From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #4 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, January 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 004 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [Mikewhy ] Re: Tori on Letterman [JEDAS1 ] more GE stuff [SmerfCrazy ] Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [JEDAS1 ] Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [ChinaDust ] tori calendar ["Hector Hernandez" ] Bootlegs ["Paul" ] merry clayton [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard)] new person on the list....in reply to Kate Bush [clockwork_lemon@juno.com] Re: one last Kate note [Marcel F G Rijs ] Tori's Earrings ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: tori calendar [geministar@webtv.net] Re: new person on the list....in reply to Kate Bush [geministar@webtv.net] Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [geministar@webtv.net] Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. [Nadyne Mielk] Re: Deconstructing Tori ["Stephanie.Handley" ] YKTR ["Hanna Paulus" ] Re: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. [Richard ] nah, you really shouldn't feel extremely special for owning the original talulah [Tasha325 ] Re: Really Important Tori News!!! [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ba] Re: tori calendar [MRDucks2 ] Re: new person on the list... [clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballar] Re: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. [clockwor] Re: merry clayton ["~the franchise~ forever t-boz's guy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:17:08 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! JOE posted misc stuff with the subject header "Really Important Tori News" I am not trying to be mean here, but *please* don't use that subject heading unless you have Important Tori news! Your post was interesting, but it did not really reveal any news. With a new album and tour coming, I get rather excited when I see such a heading, expecting to read something about that album or tour! Yours in Tori, MIkewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:36:16 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Tori on Letterman In a message dated 1/3/98 4:27:18 PM, hanna89@hotmail.com wrote: <> Yes I did see it, and I taped it. She also did Hey, Jupiter. =) julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:44:44 EST From: SmerfCrazy Subject: more GE stuff ok, so i know that there is more than enough information on the Great Expectations soundtrack and such, and i know that it might be a little redundant, but i figure..... hey, if you cant beat em, join em, right?! so i thought id share this little review of Tori Amos on the soundtrack in this free newspaper called "Liner Notes" that i picked up.... actually, i picked it up solely becuase it was free and its been sitting here for like 3 days and i just opened it up and BOOM!....... Tori Review!!!!! damn, little things like that always gge tme all excited and stuff......... yes yes, im pathetic.. alright, enough babble, heres what it said: "....Tori Amos became the first to jump on board. although intimidated by the daunting task at first, Amos immmersed herself in the job. Working closely with Doyle, the two clicked as a team immediately. 'When i met Tori, it was as if i'd known her all my life', Doyle stated. Amos countered: 'All i want to do is take a bath in Guiness withim. I mean, i just adore Patrick.' Amos contributes to the film's score in several places, but it represented on the CD on the opener, 'Finn,' in which she provides a sensual vocal instrumentation on the Doyle-penned track. She also lends her unique talents to 'Siren', which was co-writeen by the duo........" thats about it for the Tori part........ just thought id share if anyone was interested.......??? ok, im done now.... circles and circles, john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:45:34 EST From: JEDAS1 Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! Joe Joe Joe Joe DECAFF JOE!! You're not being weird, but I'm sorry if Tori doesn't like it when people buy bootlets. I on the other hand love it...And it may sound snotty, but she seems pretty well off. =) hee hee julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:22:33 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! Joe: I don't want to flame up and get kicked off of this list for personal online assault, so I'll try real hard to be inhibited and civilized. First of all, you knew it wasn't important news, you knew it would have annoyed us possibly, (this I know, because you wrote it yourself :-)), so please don't do it, "Honey." <> I have the Collectibles book, too, and I didn't really believe that part about the bootlegs. It wasn't even directly from her! I myself have "contributed to such an atrocity." The guy who spoke for Tori said that it wasn't as much as "the artist receives no royalties for this work," but "does not want to see loyal fans waste hard-earned money." That writer kind of reminded me of a crooked lawyer. I also heard from an unofficial and probably unreliable source that Tori didn't think too badly about bootlegs. I dunno really. Anyone on this list know, for sure, Tori's opinion on bootlegs? <> There's a pretty big difference. Tori sings some a capella in the beginning of the Tornado that the original doesn't have. The drums come in later in Tornado. The sounds/instruments are different and reearranged. I mean, they're supposed to be similar, because they're the SAME SONG, but it's like you're saying "What's the difference between trees? They're all brown and green and long at the bottom and poofy at the top!" I know that's a really bad simile. I'm just a bit irritated and cynical right now. And it's not the weather. -- Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:37:20 +0500 From: "Hector Hernandez" Subject: tori calendar Can someone please help me out. I really want a Tori calendar, does anyone know how I can get one? Thanks. Alma ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:07:52 +0000 From: "Paul" Subject: Bootlegs On 4 Jan 98 at 0:21, Space Dog allegedly said: > Now, don't jump all over me, but does anyone actually > fall for this and spend all their hard-earned cashola on the same > single released in different countries or, a better example, a > single which contains nothing not released on any other single or > album??? I have actually - I have both the UK and US singles of Winter, Crucify, Cornflake Girl.. and many others. A lot of Tori's singles have tracks duplicated between them but I still feel I want them, because I'm a completist. I like the fact the US CFG single has the same cover and design as the UK Pretty Good Year singles. I have the US Talula single which has nothing new on it, but it's signed by Steve Caton. Every CD I have, whether Tori or not, has a little story and history attached to it, so I love them all regardless. I own upward of 300 CD's, and I can point to each one and tell you where and when I bought it. > I don't own any > bootlegs. Well, I own many COPIES of bootlegs, but no actual CD's. > I read how Tori really dislikes the whole bootleg thing--not > recording concerts, but selling them for profit which she never > recieves--and I'm very proud to have never contributed to such an > atrocity. But do any of you think I'm being silly or wierd? Neither, but I'd recommend you read the book "Great White Wonders" by Clinton Heylin, which is a history of bootlegs, and it could really give you a fresh perspective on them. The image of bootleggers being theives, robbing artists of valuable royalties, is really quite misguided. The majority of bootleg CD's, which are manufactured in Europe, enjoy a quasi-legitimate status in their country of origin due to loops in the copyright laws, and most have the publishing royalties paid to the artist via the copyright houses in their respective countries. And when you consider that Tori has sold millions of albums all over the world and that bootlegs, despite what the music industry will tell you, usually only sell between 1,000 to 3,000 copies before going out of print, you're not really robbing her at all. Just because you haven't bought bootlegs doesn't mean you're not feeding the machine - you're listening to them, after all. The only really bad thing about bootlegs is the lack of quality control - a lot of nasty people will put out any old shite, but thanks to the wonders of the Web you can now find bootleg guides for almost any artist, detailing tracks and quality ratings. > I also > don't own any singles, but I have the B-Sides and the equivalent to > the Talula UK single where Amazing Grace/'Til the Chicken are not > included on the B-Sides compilation. If you don't own singles, how do you own B-sides? A tape copy? That's directly robbing Tori of royalties, more so than any bootleg CD, because you haven't bought the singles but own the music. > Oh, yeah, is there anything > else not included that I may be missing? But I really want to own a > bootleg, but don't want to upset Tori because I know I'll be having > tea with her one day and happen to mention that I have bootlegs then > she'll throw one of her wierd shoes at me and storm out of the > bistro. Don't be daft. Even if Tori was opposed to bootlegging, which I don't think she is, she's hardly going to snub a hardcore fan just because they have some unreleased recordings. It means you love her all the more, because you're prepared to ignore the record companies trying to tell a music lover what they can and can't hear from an artist, which is usually a decision made on fiscal and nor artistic grounds. The way I see it, Atlantic Records, and indeed Tori herself, have absolutely no right to tell me, Toriphile, that I can't listen to Y Kant Tori Read just because they don't want to press any more CD's of it. Neither have they the right to tell me I can't listen to a concert I couldn't go to because it was in America or Italy or Germany or whatever. As you might have guessed, I am fascinated by bootlegs :) Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "NATO annulled after delegate | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du swallows treaty" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | paultweedy@yahoo.com | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | U2 : 'Pop' =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Political correctness is the language of cowardice" - Billy Connoly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:11:23 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: merry clayton Its the new girl again..... For all the non-Rolling Stones fans (I love them) Merry Clayton is given a credit for singing in the song "Gimme Shelter" (a great song...) Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:02:51 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: new person on the list....in reply to Kate Bush Hello, everyone, My name is Natalie and I will be dropping in on your conversations from now on (at least when I have time to get my mail.....I about had a heart attack when I picked up my mail and saw that I had 43 messages). On the subject of Kate Bush......I adore the song "Running up That Hill" but otherwise, argghh!!!! I don't see how she is comparable to Tori at all, just like I still don't see the similarities between Fiona Apple and the deplorable Alanis Morrissette, other than the fact that both have two X chromosomes. Has anyone ever heard the band Mazzy Star? They are absolutely wonderful, and I highly recommend them. Hope to hear from my new penpals. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:01:40 +0100 From: Marcel F G Rijs Subject: Re: one last Kate note Hi, "Ellis, Melanie S" writes: >Subject: one last Kate note > >Hey out there! > >First off--THANK YOU to everyone that agreed to make tapes for me--I >will be getting in touch with you ASAP! I am touched by the generosity >of the list members...that sounds really cheesy and dumb, but I mean it! >Info on Tori and "rare" songs are the most precious and appreciated >gifts one could give to a fan! I wish I could hug you all! > >But, although im sure none of you were holding your breath...I sat down >and listened to Kate Bush, and, oh dear! It was torture! I liked that >Get out of my house song and that one about pulling the pin I liked a >little, but I really had to grit my teeth for the rest of it. I couldn't >make it trough the dreaming album at all. Am I really closed minded? I >dont know. However, I did think that it was interesting that David >Gilmour discovered her and sung on that pin song. (im a Floyd fan). I obviously don't know _how_ unbearable you felt "The Dreaming" was, but I think I can sympathize with you for at least a little bit. I have known Kate Bush's music since she started her career in 1978 (I was 7 at the time) but obviously only heard the singles on radio and TV then. When I started buying records, in 1985, "The Dreaming" was one of the first LP's I bought, and the first Kate Bush album. Boy - that was a difficult one! The only song I knew was "Suspended in Gaffa" (which was a single in 1982 here in Holland) and "Sat in your lap" (a single in 1981). All the other songs sounded terribly confusing and noisy. I took me a whole year to actually appreciate all the songs on the album. I'd spent 20 Guilders on that LP (Some $10, a fortune for a 15-year-old) and I wasn't about to give up easily. It's been one of my favourite albums of all time since 1987. But then, I am a dedicated Kate Bush fan of course... Are you really close minded if you don't like this album? Well, of course! ;-) ;-) ;-) Obligatory Tori Content: wouldn't it be great if Tori's fourth solo album would be as complex and genial as "The Dreaming"? :) Greetings, Marcel Rijs "Conan the Librarian" Den Haag, The Netherlands EUROPE MY BRAND NEW HOMEPAGE: www.bart.nl/~mfgr ORDER THE KATE BUSH COVERED CD! Check my homepage for details. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 06:26:11 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Tori's Earrings I noticed Tori's earrings also, and if you really like them, I'm pretty sure that it isn't too hard to find something that looks like them because my aunt for Christmas gave me a necklace and earrings and the earrings do look like Tori's, they are small silver tear drops that hang down a little very very similar, they aren't real silver though, but I'm sure if I wanted to I could take them to a jeweler and have the jeweler make them with real silver. The ones I have cost $10. ~Hanna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:57:55 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: tori calendar Alma, Try CDNow on-line (www.cdnow.com). The '98 calendar costs about $9.98. Good luck! ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:53:29 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: new person on the list....in reply to Kate Bush Natalie, I know what you're saying about the comparisons to Fiona Apple and to Alanis Morrisette. If anything, I can tolerate the comparisons to Fiona much more, because she is a true piano player, but she said in an interview that she absolutely hates to play the piano in concerts and thinks that it takes _away_ from the actual intimacy. Get that girl to a Tori concert ~ now! I like Mazzy Star as well. I have their CD "Among My Swan", which is very etheral in nature, I think. My only problem is that sometimes it gets really hard to understand what she's saying! But I guess that's part of what makes them so intriguing, you know? "maybe I'm a witch, lost in time . . ." Hear the west wind whisper my name . . . http://www.angelfire.com/ny/westwind ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:04:37 -0500 From: geministar@webtv.net Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! Hey Joe ~ The one thing I can tell you (since it seems that everyone else has approached you about everything else you said in your post), is that Tori would never "throw one of her weird shoes" at you in a bistro. I did get a giggle out of that one though. The only thing that I've read somewhere that applies is that she has said that she will not have coffee (or tea, if you will), with anyone who does not believe in faeries. Are you a believer, Joe? Hmm? Toodles, ~geministar* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Space Dog wrote: [snip] > Anyway, I just bought Tori Amos Collectibles (a book of EVERYTHING ever > released by Tori or anything about her--everything)=20 Actually, it's missing some items. It's missing some CDs where Tori=20 contributed a track, and it's slightly out of date now {it's missing the=20 SATY re-release, the Sunglasses Hut promo, and some other stuff}. > and, frankly, I find > the whole idea of so many different versions of the same thing re-release= d > over and over and with slightly different colouring on the pictures very > amusing and shameless. Now, don't jump all over me, but does anyone > actually fall for this and spend all their hard-earned cashola on the sam= e > single released in different countries or, a better example, a single whi= ch > contains nothing not released on any other single or album??? =20 You're obviously not a collector. There are those who are collectors=20 {and go after -everything-, regardless of what's on there, so that their=20 collection will be complete -- everything from all the versions of the=20 singles to magazine articles to strange promos} and there are those that=20 are just in it for the music, so never really bother with all the=20 versions of everything out there. Have you never collected something? C'mon, let's look at the people with= =20 Beanie Babies, shall we? Now that's bad. ;) [snip] > I don't own > any bootlegs. Well, I own many COPIES of bootlegs, but no actual CD's. = =20 So you do own bootlegs. A tape copy of a show is just as much of a=20 bootleg as a CD. =20 > I > read how Tori really dislikes the whole bootleg thing--not recording > concerts, but selling them for profit which she never recieves--and I'm > very proud to have never contributed to such an atrocity. =20 The remarks in the Tori Collectibles book appear to be from the author,=20 and don't necessarily reflect Tori's opinion. Let's see, from the=20 biography _All These Years_: =09Unhappy about her fans spending money on poor-quality recordings, =09Tori felt a bit better when Robert Plant advised her that "you =09ain't nothing until you're bootlegged." The way I read it, Tori isn't displeased with the idea of being=20 bootlegged, but rather that her fans might get a horrible sounding=20 recording. {Anyone else ever had the sheer displeasure of hearing a=20 copy of the boot "Ultra Rare Tori"?} > But do any of > you think I'm being silly or wierd? =20 Yes. First of all, it's silly to say that you're not supporting the=20 bootleg industry and giving them your money that Tori never receives, and= =20 then go on to say: > I also don't own any singles, but I > have the B-Sides and the equivalent to the Talula UK single where Amazing > Grace/'Til the Chicken are not included on the B-Sides compilation. =20 So you made a copy of the singles. Ahh, yes, a bootleg. Buying the=20 singles would directly result in Tori getting money -- and yet you=20 decided that you didn't need to pay for the singles and got copies of=20 them. =20 "Hey, Kettle? It's Pot. You're black." So who's worse? The bootlegger who tapes a show, presses a thousand or=20 so CDs {bootlegs are very rarely pressed in any great quantity}, and=20 sells 'em; or the guy who makes a copy of all of the b-sides from a=20 friend's discs. Hmmmmm, does Tori get any money from your cassette copy=20 of the b-sides? No. Does Tori get any money from the bootlegs? =20 Actually, the way I understand it, she does. Due to loopholes in the=20 copyright laws in the countries where bootlegs are produced, the boots=20 are legal to make there -- and as such, Tori -does- get royalties. {Don't quote me on that. I could very easily have the details of the=20 process mixed up.} > But one last thing: What is=20 > the difference between the Tornado and the LP Talula's??? I bought BfP > used and I just listened to the Tornado tonite and realized "Hey! What > gives? Where's the difference?" and I think I may have purchased one of > those first 800,000 copies of BfP. =20 The tornado mix starts out with Tori singing "he's chasing tornados", the= =20 regular version doesn't. That's the easiest way to tell. > If so, I feel very privleged. Like I > own a test print!!! That'd be tr=E9s cool. =20 Sounds like you have the collector's instinct. ;) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:10:45 -0500 From: "Stephanie.Handley" Subject: Re: Deconstructing Tori ChinaDust wrote: > In a message dated 97-12-31 11:47:50 EST, stephanie.handley@mci.com writes: > > "come on..." on "blood roses." please don't refer to that as a flaw, because > it makes it seem like a worthy voice has to be as artificial as, um, the study > of speech intonations or something. (??) Oh, don't misunderstand me, I didn't mean it as a *fault* or flaw, I was just interested. I agree that at the end of "toodles" she's doing the little girl thing, that's what made me wonder, if as a little girl she didn't speak like that. And I also recognize the way she uses her voice as an instrument in itself (which, of course it is, but many tend to forget that). Take Mr. Zebra for instance. I think she uses even particular *words* because of the musical effect. I think that song is the best example of her using her voice and choice of words as an instrument. And believe me, I *love* to hear her breath, sigh, etc on studio recorded songs. It makes it all the more real, more like she's at my piano in my room, singing for me. Ahhh, the beauty of Tori.... Slainte, Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:16:02 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: YKTR The song "Cool on your Island" on YKTR seems really familar to me, and this is the first time I've ever heard the whole CD. Did they ever play COYI on the radio? Does any one know? ~Hanna~ "Hi everybody! How are you? I wore my tropical shoes for you tonight. Yeah, I figured that's the closest you guys are getting to tropical for a long time all day. Any way, um...(goes into song)" - -TA, Royal Albert Hall, London - -March 9, 1996 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. Nadyne said, of the Collectibles book: > Actually, it's missing some items. It's missing some CDs where Tori > contributed a track, and it's slightly out of date now {it's missing the > SATY re-release, the Sunglasses Hut promo, and some other stuff}. It's also missing *most* of the official posters and T-shirts, which I find to be rather astonishing. And it parroted some of the misspellings of venues from the '96 tour which were being promulgated on the internet. (Thaila Mara Hall instead of Thalia Mara Hall in Jackson, Mississippi. Pope Joy Hall instead of Popejoy Hall. That kind of thing. Case in point for doing real research and not relying on someone's list found on the internet--especially before publishing a *book*.) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:53:17 EST From: Tasha325 Subject: nah, you really shouldn't feel extremely special for owning the original talulah when there is 800,000 copies of a certain song pressed, there is no shortage of it, and therefore is nothing to boast in having. you could maybe feel a *little* special for say...having all the different imports of a certain single or something like that...try it ;). i myself do own the two versions of BfP in question just because, and we collectors are just weird that way i have been looking just to see, and i have found a few copies of the BfP original Talulah in town this last week...so they are still alive and well! :) anistasha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:14:00 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: YKTR I have never heard YKTR. I found it for thirty dollars at a used CD store, but once I scraped together some cash, it was gone. Grrr. Anyways, is it actually a good album worth buying? (Aside from the fact that it is Tori memorabilia, I mean.) Has anyone heard Tori's beautiful cover of the Cure's "Lovesong"? I actually found that one on a CD at the same store for the same price....and it was sold before I could get it. I have the worst luck!!! Does anyone know of any other CD it might be on? (The one I found it on was a live cover album). Thanks, Natalie Priests and legislators do not hold shares in my womb or my mind. This is my body. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:18:37 PST From: "mimi stout" Subject: tori calendar and other stuff i got my tori calendar last year at a trade-in/imports record store that carries a lot of tori stuff also, joe just so you have someone on your side i wasn't offended by your post i thought it kinda cute also again, in a book i have it says "Unhappy with fans buying poor quality copies, she cheered up when Robert Plant told her 'You ain't nothing until you're bootlegged'." so i think she doesn't mind use buying them she just minds that we spend our money on some thing that isn't of best quality anyway i think that's all love, mimi "faeries to watch over you" Robert Plant did it for me. I was ten years old and I wanted to give him my virginity." tori "and in the doorway they stay and laugh as violins fill with water, screams from the bluebells can't make them go away" tori, girl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:02:36 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:04:37 -0500 geministar@webtv.net writes: >The only thing that I've read somewhere that applies is that she has >said that she will not have coffee (or tea, if you will), with anyone >who does not believe in faeries. > I think this is a rather poor example of decorum!! But truly, it amazes me how many teenage girls believe in faeries just because Tori does. I could rant and rave for hours about how people have lost any idea of individuality (or worse, how people think they are individuals when they look and act like everyone else), but I really don't have any explanation for this. I suppose they'll grow out of it :) Natalie > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:18:49 EST From: MRDucks2 Subject: Re: tori calendar The Tori calendar is a British import. Here's the information printed on it: Oliver Books Unit 16-18 Wimbleton Stadium Business Center Riverside Road Londson SW17 OBA UK Tel: 0181 879 3949 Fax: 0181 879 0792 www.oliverbooks.co.uk I cannot see any number clearly marked as the ISBN, but the numbers on the UPC symbol are: 5 032160 020036 Their catalog number for the Tori calendar on the enclosed order form is TORI98 You can also get it at Your Direct Catlogue - Rock & Pop Calendar Contents ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:28:45 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: new person on the list... On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:24:20 PST "mimi stout" writes: >i know who mazzy star is they are my favorite band (well them and >luxury) it's good to know that another tori fan likes them > >i can't stand kate so that's all i'm saying about that > >love, >mimi Kate has my respect because her style of music is so different, but that voice, that voice!!!! Ack. Mazzy Star manages to make the most beautiful music, even though their music in essence is very sparse. Hope Sandoval's voice is magnificent. Any Portishead fans on the list? Natalie Priests and legislators do not hold shares in my womb or my mind. This is my body. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:23:22 -0800 From: clockwork_lemon@juno.com (Natalie T Ballard) Subject: Re: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:57:10 -0500 (EST) Nadyne Mielke writes: >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Space Dog wrote: > > > >> and, frankly, I find >> the whole idea of so many different versions of the same thing >re-release= >d >> over and over and with slightly different colouring on the pictures >very >> amusing and shameless. Now, don't jump all over me, but does anyone >> actually fall for this and spend all their hard-earned cashola on >the sam= >e >> single released in different countries or, a better example, a >single whi>ch >> contains nothing not released on any other single or album??? * I am not a collector. I love Tori for her music. While I will buy a single if it has an unreleased song on it, I will not buy the horrible remixed techno crap simply because it has Tori's name on it (though the temptation has been strong.) Someone once told me that there is Tori toilet paper in some catalog. While the thought of such a novelty item is amusing, I (and probably most of you as well) would hesitate to poop on Tori's face :) Natalie Priests and legislators do not hold shares in my womb or my mind. This is my body. - --Marge Piercy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:38:53 -0500 From: "~the franchise~ forever t-boz's guy" Subject: Re: merry clayton Merry Clayton is also prominent on the Ringo Starr single "Oh My My" (from his brilliant 1973 solo album "Ringo", still in print and highly recommended) ~the franchise~ forever t-boz's guy mailto:franchiseftg@wrestleworld.com (CJ Marsicano) Publisher & Editor-In-Chief The Outsider Edge Wrestling Newsletter http://forevertbozsguy.simplenet.com/outsideredge/ mailto:outsideredge@forevertbozsguy.simplenet.com "I run the show and you can kiss my ass!" - TLC, "Bad By Myself" "You should never give ultimatums because they can come back and bite you. And, oh, by the way, wherever you are, bite me, will you?" - Eric Bischoff "You can kiss my ass now, or you can kiss it later!" - Shane Douglas "Francine, what can I tell ya? You must be insane - My crank is ten times bigger than Shane's!" - Rick Rude (also allegedly attributed to ~the franchise~ forever t-boz's guy) "It's not arrogance, it's greatness!" - Shane Douglas "I might talk a lot of shit, but I back it up!" - Mase, "Been Around The World" "If you have the luxuries, you don't need the necessities." - Ras RoJah (AKA Roger Steffens of The Beat magazine) "Bite me!" - Kevin Nash - -----Original Message----- From: Natalie T Ballard To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 8:43 AM Subject: merry clayton >Its the new girl again..... >For all the non-Rolling Stones fans (I love them) Merry Clayton is given >a credit for singing in the song "Gimme Shelter" (a great song...) > >Natalie > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:42:51 -0500 From: "Stephanie.Handley" Subject: Re: Really Important Tori News!!! Well said. Thank you. Slainte, Stephanie Natalie T Ballard wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:04:37 -0500 geministar@webtv.net writes: > > >The only thing that I've read somewhere that applies is that she has > >said that she will not have coffee (or tea, if you will), with anyone > >who does not believe in faeries. > > > > I think this is a rather poor example of decorum!! But truly, it amazes > me how many teenage girls believe in faeries just because Tori does. I > could rant and rave for hours about how people have lost any idea of > individuality (or worse, how people think they are individuals when they > look and act like everyone else), but I really don't have any explanation > for this. I suppose they'll grow out of it :) > > Natalie > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Logynon Femidom Microgynon) Subject: Bootlegs, all the Tori collectibles out there, etc etc etc. (fwd) Nadyne typeth: > The way I read it, Tori isn't displeased with the idea of being > bootlegged, but rather that her fans might get a horrible sounding > recording. That's exactly what she said on an interview tape I have (I think it's "breakfast at the House Of Blues") She said that her problem with boots is people getting burned by bad ones. That's why I created the Bootleg Discography (don't tell me, I *know* it needs updating..) because I got burned buying a few bad ones.. > Does Tori get any money from the bootlegs? > Actually, the way I understand it, she does. Due to loopholes in the > copyright laws in the countries where bootlegs are produced, the boots > are legal to make there -- and as such, Tori -does- get royalties. > > {Don't quote me on that. I could very easily have the details of the > process mixed up.} Well, as I hear it, the companies are required, by law, to place a certain percentage of their profits on the CDs they sell into an account, ostensibly to pay the artist royalties. I don't know if the amount per CD is set or made up on a case by case basis. For all I know, it could be a penny on every $100 sold, but even so, legally, they're paying a royalty. The other thing about that is that they're not required to find and pay the royalties to the artists. The artists have to find the company, find the accounting department, and doubtless, fill out tons of papers to get their royalties. It's slimy, but these companies find ways to stay within the letter of their laws... - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "I can't be really clear here, but if you know what I mean, you know exactly what I'm talking about." -Janeane Garofalo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:42:54 EST From: ChinaDust Subject: Re: Unique Clones (was Really Important Tori News!!!) In a message dated 98-01-04 16:01:54 EST, clockwork_lemon@juno.com writes: << But truly, it amazes me how many teenage girls believe in faeries just because Tori does. I could rant and rave for hours about how people have lost any idea of individuality (or worse, how people think they are individuals when they look and act like everyone else) but I really don't have any explanation for this. I suppose they'll grow out of it :) Natalie >>> Yeah! I've been thinking about this one for a while. Thanks for bringing it up, um...Natalie. I...can't verbalize/explain what I'm trying to get at, either, but you really hit home with what I feel about the "individual" clone. I myself an a teenage girl (14) and I went through a Tori Obsession Phase where everything she said, everything she wore, everything that came from her, I wanted to be. And I'd write like her, play piano like her, even THINK like her, and then I would stand up and call (or at least consider) myself a very unique individual. It was disgusting. I mean, individuality isn't about being different, it's just about being you, and that's a point many people, including me, just don't get. And, I know sooo many people who like Alice Walker and Neil Gaiman and everything else Tori is into, but they didn't seem to be into Everything Tori BEFORE they knew about her. Well, I've totally contaminated your statement and taken away from my point by now with my vague little rambling, but I just wanted to say that what you wrote was something to really think about, something that's very hard to put into words, but you managed to do it. Thanks, Natalie. -- Eileen Lew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:52:12 EST From: rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.) Subject: Tori's Earrings Tori told me that she wears the earrings (though she doesn't any longer, you'll notice) because they made her feel good. She bought them at a shop called "Jess James" in London (and she wrote that in my LE booklet too!) She talked about them in some online interview as well. And yes, she was wearing them the one, lovely, precious time that I met her - how do I know? I was so overwhelmed I just focused on her left ear and tried not to freak out...which I did anyway :) marlantigone - --- http://www.KrebStar.com Your New Favorite Band ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:47:12 PST From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Independent Behavior I agree with both Natalie and Eileen, you have to be yourself, no matter how hard you try you aren't going to suddenly become Tori Amos. I myself would love to be her, but it won't happen. You can pretend that you agree with everything she says and even convince yourself that you do, but inside there's no way you can think exactly like her and have the same oppinions on everything. You can try, but it won't benefit you at all, you're just hiding the real you and it all catches up in time. Even if you mimiced all her behaviors including dress, piano, singing, thoughts, hair, and changed your name to Tori Amos you still wouldn't be her. And I am pretty sure that if you met her, and I know some of you have, I'm pretty sure she would be bored to talk to someone who thought the exact same way as her. Sure it would be fun for a while, but when you get down to it life would be boring if there wasn't conflict between oppinions. If every one believed the same thing, it would be so plain and unrealistic. We have to except who we are and stand up for ourselves and our beliefs not for someone elses, what good does it do you to stand up for something you personally don't believe in, but your role model does? It doesn't do anything for you. I can't have Tori dictating my behaviors, I have to do that myself. ~Hanna~ "If you don't treat me better baby I'll just run away..."-TA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #4 ***********************************