From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #37 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, January 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Digests within digests within... [kerry white ] Re: Cornflake Girl [Shadowboxer-M ] Re: a VERY confused Toriphile [Richard Handal ] Re: a VERY confused Toriphile [Richard Handal ] Re: King Henry [Ken Tough ] Re: Silent all these years...a different perspective [Ken Tough ] I guess I'm way beyond the pale.... [Jennifer Cypres ] Re: GE score [Michael Bowman ] Me and a Gun [Banana Queen ] For trade... ["Mike Gray" ] The whole "rape" thing. ["Mike Gray" ] the best piece of news! [Jennifer Cypres ] Re: Tori askes for silence [Tripp Gwyn ] Fw: Yet, another apology ["Dave and Melissa" ] silence please [lellis@umr.edu] Re: silence please [NINMANSON1 ] Re: readers digest version [Lil3rthqks ] so, okay...here's a question ["Jack Alberson" ] admin: html mail [woj ] NTC: Problems at home ["Capriccio 191" ] Re: SATY [Serra Angel ] Thanks and such... ["Everybody Else's Girl" ] Re: SATY [ChinaDust@aol.com] Tori Parallels [Rachel Roth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:13:04 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: Digests within digests within... Any1 know Y whole digests are being quoted inside other digests?? KrW Mairsy dotes an doesy dotes, an liddlelamseydivy. Akiddlydivey two, wooden shoe? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Shadowboxer-M Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl Also listen to "Honey" lots of _Posessing the Secret..._ references in there as well. Peace, Love, and the Goddesses-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visi(bi)lity!| --------------- "I've been saying all along that I didn't want revenge, but maybe I did." -Fiona Apple "On some of my darkest days, "I am your apocalypse. Lucifer's the one who comes and I am your belief unwrought. gives me an ice cream." Monolithic Juggernaut, I'm -Tori Amos the illegitimate son of God." -KMFDM "When all young people would start listening to their own voice instead of saying what adults say or whatever MTV dictates, this would be a whole different planet." --Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: a VERY confused Toriphile Stacie said: > ok... in the Cornflake Girl book it says that she was raped at > gun-point and everyone is saying that she wasn't... I AM SOOOO > CONFUSED!!! please help. > love, > Stacie Love back to you, Stacie. :-) This is clearly one of the most important topics that gets discussed in Toriville--both in Online Toriville and in real life. For years now, people have been writing me privately and asking such questions as, "I was in an AOL chat room the other day and somebody said that Tori was not really raped," and "I was looking at such-and-such web site and it says that Tori wasn't really raped," and asking me if I had any definitive explanation about that. I am now going to attempt to stick a fork in this ancient turkey once and for all. (Until the new batch of subscribers to this list. What can one do about that?) Tori has said in multiple interviews that she was raped. It isn't only something she wrote as a lyric for a song--she has said in the first person that she was raped. So, we can't dismiss this as being something written by her for a song. And just so we are all on the same page with what Tori said about the details of the incident in question, I am going to quote from the only interview she ever gave with specifics about it, which was an interview she did with Joe Jackson of the Irish music magazine Hot Press, with the publication date of February 23, 1994. The full interview is on Jason Watts' Fairy Tales site, and elsewhere on the 'net. (Also check The Dent and Toriphoria.) [http://stuff.to/tori/tales/index.html] The Hurt Inside [...] "I'll never talk about it at this level again but let me ask you. Why have I survived that king of night, when other women didn't", she says. "How am I alive to tell you this tale when he was ready to slice me up? In the song I say it was 'Me and a Gun' but it wasn't a gun. It was a knife he had. And the idea was to take me to his friends and cut me up, and he kept telling me that, for hours. And if he hadn't needed more drugs I would have been just one more news report, where you see the parents grieving for their daughter". "And I was singing hymns, as I say in the song, because he told me to. I sang to stay alive. Yet I survived that torture, which left me urinating all over myself and left me paralysed for years. That's what that night was all about, mutilation, more than violation through sex". "I really do feel as though I was psychologically mutilated that night and that now I'm trying to put the pieces back together again. Through love, not hatred. And through my music. My strength has been to open again, to life, and my victory is the fact that, despite it all, I kept alive my vulnerability". Okay. So, the song Me and a Gun is not strictly a narrative of a real incident, but it was *inspired* by an incident. A horrible, frightening incident. I understand that the *average* rape lasts four hours. Let that sink in for a minute and I'll move on. Back around August 1997, soon after getting yet another private inquiry about all this, I came to be pretty upset about the way some people have been spreading vague "information" about it, and some who have been spreading totally wrong stories about it. I started to do a little research in preparation for a major posting on it. Work at my job soon thereafter became quite heavy, and I put the project on the back burner. To speak about anything intelligently, one must have a common understanding of the terms used, otherwise discussion is meaningless and confusing. If discussion of whether Tori was really raped is relevant to this list then coming to an understanding of what that actually means can be no less relevant. [If the owners of this list disagree that I should have sent in this post, then I hope they unsubscribe me, because I won't want to be here anymore. Period.] To me, the obvious thing to do when trying to define a word is to look it up in multiple dictionaries. Legal meanings of words are not what we typically use in relation to other topics, and I can't see making it any different when discussing rape. If someone was shot in the head by someone else and he died, and the perpetrator is not convicted for one reason or another--maybe the charge was reduced to manslaughter or he was determined to be too insane to stand trial--we do not give a second thought to calling the act which put the victim's life to an end a murder. We do not define words by their legalistic meanings, we define them in more general terms. And I believe that is as it should be. We are not all lawyers, judge, jury, etc. We are not typically trying to make legalistic determinations when engaging in conversation. Thus, to seek a definition of rape, I did not crack open books on criminal codes. And at any rate, criminal codes vary from one tiny jurisdiction to the other. I do not know the exact location of Tori's assault, nor do I think that it is relevant in the slightest whether or not it meets any legal criteria for rape before it can, in lay terms, be categorized as rape. I think folks have become hung up on the legal definition. With that in mind, I will share with you what I found in dictionaries. ALL of the dictionaries I checked confirmed what Mike posted recently. Here's a citation from the Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary of the English Language [Unabridged], second edition, 1966: rape, n. [from rap, to seize, to snatch, the meaning being influenced by L. rapere, raptum, to seize.] 1. the act of snatching or carrying off by force. 2. something taken or seized and carried away by force. 3. the crime of having forced sexual intercourse with a woman or girl forcibly and without her consent. If the act is committed when the woman is stupified by drugs or liquors, deceived as to the nature of the act, or overcome by duress or threats, or if she is below the age of consent, it is rape. 4. the plundering or violent destruction (of a city, etc.), as in warfare. rape v.t.; raped, pt., pp.; raping, ppr. 1. to seize and carry off by force. 2. to affect with rapture; to transport. [Archaic.] 3. to ravish; to commit rape on (a woman or girl); to violate. 4. to plunder or destroy (a city, etc.), as in warfare. I'll ignore the botanical and other irrelevant definitions. And so it is the case with ALL the dictionaries I checked. I checked at least four or five of them. One of the ones I checked was the mother of all English Language dictionaries, the Oxford English Dictionary (OED). I'll leave out the archaic and obsolete definitions this time, and only copy the current, relevant definitions, leaving out the derivation: 2. The act of carrying away a person, esp. a woman, by force. 3. Violation or ravishing of a woman. And for the verb definition: 3. To ravish, commit rape on. And while we're in the OED: ravish 1. The action of taking or carrying away by force; plundering; violation, etc. Many of you will be familiar with the play The Fantasticks, which has a scene and musical number called Rape Ballet. A father has paid an old actor, accompanied by other actors playing American Indians, to abduct his daughter and take her on a long trip (I won't go into the plot reasons for this), and at the start of this number the old actor shrieks "Indians ready? Indians rrrrape!" There is no sexual intercourse involved in this scene. The Fantasticks is the longest-running play in history, as well as the most often performed. (There's no required set and can be performed with a minimal band so it's cheap to put on.) Many people know this play. Nonetheless, when Robert Goulet starred in a road company of it three or four years ago, the Rape Ballet was changed to The Abduction. Granted--most people would typically think of the forced sexual intercourse meaning of the word rape, and in this day and age, protests to a song about a rape, even if it meant abduction, must have seemed a likely possibility to the producers of that recent road company of The Fantasticks. But that meaning of the word is *not* obsolete, *not* archaic, and indeed, its *very* *existence* is rooted in meaning abduction. I submit that if anyone ever asks *you* whether or not Tori Amos was "really" raped, you can look them directly in the eye and tell them, "Yes. Tori was raped." And if you show them the interview from Hot Press with the details and they protest, you have my permission to wonder aloud why they are getting so hung up on the word itself once they were shown the details of the incident. I could go on much more about all this, but my point has been made. This whole thing *really* gets me upset. Please feel free to distribute this widely. I don't want more people writing me privately and asking me about this ever again. This, above all other topics related to Tori, deserves to live in the bright light of sunshine. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:31:52 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: a VERY confused Toriphile Dusk said: > Also, this I might add..as some of you ight know...this was an > Authorized biography...so it must be true...it cant be lies Actually, there are at least a few verifiable mistakes in that book. I mean, when they make a mistake about Tori's age when her grandfather died in January, 1973, they're not payin' one hell of a lot of attention to detail. If something is important, always try to verify it somehow. No one is perfect. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:26:21 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: King Henry Stephanie Handley wrote: [A nice summary of Henry VIII] >By the time he had married Anne of Cleves he >had a festering wound in his leg, some believe it was akkkkkk, a std >that I can't remember the name of!!!!! and thus incapable of siring >further offspring. It was syphilis, which he most likely had before marrying Catherine of Aragon. Mary (his daughter, Mary Tudor, "Bloody" Mary) was born with congenital syphilis and thus had very poxy skin, receding or no hair, and died of the illness. (she was never very well) BTW, Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart) was the daughter of Elizabeth I's first cousin, James V of Scotland. To strengthen her case to succeed Lizzy on the english throne (even though she refused to reject catholicism), she married her cousin, another cousin of Lizzy's. She was executed after plots to take the throne, but her son, James VI of Scotland, became James I of all england (uniting england & scotland). In theory. - -- " Ken Tough " talking Jesus, riding on the grille Cornwall " blessing every road kill United Kingdom " giving points for good behavior ken@objectech.co.uk " i have been redeemed by the 75mph Savior... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:35:40 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: Silent all these years...a different perspective Dave and Melissa wrote: > Tori was never actually raped, she was sexually harrased ( I know this is >bad enough ) Tori was quoted as saying she was "nearly raped" and of course >being our strong, violent, and delicious heroine....she fought back and got >away. Unfortunately the emotional scars last far longer then any physical >injury ever could, thus being where her inspiration for supporting RAINN, >and serenading us with the haunting "me and a gun" came from. She truly is >a brave brilliant, and strong women! Not to belabour the point, but I think "sexually attacked" is the term to use here. The details of the attack, or any attack, (exactly what he did with his penis), I'd rather not know. All the rest is very true. - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:05:50 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: Re: Good seats? Does anyone know if Tori will be making her way to Buffalo, NY.... ? I'm waiting patiently to see she since i missed her last show around here peace out~ Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:02:28 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: I guess I'm way beyond the pale.... Hey Folks! Remember a few posts back (maybe last month) we were all discussing what the line "I guess I'm way beyond the pale" meant? And someone said that in England a pale is like a way to define borders. Well, this morning I was watching the Today Show and of course the topic was Bill Clinton's alleged affair with you-know-who. Well, there was a guy on being interviewed from BET (and I think his name was Tavist Smiley), and he described the right-wingers as going "beyond the pale" with their accusations, meaning, they've stepped across the line, or they're way outta line. I thought that was so cool... wonder if he listens to Tori.... - -Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:05:21 -0600 From: "Ellis, Melanie S" Subject: SATY Forgive me if this has been posted already--I get so behind on my email cuz I dont get into the computer lab very often...BUT I read somewhere ( I think the biography) that SATY is based in part on the time when Tori wrecked her voice so badly that she thought that she would lose it and she freaked out. She had to have singing therapy lessons over the phone or something to get her voice in shape..and I think for a while she wasnt allowed to talk at all so her vocal chords would heal. I know this is very vague, but thats a s good as I can remember right now. hope that helps Daisy melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Bowman Subject: Re: GE score Thanks. It sounds like I'll need to pick up a copy. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:09 -0800 From: Banana Queen Subject: Me and a Gun well, i can't comment on the rape part of it because i don't know the details....and most of you may already know this but for the people who don't: the song me and a gun was inspired by the movie Thelma and Louise. it brought back memories of her "rape" and she wrote the song the night she saw the movie. she talks about this in the "Little Earthquakes" compilation video for those who want more info. hope i helped a little bit. and also, even if tori wasn't raped in the full and common sense of the word i think any abusive experience is bad enough.....i doubt i would have been as strong as her even in a situation just half as bad. she is truly amazing. - --Banana Queen "me and a gun and a man on my back and i sang holy holy as he buttoned down his pants..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:33:52 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: For trade... Hi Everyone. About a week ago now I advertised a UK God CD Single for sale or trade. I initially only said that I was going to sell it to people in the UK. I seem to have (oddly!) found quite a few of these CDs (well actually only 3 - but still, I've got 3!) - I've arranged trades for two of them, leaving me with one. If no-one wants it I can simply send it back, but I thought I'd offer it here. So now, if anyone in the US wants a copy, I'm more than happy to send the one remaining CD over. I'm not going to be asking for anything particularly rare or expensive in exchange, promise! Just a simple trade for a readily available CD in the US. (Not a Tori CD) The tracklisting for the UK God CD Single is:- 1.God 2.God - The Dharma Kaya Mix 3.God - The Rainforest Resort Mix 4.God - The Thinking Mix 2 If anyone is interested, please mail me privately (ASAP) - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk Cheers Mike Mike Gray - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk http://www.whitley56.force9.co.uk/index.html ^ Now including Celine Dion, Peach, Gloria Estefan, Erasure, Tori Amos... *Valentine's Day edition of my homepages now online!* ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:08:35 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: The whole "rape" thing. Hi. Firstly, thanks to Richard for clearing this one up - I've been trying not to ask the same question myself for many months now, as several different accounts (including, incidentally one of the FAQs available here on the 'net) claim that she wasn't raped. I was getting conflicting views from all over the place. Thanks again Richard - I'm sure you've cleared this up for quite a few people! Mike Mike Gray - mike@whitley56.force9.co.uk http://www.whitley56.force9.co.uk/index.html ^ Now including Celine Dion, Peach, Gloria Estefan, Erasure, Tori Amos... *Valentine's Day edition of my homepages now online!* ICQ : 6200976 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:47:46 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: the best piece of news! Well, since the rumor of the U.S. release of the RAINN Concert video was = just that=AF a rumor=AF I started poking around on the internet, and found = someone who taped the concert when it was on Lifetime Television on Jan. = 24, 1997=21=21=21=21=21=21 Here=27s a post from him that I found on the DAT-Heads Digest (I don=27t = know what that means). You guys owe me big=21=21=21=21 - -Jen (Look below for RAINN Video info) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: rjk1=40cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: Tori Amos RAINN Concert NYC Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:27:50 -0600 MGREEN4=40vaxc.hofstra.edu spake: > If anyone taped the Tori Amos benefit show in NYC a few weeks ago, I = need to > set up a trade for it... There have been a couple of other inquiries about this concert here over the past couple of digests (pertaining to the Lifetime broadcast of part of it Jan. 24), so here are some events of interest that haven=27t = happened yet: The entire concert will be webcast (gaaak) next Monday (Feb 10) at=20 10PM EST. See http://www.atlantic-records.com/digitalarena/ Additionally, approximately an hour of it will be broadcast on dozens of radio stations this weekend. For a list of participating stations, see http://www.atlantic-records.com/news_events/stations.html Finally, for those enquiring, I did indeed get the Lifetime broadcast (such as it was), to VHS and to DAT from cable. List at http://www.cs.wustl.edu/=7Erjk1/mylist All that said, I=27d be interested in an audience DAT of the show as well (or a pre-webcast soundboard of it ;) ). bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:25:58 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Re: Tori askes for silence I hope everyone is listening to this and will take her advice. IT's rather pathetic when you hear a tape of a concert and there are these people screaming out song names, and then I've heard this one guy screaming her real name, at 4 different performances! That is pathetic. Please, if you are a previous screamer, don't ruin my first Tori concert experiences with this year's tour. Tripp > Ok, it's real late and I've been reading my eyes out with the first 4 > issues of the now defunct "Upside Down" fan club. I'll get more in detail > about these wonderful fanzines at another time, but what really caught my > eye was something Tori asked to be relayed to her fans prior to the "UTP" > US tour. > To quote: > "We do have a favor to ask, please do not scream things to Tori while she > is playing. Part of the magic that happens at a Tori concert is the dead > silence during songs, and people yelling things to her is a lot like the > phone ringing at the wrong time, it can spoil the magic. Thanks for your > cooperation." > I hope we all can contribute to the magic. > Much thanks to permanate lurker, John. > > Fairy Blessings, > Beth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:39:36 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Fw: Yet, another apology **************************************************************************** ******** " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** - ---------- > From: Dave and Melissa > To: Precious-things@smoe > Subject: Yet, another apology > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:51 PM > > Well folks, > > I guess I'm really screwing up here! I am accustomed to using the "reply" > button, for replying to all my mail. Unfortunately, I was unaware that when > doing so, that the ENTIRE digest was sent along with it! > > I apologize for filling up your mail boxes with unnecessary mail. When the > window pops up for mail responses, I can only see where I am currently > writing, and seeming how I didn't know about the above, it never occured to > me to scroll down further. > > Once again, my apologies, I am truly sorry for any inconvience! :-( > > Thanks for your understanding, > Melissa~H > **************************************************************************** > ******** > " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, > the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" > ~~~TORI AMOS > > **************************************************************************** > ******** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:29:09 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: silence please > I hope everyone is listening to this and will take her advice. IT's rather > pathetic when you hear a tape of a concert and there are these people > screaming out song names, and then I've heard this one guy screaming her > real name, at 4 different performances! That is pathetic. Please, if you > are a previous screamer, don't ruin my first Tori concert experiences with > this year's tour. i totally agree. i think when ppl scream (especially while tori is talking) is totally and 110% disrespectful! i can't even imagine *why* ppl do it. when i first saw tori years ago, it was a totally different atmosphere. it was quiet and there was a sort of magical feeling to the silence. i could actually hear. even better (it seems) are the shows shown on the LE video. people were sooo respectful. i've always wished i could've been at one of those (*dreamy sigh*) leah raisin girl, b.g. http://www.umr.edu/~lellis ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` KMNR 89.7fm radio business grrrl and dj "I have my own parties. They show: 430pm-8pm wednesdays involve being barefoot with a piece university of missouri rolla of fried chicken and a margarita in *geology* each hand." -Tori Amos ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:17:11 EST From: NINMANSON1 Subject: Re: silence please You cant really tell people to shut up, I mean seeing tori makes you want to scream but i agree it gets pathetic. ESPECIALLY during me and a gun! It is very discrespectful when tori turns to the audience to sing people scream i love you and random comments when i cant explain but i think you'll agree this song deserves some respect you know? I understand during like precious things when she says girl but drags it out giiiirrrrrllll real low, I mean obviously stuff like that its cool to yell and all i mean you dont want a cold audience, what am i doing?? Im like writing rules for a tori show! Im just saying common sense should make it easy to figure out dont be the jerk to scream when all is silent just so tori will notice you okay? And for that person who said she wants to have a good 1st show, trust me its tori, a loud audience wont completely ruin it though I did see Fiona Apple a while back and the audience during never is a promise was ruining it. Its like a personal connection you get with them and people break through. Ill shut up who knows what im saying! ADIOS EWF! KAT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:26:31 EST From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Re: readers digest version In a message dated 98-01-27 21:03:25 EST, dskinner@cruzio.com writes: << Do you have a readers digest version ver each single piece of mail coming at you one at a time? >> what do you mean by "reader's digest version"? there is a digest version of precious-things, if that's what you mean. there's also the RDT (RN) digest, but that's a separate list. i guess i ddin't help much... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:42:39 PST From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: so, okay...here's a question Is Cindy Palmano still working with Tori? I heard from somebody (whom I can't recall) that they had a falling out or something. Just curious. Jack ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:15:02 -0500 From: woj Subject: admin: html mail folks, just a reminder: please do not send html mail to precious-things. majordomo has been configured to bounce html mail to mike and me for approval and we, generally, do not bother to forward it on. html mail clients include netscape messenger, microsoft exchange/outlook/mail, eudora 4.0 (i think), and a few others i can't recall right now. one memorable addition, though, seems to be aol's 4.0 mailer which sometimes sends messages *only* as html. if you use one of these mailers, please check to make sure that html is turned off for posts to precious-things. if you don't know how to do this, try searching your mail client's man pages/help files for assistance or asking your local mail admin/guru. thanks, woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:56:39 PST From: "Capriccio 191" Subject: NTC: Problems at home Man, am I bummed out. My mom got freaky with her religious stuff again. She banned me from playing Tori and all the other music I listen to in her house and she took down my posters of Tori and other artists and said I was lucky she didn't rip them down. She "anointed" my room, and I just don' think I can take this. The only problem is, I can't afford to move out. I can't afford an apartment and my car and insurance and school. If I move out I'll have to work full time, and quit school, and then I would be defeating the point! I want to go to school now! I want to get a degree, but my parents refusal to accept me back into their home the way I am is getting in the way! I don't know what to do. Oh, and the big thing was that my mom looked up Tori on the internet and now thinks I'm part of a cult! She was like, "Those kids worship her! Would you do anything if she told you too?" They just can't see the positive side of Tori and her music. GRRRRRR! Sorry for the personal post, but I had to get it out. Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: SATY On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Ellis, Melanie S wrote: > Forgive me if this has been posted already--I get so behind on my email > cuz I dont get into the computer lab very often...BUT > > I read somewhere ( I think the biography) that SATY is based in part on > the time when Tori wrecked her voice so badly that she thought that she > would lose it and she freaked out. She had to have singing therapy > lessons over the phone or something to get her voice in shape..and I > think for a while she wasnt allowed to talk at all so her vocal chords > would heal. I know this is very vague, but thats a s good as I can > remember right now. > > hope that helps > > Daisy melanie I thought this was between BfP and UtP.. Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:53:07 -0800 From: "Everybody Else's Girl" Subject: Thanks and such... I want to thank everyone who helped me with info on the Tori calendar. Luckily, I have a friend in the UK who was able to get me a copy and send it to me. But it's great to know there are so many helpful EWF out there. *hugs* sparkles and *faerie dust* DragonGrrl *-----------------------------------------------------------------* | Love lights more fire than hate | ramoth@sonic.net | | extinquishes. | http://www.sonic.net/~ramoth | | | | | -Ella Wilcox | ----^--<@ Have a rose! | *-----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:38:36 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: SATY In a message dated 98-01-29 00:19:36 EST, evaeva@matrix.eden.com writes: << On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Ellis, Melanie S wrote: > I read somewhere ( I think the biography) that SATY is based in part on > the time when Tori wrecked her voice so badly that she thought that she > would lose it and she freaked out. She had to have singing therapy > lessons over the phone or something to get her voice in shape..and I > think for a while she wasnt allowed to talk at all so her vocal chords > would heal. I know this is very vague, but thats a s good as I can > remember right now. >> i dunno...what parts of SATY do you think are based on that? i know that it must have been scary, but, come on, it was just her VOICE. i read in a biography (the big book) about the time when she pushed her vocal chords over the limit while she was still playing bars...i think she was pretty young, like early teens, and she and her mother went off to some place away where tori didn't talk at all for 4 days. is that what you're talking about? i'm not sure i'm much help, but i thought it was worth a try. mairde, eileen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:59:48 -0600 From: Rachel Roth Subject: Tori Parallels I was talking with a friend today and he pointed out some VERY interesting parallels between tori and some famous writers. For instance: "Running in the Family", by Michael Ondaatje (the guy who wrote the English Patient) has a lot of lines from "Blood Roses", and "it runs in the family" is a quote used in "professional widow" Also, The first line of the first poem of the fifth chapter of "is 5" by e.e. cummings reads: "after all white horses are in bed" isnt this cool stuff? I thought all toriphiles would be interested in this stuff so I posted to both lists I'm on sorry for the repetition to those of you on both of these lists ;) Rachel "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" -tori amos ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #37 ************************************