From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #20 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, January 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- favorite "Moment" ["Hector Hernandez" ] Video Compilation from "The Weathermen" [hope414@houston.email.net] Tori moment [Beth Winegarner ] Australia Great Expectations release date ["Planet Tori" ] Re: Marianne [The Bursar ] Re: Michelle Kwan question [Ken Tough ] Re: Marianne [MaidenShru ] Re: Covering Tori songs [MaidenShru ] Least Favorite Tori Song & Covers [Chris Semon ] Night of the Swallow ["Doron Vidavski" ] Marianne [Laura ] Covers [Jessie L Ksanznak ] New Member... [Tripp Gwyn ] Tori Amos Screensaver ["Gina Senior" ] Tori Amos Screensaver ["Gina Senior" ] Re: Marianne ["Kelly M. Smith" ] Brass In Pocket/Sound Checks [Jennifer Cypres ] Re: hallucinogens [Stephanie Handley ] Re: Sound Checks [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori Fans in VA [Will ] Re: Michelle Kwan question [Stephanie Handley ] sword & stone [TREW876 ] Re: Marianne [JEDAS1 ] critics [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Covering Tori songs [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] rabbit in the moon and tori [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Night of the Swallow [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Least Favorite Tori Song & Covers [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie ] Re: Covering Tori songs [geministar@webtv.net] Re: sword & stone [girl goddess #9 ] Re: disjointed lyrics [Stephanie Handley ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [Tori805 ] Marianne ["Hanna Paulus" ] tori moments [Cindergirl ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [violet@slip.net] Re: Video Compilation [HEIDI C4U ] Re: Covering Tori songs [MaidenShru ] Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. [clockwork_lemon@jun] Tori Amos Screensaver [ksrks03@tamuk.edu (Senior Regina Kay)] Re: Marianne [darkfire@netcom.ca] Tori Covers [The Shadow Side ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:18:18 +0500 From: "Hector Hernandez" Subject: favorite "Moment" Well, I don't know if this is one of my favorite moment but I just noticed this recently and was wondering if anyone else had heard it. On Little Amsterdam at about 3:42/3:43 into the song right after she sings "girl you got to know these days" I think you can hear her swallow. It's pretty cool. Oh, I also wanted to ask if there's anyone from Texas out there. I know there are but I'm still asking. I'm from South Texas so I'm pretty sure no one lives near me. Okay, that's all. Thanks for listening. Alma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:12:38 CST From: hope414@houston.email.net Subject: Video Compilation from "The Weathermen" >I hate to say this because I am friends with the owner of Wethermen >records but NOONE buy his Tori compilation video! I bought this video from them a couple of months ago, and I've been very pleased with it... hmmmm. >awful quality, no audio for 1/2, not everything he says is on >there anyways! Im just giving a warning so fellow ewf dont get ripped off! I'm sorry you got such a poor copy. Mine is very sharp, with good sound, every video she ever made is on it, plus a few suprises I didn't expect, which was great! Perhaps you should talk to your... err... friend about the quality of his copies. Maybe he mailed off all his master copies and had to copy from some that were 2nd or 3rd "generation" copies. If you copy a copy of a copy and so on... you get really fuzzy, low-quality results. He needs to be made aware of this. Hope ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:30:56 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Tori moment I don't know if it's my absolutely favorite Tori moment, but one of the things I really like is how she takes her pauses. I especially like the one in CaLS when she switches from the harpsichord to the piano, right before the "right on time..." bit. She pauses, and you can almost hear her breathing. You can hear the hammers come to rest on the harpsichord strings. And then that beautiful piano bit comes in... Beth - -- "Look, a six-year-old girl last year fought off a kidnapper by imitating one of my kicks. That's what we're talking about when we talk about Girl Power." (Melanie Chisholm, aka Sporty Spice) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:17:48 +0000 From: "Planet Tori" Subject: Australia Great Expectations release date Gday all EWF Ok so Rebecca at Warner Music Sydney told us that both versions of the Great Expectations Soundtracks are to be released *locally* on March 3rd - Australia wide. Its true that we had advanced copies one day before American Release.. Guess you could call us Toriphiles :) RDT Maria and Terry PLANET TORI (On Holidays) http://www.geocities.com/~planettori - --------------------------------------------- She's a Beauty Queen, my sweet bean bag in the street Tori Amos... - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:41:40 EST From: Anavrin560 Subject: something i want Tori to cover I just had a thought of what would be the coolest song for Tori to cover, only I don't know if anyone will know it, it's a song by Jefferson Airplane called "Lather" It's an excellent but sad song about growing up and not wanting to grow up. carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:35:59 +0000 (GMT) From: The Bursar Subject: Re: Marianne On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Sam Free wrote: >I always thought that the lines "tuna, rubber, a little blubber in my >igloo" made perfect sense in a kind of metaphorically sexually explicit >way.. Personally, I came to the conclusion that she was basically just taking the piss and made that first line garbage to play up to those who think she writes incomprehensible lyrics anyway. Oh well Paul - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- | "Uh, aha, uh, let's go to Rixy's! http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | Elysium! Rowing! Rugby! Facking hell! http://toristuff.home.ml.org | Rowing! Elysium!" - A Durham Bloke speaks - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Unemployment is not a disease but the natural, healthy functioning of an advanced technological society." - Robert Anton Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:17:10 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: Michelle Kwan question Stephanie Handley wrote: >When she skated to Winter, it was for an exhibition that the skaters do >on the last night of the competitions. (These competitions take place >over several days) The amatuer rules state that you may not skate in >competition to music with lyrics. Check your tv guide, sometimes they >say whether it's the exhibition or not. You *might* get lucky during >the Campbells Soup Tour of Champions after the Olympics, which is a tour >and comes to DC (I've gone several times) and maybe she'll skate to it >then. As I recall, there is usually a form of exhibition at the olympics, after the medals have been won. (Where they typically tend to do "crowd-pleasing but not technically significant" things like back-flips). I recall watching these with earnest back in the Katerina Witt days. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but could she not skate to Winter during that evening? - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:30:04 EST From: MaidenShru Subject: Re: Marianne i can understand it.....but then again i cant....i see what shes saying but its not something you can word. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:41:38 EST From: MaidenShru Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs This reminds me....a while back someone said something about soul coughing using tori on two of their songs....City of motors and ugh i dont know its too early....but anyway 2 songs and i've had this cd for awhile and always thought i heard tori's music type thing in it but now that i actually listen for it....i cant hear it. can someone tell me which tori songs these are supposed to be so that i can attempt to hear or fool myself into catching it. thanks and dustt....Kedren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:13:13 -0800 From: Chris Semon Subject: Least Favorite Tori Song & Covers My least favorite Tori song would probably be her cover of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow." No offense to those of you who enjoy this since I know it's fairly popular. :) I just don't care for her phrasing- she seems to sing this one with more of an instrumentalist's style of phrasing and pausing -almost like she's trying to sing a piano version - rather then a singer's, and I don't think it's as successful as it could be. Nothing against instrumentalists, though, considering I'm a band director! :) I also don't like her live version of Professional Widow simply because the upbeat version on BfP is so much more fun. For covers- how about Paula Cole doing Happy Phantom? Or Peter Gabriel doing Silent All These Years? Or Sting doing Crucify? And No Doubt doing Professional Widow might be a kick.... :) Chris Semon wombats@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:35:31 BST From: "Doron Vidavski" Subject: Night of the Swallow Hey ho. In relation to both the 'covers' discussion and the Kate/Tori one, I think it would be truly magical for T to cover Kate's 1982 "Night of the Swallow", originally taken from the exquisite "The Dreaming". Its Irish arrangements might take on a different surprising tone being performed only by Tori's Bossendorfer. Which reminds me - I'm still looking for Tori's cover of Kate's "Running up that Hill". Does ANYONE have it? Toodles, Doz. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:28 -0300 From: Laura Subject: Marianne Hola! About Marianne .. I never thought that the lyrics were sexual at all ... "Tuna rubber little blubber in my Igloo" This reminds me of a kids song, like kids riming words more for their musical sound than for their precise meaning... but then, they do carry a meaning for me too, and what I feel (not understand) about them is coldness, emptiness for a feeling of loss... The igloo being her heart...that's where I start from... As Sam said : "Did anyone else think this or have I lost it completely??" :-) besos laura __________________________________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/index.html __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:20:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Covers I would love to hear Tori do a number of covers: Another Brick in the Wall (Pink Floyd) I Alone (Live) All You Need is Love (Beatles) Sympathy for the Devil (Rolling Stones) Dust in the Wind (Kansas) Blowin in the wind (Bob Dylan) Turn, Turn, Turn (The Byrds) Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:17:36 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: New Member... Greetings fellow EWF! I've been a little frightened to join a mailing list, but I mustered the courage finnally. My name is Tripp Gwyn I'm 15, Male, a sophomore. I live in Pilot Mountain, NC If you've ever watched Andy Griffith they call it Mount Pilot. Please don't hold that against me :-) The only comment I've ever disagreed with Tori on is her opinion that being in NC is like being on Opium. That's only true if you live in Raleigh or Wilmington, or Charlotte. I first became a fan after hearing endless comments about her music. I saw a repeat of the SNL performance on Thanksgiving Weekend of '96 and later convinced a friend I wanted Pele for Christmas. After he gave it to me I couldn't stop listening......I then bought Pink and finnally LE. The music is very special for me because I have issues from my childhood that I'm not exactly comfortable talking about. The music led me to open my eyes and end my cycle of self destruction. My fave song, which Mikewhy can confirm, is Cooling. Thanks to Mike I finnaly obtained a copy of it! About covers.... I'd like to hear Tori cover Sinead O Connor's Troy, Ode to My Family by The Cranberries, or ANYTHING by Bjork. I might even like to hear Tori perform something by Enya..... Of course I think her cover of Love Song is better than the anyything else... I'd like to hear Bjork cover Happy Phantom or Mr. Zebra. I'd like to hear Enya cover Cloud on My Tongue or Yes Anastasia. My favorite parts in Tori songs are in L.E. the GIVE ME LIFE..etc part. From Pink, I love when the strings really start going in Cloud on My Tongue and Yes Anastasia. It's like light purging through the darkest realm. My favorites parts on Pele are, begining with the part in Father Lucifer where Tori does the multi-vocals "Everday's my wedding day....", and the part in Little Amsterdam where she says "Got a room in the city hey.." But I have all-time favorites from live concerts. Both are from the Miami "sick" show. On Losing My Religion she really wails and seems to be letting all of her pain out in those gut wrenching screams. I also love the new lyrics to Cornflake Girl, but at this show she made them even better saying something along the lines of "OH MY DARLING YOU GIVE ME NOTHING YOU GIVE ME NOTHING!" Was she mad at somone on the front row or something? You could here this guy screaming "you on the front row!" Was someone trying to give her something in the middle of the song and she was angry? Fun talking to you guys! Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:41:35 PST From: "Gina Senior" Subject: Tori Amos Screensaver Hi, I want to clear up the confusion about the Tori Screensaver. I made the screensaver, and it can be found on my Tori page called "Tori Dust" at http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina/toridust.html I'm a little upset that everyone thinks it's on Tea With The Waitress. My Tori page is fairly new, and the screensaver is kinda like my feature. And my apologies to all of you who don't have Windows 95--this is the best I could do. Thanks for your time, Gina ginawina@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina/toridust.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:27:09 PST From: "Gina Senior" Subject: Tori Amos Screensaver Hi, I just wanted to clear up any confusion about the Tori Amos screensaver. I made the screensaver, and it is only for Windows 95. It's the best that I could do--Windows 95 is all I have, and the program which I was lucky to come across only works for Windows 95. So, my apologies to all of you who don't have it. Like I said, it's the best I can do. You can find the screensaver on my Tori page called "Tori Dust" at http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina/toridust.html Ashley, who runs "Tea With The Waitress" is a friend of mine from #Tori on IRC and he linked to the screensaver on my page, so if you d/l it from his page, a visit to mine would be appreciated. (: Anyway, again--for those of you with Win 95, I hope you like the screensaver, and those of you without, I'm sorry. Love, Gina ginawina@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:48:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Kelly M. Smith" Subject: Re: Marianne About the part of the line "little blubber in my igloo" --I always took this to mean that "blubber" as something that warms the "igloo" - --something cold. Like maybe Tori was asking for a little warmth in a cold place in her life... I never even thought that it was something sexual. :) Have a lovely day all Kelly :) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Laura wrote: > About Marianne .. I never thought that the lyrics were sexual at all ... > "Tuna rubber little blubber in my Igloo" This reminds me of a kids song, > like kids riming words more for their musical sound than for their precise > meaning... but then, they do carry a meaning for me too, and what I feel > (not understand) about them is coldness, emptiness for a feeling of loss... > The igloo being her heart...that's where I start from... As Sam said : "Did > anyone else think this or have I lost it completely??" :-) "Black holes are where God divided by zero." :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:31:48 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: Brass In Pocket/Sound Checks Ruth wrote: >>>I would love to hear her to cover Brass in Pocket by the Pretenders. I asked her once in a sound check (in 1992), her eyes turned wide and she grinned but said she wasn't feeling devious that day and to ask her again later.>>> I would absolutely love Tori to sing that song. And she sounds like she would if asked again. Here's my question, though: when all of you groovy people go to these sound checks, how do you know about them? Do you just hang out at the venue all day? And hopefully you'll see her? Seems to me like if her bus pulled up and some fans were standing there, the bus driver might try another entrance. I don't know. I would love to see her earlier in the day before a show, but I haven't had the nerve to even think about it really. - -Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:46:41 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: Hallucinogens Not to be mean, and I know there's no way I can say this without being mean, but *quit your preaching* This isn't an area for people to go on a crusade against drugs. Let people decide for themselves--try using "IMHO" or "I think" (I know I could take my own advice in this post, but I'm kinda pissed to see your anti-drug messages over and over again). OPEN YOUR MIND, and let others keep theirs open! And, I'm not, nor have I ever been, a regular drug user, but I'll I'll try anything once, and keep an open mind (both about those who do drugs and my own experimentation) because how else am I going to know--oh wait, I know, I should put blind faith in people like you. I just despise people pushing their beliefs down my throat. steph (age check: 28) JEDAS1 wrote: > In a message dated 1/13/98 1:13:35 PM, hannah@conwaycorp.net wrote: > > < my > perception of the world, permanently, but would that honestly be > called > hallucinating? (we could get into some philosophical debate about > perceptions of the world, but that isn't much tori-related on its own, > eh?) > >> > > With the amount of messed up druggies in this world, there's like no > such > thing as "pure" marajuana....a lot of times it's laced with acid or > PCP. To > me, drugs are terrible, b/c I've seen what they can do to people. I > think > most people who use drugs are too immature to deal with the reality of > life. > Life isn't always rainbows...we have to take the occasional storms > too. > > julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:10:24 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: hallucinogens Laryza said: > Anyway, my whole point was that you can't just make that sort of > assumption about a person's instability with life, its reality, and > their inability to handle it just because they do something that > society > doesn't approve of. *applause* > I mean ... when someone sees a person drinking > alcohol at a party the conclusion of that persons actions is accepted. > > Most people see it as someone drinking to have fun or socialize, not > someone who is not stable and has some real personal issues. Unfortunately, I fear that in the society in which we are raising our children today, drinking, too, will become taboo (look at the new laws in CA, where smoking in *bars* is banned! Smoking is now taboo) It scares me, and angers me, to read such blind faith from the young on this list in society's mores, which are being fed to us by the American government. One thing very few are aware of is that the American government's "War on Drugs" has caused horrendous pain and suffering for the ill and dying. Do you realize that doctors refuse sufficient amounts of pain medication to terminally ill patients because "he may get addicted?"!!!!!!!! What the fuck, he's gonna kick off anyway. Who the hell cares if he's addicted? Yes, kids, this is your future. You will be dying of AIDS or cancer and in horrible pain, and even though the technology is there to make your last hours bearable, you're going to wish you'd hurry up and die because you can't stand the pain. Go ahead, next time you go to your doctor, ask if the "War on Drugs" has affected prescription practices for those in chronic pain or terminally ill. Well, never mind, he's probably been fooled by the propaganda as well. steph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Sound Checks On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jennifer Cypres wrote: [snip] > Here's my question, though: when all of > you groovy people go to these sound checks, how do you know about > them? Do you just hang out at the venue all day? And hopefully > you'll see her? Seems to me like if her bus pulled up and some fans > were standing there, the bus driver might try another entrance. I > don't know. I would love to see her earlier in the day before a > show, but I haven't had the nerve to even think about it really. Well, you don't get to go to the soundcheck, you just get a few minutes of her time before she heads into the venue to do the soundcheck. On the DDI tour, if you showed up at the venue 3-4 hours before the show and waited, you'd get lucky. When I've done it, there have been less than 10 fans there. There were a few times when there were more {including one memorable occasion where a radio station announced on the air to do this, so she got -swamped- by folks}, but not often. There's really no point in her bus driver trying a different entrance. {There are only so many entrances to a venue, you know! And it's obvious that it's her tour bus -- no other bus is going to drive up to the venue.} In fact, the whole thing is pretty well orchastrated. You don't just get to run up to her as she gets off the bus alone. Her people set up a fence, and the ground rules are laid out: don't push, one autograph per person, that sort of thing; if the rules are broken, away she goes. When she arrives, her bodyguard and other folks are standing right there to make sure everything's okay. You get a few minutes of her time to chat {or, if you're like me, stutter stupidly "ohmygod, you're Tori Amos!" ;) } and then she moves on to the next person. It's a -lot- better than trying to do the same thing after the show. After the show, there are literally hundreds of people waiting. You may get to say two words, but nothing beyond that. She can't spend the whole night outside greeting all the people out there. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:09:16 -0500 From: Will Subject: Re: Tori Fans in VA Len Alan Denby wrote: > > Any Tori Amos Fans from VA? Chesterfield :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:09:17 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: Michelle Kwan question Ken Tough wrote: > Stephanie Handley wrote: > > >When she skated to Winter, it was for an exhibition that the skaters > do > >on the last night of the competitions. (These competitions take > place > >over several days) The amatuer rules state that you may not skate in > > >competition to music with lyrics. Check your tv guide, sometimes > they > >say whether it's the exhibition or not. You *might* get lucky during > > >the Campbells Soup Tour of Champions after the Olympics, which is a > tour > >and comes to DC (I've gone several times) and maybe she'll skate to > it > >then. > > As I recall, there is usually a form of exhibition at the > olympics, after the medals have been won. (Where they > typically tend to do "crowd-pleasing but not technically > significant" things like back-flips). I recall watching > these with earnest back in the Katerina Witt days. > > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but could she not > skate to Winter during that evening? > > -- > Ken Tough That was my point, in my wonderful roundabout way! Wouldn't count too hard on it, though, she did that program a year ago. As I said, sometimes they'll go back to an old program, but usually stick with one for the season. Depends on her toe. Maybe the Winter one will be easier on her toe :) It's not just the Olympics where there is the exhibition skating, it's part of all the major competitions (Skate America, Skate Canada, US Championships, Europeans, Worlds......) Again, if you're interested in seeing this stuff live, the tour should be coming to a place near you--unless you're outside the 'states (and I envy you sometimes for that! I'd rather be in Cornwall) And you are exactly correct regarding the "crowd pleasing..." and back-flips are not allow in amateur comp. either. steph PS--Katerina Twitt!!!! ; ) I *loved* Debi Thomas at that time! Worlds are March 29-April 4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:26:15 EST From: TREW876 Subject: sword & stone ok, i don't have the single with me right now, but the saty single by th company i Think is sword and stone (or something like that, correct me if i'm wrong): are they the ripoff company who just copies cd's and adds little stuff to 'em? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:14:32 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Marianne In a message dated 1/14/98 9:32:01 PM, 106247.2224@compuserve.com wrote: <> Sam I have always thought the same thing. You did not lose it completely!! :) julie ps - anyone know what it all means?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:20:06 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: critics Eileen and I have found common ground :) I hate critics too. They always seem to want to compare an artist with another artist, as if no one has any original ideas anymore. It really pissed me off to see Fiona Apple compared to Alanis Morrissette. Fiona has actual talent, for one thing.....Alanis is little more than Glen Ballard's puppet (no relation to me.) I still see no relation between Kate Bush and Tori, but every critique I have read of Tori's work compares her to Kate. Can't critics accept the fact that there is still original music being produced? Though I will admit that original music is few and far between these days. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:21:45 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:16:15 EST Lil3rthqks writes: >maybe Garth >Brooks' "The thunder rolls", This is the only country song that I like, and it would be a good song for Tori to cover, since it deals with domestic abuse, which is for the most part a women's issue. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:56:35 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: rabbit in the moon and tori Brian Transeau has worked with Rabbit in the Moon as well as Tori, so Tori may very well be featured in RitM's songs. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:15:18 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Night of the Swallow You can find Running Up That Hill on Kate's compilation album "The Whole Story". That's the only Kate song that I like :) Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:06:42 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Least Favorite Tori Song & Covers On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:13:13 -0800 Chris Semon writes: *snip* And No Doubt >doing Professional Widow might be a kick.... :) I would be very upset to see No Doubt do a Tori song since they are the most talentless band to grace us with their presence in quite a while. Gwen couldn't sing if the last bottle of bleach in the world depended on it, and I think it would be a travesty for her to cover a Tori song with that dying cat yowl she has. I realize there are ND fans on the list, but this is just MHO. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:49:14 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs Sounds interesting . . . I could see Cyndi doing "Upside Down" too . . . ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:17:01 -0600 From: girl goddess #9 Subject: Re: sword & stone At 04:26 PM 1/15/98 EST, you wrote: >ok, i don't have the single with me right now, but the saty single by th >company i Think is sword and stone (or something like that, correct me if i'm >wrong): are they the ripoff company who just copies cd's and adds little stuff >to 'em? > sword and stone are her lyrics copyright type peoples . . http://www.overlap.org . out of the ash i rise with my red hair and i eat men like air.. . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:57:11 -0500 From: Stephanie Handley Subject: Re: disjointed lyrics Good! Then I'm *not* crazy when I think about my cat when I listen to Etienne!!!!! And yes, I couldn't agree more about taking it as a whole, instead of breaking lyric from note, although I also enjoy listening to music that way too. Sometimes it's just the emotion certain words strung together create, or even the sound of the words as an instrument unto themselves. steph (who'd better shut up for today! But I'm finally catching up on the mail!) Jennifer Cypres wrote: > Jessie wrote: > > >>>>I definately think she got a little weird and outof joint at > times in BfP. i still love and respect her, but sometimes here lyrics > in BfP (not all just some) don't make sense, no matter how hard oyu > try to understand them.>>>> > > I read something Tori said in an interview once--I think it was on > MikeWhy's site. She said she really doesn't encourage people trying > to interpret every little lyric and finding out the meaning. She > said that if somebody has a cat named Muhammad, that song can be > about your cat. It's what you get out of it, of course. She writes > them in a dream-like state, and they are meant to be heard as one > piece (the music and lyrics together) to evoke an emotion, not > necessarily a message with a meaning behind it. Sometimes, like in > "tuna, rubber, little blubber..." maybe it just sounded good to her, > although it doesn't make much sense. Personally, that's the way I > listen to her music. I don't overanalyze it. I just kind of revel > in the rolling emotional tidal waves of her voice and music. > > -Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:11:49 EST From: Tori805 Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. actually, I read in an interview that she will be friends with non-believers, she just won't drink chardonnay with them. in other words, those near and dear to her have to believe. But then the question is still raised. What is her definition of faeries? it's not just legenday little people with pointed ears... - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:11 +0000 From: Jon & Janet Haverman Subject: there's no way out of here cindergirl asks about Kate Bush release: >. I noticed on a few of the tracks that on guitar it >credited Dave Gilmour. Is this the same David Gilmour from the band Pink Floyd >(which I love so much)? yes, Kate was 16 years old when David Gilmour approached EMI about her. He then took her under his wing for a few years, and assisted in the making of her first release THE KICK INSIDE. They have been close ever since, and it is rumoured that he has contributed to three new tracks, although "Love-Hounds" people have not been able to confirm this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:26:48 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Marianne I agree with you all that Marianne is kind of like sexual in ways, besides Tuna Rubber a little blubber in my igloo, there is also the line: "I see Timmy and that purple monkey..." in reference to masturbating. ~Hanna~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:51:26 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: tori moments i love the part in leather when she says "oh god, why am i here" i also love the intro to icicle. the piano is beautiful now i can't remember who asked, but responding anyway: i am from south texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:12:21 -0800 From: violet@slip.net Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. Jessie wrote: >I'm sure the quote has to be slightly out of context. I can't >imagine >that Tori thinks eveyone who doesn't believe in faeries isn't >worth >talking to. In that particular quote, "faeries" is a metaphor. Tori is saying that people who don't have the ability to believe in things they cannot necessarily see or touch are not worth trying to communicate with. It's a reference to imagination and magic and hope and wonder. In other words, "no fuddy-duddies allowed." >I mean she tyalks to her dad and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't. He very well may. One of the most widely believed origins of fairies is that they are fallen angels. That when God cast Satan and his followers from heaven, He also cast a third of the heavenly host to the earth (since they were not good enough to remain in heaven, yet not bad enough to be sent on to hell, so a compromise was granted). From that time, they have lived on the earthly plane, free from all responsibilities (unless captured by a mortal and held in the mortal realm), which makes them fickle as all hell and downright dangerous when pissed off. Fanciful, romantic thinking aside, they are not a terribly sweet-natured group. Anyway, that is why many people who believe in God also believe devoutly in the Little People, ministers included. Violet xoxox * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I cannot be bought...but I can be rented. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:33:05 EST From: HEIDI C4U Subject: Re: Video Compilation Yeah,I bought a couple of videos from them and the quality is awful. Toodles, Heidi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:17:18 EST From: MaidenShru Subject: Re: Covering Tori songs hee....about the no doubt thing...im *not* a fan of them but there are far worse people that could cover tori.....i would say my first pick would be GWAR doing here. in my head. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:09:37 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: anyone who doesn't believe in faeries, etc. etc. On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:11:49 EST Tori805 writes: >What is >her definition of faeries? it's not just legenday little people with >pointed >ears... Exactly. That's a bit of an outdated notion, isn't it? I think that Tori would be hard pressed to find true believers in faeries, so I am sure that some of her close friends must not believe in them. I myself am not going to alter my perceptions of the spiritual world to please a woman I will most likely never meet. (I know *so* many people, notably the AOL Tori room frequenters, who would say that I am a *poser* Tori fan for this little bit of sacrilege that I just spouted). Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:53:13 -0600 (CST) From: ksrks03@tamuk.edu (Senior Regina Kay) Subject: Tori Amos Screensaver Hi, I'm really frustrated right now with Hotmail, and I'm not sure if the other *two* messages I sent about this got to the mailing list, if they did, my apologies for a *third*. What I was saying was that I made that Tori screensaver, and I'm a little upset that I don't seem to be getting credit for it. It can be found on my Tori page called "Tori Dust" at http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina/toridust.html Ashley, who runs Tea With The Waitress, is a friend of mine from #Tori on IRC, and he only linked to it from his page. I feel kinda cheated something--that screensaver was kinda like the feature of my page. And to all those who aren't using Windows 95--my apologies that the screensaver doesn't work. This was all that I could do. Thanks again, and please stop by my page... Gina ginawina@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/~ginawina/toridust.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:38:28 -0600 From: darkfire@netcom.ca Subject: Re: Marianne > I agree with you all that Marianne is kind of like sexual in ways, > besides Tuna Rubber a little blubber in my igloo, there is also the > line: "I see Timmy and that purple monkey..." in reference to > masturbating. > > ~Hanna~ Wasn't the "purple monkey" part in reference to an imaginary friend Tori had as a child? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:25:58 -0500 From: The Shadow Side Subject: Tori Covers Allo all, I'm a little behind . . . but I'll get my word in edge wise . . . About someone covering Tori's songs, I'd like Mansun to do CALS . . . Note that this is NOT Marilyn Manson but just MANS_U_N . . . sorry, people have gotten them confused and Manson I do not like. But, I love Mansun! :) And if Tori were to cover a song by someone else, I'd want here to do Depeche Mode's "Somebody" I think her version of moaning at the end would be very pleasing. :) I guess that's all.=20 Amy =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7 "Thought she "...this is "he's got=20 deserved no sex without high heels on..." less than touching..." -- Mansun =20 she'd give..." -- Bj=F6rk =20 -- Tori Amos =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7 "when you gonna make up your mind, when you gonna love you as much as I do when you gonna make up your mind cause things are gonna change so fast . . ." -- Tori Amos =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7 These are lyrics to some of my favourite artists. If you'd like to=20 find out more about me and my music, you can at my=20 Tori homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/id/anastasia/tori.html or at my Music Page: http://www.angelfire.com/id/anastasia/music.html =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7= =A7 ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #20 ************************************