From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #32 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, January 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Talula: Abortion??? [lilchibi@flash.net] SATY [The Bursar ] Re: MMF [AstroKitty ] mp3's [Cindergirl ] ??????? [JupiterCMS ] song interpretations [Abbe J Cohen ] Re: ~Cornflakes~ [Nadyne Mielke ] Tori and Disney ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: song interpretations ["Hanna Paulus" ] looking for Vertigo Tarots, Tori poster by Mckean, Vess' Midsummer's Night Dream ["Josh Kostka" ] Tori Boots on cd-r [Liz ] Disney [Len Demby ] Re: Tori and Disney [Ashley Blaize ] VH-1 Crossroad [Len Demby ] Interp of Lyrics [Beth Coulter ] SATY [Beth Winegarner ] Kewl [JupiterCMS ] Honoring Mr. Whitehead's Graying of the Ears [Charlie Poole ] Re: Interp of Lyrics [WeirdyBoi ] Talula,ERic [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: super bowl [ChinaDust ] Re: Tori Covers [woj ] Re: Tori Covers [ChinaDust@aol.com] Who is Tori Amos anyways ? [JupiterCMS ] Re: super bowl [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: super bowl [Anavrin560 ] Re: song interpretations [FlutterVxn ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #31 ["Dave and Melissa" ] Re: Muhammed, Mozart, and Tori Covers [Richard Holmes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:28:31 -0600 From: lilchibi@flash.net Subject: Talula: Abortion??? >"Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to >as a song aboput abortion >Funny...it was my belief that parts of "Father Lucifer" were about abortion? > *********** Well, I've read several quotes from Tori concerning Talula. >From what I've read, the song was about her break up with boyf Eric Rosse. >>> "I don't want to lose him, he must be worth losing if it is worth something..." I always figured it this way... Because its kind of a rule to lose things that are worth something to you. (kinda just like you never find something when you are looking for it, but when you're not, YOU find it.) Neways... I kinda thought that because she loved him, he was worth so much to her, it was just "habit" that she had to lose him. Tori talked about finding the "ideal women" inside of her and being able to dance freely after her loss. I guess its kinda of like her willingness/ability to recover. But even still I am kinda confused at the part starting with "and Jamaica..." So I am still kinda clueless. Your suggestions, comments, anything. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:52:08 +0000 (GMT) From: The Bursar Subject: SATY Hi people, I've never equated the song with abortion or sex or anything. I've always seen it (maybe due to the middle eight) as a song about Tori's religious/sexual repression all through her life until the era when she began to write the songs for Little Earthquakes and exorcise her 'demons'. "I got something to say but nothing comes.." She has a fire, a drive in her belly, but it won't come out.. "Sometimes I hear my voice and it's been here, silent all these years" An admission she has her inner voice but she packed it away years ago to deal with the rape, etc. "Years go by, will I still be waiting.." Self-explanatory really. Paul - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- | "Uh, aha, uh, let's go to Rixy's! http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | Elysium! Rowing! Rugby! Facking hell! http://toristuff.home.ml.org | Rowing! Elysium!" - A Durham Bloke speaks - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Unemployment is not a disease but the natural, healthy functioning of an advanced technological society." - Robert Anton Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:51:46 EST From: AstroKitty Subject: Re: MMF She sang "Away In A Manger" as an intro to Muhammad My Friend. (At the sellout concert in Tampa, anyway.) She said she was in church and everyone was singing Away In A Manger except for her. And her father said, "Sing, Tori Ellen, we're supposed to sing along." And she said, "I *know* dad." And she goes on to say that she couldn't hear that song in her head, that it was "changing in her brain." Then she sings what she heard: "[wordless vocalizations] Away in a manger, no crib for a bed, Muhammad my friend, I said yes we both know, we both know it was a girl..." and starts into the song. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:45:05 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: mp3's The Tori Amos Music Corner... Get your MP3's ... a while back a web address was given for this site, and i have since lost it. if anyone knows it (and i know you do!) please post it again:) thanx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:51:23 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: ??????? Did anyone ever think that someone could just write a song....Just To Confuse Everyone ???????? Like write it about something that no one could ever know what it was about for their own harmony ????...well maybe thats what Tori did... peace out ~ Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:43:33 -0500 From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: song interpretations I see a lot of themes in SATY that all sort of blend together and tell a story--the abusive relationship where someone else keeps telling you how terrible you are, makes it impossible for you to say anything or to be your own person, etc; the feeling that despite all that you can't deal with losing him and you want him to see that *you're* someone special (what if i'm a mermaid), not the other girl who thinks "really deep thoughts" or the ones whose name is on the jeans; beginning to come to the realization that you *can* find your own person and you do want to have the chance to be that person; and that now that all of this is happening to you he's gotten you pregnant (boy you best pray that i bleed real soon) and you wind up having an abortion (my scream got lost in a paper cup) and you're still left with all of these emotions, about the relationship tumbling apart, about the abortion, about the abuse, about wanting to be who you want to be... Talula to me also sounds like it's about the dilemma between having a child and not. (Not quite about abortion, the issue, but more about an individual person thinking about her own decision whether to have one). I see it in both the "i don't wan't to lose you; it must be worth losing if it is worth something" and also lines like "she said one and one was two but henry said it was three" - she doesn't want children, he does, so he had her put to death (but he did it right quickly the merciful man)... There's more, but i don't have the lyrics in front of me to add anything right now. I'm terrible at putting Tori's music into coherent words. I think she's already done it better than we can, and that it never tells a straightforward, coherent story, it's more like a jumble of thoughts that all come together beautifully and the feelings and emotions and themes come at you in little waves. But anyway, I tried, and there you have it... - -abbe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:41:31 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: ~Cornflakes~ On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, FlutterVxn wrote: > okay i dont know and cant remember if this ever came up in precious convo > lately or before *but* does anyone know why the so called CD5 maxi single US > edition of cornflake girl has only 4 songs...cuz cd5's are supposed to have 5 > or so i thought. thanks and watermelons.... I haven't seen anyone reply to this yet . . . CD5s aren't called that because of the number of the songs on it, but because of the size of the CD itself. Remember when CDs first came out? Some singles were 3" across {I haven't seen one of those in a -long- time}. They used the name CD3 and CD5 to differentiate between the two. So all of Tori's US singles, with the exception of the Crucify and Hey Jupiter EPs {EP stands for 'extended play'}, are CD5s. :) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:12:07 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Tori and Disney I have a question for you all, if Tori did the Disney songs which ones do you think would sound really cool?...I personally think she could do the Pocahontas song Colours of The Wind really well, especially since she is part Cherokee, it would be kind of cool, or Under the Sea from the little Mermaid, which ones do you guys think??? ~Hanna~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:28:55 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Re: song interpretations >"she said >one and one was two but henry said it was three" - she doesn't want >children, he does, so he had her put to death (but he did it right >quickly the merciful man)... I never thought if it like that, but now I kind of do, I always thought that line was referring to King Henry and and he had a mistress, but his wife didn't want him to, so he put her to death and married his mistress, but that's just my way, and I think that also makes sence with what someone said how the song was about Eric Rosse, and then it also kind of goes along with Doughnut Song "You told me last night you were a sun now with your very own devoted satelite" meaning while he was with her he found some better and went with her, so the kind of go together, I guess... But Tori also said that each person has their own interpritation for every song and it means a certian thing to that person because that's what they *want* it to mean, and they need that song to mean that, and that like every song means something different to you and Tori, but Tori has it for her needs and you interpretate it to fit your needs. Just my $.02... ~Hanna~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:01:04 PST From: "Josh Kostka" Subject: looking for Vertigo Tarots, Tori poster by Mckean, Vess' Midsummer's Night Dream Hi Everybody, Does anybody know where I can find any of this stuff?: 1. The poster of Tori by my fave artust Dave McKean 2. The Set of Mckean's Vertigo Tarot cards. 3. Charles Vess' "A Midsummer's Night Dream" - not the Sandman story but a full adaption of the play.(not published by DC/Vertigo) Thanks, Josh PS - about the Death/Tori tshirt I asked about before, I found out about it. It was made specially in France for some comic shops around there. It's not official and they only made about five hundred which have sold out..... :( ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:03:25 PST From: "Josh Kostka" Subject: looking for Vertigo Tarots, Tori poster by Mckean, Vess' Midsummer's Night Dream Hi Everybody, Does anybody know where I can find any of this stuff?: 1. The poster of my fave singer Tori Amos by my fave artust Dave McKean 2. The Set of Mckean's Vertigo Tarot cards. 3. Charles Vess' "A Midsummer's Night Dream" - not the Sandman story but a full adaption of the play.(not published by DC/Vertigo) Thanks, Josh PS - about the Death/Tori Amos tshirt I asked about before, I found out about it. It was made specially in France for some comic shops around there. It's not official and they only made about five hundred which have sold out..... :( ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:32:51 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: Re: Tori and Disney i think tori would be great at (i don't really know the name of it) "part of that world" on the little mermaid, or maybe "Hakuna mattata" on the Lion king ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:43:16 -0900 (AKST) From: Liz Subject: Tori Boots on cd-r Anyone interested in trading Tori boots (or Cure boots) on cd-r, please email me at fsmel@aurora.alaska.edu ~~Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:04:24 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Disney I think she should do "Trust in Me" from Jungle Book. Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:21:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Re: Tori and Disney Here are some Disney songs that I think Tori would do exceptionally well on: "Cruela DeVil" "Zippity Doo Dah" "When You Wish Upon a Star" "Someday My Prince Will Come" "Chim-chimminy, chim-chimminy, chim chim cheri" (Or what ever!) "Hakuna Matataa" "Circle of Life" "Prince Ali" "A Whole New World" "Beauty & the Beast" "A Spoonful of Sugar" and "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" That's all I can think of right now! I think especially Hakuna Matataa and Crulea DeVil. Maybe in the next tour we could do some requesting...... :) Take Care! === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:20:01 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: VH-1 Crossroad Does anyone know where I can get an "Import Version" of her VH-1 Crossroad performance. Love, Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:27:34 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Interp of Lyrics In my opinion, the Dent has a wonderful "Thoughts" section with different interps of Toris' songs. That's the place I would begin to look. I also Like the "Tori Vault" to find out exactly what the lyrics are. http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/2568/ Hope that helps. Fairy Blessings, Beth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:16:43 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: SATY Hi all, I just wanted to say something about the couple of lines in SATY that everyone's talking about. "My scream got lost in a paper cup I think there's a heaven where some screams have gone I've got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think it's enough to get us there?" Ok. We already know Tori's talking about a possible pregnancy because of the "Boy you best pray that I bleed real soon" line. So I would agree about the paper cup = pregnancy test. However, I think when she's talking about the heaven where her screams went, she's talking about wanting to go there, which is why she says what she says in the next line. Is $25 and a cracker (eucharist) enough to get her into heaven so she can get her screams back? And not be silent anymore? Ok, so it's just my opinion, but I like it. :) Beth - -- "People always say you should be yourself, like yourself is this definite thing, like a toaster, or something. Like you can know what it is, even. But every so often, I'll have like -- a moment, where being myself, and my life right where I am is, like, enough." (Angela Chase, My So-Called Life) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:23:41 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: Kewl Hangin' With the Raisin Girl http://www.bright.net/~raisin This is a site that I have been meaning to bring to your attention for a while. It has an interesting selection of Tori stuff, such as bootleg reviews, info on rarities which I have never seen anywhere else, and even the occasional Tori contest! Now, I have never won any of these contests, but maybe you can try your luck at winning a cool prize. This page is one not to miss. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:54:20 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Honoring Mr. Whitehead's Graying of the Ears Greetings fellow Toriphiles, Nadyne Mielke , has referred to me in RDT(RN), with absolutely no respect whatsoever, as Charlie Poole (king o' the old farts). Sadly, however, it is true. Beth Coulter , with impeccable taste and great kindness recently bestowed on me the title, King of the Grey Ears, a title I carry with full awareness of its awesome responsibility and the realization of my quickening mortality. Recently Beth wrote me, "And I have a request, dear King. Mikewhy is going to be 31 on Jan. 28. I think he should be made an honorary Greyears as a B-day present. Heck, he's officially *in* his 30's, old enough not to trust himself anymore (obscure Abby Hoffman reference), but only the King can grant such honorary status." Being King of the Grey Ears the Abby Hoffman reference is not at all obscure, "Never trust anyone over 30." Therefore, in complete agreement with Lady Beth, I, with the powers vested in my as King of the Grey Ears hereby dub Mr. Michael Whitehead, Webmaster of The Dent, Defender of Louisville, Worshipful Subject in the Church of Tori, and generally Wonderful Human Being, an member in good standing of the holy order of Grey Ears with full benefits thereof. This should be deemed to be a regular membership rather than an honorary one. I believe Michael has earned this position of respect to be accorded to one's elders. As the King it is also within my province to administer additional titles of royalty. Therefore, I would also like to take this opportunity on his day of birth to appoint Michael Grey Ears to be an honored Page in the Temple of Tori and recognize him as King of the Tori Amos Net Universe. My I humbly request that all loyal subjects in the Temple of Tori, all Grey Ears (both real and wannabes), and anyone else with vested interests, to please send birthday greetings to Michael Grey Ears on, or before, this Tuesday, January the 28th. May we fill his e-mail box with a 1000 messages. Greetings, salutations, and condolences may be sent to: Michael L. Whitehead at mikewhy@iglou.com For anyone who doesn't know who Mike is (and I can't imagine that there is anyone in Toriland who doesn't), he is the creator and webmaster of A Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe which has got to be the most complete collection of Tori information and news on the entire Internet, the entire world, the universe even (with the possible exception of Tori's immediate family). If you have never visited (or haven't lately) go to: http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html Congratulation, Mike, on your encroaching senility. May you make the age of 31 at least three times over and have a successful reign as King of the Tori Amos Net Universe. With lots of love and affection, In Tori, Charles W. Poole, King of the Grey Ears - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:30:07 -0500 From: Phyllis Lynn Spiece Subject: super bowl So I am sitting here watching the super bowl and just heard Jewel sing the National Anthem. Wouldn't it be great to hear Tori sing it??? What do you think? Tori hugs, Phyllis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:50:26 EST From: WeirdyBoi Subject: Re: Interp of Lyrics In a message dated 98-01-25 15:01:38 EST, betheqt@voicenet.com writes: << In my opinion, the Dent has a wonderful "Thoughts" section with different interps of Toris' songs. That's the place I would begin to look. I also Like the "Tori Vault" to find out exactly what the lyrics are. http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/2568/ Hope that helps. >> I just thought i'd mention that if you want info and interpretations of Tori's songs from Tori herself, check out my site, Toriphoria... We have quotes from Tori about every song on her three solo albums. http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/Toriphoria.html A lot of major updates are going on now, too, so we hope you find it particularly yummy... j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Talula,ERic I thought hat Putting the Damage On was about her break up with ERic. Jess Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:46:13 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: super bowl In a message dated 98-01-25 19:17:40 EST, spiece@lynchburg.edu writes: << So I am sitting here watching the super bowl and just heard Jewel sing the National Anthem. Wouldn't it be great to hear Tori sing it??? What do you think? Tori hugs, Phyllis >> Jewel. Jewel. Jewel, Jewel sang the national anthem. Gaaaaa! ::hurl:: Gahd, what I would give to hear Tori sing the national anthem.... ::sigh:: what's happening to the world? why don't more people see how great Tori is? and if they do, would posers try to claim the Ears With Feet title? Grrr. Jewel, Jewel sang the national anthem. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:10:04 -0500 From: woj Subject: Re: Tori Covers also sprach Mike Richman: >Richard Handal, H.G. sez: >> I find Tori's *music* to be uniquely inspired and brilliant, and I was >> just thinking a while ago this morning that it's odd to me that her lyrics >> are discussed about 50 times more than her music is--even realizing that >> it's much simpler to discuss words than it is sounds. >The problem is that all of us are trained to analyze >words since birth whereas few of us have studied music. i don't think it is necessary to have studied music theory or composition to have an appreciation for tori's music (or anyone else's music, for that matter). yes, knowing about bass clefs and time signatures and such can be useful on one level, but there is the subconscious, feeling level as well. take me for an example. i know *squat* about music (well, i can tell 3/4, 4/4 and 5/4 time apart, but that's about it), but tori's music was the first thing that sang to me. her piano playing on _little earthquakes_ captivated me -- i didn't even notice the lyrics until much later. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:50:23 EST From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Covers In a message dated 98-01-25 21:32:44 EST, woj@smoe.org writes: << >> just thinking a while ago this morning that it's odd to me that her lyrics >> are discussed about 50 times more than her music is--even realizing that >> it's much simpler to discuss words than it is sounds. lyrics are already words themselves, so it shouldn't be difficult to use more words to discuss them. music isn't verbal, and it's really difficult to analyze with concrete words. i think this has something to do with the leftbrain/rightbrain psychology? >The problem is that all of us are trained to analyze >words since birth whereas few of us have studied music. >> yeah. our society and education system puts MUCH more emphasis on the linguistic/analytical, while even going as far as to DISCOURAGE the artistic/human. and it's kind of sad, because if you don't save yourself in time, you turn into one of those dried-up, one-sided intellectuals. i mean, you know those "musical" prodigies who can play the piano with computer-like accuracy, but not feel any emotion? that's what tori was getting to a few times when she talked about the peabody conservatory. eileen "Flowers are better than bullets" - --Young college girl, randomly shot to death during an anti-war demonstration by guards, moments after tucking a flower into the barrel of a soldier's rifle. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:15:41 EST From: JupiterCMS Subject: Who is Tori Amos anyways ? I was watching the superbowl National Anthem and Jewel was singing...and I was like...man...why did they get her ? (i mean she is ok and all but i like tori so much better) Then I said to my sister (Kaylynn, who is 26) ...... I like Tori Amos so much better than Jewel...and Kaylynn says " Oh yeah I know I dont like Jewel either but.......Who is Tori Amos ?"...I was astonished b/c I've been listening to Tori 4 a long time and she has heard me play her songs in my car & in my house..and I just couldnt believe that she wouldnt know who she was !!!! That is the problem..the average everyday person doesnt know who Tori is...and this is just a fact that positively has to be stopped....so tell everyone you know about Tori...shout it to the hills.....(no I'm not insane I just am a really big fan of Tori....hehe...LOL)... peace out ~ Dusk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:09:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: super bowl I would not wantto hear Tori sing the National Anthem for several reasons: - - She might get too noticed - - Her interpretyaion probably would not be socially acceptable - - I would not like her interpretation Ther are just some people you really like as artists that should not sing the anthem because it doesn't fit them (NIN, Manson, KIss,etc) (I am Not rendering an opnion on theirwork other than they would not be my fitrst choice to sihng the anthem) Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:02:54 EST From: Anavrin560 Subject: Re: super bowl actually what I thought about when I heard the national anthem was the story i read in Tori's biography "All These years" when she and Michael Stipe did a duet of the anthem over dinner. I thought now wouldn't that be cool? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:59:32 EST From: FlutterVxn Subject: Re: song interpretations you guys know about king henry and what a bastard he was.....elizabeth couldnt have boys....henry wanted a boy!! no girls.......none. he beheaded her cuz of it....no mistress....he was just greedy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:54:23 -0500 From: "Dave and Melissa" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #31 Hello All! This is a test.....this is only a test.....had this been an actual post, I would know where to send this! I'm unsure if this is the address to send this to or not. So excuse the inconvience! New to this all.... Melissa H (Myssa) "Could mortal lip divine The undeveloped freight of a delivered syllable, 'T would crumble with the weight." ~Emily Dickinson - ---------- > From: precious-things@smoe.org > To: Myssa > Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #31 > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 1:59 AM > > > <<< This message is part 3 of a previous message >>> > > > don't see it particularly a comment on the patriarchal domination as it > > is a comparison between religions. > > You're right, of course, that they both came "from the girl" if, in fact, > christ ever actually was born. But I think that it's much more than a > lesson in comparative religion. IMHO, followers of christ and mohammed are > the MOST patriarchial of all of the world's major religions. According to > the NT, god is the head of man and man is the head of woman. (Sorry I > don't have one in front of me so I can give the exact quote.) Surely this > is what Tori is referring to. She's been very vocal about her distaste > (contempt even) for the patriarchial aspects of organized, contemporary > religions. Perhaps she's saying, "Hey muslums, wake up and smell the > coffee and you too, christians." (With apologies to Ann Landers and also > Tori.) Muslums "just don't get it" any more than do mainstream xians. > > In Tori, > > Charlie > > - -- > +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ > | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | > +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ > | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | > | with sad. --Tori Amos | > | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:50:00 -0500 (EST) > From: Traumachik@aol.com > Subject: Politics and Tori > > >I think that anyone growing up within the DC area would have >a problem with > the people who run the government, and didn't >Tori play the DC area alot? > And more so with "The >Wrong Band" where she sings about the senator > setting Ginger >up with the "new prosecuter". > Tori knew a prostitute who was handed around on Capitol Hill while she (Tori) > was a lounge singer in DC, and "The Wrong Band" was about her. > - --Chelsea > > ------------------------------ > > End of precious-things-digest V3 #31 > ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Muhammed, Mozart, and Tori Covers Anki writes: > Subject: Muhammad my friend > > "Muhammad my friend > it's time to tell the world > we both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem..." > > I don't know if it's my wild imagination or... > But does anyone else think that Tori indicates that Mary (the mother of = > Christ) slept with or was raped by Muhammad? And that "it's time to tell = > the world" means that the whole Christianity is based on a lie. Only = > beacause it was too dangerous for Mary in that time being pregnant = > without being married. So she had to lie to save her skin? What do you = > all think?=20 I always thought of it more metaphorically; Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha, all these "guys" seem to have the "monopoly" on holiness; Perhaps in it she means that the Magdalene was "the girl"; in _The Moon Under Her Feet_, a novel with historical references and citations, the theory is put forth that Magdalene is a title for the succession of sacred Priestesses (Hence Mary, as well as the preistess before her, were both referred to as "The Magdalene" by the followers of the Goddess, but of course referred to as "The whore of Babylon" by some others). Just one thought of many on the interpretation ; I tend to keep it pretty open in my own mind; perhaps that is more the intent, to open one's mind to the possibilities. "Capriccio 191" (Jenn??) writes: > Subject: Mozart/Tori > > Just a brief coment here... > > I actually think that if reincarnation exists then Tori could be Mozart. > >From what I've studied of him he seemed to be a very quirky guy who was > an absolutely brilliant musician. He could write entire symphonies in > his head. He didn't have to sit down and fiddle around with the notes. > He heard them in his head and just knew them. > > >Actually, people like Mozart and Bach tend to be over-rated, IMO. >Why > pick on certain people and say they're the greatest, and lord it >over > others by saying, "well, s/he's no Mozart". ;-) > > I think Mozart was absolutely briliant. Ok, what I meant was that we don't really know if all those legends are true; I do think his music is some of the better stuff surviving from that period. I think also that these legends tend to become larger than life; sure I'll agree he's musically brilliant, but so are many others. If fame had smiled on other musicians the same way, they might have these "larger than life" stories floating about as well. And it is still true that people use the "greats" to intimidate people from even trying; there were times when music was more communal and less a pompous show; idolizing anyone tends to lead away from an attitude that everyone should create and towards an attitude that only the phenomenally "gifted" deserve to create music; and we all know everyone starts somewhere. I recall the story of a 54-year-old who never played music who took up the cello and became a symphony player in a major symphony (I was a kid when I saw this so I don't have the details). Renee Canada writes: > Subject: Tori Covers > > I was really trying to think about why I personally like Tori covers so > much as well. I have to agree that the original spin Tori puts on all her > covers is really what i think makes the song more than just a cover. To > me, they sound like Tori originals. > She truly *is* my biggest influence as a songwriter > myself. Even though my style is uniquely my own, I still credit her for > the inspiration to be brave and allow myself begin my own journey into the > whirlwind of emotion and song. I too find it amazing how she can bring out emotions in songs that didn't make as much an impression in their original forms; and also how she can do a take-off of a song and make it a very powerful statement (such as "Home on the Range"). I even like "ring my bell", which is a much- bemoaned song on this group, though 'tis not my favorite... The emotion on "case of you" is really intense. - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "In the name of Annah the Allmaziful, the @ | Everliving, the Bringer of Plurabilities, haloed @ , , | , , be her eve, her singtime sung, her rill be run, @ ' ' ' ' ' unhemmed as it is uneven!" @ - J. J. @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:30:01 EST From: Tasha325 Subject: Re: my SATY theory i personally think that it is a wonderful theory... i was just wondering...i always figured saty had something also to do with rape or incest due to all of its use w/rainn. which would make the abortion theme twice as likely. so, i think that maybe the jeans have something to do with this, but i don't know exactly how, and i'm too tired... ;0 anistasha ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #32 ************************************