow.... other various Disney songs Ok.. hehe anyways. I was reading an Online transctipt where someone brought up the "little one" question. If I recall correctly, I think she said that she would love to have a little one, but that she would still be a musician. Although she might have to put her tours on hold, I dont think she would abandon all her fan goers. Many times she has said that she is a musician first, woman second. Maybe after a little one appears, it would be Mom 1st. But I think she loves composing music and sharing her feelings with willing listeners. Just my opinion, but don't you think she would make a gGRRRRRRRRREAT mom....... Oh I could just see it. *sigh* What a lucky child that would be. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:41:56 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Silent Concerts Ok, I know that this subject is getting a little monotonus (sp?) so I am sorry to add to all the clutter. But out of all the different views from people about the constant noise, I felt that there was one point overlooked. I STRONGLY AGREE WITH COURTESY, and silence, and respect during a show. It is common sence to be respectful to the artist and the audience, but in my case, I have never been to a Tori Amos Concert (soon hope to change that) and because it would be my first time...... I would be so excited and overwhelmed with joy. I mean its Tori, and you get to see her wonderful artistic movements and the impressions that she makes. I know that I would be soo excited, I mean I have d/l various avi's particularly from MTV unplugged and just watching her makes me happy, and a surge of excitement rushes through me. I feel giddy, and kinda squeal/clap with overjoyment. I just keep seeing how people are like getting very worked up about the noise, which I have heard is horrible. But please account for the 1st time see'ers of Tori. Secondly, I heard someone speak about how a good audience is essential. I totally agree, because part of being a GOOD audience is feeding off the artist and the artist feeding off the audience. Tori is there for her audiences and I am sure she gains power and energy from them. I guess its just trying to determine when it is appropriate to scream (of course not during heart felt songs etc) but I know Tori feeds off her fans' energy and I think it gives her a strength to go on, knowing that we are all there for her. Basically, I just get this sence of hostility towards all screamers. Catcallers, and overall rude ppl should be put in thier place, but please don't get medieval on those who are trying to get the WHOLE Tori experience, of her, the fans, and the excitement. Sorry to rejuvinate this topic, and to anyone who may be offended. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:50:33 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: 1998 Tori Calendar =~( I ordered my calendar from EQS, but I recieved a message saying that they stopped pooping them out. =~~~~( *sob* I'm very distraught seeing that the calendar was my Christmas gift. Does anyone know where I can obtain this calendar? Any suggestions. I would be everso greatful. Thanks in advance. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:40:45 +0000 From: Marguerite Bass Subject: Tori and Jed Deborah Nazarian wrote: > just wanted to let you all know i heard Siren for the first time on the > radio today on KROQ 106.7 in los angeles, ca. the dj whose name is "Jed > the Fish" chose it as the "catch of the day." :) anyways, he said > something to the effect that he had to play the song b/c he saw the > Great Expectations movie last night and said that the song *really* adds > to one of the scenes in the movie. he seemed to like it a lot (both the > movie and the song). > anyways, just wanted to share this with all of you :) > take care, debbie Jed the Fish must really like Tori (if this is the same one). A few years ago there used to be a radio show called "The Out-of-Order" countdown and he played her stuff alot I even have a recording of him introducing Tori's version of Ring My Bell. Great to know there are Dj's out there giving her lots of air time...**Molly Marguerite** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:29:45 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Silent Concerts Laura said: >Basically, I just get this sence of hostility towards all >screamers. Catcallers, and overall rude ppl should be put in thier >place, but please don't get medieval on those who are trying to get the >WHOLE Tori experience, of her, the fans, and the excitement. I have never personally said anything about a screamer that does her/his thing at the apprpriate moment or a just a few occasions. My problem is with people who contantly interrupt the show in the middle of a song, interrupt Tori, and destroy the moment for others. Of course you want the WHOLE experience! But that is not possible when you can not hear her or notice the many subtle things she does. I have not seen any posts that are asking people to be quiet the whole time. We are asking that Tori not be CONSTANTLY interrupted during her songs. That is all! This is not a hard thing to understand. It is basic courtesy. So please don't think I want you to stay silent Laura! Of course Tori feeds off the energy. But she needs to concentrate as well. As you said, it is simply a matter of common sense. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:42:06 -0800 From: "DAVID .E ROWE" Subject: Myra?! Hi, I feel like a really unfaithful fan! Now, guys don't e-mail me back with a bunch of hate mail to me about what I'm going to say, don't get me wrong, I love Tori! Just a few minutes ago I just found out what Tori's real name was, and when and where she was born. I have looked all over the internet to try to find that info but I had never found it, until now. So please don't give me a lot of hate mail. An always faithful Tori fan, Maggie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Tori page: http://members.tripod.com/~meghan_2/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:46:50 -1000 From: -= Robyn Hode =- Subject: Re: Silent Concerts lilchibi@flash.net wrote: > I STRONGLY AGREE WITH COURTESY, and silence, and respect during a show. When I went to the Boys for Pele concert in San Jose (which was my first time seeing her live), I sat way in the back. I was glad that the crowd 'knew' when to react and when to be quiet. It was completely a common sense issue, meaning that it was song-dependent. Since each song sparks a certain mood or feeling, the crowd obviously reacts a certain way. In a way, having a constant mellow background noise from the audience helps to bleed out the noise abruptions that occur when you really want to hear Tori, but only if the noise level is low enough and the music is played at a loud enough level. When Tori sang Me and a Gun, you could practically hear people in the bathrooms opening and closing the doors because it was so silent. But when she sang a song that is more up-beat like Talula, the crowd became more lively. I think the bottom line is that each of us express ourselves in different ways based upon the moment according to our upbringing and experiences. I don't think that anyone should take our freedom of expression away, or we wouldn't have music like Tori's now, would we? But there is also a certain level of respect, especially when someone has paid money and driven miles... That is the point at which expression starts to infringe. To me, watching Tori was a mixture of watching an orchestra, a rock-band, and a live-solo artist all wrapped into many unpredictable moments . The mood depended on the moment because each song is so unique. After all, it is not like watching a heavy-metal concert when you know every song has a similar base line and is meant to scream or head-bang to. :) As for the agrument about Tori needing to concentrate, I am sure that she would make it clear to the crowd if this were the case. But when you learn a piece of music and have played it for years, it becomes habit rather than a mental need of concentration, although I bet a person would need a bit more focus when playing in front of thousands. :) Also, it is song dependent. If you are playing Chopin on the piano vs. chopsticks, I think you get my point. Take care, Scotty - -- _________/{______________________________________________ O)]/////////[ O >--- SQUARE USA: LA and Honolulu Studios ---`-----__ `"""""""""\{======================================================` RPG & Squaresoft Designer ** scotty@sqla.com ** sord@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:44:43 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: The orange "Boys For Pele" promo book.. Hi! I picked up the Orange BfP promo book at a record fair this morning. I'm assuming it isn't particularly rare, but when I looked through it, the inside and back covers both have a little flap in them - should this have come with a CD or CDs? Have I been ripped off, or are all versions like this? (Incidentally, I paid 6 UK Pounds - is that reasonable?) Incidentally, people who are doing trades or are *still* interested in doing trades for the God single (with the exception of Tasha - thanks for keeping in touch!) - could you please mail me soon!! *especially* Johanna - I *really* want to know what's going on with that one, as I've sent the God CD to you and haven't heard anything since? Cheers Mike Mike Gray - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk http://www.whitley56.force9.co.uk/index.html ^ Now including Celine Dion, Peach, Gloria Estefan, Erasure, Tori Amos... *Valentine's Day edition of my homepages now online!* "I will not judge you by the way you play your instrument" - Lisa Loeb ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:23:19 EST From: NINMANSON1@aol.com Subject: Re: silence please I never said I personally screamed out, I sit there silently admiring her I meant to adress this as unbiast as possible but alls i have gotten is hasty responses. Im sorry if i pissed anyone off okay? Ill keep my opinions to myself. Kat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:31:30 EST From: HaughtyGrl@aol.com Subject: Re: 1998 Tori Calendar I ordered my calendar from Burning Airlines for $10.99 plus s&h. If you want the address, free free to email me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:23:24 EST From: Tasha325@aol.com Subject: Re: The orange "Boys For Pele" promo book.. i am particularly interested in this answer, for i too recently bought the orange BfP promo book at a record show... mine didn't have a CD either... incidently i paid $20. all the guy said was that this book was to go out with the first-so-many copies of the album...so i don't know if the album was supposed to be in it or if this was supposed to be given with the album... anyway... :) i just got my UK "Winter" in the mail today and am very happy... looking much forward to the "God". tasha "Mirror, mirror Where's the crystal palace But i only can see myself Skating around the truth Who I am But I know dad The ice is getting thin" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Renee Canada Subject: the girl and I? The band "The Girl and I" out of San Francisco just performed in my dorm the past week. i was wondering if anyone had heard of them before? It's a girl who sings and plays the guitar and a guy who plays the guitar, drums, keyboards..they draw from such influences as Sarah, Tori, Suzanne Vega, Ani DiFranco, etc...at times the voice sounding uncannily like tori or ani's, I found this a great band to hear and see live, with strong originals and very creative covers. They've performed for Jewel before, and are going to be opening for Santana and Crosby, Stills, and Nash in February. Renee ********* "What gets me up in the morning? The thought of another day, fresh with possibilities. A new day to love, to create something beautiful-a friendship, a song, a story. Sometimes it's just the pleasure of enjoying the wonders of life."-RLC, 1997 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:14:40 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: An apology. Please read everyone. Hi. Earlier I posted a message, headed "Orange Boys For Pele Promo Book" or some such, in which I asked people to mail me who I had contacted about trades. I mentioned Johanna's name in particular. This was simply because I feared that mail was not getting through to her (as I've had problems with my account) - and was *not* in any way an inference that she has now or at any time in the future is likely to not fulfill part of the trade. I'm sorry for any offence caused, Johanna, and hope that you understand. Sorry. Mike Mike Gray - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk http://www.whitley56.force9.co.uk/index.html ^ Now including Celine Dion, Peach, Gloria Estefan, Erasure, Tori Amos... *Valentine's Day edition of my homepages now online!* "I will not judge you by the way you play your instrument" - Lisa Loeb ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:54:32 EST From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: GE etc Hello everyone... i just wanted to say that i saw Great Expectations last night and it was.. ok. The scenery was nice, the director must be obsessed with the colour green or something.. and it was far from being like the book in so many ways, but it was wonderful to hear Siren... though the whole song isn't played, i still got chills :) I also want to publicly apologize to HaughtyGrl@aol.com if i seemed rude or hostile when i posted in reply to her reply to my reply about the Poppy/Pappy stuff. For those interested in online soap operas (hehe), she and I have since emailed privately and come to a friendly end with all the junk worked out. So, again, peace among Toriphiles and love to all and our common bond, Tori, who has brought us together here. It's so easy to misinterpret one's words on a screen and one's atitude. Hopefully, in the future, if any such mininterpretations arise things can be worked out in a civilised manner as HaughtyGrl and I did. Also, i hope people are preparing for the upcoming tour, if she tours after the club tour like she did in 96, we're gonna have one huge amazing circus online ;) love to all, j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:07:46 EST From: ThGoldnAge@aol.com Subject: Re: Silent Concerts as a new member to the list i would just like to throw in my own $.02. i hate it when people with really shrill voices stand directly behind me and shriek into my ear. a little yelling, etc. as a song starts is understandable but please, folks, no shrieking. if your voice can break glass at 20 paces, don't use it at concerts. i personally tend to get violent when individuals give me a headache. thanks, i needed to say that. later, Jake ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #41 ************************************