From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #345 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, December 6 1997 Volume 02 : Number 345 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Calendars for sale ["/meade ee" ] Little Orgasms ;-) (was: virginity) [Shirley ] MTV News Clip Correction ["Michael L. Whitehead" ] re: Most memorable Tori moment [Laura ] Re: Little Orgasms ;-) (was: virginity) [Lady Eorann ] more ramblings [Shirley ] Re: Mary... [Richard Handal ] Re: Tori Calendars for sale [Quinn024 ] Re: Fw: Ice cream ["Raven" ] The Red Shoes parallels,amendment & coolest Tori moment [Mystyglass@webtv] Re: Tori-progress [Urucyon ] a question... ["Raven" ] Tori mentioned... ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:23:31 PST From: "/meade ee" Subject: Re: Tori Calendars for sale alright, i give up! help me! ****what is the isbn number for the tori calendars?**** were they published in the us? is it atlantic-authorized? /meade ********************************************* he says he rekons i'm a watercolour stain he says i run and then i run from him and then i run he didn't see me watching from the aeroplane he wiped a tear and then he threw away our apple seed tori ** father lucifer http://stain.simplenet.com/ ********************************************* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:01:41 -0800 From: Shirley Subject: Little Orgasms ;-) (was: virginity) At 11:46 AM 12/4/97 -0500, Jessie L Ksanznak wrote: >Well, and then there's the name of the song. Little Earthquakes, >hhhhhmmmmmmm. Talk about a double meaning. In fact that's what my dad >thought it meant until I told him otherwise. (Can you imagine explaining >it to your dad? "No, dad, it's NOT an orgasm.") Well, it's undeniable that her music is very sexual. Not necessarily sexy music, but many sexual references are poking all around... and the art work of the back cover of Little Earthquakes - its unmistakably phallic. And, you don't know, maybe Little Earthquakes is meant to be taken as sexual metaphor I wonder since the next album is going to be more "tribal" if that means maybe it'll have a more sexual beat? Supposedly, it is also more "joyous" because of her happiness with her present boyfriend. That too, is an indication to me that maybe this album will be more sexual. And, in that article I saw on the Dent, this album is supposed to be heavily influenced by Led Zeppelin and Marvin Gaye - a lot of Marvin Gaye is sexual (I don't know about Led Zeppelin, except that Plant was a hottie... and the song "Whole Lotta Love" - that's sexy) To me, all of this points to a more sexy album. And, it makes sense, an album celebrating sexuality ... why not? What are everybody's thoughts on this? I am really looking forward to finding out about this :) 1998 will be a good year - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 I look at you and see My life that might have been -Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:36:00 -0500 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: MTV News Clip Correction I must report on an inaccuracy: Laura said: >serena talked for a min about tori's new album and great expectations sndrck >(nothing new,only vaguenessss) >and then it cut away to a tori interview from 1996 and she talked about the >roots of rainn.you know the sTori.... the 14 year old girl who was getting >continually raped and Tori knew she had to do something and she assembled >people together she trusted ans she *did* do something. Well, that is not quite correct. The interview clip was less than 4 weeks old, and was from an interview she did for MTV Europe in London on November 11, 1997. (It said so on the screen and you can tell by looking at her hair style.) So it turns out to be the most recent thing on the TV that we have seen of her! The details and a photo AND a video clip are all on my site. *PLEASE* try to double check things before posting them to the list...so that we don't get confused :) It is cool to see recent Tori footage, even if the RAINN story is old news for most of us. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 04:32:50 -0300 From: Laura Subject: re: Most memorable Tori moment I can't really name a Tori moment, like seeing her or talking to her (I could tell you my dreams about these though ;p ).. but I do have memorable moments that were possible thanks to Tori...if it wasn't for her and her music... ( *and* to the "good cop & the one who wonder if he's bitter" ;p that run PT,) I could have never met some people that I love and that I really consider my friends, even if I have never seen them face to face *yet* ;) ... getting to know them/you and share with them/you has been a great experience and I think that besides Tori and her music, they/you are the one/s who make my memorable moments everyday... Thank you guys, you really know how to speak to a Uruguayan ;-) besos laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 02:51:17 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: Little Orgasms ;-) (was: virginity) On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Shirley wrote: > Well, it's undeniable that her music is very sexual. Sexual or sensual? I think it's a little of both... > you don't know, maybe Little Earthquakes is meant to be taken as sexual > metaphor That's what I've always thought, *especially* after making love to it... > > I wonder since the next album is going to be more "tribal" if that means > maybe it'll have a more sexual beat? What does "tribal" have to do with "sexual"? Sensuous... maybe? I don't know exactly the correlation your making here. I don't recall hearing the new album was going to be more "tribal" I'm curious about this... > And, it makes sense, an album celebrating sexuality ... why not? If this does happen (on the new album or some future endeavor) I think it will be a *huge* step for Tori and for her EWFs. Because it's one thing to talk about sexual hang-ups, or to deal with human sexuality and sensuality in a round-about way (which I think is what she does, imbuing her music with a certain sensual mood/rhythm/tone, but not out and out talking about sexuality except in somewhat negative terms like running away from her lover, etc.). It's a totally different thing to confront sensuality head-on, and accept all the light and darkness that goes along with it. Hmm...it would be interesting. But I still think "Little Earthquakes" is in one aspect a metaphor for sex, as I think several of her songs are. There is definitely an earthiness about her and her music that is undeniable. Someone mentioned Mary Magdalene, and I think Tori is trying to bring that out in her music in certain ways (although I wouldn't call Tori herself a "Mary Magdalene" as someone on the list did earlier)--that natural sort of earthy quality woman seem to have. But while that is certainly part of sexuality, it isn't the whole picture, and I think it would be interesting to for Tori to explore more sensual topics in her music... But that's just my opinion... Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 3:47:08 CST From: Subject: Mary I was referring to Miss Mary as a metaphor, kiddies. Of course I know that Tori isn't substantially similair to the woman, but she does have the same feeling for both sides of the sexual/sensual world-the pure and the tarnished-she can relate to the struggles of the woman. I guess sometimes I spill out little poetry corners before I have time to analyze them, but hey it happens and i figure it's my little subconscious brain fairy waving back at me from inside. Like people in a snow globe. You wanna go there but you can't get in. And oh how i do hope tori's new stuff is perhaps a little sensually empowering! I find myself reaching for Ani these days when I want to feel empowered, and then reverting to tori when i need emotional support. What would I do if I had both to listen to??? (the most emancipating tori song would have to be Take To The Sky...Don't you agree?...but it was written so long ago...) Off the subject...is Richard Handal still around??? Are you lurking, Richard??? We miss you! We need your tori insight! um have a very merry day and don't forget the mustard... kerriloo^ "I say the world is sick, You say tell me what that makes us darlin'" <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 01:55:27 -0800 From: Shirley Subject: more ramblings At 02:51 AM 12/5/97 -0500, Lady Eorann wrote: I just associate drums with a sensuality. And, a lot of tribal music is intensely sensual... at least to me. It's so primitive and raw, etc Uhm here I found the quote that talks about the tribal thing, I would cut and past it, but it looks wierd so I'll paraphrase it. It's on Dent's New Album Watch Page. Basically, someone's teacher gave Tori's drummer lessons and said that her new album would have a tribal/latin feel to it. I guess that can be interpreted into anything, but personally, I associate tribal beats as being very sensual >If this does happen (on the new album or some future endeavor) I think it >will be a *huge* step for Tori and for her EWFs. Because it's one thing >to talk about sexual hang-ups, or to deal with human sexuality and >sensuality in a round-about way (which I think is what she does, imbuing >her music with a certain sensual mood/rhythm/tone, but not out and out >talking about sexuality except in somewhat negative terms like running >away from her lover, etc.). It's a totally different thing to confront >sensuality head-on, and accept all the light and darkness that goes along >with it. Hmm...it would be interesting. I guess I still think it would be really neat to see her new album as a celebration of sexuality between men and women... why not? I think I read somewhere that this album would be more joyous because of her current happy relationship w/ boyfriend. It makes sense to me that this album could be about that. And besides, I feel Tori has confronted a lot of issues in her music that need to be confronted first before you can really have a fully healthy relationship with a man. At least, her music is part of that process for me. So, wouldn't this be the next step? Also, I think I've mentioned this before, but the Marvin Gaye influence on her new album spells out to me: sexuality. His songs always have a very sensual undertone, and usually they are very blatantly sexual. And, Tori's cover of Whole Lotta Love (okay that's the only Led Zeppelin I know :P) - now that song is definitely talking about getting your groove on, you know what I mean? But, then I don't know. This might all be referring to superficialities of the album, like the way the album on a whole sounds, and probably has nothing to do with the actual lyrical content or meanings. I don't know. I'm curious about it. And also, it doesn't seem, with all the committments she's had this past year and the labors of touring that such an album that I talk about could be possible. Maybe in a future endeavor... She gave hints about Boys for Pele - her breakup with Eric, and since I've read interviews she did to promote the Boys album it becomes clear. And now I am reading tiny clips about the 1998 album, I try to piece together as much as I can what I perceive the new album to be about. It's largely speculative loony on my part... oh well :( This band thing has me really excited. I'm eager to see what Tori can do with the resources of a band. I imagine that her works will probably be all encompassing, massive compositions. With each album, she gets more indulgent and lavish - at least that's how I feel. And, the new song Siren gives hints of what is to come. :) I don't know what the right word for it is - but more expansive? more orchestration? covering a lot more bases than before? I don't know... maybe someone can rescue me from this hole I'm diggin myself into? :P - -- Shirley Ye University of California, Berkeley http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/3305 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Mary... Kerriloo! > Off the subject...is Richard Handal still around??? Are you lurking, > Richard??? We miss you! We need your tori insight! Jesus! My heart is just pounding. I'm TOTALLY exhausted, and I have to try to grab five hours of sleep if I can before going to work for another 14-hour day. I've been working insane hours now for a few weeks. I can barely rub two words together. But you all are doing just fine! Never sell yourself short. > um have a very merry day and don't forget the mustard... Ahh, speaking of sensuality--I've been taping and watching My So-Called Life on MTV for the past few weeks, and mustard is used as a metaphor on that show for sensuality coming out in an indirect manner. And I expect Tori's next album will definitely be heavy on the spicy, coarse variety of music. :-) I'm not all that into speculating what it's gonna be like, though. I'll be happy to simply immerse myself in it once it comes out. I much more want it to just happen to me. And frankly, it seems so soon. It's already upon us, and I don't feel prepared to deal with it. Maybe it's better that way, though. Maybe it'll make for a better journey that way. I know it's going to be beyond anything we could imagine, anyway. Thanks for thinking of me, Kerriloo. It's been nice seeing you post recently. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:11:52 EST From: Quinn024 Subject: Re: Tori Calendars for sale Hey- If anyone needs a Tori calendar let me know. They are like $10 and a number of my favorite stores around here carry them. Peace, NeilQuinn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:11:46 -0700 From: "Raven" Subject: Re: Fw: Ice cream Maybe the reason he (the uncle) mentioned Cherry Garcia and the lyrics is myabe he heard the "I can't believe you're leaving >'cause me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream" line and knew Charles Manson liked Cherry Garcia and connected it?? Maybe it's been too long of a day! - --- - --Raven - --"and i hate...and i hate...and i hate elevator music, the way we fight, the way i'm left here, in silence..." Little Earthquakes, Tori Amos > >I think the lyric your refering to is, "I can't believe you're leaving >'cause me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream" from Tear in Your >Hand, but that's on LE > >Tori's favorite ice cream is Cherry Garcia, but I don't think she ever >mentions that in a song. But you never know...maybe she did in a live >version of a UtP song. ;) > > >>Everyone, >> >>About a year ago my uncle mebtion a tori lyric to me that I cannot for the >>life of me locate. He said something about Tori's favorite ice cream >>flavor being Cherry Garcia or someting. He said it's from UtP but I've >>been through again and again. Can some please enlighten me. Is the such >>a line, if so where? or is my uncle insane? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jessie >> >>"When I find myself in times of trouble, >>Mother Marry comes to me, >>Speaking words of wisdom, >>Let it Be." >> >>-"Let it Be" by Lennon/McCartney of the Fab Four >> >>Smile!!!!! :) >> >>http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8616/ >> > > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:12:43 -0600 From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glasson) Subject: The Red Shoes parallels,amendment & coolest Tori moment That was an interesting theory about "Lily" and CALS. But I always thought CALS was more focused on losing your love...at least in the phrase "Boys on my right side, boys on my left side, boys in the middle, but you're not here..." I always thought that meant, even though I'm hangin' out with all these potential boyfriends and such I still wish you (the old flame) were still here in my heart. And THEN she talks about the "I need a big loan from the girl zone" sort of as an afterthought to that scenario. Know what I mean? Still, an interesting theory. I always found an immediate parallel in both the intros to "The Red Shoes" and "Cornflake Girl". You know, the fast paced mandolyn intro. They may have even started in the same key, I'd have to check but it was uncanny the first time I heard CG. I thought it was going to be "The Red Shoes". But whether Tori kind of "stole" the intro to that song or not doesn't really matter to me because first of all, the rest of the arrangement is totally different, and second of all, ALL artists "steal" a little bit here and there from different artists. I know this from writing songs myself. I have a song that I wrote when I started playing "Little Earthquakes" and I kind of used that same intro and then moved it into something completely different. It's ok. We all do it. But who knows if that was even intentional on Tori's part...*shrug* Also, that stupid ammendment. Just so it's straight I wrote this post concerning the Kate vs. Tori debate and sent it (presumably) before I sent the ammendment to it. So what you guys probably saw was just an ammendment to something you'd never read because the first attempted post never went through for some reason. But I forwarded it later and it turned up on the next digest ( a little late unfortunately). But all I wanted to do was replace the word "proceeded" with "preceded". It probably still doesn't make any sense to you, but I feel better, so there, :p And aaah, the mostest magicest Tori moment! No doubt for me it was the morning of the first snowfall of the year, and I had my alarm set to play a CD on my stereo. And can you guess what CD it was? Well, of course! The "Winter" single, and I awoke to the intro of that beautiful song and looked out the window, and saw all this perfectly gorgeous fluffy snow falling out of a sky of white. I smiled and I almost cried it was such a perfect moment! So of course I had to have her sign that CD when I met her and I requested the song and she played it! I was tickled! ;) That's all for now- (the "carp girl") Cynthia "There in the midst of it, so alive and alone Words support my bone." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:03:36 EST From: Urucyon Subject: Re: Tori-progress In a message dated 97-12-05 12:43:18 EST, you write: << True, BfP is clearly different to LE but i don't < think it's any better. BfP makes me think, but the sheer < strength of the images presented my LE is overwhelming, and i < think this is why some people accused her of changing to < acheive popularity(LIE-LIE-LIE!!!). < But where BfP makes me think, LE picks me up and throws me < around the room. >> i agree that LE definately presents very strong poetic images, just as strong as BfP. but, if you push the lyrics aside for a moment, and compare the CD's on a purely (what's the word?.....) instrumental level- i think BfP is much more complex. but i know that everyone listens to music in a different way. it's just that... when i listen to music, i feel the song's message purely through the melody and i hear the artists voice as being another powerful instrument in the orchestra. most of the time i never even know what the words are, i just subconciously tune them out. (it's kind of a handicap in some ways). after reading her lyrics on paper, i know that Tori is a brilliant poet, but i tend to identify her for her ability as a supreme composer. i guess that's why i like BfP the most. and i was so HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY to hear that in her next album, Tori is trying to concentrate heavily on the 'playing' aspect of her music. I CAN'T WAIT !!!!!!!!!! later folks, :-) bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 16:10:30 -0700 From: "Raven" Subject: a question... okay, now this is NOT necessarily Tori content so don't gripe, I warned you... I'm trying to find t-shirts on-line for various artists, (i.e. Tori, Sarah McLachlan, NIN, Hole, etc.). Does anyone know where I could look? I've done various searches on Metacrawler but didn't find much. I found Weatherman records... ????? Raven - --- - --Raven - --"and i hate...and i hate...and i hate elevator music, the way we fight, the way i'm left here, in silence..." Little Earthquakes, Tori Amos Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:30:59 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Tori mentioned... Hey there, I just found Tori being mentioned in 2 CD reviews from a site called Gallery Of Sound (www.galleryofsound.com ). Click away and read, this is a review for the album "Sisters Of Avalon" by Cindy Lauper. Stevie Nicks is mentioned here too. http://www.galleryofsound.com/archives/pop/lauper_cyndi.html This one is the review for "Thanks For The Ether" by a band called Rasputina. As a side note, the name of Kate Bush is mentioned on this review too, along with Tori's. http://www.galleryofsound.com/archives/alternative/rasputina.html Ok, there you go.! Bye, Giovanni Mantilla giofabman@hotmail.com ********************* CORNFLAKE CITY-----> My Tribute To Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html Giovanni's ARTIST CENTRAL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/personal.html ********************** "Me and Jesus a few years back, Used to hang and He said, "It's your choice, babe, just remember, I don't think you'll be back three days time, so you choose well." " ToRi AmOs, "Me And A Gun" *************************** ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #345 *************************************