From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #30 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, January 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mozart's Sister Nannerl [Ruthless ] allsorts [Brian the Lion ] Tori and Marilyn Manson? Nope. [Traumachik@aol.com] ~Cornflakes~ [FlutterVxn ] RAINN Benefit Concert Video [Jennifer Cypres ] Tori and Korn [Len Demby ] no...more covers? aahhh! [rain ] Re: Muhammad my friend [Serra Angel ] Re: allsorts [ChinaDust ] Tori songs about abortion? [Traumachik@aol.com] Re: Tori songs about abortion? ["Saige the Faerie Princess" ] many subjects, all thought provoking i think [Cindergirl ] Take to the Sky/lyrics [Lil3rthqks ] Re: saty [Serra Angel ] Re: Tori songs about abortion? [Serra Angel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:04:05 GMT0BST From: Ruthless Subject: Re: Mozart's Sister Nannerl Hi everybody, OK- yes, Tori believes in reincarnation and perhaps she could have been Mozart as some of you suggested but I prefer to believe she was Nannerl Mozart- his sister. In letter after letter to his sister, he acknowledges her as the one with the talent. It was, however, unfortunate for her to have been born a woman in such patriarchal times. And, I spoke to Tori once about Mozart's sister and she too acknowledges that she was probably the better piano player diminished and hidden under her dresses. Cheers, Ruth You are a piano laughing, with all the notes your soul- Pablo Neruda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:52:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: allsorts Just a few comments:- 1)I always figured, it's time to tell the world, we both know it was a girl...in bethlehem, was a jesus reference. From what religious education i've had forced down my throat i always associated bethlehem with jesus-could it not just be a claim the the son of god was actually a daughter. I always saw it as a comment on the patriachal domination of the church. 2)Tori and Marilyn Manson? Hmmm.... is that in the same sort of vein as a spice girls-with-the cure effort. The sooner people like MM get screwed and leave room for people with something worthwhile to say in the music business, the better. I know i'm supposed to stick 2 tori, so i'll shut up now. - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Traumachik@aol.com Subject: Tori and Marilyn Manson? Nope. I would *hate* to see Marilyn Manson and Tori sing a duet. For all her hatred of the church, Tori still has some reverence for the church and what it's capable of doing - I don't see her calling Christians "fascists" like Mr Manson, who seems to exist only for shock value. (Before either of our listowners jump down my throat for breaking so many list rules, I must request any EWF who want to respond to this to do so off-list.) If, however, Tori wanted to sing a duet with Jello Biafra (who has been argued to be as controversial in the 80s as Manson is in the 90s), I would hardly complain. :) - --Chelsea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:38:58 EST From: FlutterVxn Subject: ~Cornflakes~ okay i dont know and cant remember if this ever came up in precious convo lately or before *but* does anyone know why the so called CD5 maxi single US edition of cornflake girl has only 4 songs...cuz cd5's are supposed to have 5 or so i thought. thanks and watermelons.... Kedren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:36:07 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: RAINN Benefit Concert Video Well guys, I called all around Knoxville, TN, looking for that video -- to see if it's really going to hit stores on Tuesday. The best glimmer of hope I got was from Cat's Music who said that if it ever is released, they would definitely have it-- they wouldn't pass it up. (The girl had good taste!) But sorry to say it's not on their list of things they'll be receiving on Tuesday, Jan. 27. (BTW, all new releases hit the stores on Tuesdays) BUT they could receive it on Wednesday because they sometimes get stuff that wasn't on the release list on Wednesday. If not then, check the following Tuesday (which would be Feb. 3). I also called Sam Goody's, The Disc Exchange, and Blockbuster Music who all said that the video did not show up on their "new releases" list of things they can order. Pooh!!!!! - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:02:22 -0500 From: Len Demby Subject: Tori and Korn Tori Amos and Korn doing a song together, what do y'all think? Len ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:06:48 -0800 From: rain Subject: no...more covers? aahhh! i read an article once on the band Type O Negative and they were talking about covring "hey jupiter" which i thought would be really interesting, and it got me thinking that they would make a good duet...and i agree- i know i shouldnt be bringing this up, but maralyn manson is shit, a duet with them and tori would be a disaster. i think tori would agree. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:41:49 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Muhammad my friend On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Anki wrote: > "Muhammad my friend > it's time to tell the world > we both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem..." > > I don't know if it's my wild imagination or... > But does anyone else think that Tori indicates that Mary (the mother of Christ) slept with or was raped by Muhammad? And that "it's time to tell the world" means that the whole Christianity is based on a lie. Only beacause it was too dangerous for Mary in that time being pregnant without being married. So she had to lie to save her skin? What do you all think? > > I hope that this mail doesn't offend anyone. *head bopping to "Siren" as she types* Well the next lines "And on that fateful day when SHE was crucified.." etc. indicate she's referring to the myth of Christ being a female. My dad (a prof. of music and concert pianist), who I introduced to Tori over Christmas, asked me what this song was about and I really think this is another of Tori's attempt to tap into the female voice so absent in Christian religion.. the goddess on the other side of the God. "And Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire, until you've seen Pele blow".. I think she's talking about the patriarchical system, again here. The fire line, as I've heard mentioned before refers to Moses (Biblical scholars correct me here if I'm wrong!) seeing the burning bush or somesuch, but I think it's a pun also referring to the inner fire Tori speaks of so often, insinuating that his presence and force of will is nothing to the female half of spirituality, which she characterizes as Pele. "Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to as a song aboput abortion, which I tend to agree with, but the Mary M and Anne Bolyn references I think have to do with the way men force women into compromising situations, all mixed in with the bearing of children. Anne, who couldn't bear Henry the right kind of male heir, was persecuted.. Mary Magdalyn, who had a bad reputation, was never (as far as the Bible goes) allowed the kind of access to him she probably wanted (as a lover). When she sings "Mary M weaving on said what you want is in the blood Senators" I think this line is kind of an aged, wise woman referring to how to deal with men. Instead of getting rid of the symptom (the child) get rid of the man (Jesus in this case). Thinking about it that wasy, I love this line... it gives women who love men that are unobtainable a sort of freedom, as does the "Boys for Pele" title. Anyway just some ramblings. :) I think when Tori brings up these references she's trying to talk about things that are all wrapped up in the issues she's addressing, though maybe not directly. Kahlan "...I wanna smash the faces of all the beautiful boys. Those Christian boys... so you can make me come. Does that make you je-ee-sus?" --- "Precious Things" :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:01:35 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: allsorts In a message dated 98-01-23 08:33:02 EST, bos197@soton.ac.uk writes: << 2)Tori and Marilyn Manson? Hmmm.... is that in the same sort of vein as a spice girls-with-the cure effort. The sooner people like MM get screwed and leave room for people with something worthwhile to say in the music business, the better. I know i'm supposed to stick 2 tori, so i'll shut up now.>> marilyn manson have some unscrewably good things to say that are worthy of being heard. doesn't someone have a great quote by mm on this list as their sig? oh, yes...i feel really in-the-dark because i HAVEN'T HEARD Y KANT TORI READ. if someone's willing, could they send me a taped copy? i'll pay for the tape and handling or whatever... eileen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Traumachik@aol.com Subject: Tori songs about abortion? >"Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to >as a song aboput abortion Funny...it was my belief that parts of "Father Lucifer" were about abortion? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:07:08 EST From: "Saige the Faerie Princess" Subject: Re: Tori songs about abortion? >"Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to >as a song >aboput abortion >Funny...it was my belief that parts of "Father Lucifer" were about abortion? > Silent All These Yeasr is (i have a theory) about abortion. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:49:22 -0800 From: rain Subject: saty "boy you best pray that i bleed real soon" "my scream got lost in a paper cup" "i got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think its enough" id have to agree...there are alot of abortion or atleast pregnancy related bits in this song. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~rain~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * moon....big white moon....white as milk moon....youre all i can see from my window, here in the dark. your light falls silver and white across the walls of my cell. the night-tide surges strong in me. so strong i can feel the grip of their drugs loosen. they fancy themselves high priests. their gods have names like Thorazine and Lithium and Shock Therapy. but their gods are new and weak and cannot hope to contain me much longer. for i am the handiwork of far more powerful, far more ancient dieties. very soon my blood will learn the secret of the inhibiting factors the white-coated shamans pump into my veins. and then things will be very different, my beautiful moon..... my big moon........white as milk moon......red as blood moon..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:46:39 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: many subjects, all thought provoking i think ok...first of all...i've been paying more and more attention to lyrics lately and putting things together, and i've been wondering. do you think that in some of her songs (Professional Widow, Talula) she expresses sort of a distrust or something for government? she seems to mention it a lot. "Strike a deal make him feel like a congressman" and "what you want is in the blood senetors". i was just wondering. and this other thing...i have this theory about silent all these years and i wanted to know if i was the only one who thought about this (of course i'm most likely not and you will all be like, duh). ok when tori sings "what's so amazing about really deep thoughts, boy you best pray that i bleed real soon" ok does she mean that they are worried she's pregnant by this guy that's leaving her? yes i know what you're thinking. my mental capacity isn't up to par right now, because i'm tired and stressed out:) love you all my fellow EWF. have a good night. or a good day depending on when you read this:) ****************************************************************************** ******************VICTORIA MARIE CURRIER ****************************************************************************** ****************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:04:59 EST From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Re: Tori songs about abortion? In a message dated 98-01-23 21:33:49 EST, Traumachik@aol.com writes: << >"Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to >as a song aboput abortion Funny...it was my belief that parts of "Father Lucifer" were about abortion? >> why do you think that? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:09:29 EST From: Lil3rthqks Subject: Take to the Sky/lyrics i was wondering if anyone could tell me exactly what the chorus is singing at the end of "Take To The Sky" (between 3:58 and 4:12 on my CD player). Tori repeats "take to the sky" several times, and you can hear the background vocals between each time she sings. sorry if this didn't make any sense; i was just wondering if anyone knew. :-D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:42:43 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: saty On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, rain wrote: > "boy you best pray that i bleed real soon" "my scream got lost in a > paper cup" "i got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think its enough" > id have to agree...there are alot of abortion or atleast pregnancy > related bits in this song. "Boy you best.." I always attributed that to her little revenge for her bf running off (in the song) with another girl. As for the 25 bucks part, the line before that is "You think there's a heaven where some screams have gone".. basically I think she's saying here is she wants a sanctuary (some hope of salvation) after her inner fire being quelled for so long.. the 25 bucks and a cracker part seems like it's tongue and cheek.. the money being church donations, the cracker being the eucharist.. notice she uses the words "us", I assume refering to the male she addresses throughout most of the song, but perhaps an unborn child.. hmm. I really get the feeling this song is about incest.. before I read Tori articles about Cornflake vs. Raisin girls I thought Cornflake girl was about incest: "Things are getting kinda gross.. And I go at sleepy time This is not real, this is not really happening. You bet your life it is.. Peel out the watchword.. She knows what's going on Seems we got a cheaper feel now..." (and then she starts to lose me.. heh) It seems like this section of this song is about betrayal, in a bedroom setting, form someone in the house at the time. And since she says "Never was a Cornflake Girl" I get the impression she's tlaking about that past (maybe in persona, but still, that struck me the most about this song) Anyway:) Kahlan "And the man with the Golden Gun thinks he knows so much thinks he knows so much, yes!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:31:22 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Tori songs about abortion? On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Saige the Faerie Princess wrote: > >"Talula" also has similar problems.. I've heard it referred to >as a > song > >aboput abortion > >Funny...it was my belief that parts of "Father Lucifer" were about > abortion? > > > > Silent All These Yeasr is (i have a theory) about abortion. > I always thought Silent all These Years was about incest.. that was before I knew anything about Tori. I havenm't thought too much about Father Lucifer though... If you think about Talula in that context though it actually makes a lot of sense (although I couldn't for the life of me figure out what she was talking about before -- I thought it was about the loss of a girlfriend of hers or something...) Tell us about your theory! Kahlan "Talula Talula you don't want to lose it, it must be worth losing if it is worth something..." -- you know who :) ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #30 ************************************