From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #7 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, January 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Vanilla Released!!!! ["Planet Tori" ] Re: aha! [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] got Great Expectations album [Casey Christian ] another semi-amusing flub up [Cindergirl ] help me!! ["Sarah Somer" ] Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) [geministar@webtv.n] Fairies and Dragons ["Heather the fairy" ] Re: Fairies and Dragons [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] Re: Fairies and Dragons [ChinaDust ] Re: got Great Expectations album [Hannah ] Re: Fairies and Dragons [Torifile ] Re: Fairies and Dragons [Nadyne Mielke ] WLIR-KIVES Unplugged [Ashley Blaize ] GE [Nancy Motherway ] Re: Fairies and Dragons [Jessie L Ksanznak ] Re: Fairies and Dragons [Jessie L Ksanznak ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:57:16 +0000 From: "Planet Tori" Subject: Vanilla Released!!!! Dear all EWF Worldwide.... Yes our server is back online and to celebrate guess what we have been broadcasting to the world for the past 24 hours? Its a Tori Internet EXCLUSIVE before Official release so come and download your Tori Ass now before someone beats you to it and you miss out on icecream ok?... RDT Maria and Terry PLANET TORI http://www.geocities.com/~planettori Please use our email (NOT spacedog addresses) planettori@geocities.com - --------------------------------------------- She's a Beauty Queen, my sweet bean bag in the street Tori Amos... Opening verse Boys For Pele - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:20:48 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: aha! On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:22:11 -0800 rain writes : K: Who's Rabbit in that song? > > This may sound stupid, but I always assumed that Rabbit was a car (there is actually a car called a Rabbit, and the fact that Tori says "where'd you put the keys, girl" only reinforced my theory. Boy, do I feel stupid!!) Natalie I forget how to move when my mouth is this dry and my eyes are bursting hearts in a bloodstained sky - --The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:35:32 -0600 From: Casey Christian Subject: got Great Expectations album Hi all, Well, I went to the record store where I work (God bless employee discounts!!) this morning around 11:00 or so and picked up the Great Expectations album. I planned on buying both the album and the score CD, but we did not recieve any of the scores. I went to several other stores in town and none of them had gotten the score yet either -- just the album. So, I guess I'll have to wait to hear that for a few more days. First off, lemme just say this soudtrack is, overall, very good. There are certain artists on here (Duncan Sheik, Reef, Pulp, etc.) that I do not like and would normally not listen to, but that found myself pleasantly surprised by on this CD. Tori's "Siren" is fantastic. It's really not like any other song she's done, although I suppose "CaLS" would be the closest in sound and pacing. Then, on the intro called "Finn", where she lends her vocalizations, she'll just take your breath away. It's beautiful and haunting. I'd say the other highlights of the album, for me at least, are Poe's "Today", "Her Ornament" by The Verve Pipe, "Walk This Earth Alone" by Lauren Christy and "Breakable", which is performed by Fisher. I've never heard of these last two, but both the songs are damn good. Overall, this album works very well together, making a nice package. I'd recommend it to most anyone. - -Casey - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- casey@tisd.net http://www.tisd.net/~casey/ "If I shed a tear, I won't cage it ... if I feel a rage I won't deny it ... I won't fear love" - -Sarah McLachlan "I have my own parties. They involve being barefoot with a piece of fried chicken and a margarita in each hand." - -Tori Amos - -+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:25:09 EST From: Cindergirl Subject: another semi-amusing flub up i know this subject has been going around a while, but i just thought of this pleasant misconception the other day. in twinkle on BfP, when tori says "I killed a man T" I truly thought she said,"I killed a manatee". well later everyone. bye bye. tory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:57:01 -0500 From: "Sarah Somer" Subject: help me!! Hi guys!! Well, I'm sure everyone who was able to get the Great Expectation soundtrack today was thrilled to hear some new Tori songs. Unfortunately, it's not out here in Canada. I'm guessing this because no stores around here have it or even know when they will. So, if I mailed money for the CD and postage, could someone send me a copy? I would really appreciate that!! Thanks, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:07:55 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) Dave, I really applaud you for what you said about people who like things because Tori does. It's not that these people want to steal her identity, or be her clone, we ust want to open ourselves up to what she likes, because hey - we love her music, which means that we love the parts of her personality that she is giving us in her songs, so why not try out some of her interests as well? I have never read an Alice Walker book or picked up a Neil Gaiman comic book or delved into the music of Joni Mitchel or Robert Plant. I've read enough about how she loves them, but judging on the things I like in life already, I'm not sure if I'd take to their styles like Tori did. If I was trying to be a clone, I would force myself to get into these people, and probably convince myself in the process that I loved them as much as she did. Granted, I have given more thought to the existence of faeries, and my song-writing has definitely taken on a more personal, confessional-like slant. But that's because I find these qualities interesting and appealing in Tori, and would like to incorporate them into my own life. But again, I can always play editor and conform them to who I already am. I think that's what most Toriphiles who try these things out are trying to do. Find a way to incorporate Tori in their lives - her ideals and interests and Really Deep Thought patterns - but also trying to merge them into the unique and individual people they already are. And hey - all of us have done it ~ taken pieces from friends and role models and idols and family members. What's the harm? It's a big ole melting pot out there. Might as well take advantage of the opportunity! "maybe I'm a witch, lost in time . . ." Out here in the bluebells . . . ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 05:08:54 GMT From: "Heather the fairy" Subject: Fairies and Dragons Natalie wrote: >But truly, it amazes >me how many teenage girls believe in faeries just because Tori does. >I >could rant and rave for hours about how people have lost any idea of >individuality (or worse, how people think they are individuals when >they >look and act like everyone else), but I really don't have any >explanation >for this. I suppose they'll grow out of it IMHO, I don't think they really do. Sheep are sheep. People who conform in high school and college will do so as adults. Individuality is talked up but rarely put into practice, I guess cause people are afraid. It is safe to be one of the faces in the crowd, it is a big risk to stand in front of the crowd and state your beliefs like Tori does. Tori was never a sheep, she thought it was so funny that she was homecoming queen cause she was such a nerd, she was so *not* homecoming queen material. I'm the same way, I don't do things cause other people do them. I don't like an artist or a band cause that's what my friends are liking. I don't dress to be like anyone else and I dyed my hair red long before I heard of Tori. So I'm not a sheep either. I don't think *sheep* can truly understand Tori. I've seen alot about fairies since I been on this list and want to say my point of view. I really believe in fairies and know that they can help me when I'm feeling really low. I think if you truly believe you can have fairies around to help you and make you feel good. About the real Faeries, I heard Tori talking in an interview about how the Fae were these pagans in Ireland and they all died off after the Catholics *converted* the Emerald Isle. That they still exist in places that are very powerful. I think it is very cool that Tori believes in fairies and they probably help her alot. FB heatherthefairy ********************************************************** "I'm not stupid--I believe in the faeries." Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:37:50 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 05:08:54 GMT "Heather the fairy" writes: >Natalie wrote: I suppose they'll grow out of it. > >IMHO, I don't think they really do. Sheep are sheep. People who >conform in high school and college will do so as adults. Actually, I am living proof that the whole nonconforming conformer thing is just a phase with some people. I used to be a big "spooky" (wore all black, black lipstick, loved Manson, that sort of thing) til I realized what an idiot I was being, and that I looked like half the people at school. (Plus, I realized at that time what a travesty Manson is as well). So I dropped my fake persona and became myself again. The one thing that makes me different now is that I don't go out of my way to TRY to be different. I personally have no religious beliefs...but I think the idea of God is easier to swallow than the idea of faeries flitting around helping people when they're feeling low (don't flame my ass on this one please.) Natalie I forget how to move when my mouth is this dry and my eyes are bursting hearts in a bloodstained sky - --The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:38:13 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons In a message dated 98-01-06 19:48:28 EST, b928@hotmail.com writes: << IMHO, I don't think they really do. Sheep are sheep. People who conform in high school and college will do so as adults.>> I disagree from my experiences. While that clone spirit will be hard to shake off, it's not hopeless and impossible. Many many who do conform do so because they haven't had much experience and insight. I was a complete, foolish clone who memorized 'Teen magazine's beauty advice and reader polls. Okay, so that was in jr high, and I'm a HS freshman now, but people who compare the me before and the me then can't believe the change. I was a mindless conformist my entire life, and the concept of "individuality" has only hit me about a year ago. NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. To say so is stereotyping and over-simplifying. I mean, didn't Tori say something about her dad being narrow minded...those weren't the exact words, but does anyone remember the article where she said: "He's the hippest 65-year-old I know. But, the thing is, he WASN'T hip..." blah blah, I know, I have trouble making sense. *shrug* <> "Instead, I became very cynical, disguised myself to become popular, to be loved by everyone...At that time, I definitely only had the wish to be an in-chick. Today I know that you should have your own thoughts and that you have to stick to your point of view." -- Tori said this. (if someone things I'm bogusing this, I think it's up on, um, Weirdyboi's web site?) So, Tori's saying that she was kind of a...clone (i know, i've worn that word into the ground already), even SHE wanted to conform. And she even admitted that YKTR was a sell-out to please others. But she's CHANGED. All we've got to hope for is change and progress in ourselves...we can't ever deny or become cynical about that, because then there's really nothing left to do. Just me, Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:14:02 -0500 From: Hannah Subject: Re: got Great Expectations album Lauren Christy is an extremely worthwhile artist. I bought her album based upon the cover photo (my favorite way to buy, the same way I discovered Sarah). Breed is definitely worth checking out. that's the only one of her album's that i know of; if anyone knows more, please share with me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:32:26 EST From: Torifile Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons Right on!!! I used to be like that. Vice versa accualy. I used to dress preppy to TRY to impress people at my school but the SNOBS kinda just turned their heads. Sho i discovered this nice leather jacket of my dads, some old clothes of his, and some boots. I immeadiatly started getting attention. From being called gay, to being called one of the most fashonably creative people in our school. Its weird how it works though dont you think? Well i did GROW out of that. I now where whatever the hell you put in my face, be it a dress, Kaki's, or what have you. Welp, that was cool. Davey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Heather the fairy wrote: [snip] > Sheep are sheep. People who > conform in high school and college will do so as adults. High school and college are times of establishing your identity. As such, you look to those around you as well as those you respect. As you grow up {not physically now, but mentally/spiritually/whatever}, you become your own person. I don't think it's fair to say that those who conform {'cause, after all, we all conform to some things} will never grow out of that phase. Granted, there are those who don't grow up, but on the whole, most people learn to think for themselves. For kids [1], I'd much rather that they choose Tori as a {even temporary} idol to emulate than, say, Kate Moss. Hopefully they will learn to think for themselves, be open-minded, and survive. Even if their worship of Tori is superficial or doesn't last, there's a lot to be learned from her. If they're not ready to synthesize that at this point in their lives, we can hope that they can do so later in their life. /nad [1] I'm using the term here to refer to anyone who hasn't grown up mentally/spiritually/whatever. It's not a reference to age, per se. It's just that I'm a lazy typist right now. *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: WLIR-KIVES Unplugged I work at a music store and I was diggin throught he 'Various' section of compilations. I found one with Tori on it that I'd never heard of. It's called WLIR-KIVES Unplugged. It has a live version of Hey Jupiter that I've never heard of before either. Other tracks on it include: Jewel - Who WIll Save your Soul Dishwalla - Counting Blue Cars Leah Androne - It's Alright, It's okay Joan Osborne - One of Us Dog's Eye View - Everything Falls Apart No Doubt (just the guitar and Gwen, it rocks!) - Excuse Me Mister Tori Amos - Hey Jupiter Duncan Sheik - Barely Breathing Joan Osborne (again) - Pensacola and Squeeze - Pulling Mussels From the Shell It's cool, but has anyone else ever heard of this?? Have I found something new?????????? === From, Ashley Blaize ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea With the Waitress - http://waitress.home.ml.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know of any great Tori news or any insights, please let me know for my page! E-mail me at: nacho@comsource.net or Boy4pele@hotmail.com or Boy4pele@rocketmail.com Thanks so much! Take care, Live Well and have Fun! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:21:00 -0700 From: Nancy Motherway Subject: GE Picked up the Great Expectations soundtrack today. Wow, Siren is beautiful and hypnotic. I was wondering if anyone on this list is from the Austin, Texas area. I just graduated from the University of Arizona, and I might be living there soon. I don't know too many people there, and my two closest friends are Tori friends, so it would be a great base to start on... - -- Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > [snip] > > > Sheep are sheep. People who > > conform in high school and college will do so as adults. > > High school and college are times of establishing your identity. As Definately, I think everyone goes through a periods of conforming, just some never learn to break free. > become your own person. I don't think it's fair to say that those who > conform {'cause, after all, we all conform to some things} will never > grow out of that phase. Granted, there are those who don't grow up, but > on the whole, most people learn to think for themselves. > > For kids [1], I'd much rather that they choose Tori as a {even temporary} > idol to emulate than, say, Kate Moss. Hopefully they will learn to think Amen, we need more good role models like Tori. She teaches girls to be proud of their feminity and not to let men use them. Love, Jessie> Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jessie L Ksanznak Subject: Re: Fairies and Dragons Well, speaking of Tori and impressionable young people. Have you ever wondered why clothes matter so much. You look at the way musicians and movie stars dress and how it transfers to what teens wear. i wish that role models didn't lead the kids to put so much importance in what they wear. That's one thing that's cool about Tori, you can tell that she focuses on a lot more than apearance. Please feel free to send my commmments privately on the role of fashion in teens and stuff. Love, Jessie Smile!!!!! :) http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ "Love is when two people are together-their hearts smile And when they're apart-a thought will do the same And when they embrace-their hearts just grin." - -Brian Oehlert "Love" ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #7 ***********************************