From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #34 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- froperty? froppity? ["Farrah" ] song interpretations [aliciau@ibm.net] Re: Cornflake Girl [MsSakamoto ] [none] [bos197@soton.ac.uk] Re: King Henry [Stephanie Handley ] Re: SATY [Beth Coulter ] Re: Disney ["Dave and Melissa" ] Websters..... ["Dave and Melissa" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:42:50 -0600 From: "Farrah" Subject: froperty? froppity? Hi. I was checking out the lyrics for Hungarian Wedding Song on a few different pages and I'm confused about the last word in the song. Some of the pages say froperty, some say froppity and some give even other suggestions. Does anybody know what this word is and what it means? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:07:05 GMT From: aliciau@ibm.net Subject: song interpretations Hi, Serra Angel wrote: >Keeping in mind that Tori allows for different interpretations of >songs, I think her intentions in Doughnut Song are pretty >straightforward (as far as any Tori song goes.. heh) Doughnut Song was >always to me like a sequel to Blood Roses.. specifically about >clioradectomies (sp??) and Muslim women's issues, I always had thought Doughnut Song was about a relationship in which the girl gives much more than the boy, and he doesn't know how to take. Sue wrote: >I'm pretty sure that Tori's rape experience was at least the springboard for >this song. She didn't talk about it for a lot of years, then finally she did >in SATY. Hence, the title. But, I do think there are a lot of other things >all rolled up inside. I think it's about everything that she hadn't been >talking about for all those years, including the rape. >just my input... It's like, she had written YKTR, and wasn't happy with it at all, because it wasn't honest and all, so when she started writing LE, all these things she had kept inside for so long came out as songs, and maybe that feeling of liberation, of freedom, is what SATY is about. Like, maybe deep inside me, there's something incredible for me to find out, and sometimes I hear my voice and I realize it's finally coming out. I'm sue she was really really happy. Bye-bye, Alicia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:44:16 EST From: MsSakamoto Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > In a message dated 98-01-26 20:42:38 EST, Lil3rthqks@AOL.COM writes: > > i understand most of the song, except...what is the signifigance of the > word "cornflake" ? As I understood it, a "cornflake girl" was a heathy-looking, possibly sporty blonde-haired, blue eyed, well-tanned female...at least that's what my mom said... Kisses, Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:44:50 GMT From: bos197@soton.ac.uk Subject: [none] WHen i saw a tv interview with tori when CfG was released in the UK, she said that Cornflake Girls were the ones who acted like sheep-followed all the fashions just to fit in, looked down on everyone, and turned on their "friends" when they weren't around to defend themselves. Brian the Lion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:45:06 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: King Henry Ooooh, ooooh, ooooh! Another of my passions!!!! I've been obsessed with British history for years, read almost nothing but... Let's see how good my memory is: Henry VIII married: 1. Katherine of Aragon who was wedded to his brother and several years his senior. His father opposed the union, so Harry, much like his silly self, married her on his father's death. This produced a daughter, Mary. After many years and many still births, some of them sons, Henry was fascinated by Anne Bolyen. She refused to be his mistress and only allowed him the slightest of teases. This, of course, inflamed Henry's desire all the more. A pattern that began to really show itself over the years was his way of convincing himself that what -he- wanted was "God's will" So, he convinced himself that God was denying him a son by Katherine because He was angry that Henry had married his brother's wife. Now, the problem was that when Katherine wed his brother, Arthur, Arthur was very ill, and most "knew" that Arthur never bedder her. But Henry decided that Arthur had, and thus was living with God's wrath, as pointed out in a bible passage by the ever influential and cunning Wolsey. So, for many years Henry petitioned the pope for divorce on these grounds. But the pope was in the hand of a relation of Katherine's and would not be persuaded. Thus, after many years, Henry broke with the pope and "divorced" Katherine on his own. He then, in a very quiet, private ceremony, married Anne Bolyen. Anne produced a daughter, Elizabeth, but this was awful for Henry, who by this time was obsessed with producing an heir. This was a huge strike against Anne. She began to lose control over Henry shortly after the marriage, and his eye began to wonder. She concieved again, and the thought that this could be a boy was her saving grace. But, she lost the pregnancy, and it was a boy. Henry once again began to see this as a sign from God--what he really wanted was Jane Seymore, one of Anne's ladies in waiting. Jane was plain (ha, ha, sorry) and he felt that God would smile on such a meek one as this, as opposed to the wicked and seductive Anne. Plans were laid, the seed of doubt planted, and his courtiers began a plan to defame Anne. It was put about that she was having an affair with her minstral, Mark Smeaton, during tourture he confessed, which was a lie. During the trial, ever her own brother was convicted of having an affair with her! This from his jealous wife (the bitch) So, Anne was put to death, as well as her brother and several other innocent men. Henry married wife #3--Jane Seymore. She did produce a male heir, and died in the process. The child was very ill, but did live to come to the throne on Henry's death, for a short time. So, here's Henry with all his lusts and the need for a spare heir. He was convinced to marry Anne of Cleves, sight unseen, well, a picture was painted of her, giving her more beauty than she actually posessed. He married her, but put her aside very quickly. She was referred to as the "Flemish Mare" He then married Katherine Parr and died married to her, with no future offspring. By the time he had married Anne of Cleves he had a festering wound in his leg, some believe it was akkkkkk, a std that I can't remember the name of!!!!! and thus incapable of siring further offspring. So, this is a very interesting tale, and there are numerous books, many on each women in her own right. There are many views of Anne Boleyn, but most of the populace at that time were on Katherine's side, and hated Anne, calling her witch, etc. All of this again, points to that wonderful patriarchy that we are always so subject to. Well, thanks for reading, if you are still with me. Stephanie Beth Coulter wrote: > FlutterVxn wrote: > > > >you guys know about king henry and what a bastard he > was.....elizabeth > >couldnt have boys....henry wanted a boy!! no girls.......none. he > beheaded > >her cuz of it....no mistress....he was just greedy. > > > > > Actually, It was one of the three Annes he married who gave birth to > Elizabeth the First. King Henry XIII tended to marry those he wanted > to > bed. In fact, he created the Church of England in order to get a > divorce > from one of his wives (the lucky one). I heard Tori go on about him > and > Anne Bolyn(sp?) in an interview from '94, also she was fasinated by > Mary, > Queen of Scots, who was either Elizabeths cousin or little Sister. > Fairy Blessings, > Beth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:23:16 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: SATY > >rosalind's pea soup posted: > >>Just so everyone isn't in the dark on this one...tori was verbally >>threatened and physically assaulted, but she wasn't raped.(this was >>discussed a few months back, but we've had a small explosion in >>subscriptions since then) > >Defintion of rape (according to Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary: > >1)The crime of forcing someone another person to submit to sexual intercourse >2)THE ACT OF SEIZING AND CARRYING OFF: ABDUCTION >3)ABUSIVE TREATMENT:VIOLATION > >Therefore, Tori Amos *was* raped. > >Mikewhy > > Thanks Mike. I forget the article, but Tori was interviewed after forming RAINN and made it quite clear her experience was as damaging for her as it is for anyone else regardless of the extent. I am fond of saying, "What hurts more, a broken arm or a broken foot? Pain is pain, abuse is abuse." It doesn't matter whether someone is touched inappropriately (like a child by an adult) or put through years of unending abuse--the emotional damage is still there. The same goes for verbal abuse, the sort Tori endured from her grandparents. And I agree with the statement that SATY is about _all_ the pain accumulated, not just about one incident. And that's my $.02. :) Fairy Blessings, Beth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:06:35 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Re: Disney Hello guys~ I think that If Tori ever choose to do a Disney Song, it would have to be from "The Jungle book" Tori has said that this is her favorite Disney movie. But on a lighter note, she has also said she sounds like the little mermaid on acid....so take your pick! Your fellow Toriphile, Melissa~H (Myssa) **************************************************************************** ******** " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** - ---------- > From: precious-things@smoe.org > To: Myssa > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #33 > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:53 AM > > > > precious-things-digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 033 > > > > Today's Subjects: > ----------------- > Tori being too Noticed! [Torifile ] > Re: Who is Tori Amos anyways ? [ChinaDust ] > National Anthem [Adam Mullet ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [Ruthless ] > Tori in the UK [Brian the Lion ] > Re: Tori and Disney [Superwax2@aol.com] > Re: song interpretations [Serra Angel ] > Re: Disney [Rachel Roth ] > [none] [zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain)] > Re: SATY Theory [Tori805@aol.com] > Re: SATY Theory ["rosalind's pea soup" ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [Lil3rthqks ] > pictures [Cindergirl ] > Re: SATY Theory [Mikewhy ] > Re: Cornflake Girl [ChinaDust ] > Re: SATY Theory ["rosalind's pea soup" ] > King Henry [Beth Coulter ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:31:54 EST > From: Torifile > Subject: Tori being too Noticed! > > Whats all this shit about tori being too noiced? Do yall get off on saying > that she is not well known and it would be different if she were too popular? > I think a good dose of fame is just what Tori needs right now. I mean the > songs that are popular now are unbeleibabl. So when the new album gets out, i > hope the first or second or maybe even the third single sky rockets to number > 1! Wouldnt it be fun to be actually noticed? Instead of kinda "living in > hiding"? Well, thats just my opinion. > > Davey Petals of > the blood roses > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:35:28 EST > From: ChinaDust > Subject: Re: Who is Tori Amos anyways ? > > In a message dated 98-01-25 22:15:41 EST, JupiterCMS writes: > > << That is the problem..the average everyday person doesnt know who Tori > is...and this is just a fact that positively has to be stopped....so tell > everyone you know about Tori...shout it to the hills.... >> > > A few people have stated their opinions and got me thinking...y'know, it > really is a lot nicer with Tori being a really personal, underground thing. If > it got out in the open...posers, commercialization, impersonal masses, > TRAGEDY. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:17:56 -0800 > From: Adam Mullet > Subject: National Anthem > > While I agree that *hearing* Tori sing the anthem would be interesting > (what could Tori do that wouldn't be?), but I don't think it > would/should ever happen. Singing glory to a flag isn't what she's all > about. > > Going back to Jewel, I'm guessing that the reason she was chosen to sing > the anthem this year is because of the San Diego location. As SO many > people know, Jewel used to live in a van (she's TOTALLY milked this for > all it's worth) in San Diego. You have to admit, it is a perfect > example of the "American Dream" - from living in a van to singing for > millions of people, all in a matter of a few years...it's pretty amazing > when you think about it. > > Adam > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:04:24 GMT0BST > From: Ruthless > Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > > Hi everybody, > > I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. > > The book, is a heart breaking story about Tashi's life after she had > been "circumcised". The pain endured not only during the actual > "procedure" (often conducted with a dirty knife, stiched up with > thorns and afterwards using spit to stop the bleeding) is > oftentimes less than the pain during the journey back to one's > self. As the recovery process afterwards includes the painful > experience of sex. Oftentimes, if a woman had been infibulated it > would require an opening up that could be done by a doctor but was > more often done at home either manually with a knife or through the > husband forcing penetration. Therefore, sex was often a painful > experience as was menstruation and urinating. Which can explain a > hesitation towards sex until the wound has been properly healed and > opened. > > Alice Walker and Pratiba Parmar did a documentary on female genital > mutilation entitled Warrior Marks which I highly recommend. Also, > there is a book by the same name that details the filming process and > both Pratiba and Alice's thoughts each step of the way. Be prepared > to cry, scream and dance with rage. > > The bottomline though is that they were heightening awareness to a > problem often overlooked- it's not my culture therefore not my > problem...Alice has a beautiful quote in response- violence is not > culture. > > Also, I think Tashi turns up again in blood roses in the line > chickens get a taste of my meat girl...Chickens are often feed the > parts taken from the woman but also before the procedure girls are > forced to watch chickens getting their heads cut off- the message is > simple, if you disobey this could be you. > > You should read the book the parts about Tashi and her re-occuring > nightmares about chickens is harrowing. > > On a happy note, I gave Alice a copy of Cornflake Girl. > > Take care, Ruth > > I am human therefore nothing human can be alien to me.- Maya Angelou > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:59:48 +0000 (GMT) > From: Brian the Lion > Subject: Tori in the UK > > Hmm... > > I got a bit flamed for saying Marilyn Manson were crap so i > guess i'll leave the good/bad thing to Tori. Just a couple > of points...... > > 1)I read that when Tori first talked to Neil Gaiman they were > listening to Ministry (please don't mail in about when > exactly she 1st met him 'cos it doesn't matter in this case) > so i figure she certainly has no problem with the style of > bands such as MM and Korn (though whether the attitudes align > is another thing) > > 2)Channel 4 (eg British TV) and HMV just ran a survey of the > top 100 albums of all time and "Little Earthquakes was 95th. > I know that doesn't sound as high as you and i would like but > when considering the sheer quantity of music made that > qualified for the pole (some albums were 30+ years old) it is > a fantastic acheivement. Thought y'all might like to know > 'cos i'm still on a buzz about it. > > B. > > Since sigs are getting popular i thought i'd choose one of my > favourites:- > > "I was one of the sheep too, once. But then the > wolves came and know i am an Eagle and fly in a different > universe" > > - ---------------------- > Brian the Lion > bos197@soton.ac.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:16:48 EST > From: Superwax2@aol.com > Subject: Re: Tori and Disney > > hi again! > > you know, when i first read this question i thought that i really couldn't see > tori doing any disney songs, for some reason or another...but then, i realized > i only thought this because i overlooked the one great disney movie, mary > poppins. i, personally, think that tori could do a fabulous rendition of the > song (forgive me, i don't know the name) that mary poppins sings to the > children after they went into the chalk drawing about not being sleepy. > > Love, > Sam > > There is more to life than increasing its speed. > ~Mahatma Ghandi > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:09:11 -0600 (CST) > From: Serra Angel > Subject: Re: song interpretations > > > mistress, but that's just my way, and I think that also makes sence with > > what someone said how the song was about Eric Rosse, and then it also > > kind of goes along with Doughnut Song "You told me last night you were a > > sun now with your very own devoted satelite" meaning while he was with > > her he found some better and went with her, so the kind of go together, > > I guess... > > > Keeping in mind that Tori allows for different interpretations of > songs, I think her intentions in Doughnut Song are pretty > straightforward (as far as any Tori song goes.. heh) Doughnut Song was > always to me like a sequel to Blood Roses.. specifically about > clioradectomies (sp??) and Muslim women's issues, and more generally > about the way men and sex issues repress freedom for women (though > certainly women also work to confirm these problems in societies, hence > Cornflake Girl). Lines like "I've shaved every place where you've been, > boy" can mean (unpleasantly) the actual operation, or it can mean a > more general exposure, perhaps of thoselittle secrets these situations > force women to quell. Doughnut Song always seemed specifically about a > woman having to have sex with a man under such strenuous and painful > circumstances, at the same time being completely disrespected for it, > but having no freedom to have a voice and express how she feels. > Muhammad My Friend, I think, also deals with this in the "Muhammad my > friend, getting very scared, teach me how to love, my brothers who > don't know the law"If she is indeed talking about the Koran here, isn't > there a passage that says the brothers of a woman have the right to do > whatever necessary to the husband of their sister if they find out he > has done something to abuse her? I have an Egyptian friend and she was > telling me something like that.. of course with these sort of > operations commonplace, that would not be included under abuse, and I > think Tori's trying to point out it should be. > > Kahlan :) > "Hand me a trick, and a kick, and your message.. > You'll never gain weight from a doughnut hole." > :) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:46:59 -0600 > From: Rachel Roth > Subject: Re: Disney > > the person that forgot the name of the song where the kids got sleepy in > mary poppins...its "toppins" or something like that... > Tori would be really cool on that I agree... > > I also think she'd sound really cool on "kiss the girl " > > Rachel > > > > > > > > > "Maybe I aint used to Maybes smashing in a cold room" > -tori amos > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:41:54 EST > From: zaina@juno.com (Lisa Zain) > Subject: [none] > > um... hi guys, i'm new on this list, and the first post i got was about > tori doing that really sweet song from mary poppins. i can really see how > much depth she could bring to that song. the second post i got was about > doughnut song, and it's relations to the treatment of muslim women. about > the reference to the koran and about how brothers could do what they > thought necessary defending their sister. according to my best friend's > (a muslim) mom, a husband has all authority over his wife, and unless he > is doing something directly abusive, the family is not supposed to > interfere. if the wife asks for help, then they will give it, but > brothers have no right in the tractional islamic family to interfere with > a marriage. > thanks > Lisa > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:44:09 EST > From: Tori805@aol.com > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > In a message dated 98-01-26 00:55:29 EST, you write: > > << i was just wondering...i always figured saty had something also to do with > rape or incest due to all of its use w/rainn. > which would make the abortion theme twice as likely. > so, i think that maybe the jeans have something to do with this, but i don't > know exactly how, >> > > I'm pretty sure that Tori's rape experience was at least the springboard for > this song. She didn't talk about it for a lot of years, then finally she did > in SATY. Hence, the title. But, I do think there are a lot of other things > all rolled up inside. I think it's about everything that she hadn't been > talking about for all those years, including the rape. > just my input... > - -Sue > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:34:48 CST > From: "rosalind's pea soup" > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > Just so everyone isn't in the dark on this one...tori was verbally > threatened and physically assaulted, but she wasn't raped.(this was > discussed a few months back, but we've had a small explosion in > subscriptions since then) > I don't think this alteration matters so much in the scope of things, > however, because she obviously was terrorized by the occurrence, and > by her honesty and willingness to share her story she has helped so > many others who have been raped and/or terrorized. She took a > horrible piece of her life and split it wide open in order to help > people. That's up there with Mother Theresa. > > just my little bit of cents and a cigar. > > i'll go now kiddies. > > don't eat too many lucky charms or you'll turn into a green clover. > > i swear. > > > > "thanks for your interest, > but my thing is already > just the right size..." > -miss ani d.- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:42:17 EST > From: Lil3rthqks > Subject: Re: Cornflake Girl > > In a message dated 98-01-26 05:10:11 EST, Eichmiller@cardiff.ac.uk writes: > > << I noticed some people discussing the lyrics to Cornflake Girl. I > just wanted to say that Cornflake girl was written about Alice > Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy. >> > > i understand most of the song, except...what is the signifigance of the word > "cornflake" ? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:11:22 EST > From: Cindergirl > Subject: pictures > > Recently on my picture editing software, i made this album thing with pictures > of Tori. I used the ones out of the Boys For Pele piano book. then i took some > lyrics from each song and put them on the pictures and it turned out looking > really neat. so if anyone wants some pics of Tori for their computer email me > personally and i'll send it to you > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:52:31 -0500 > From: Mikewhy > Subject: Re: SATY Theory > > rosalind's pea soup posted: > > > <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:40:52 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Websters..... Hi guys, I guess my post on "SATY" was a little late, sorry about that. I just read mike's posting and definition, and this is NOT a flame, but 2 and 3 sound like old english definitions. In todays vocabulary we call 2- kidnapping, and 3- exactly what it says, violation, or abuse. Mike, I say this with the utmost respect to you, for you are a Tori God, I just happen to disagree with a particular perspective you hold. With all due respect, Melissa~H (Myssa) **************************************************************************** ******** " I believe in rainbows and all of that, but there are darker colors, the rainbow contains every color and it's the shade that defines the light" ~~~TORI AMOS **************************************************************************** ******** - ---------- > From: precious-things@smoe.org > To: Myssa > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #31 > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 1:59 AM > > > > precious-things-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 031 > > > > Today's Subjects: > ----------------- > Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics [ChinaDust ] > Re: no...more covers? aahhh! [Seraephina@aol.com] > Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics ["/meade ee" ] > Re: Tori songs about abortion? [Torifile ] > TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI.... OH YEAH- TORI [Shea Thomas Re: Tori and Korn [Quinn024 ] > GE soundtrack [NaughtyEmp ] > peter steele? eek! [rain ] > muhammad my friend.... ["Sullen Girl" ] > Re: New Tori Song; 2 [A Faerie ] > Re: saty [FlutterVxn ] > Re: peter steele? eek! [Serra Angel ] > Re: many subjects, all thought provoking i think [geministar@webtv.net] > The CD is done! ["John M." ] > Re: The CD is done! [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer)] > saty and MMF ["Hanna Paulus" ] > MMF [Rachel Roth ] > Re: saty and MMF [Shea Thomas ] > Re: New Tori Song; 2 [WeirdyBoi ] > MMF [pigs@swva.net (Erin Martin)] > my SATY theory ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] > Re: my SATY theory [jjacobsen@huntingdon.edu (Jennifer Jacobsen)] > Re: my SATY theory ["Hanna Paulus" ] > Tori on TV ["K. Fischer" ] > chatter chatter chatter... ["/meade ee" ] > re: many subjects [Beth Coulter ] > re: a girl in bethlehem ["Heather the fairy" ] > re: a girl in bethlehem [Charlie Poole ] > Politics and Tori [Traumachik@aol.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:21:30 EST > From: ChinaDust > Subject: Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics > > I can't tell you EXACTLY since I don't have an official lyric sheet or > anything, but it sounds like, to me, "oh ho the sky," just something simple. > > eileen > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:16:25 EST > From: Seraephina@aol.com > Subject: Re: no...more covers? aahhh! > > uhm, the type o neg thing is SCARY...i mean i really dont want to hear peter > steele covering such a beautiful song...i dunno. he frightens me A LOT. > > > > xoxo > sera > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:30:20 PST > From: "/meade ee" > Subject: Re: Take to the Sky/lyrics > > I'm unsure if this information is new or even important to everyone, but > since i have other things to say i'll combine them. > > the forgotten lyrics to take to the sky are: > there she goes again > wearing those purple panties > there she goes again > wearing her heart > there she goes again > > i've been somewhat facinated with the forgotten lyrics of tori's songs > over the past year or so and have compiled a list of them on my site > (http://stain.simplenet.com/) they're at > http://stain.simplenet.com/lyrics/forgot.html > > of course, they could be wrong. these are "educated guesses". <: > > /meade > > ********************************************* > he says he rekons i'm a watercolour stain > he says i run and then i run from him and then i run > he didn't see me watching from the aeroplane > he wiped a tear and then he threw away our apple seed > tori ** father lucifer > > http://stain.simplenet.com/ > ********************************************* > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:31:37 EST > From: Torifile > Subject: Re: Tori songs about abortion? > > Well in father lucifer , she states that. "The babies still in its comatose > state." and "lost the sunset behind her." Thats why I think its about > abortion > > Davey > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:47:55 -0800 (PST) > From: Shea Thomas > Subject: TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI-TORI.... OH YEAH- TORI > > TORI IS / I love Tori!!!!!!!!!!!!! > TORI'S MUSIC IS NEAT-O. > > > > LOVE TO YOU ALL.... > shiniqua > > > "Every man dies, but not every man really lives"- > William Wallace > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:17:54 EST > From: Quinn024 > Subject: Re: Tori and Korn > > Hey- > > In a message dated 98-01-23 17:30:22 EST, demby@pilot.infi.net writes: > > << Tori Amos and Korn doing a song together, what do y'all think? >> > > You don't want to know... > > Peace, > NeilQuinn > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:29:47 EST > From: NaughtyEmp > Subject: GE soundtrack > > HIyas all! > I would just like to let everyone know that I can now die a happy woman! I > finally got my hands on the GE soundtrack! ::dance:: It took three different > cities and a ton of stores, but I have it in my possession! It's absolutely > wonderful. Now I don't feel so left in the dark. I finally know what all of > ya'll have been talkin about. Sorry, I know this is nonsense, but I feel > better > > Melissa > > > Touch hands and part with laughter > touch lips and part with tears > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:51:06 -0800 > From: rain > Subject: peter steele? eek! > > *l* well it might not be beautiful, but it would be very > interesting...maybe he could do some tripped out stuff in the backround > like he did in black number one or red water...and the scarey thing is, > to me, quite obviousely an act. nevertheless, he creates interesting and > sometimes very good (yes, it *can* be beautiful) music. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >uhm, the type o neg thing is SCARY...i mean i really dont want to hear >peter > >steele covering such a beautiful song...i dunno. he frightens me A LOT. > > > > - -- > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from > my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across > the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i > can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high > priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock > Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me > much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more > ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the > inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then > things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big > moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:17:37 PST > From: "Sullen Girl" > Subject: muhammad my friend.... > > okay..first off. my name is jackie, i'm 19 and am in massachusetts. > this is my first post, so bear with me. ;^) > > > "Muhammad my friend > > it's time to tell the world > > we both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem..." > > > > my interpretation of this has always been more along the lines of tori > asking muhammad to come clean and tell everyone that when jesus was born > in that manger in bethlehem...he was a she. i'd never really looked at > it any other way but that. > > "and on that fateful day > when she was crucified..." > > this seems to just...keep the theme going. > > i dunno...just my thoughts... > > now after all this talk about interpretation...i'm curious. can anyone > recommend a good site (or sites...) with some? i've already been to > torimaniacs but, i'd be curious to see more... > > alrighty, then. take care, all! ---->jackie > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:21:33 -0600 > From: A Faerie > Subject: Re: New Tori Song; 2 > > Marcel Rijs said: > > <<"The concert for RAINN" and one bonus track. > It was called "Abbey Road" (just like the Beatles album and the EMI > studio)and was announced as a "new studio track from Tori, december > 1996". I didn't buy this CD, but maybe someone has got it?>> > > Tori did cover Abbey Road in 96, when she did Acoustic Cafe on 9/27/96, > and it also included a new song, Oom Laboomleigh, and This Old Man. > > Danica > - -- > ....The moon has nothing to be sad about > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/5612/glittermain.html > All That Glitters....Is Sour (yes that be a homepage) > > For I am gone to the fairy people.... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:36:27 EST > From: FlutterVxn > Subject: Re: saty > > In a message dated 98-01-24 01:14:56 EST, evaeva@eden.com writes: > > << "Things are getting kinda gross.. > And I go at sleepy time > This is not real, this is not really happening. > You bet your life it is.. > Peel out the watchword.. > She knows what's going on > Seems we got a cheaper feel now..." > (and then she starts to lose me.. heh) >> > > i kinda see this as a dream she was having as opposed to something happening > at that time. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:32:25 -0600 (CST) > From: Serra Angel > Subject: Re: peter steele? eek! > > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, rain wrote: > > > *l* well it might not be beautiful, but it would be very > > interesting...maybe he could do some tripped out stuff in the backround > > like he did in black number one or red water...and the scarey thing is, > > to me, quite obviousely an act. nevertheless, he creates interesting and > > sometimes very good (yes, it *can* be beautiful) music. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Well when Tori covers someone else's song she puts her self into it, as > opposed to trying to copy what someone else has done. I always loved that > because the lyrics seems to mean soemthing completely unexpected when > Tori sings them, something unintended. Therefore I think it would be cool > for someone like Peter Steele to sing a Tori song.. it would be at the > very least instructive, if not giving a little back.. Tori obviously > really likes it when people make renditions of her songs, or at least > help her collaborate, and I don't think she would be offended by Korn or > Marilyn Manson (especially not with the NIN connection there) or Type O > specifically because she likes that kind of subversion. To put Maynard > from Tool on the stage with her singing a song about how the son of God > is really a female, only to before beg Trent Reznor to sing with her on a > song about (in my opinion) Mary Magdalyn's relationship with Christ... I > mean it always seemed like the essence of masculinity paired wth the > essence of femininity. > > Kahlan > "When will you wake up? I want you more than the stars and the sun... > But I can take only so much... cool on your island." > (Does this remind anyone else of La Isla Bonita by Madonna?) :) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:33:14 -0500 > From: geministar@webtv.net > Subject: Re: many subjects, all thought provoking i think > > Victoria, > > I do remember reading that the "bleed real soon" part was in reference > to a woman thinking she was pregnant and telling the lover that he'd > better hope she got her period soon. > > "how's that thought for you?" > > ~geministar* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:26:58 GMT > From: "John M." > Subject: The CD is done! > > The CD is done, if interested then drop me an e-mail. Thanks. > > TORI AMOS > The Untold Tori: Volume 1 > > 1. American Pie > 2. Candle In The Wind > 3. A Case Of You > 4. Cooling > 5. Daniel > 6. Little Drummer Boy > 7. Imagine > 8. I'm On Fire > 9. Sentimental Journey > 10. Lovesong > 11. Summertime > 12. Ain't No Sunshine > 13. Tiny Dancer > 14. Thunder Road > 15. Father Lucifer/Tubular Bells/Small Town Boy > 16. Whoomph! There It Is > 17. Butterfly > 18. Graveyard > 19. Happy Workers > 20. Losing My Religion > 21. Siren > > Time 73:36 > > - -- > Mail_1 [ webmaster@tori.demon.co.uk ] WWW [ www.tori.demon.co.uk= > ] > Mail_2 [ billyking@hotmail.com ] ICQ [ 5 6 0 5 4 6 5 = > ] > Ob_CD [ Puddle Dive by Ani Difranco (Cooking Vinyl, Cook CD 132) = > ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:31:32 -0600 > From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) > Subject: Re: The CD is done! > > "John M." writes: > > > The CD is done, if interested then drop me an e-mail. Thanks. > > > > TORI AMOS > > The Untold Tori: Volume 1 > > > > 19. Happy Workers > > 21. Siren > > With the pissy mood the RIAA has been in lately (see, among others: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html > http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/980114/980114_2492.shtml > ), I certainly wouldn't want to be publicly offering any self-manufactured > boots for sale (or even 2:1 trades) right now. Especially ones with > readily available commercial works on them (which seems to get them > extremely riled up, and rightly so, IMHO). I don't know the source of the > other tracks on this disc, but these two haven't been performed live, > so... > > Tori may not get much from the purchase of soundtracks on which she > appears, but unless she's sold complete rights to it, I'm pretty sure > she gets something. > > bob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:51:45 PST > From: "Hanna Paulus" > Subject: saty and MMF > > I never thought of SATY as a song about incest, only abortion because > "my screams got lost in a paper cup" is in reference to the pregnancy > test, "think there's a heaven where some screams have gone" she > pregnant and she doesn't want he rbaby so she wants to get it aborted "I > got $25 and a cracker do you think it's enough to get us there" she > only has $25 and she's wondering if that is enough to get an abortion > > > <<< Continued to next message >>> ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #34 ************************************