From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #341 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, December 2 1997 Volume 02 : Number 341 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Lizzies [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Tori books for cheap, revisited [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori books for cheap, revisited [Lady Eorann ] Re: administrivia [Urucyon@aol.com] Re: administrivia [Michael Curry ] Re: CDNow [Karen Meyers ] Re: CDNow [Tori805@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V2 #340 [kerry white ] Re: CDNow [Elizabeth Lauren Perry ] Re: administrivia [Lady Eorann ] Making Faces [Lady Eorann ] Re: REMOVE ME!! -- Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) [ke] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: The Lizzies "how're the Lizzies, how's your Jesus Christ been hanging?" ~ While reading "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak, I came across a few very very interesting things. And i'm only on page 39, hehe. Anyway, I found a wonderful insight into Tori stuff here. As you know, Tori has read this book and has mentioned it before in interviews. Well, here is the Tori thing, from page 31 (the first mentioning of the Lizzies appears on this page, btw): "... Be kind when you speak of the forces of darkness. Do not speak as if they are bad. Simply understand that they are *uninformed*, and they create systems that are uninformed because that is how they believe they must operate. They fought at one time and separated themselves from knowledge, so now they desperately hold onto their existing knowledge and onto life as they have evolved into being. It is life based on fear, life that does not honor other life, life that uses other life. Who are these beings? They are the reptiles. These space creatures are part human and part reptilian. We call the the Lizzies because we like to make things a little less emotional and a little humorous so that you don't take them so seriously and get do upset. We are not here to frighten you - we are here to inform you. You know all of this inside you, and as you begin to open the history of who you are, some of you will begin to access reptilian memories." The Lizzies feed off our pain and turmoil, they need that energy. They represent what Christians call "Lucifer." - -j'ason http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/Toriphoria.html Toriphoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Tori books for cheap, revisited On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Ray Bailey wrote: > Btw, people were discussing Tori books earlier that were really > cheap? Where do I find those again? I haven't seen them while > shopping around, and I was just wondering what store again. Thanks! You're thinking of Blockbuster Music. Their books are 75% off 'cause they decided to stop carrying them. They never carried the _Collectibles_ book, so don't get your hopes up on that, but supposedly they have {or had} the rest {not sure if that includes the books of sheet music or not}. I personally have only seen the _Images and Insights_ book. I'm looking for the 2nd edition of _All These Years_, but no luck. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: Tori books for cheap, revisited Okay, just a question for my fellow EWFs in South Florida... Has anyone seen any Blockbuster Music that actually has any of the Tori books? I went to the one in Kendall and they had nothing at all... Although I know they usually had a fwe books in stock... Any help would be appreciated... I'm particularly searching for the Images and Insights book, and any of the books of sheet music... Thanks a million for any help! :) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:43:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mickey Sun Subject: CDNow they have the Tori calender for 7.99 plus shipping right now. in fact, their entire store catalog (including Tori stuff) is on sale right now. i've never purchased anything from CDnow, so i don't know if they like to totally screw with your order like intergalatic garage. http://www.cdnow.com Mickey Sun University of California, Santa Cruz | mailto:micksun@cats.ucsc.edu PGP print: E2 F6 A7 E7 ED FE 5A 09 CE 91 0D 32 5E CC 74 CD E1 4B A1 F4 PGP public key located at: http://www2.ucsc.edu/~micksun/pgp.htm Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take Hofstadter's Law into account. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: Urucyon@aol.com Subject: Re: administrivia In a message dated 97-12-01 01:42:53 EST, cochese@hotmail.com writes: << Hmm... so we can't even discuss things like that? I didn't really think when I signed up that the guidelines were all THAT strict. I mean, wow, at least it was TOri-related... >> Hmm is right. i wasn't under the impression that any of us on this list were upset with the direction that our rape conversations headed. i was glad that we had something interesting to talk about. LOVE TORI LOVE TORI LOVE TORI bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:51:56 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: administrivia On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Ray Bailey wrote: > Hmm... so we can't even discuss things like that? I didn't really > think when I signed up that the guidelines were all THAT strict. I > mean, wow, at least it was TOri-related... Well, there wouldn't be any point in even having guidelines if we didn't expect them to be followed, would there? When the discussion focused on Tori, what had happened to Tori and what Tori had said about it in various interviews, that was fine. It was when the discussion started straying into a debate about the definition of rape that it went out of bounds for this list. The guidelines are an attempt to keep the discussion focused on Tori, without things spiralling into debates on topics that are only loosely Tori-related. I don't know how things stand on the current version of the rdt mailing list, but it was the volume of non-Tori stuff that drove both woj and I away from rdt. This list was established to provide a lower-volume alternative to rdt, and the way we keep the volume down is by restricting range of discussion. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:01:50 -0600 From: Karen Meyers Subject: Re: CDNow My opinion of CDNow is very high. I have ordered numerous items from them and have never been treated with anything but the utmost efficiency and courtesy. They have even sent me store credit and e-mails wondering if I am OK. I say, if they have the Tori calendar, go for it there! I have never felt like they might hunt me down and steal my pets and any living children if I dare to question them or their customer service motives. Did everyone see the lovely photo of Ms. Amos in Kevin Aucoin's (sp?) new book "Making Faces?" Probably, this has been mentioned numerous times, and I have not been paying attention. Karen Minneapolis, MN "I'm not a normal girl. I'm an angry, sweaty girl, so bite me." - M. Estep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:36:00 -0500 (EST) From: Tori805@aol.com Subject: Re: CDNow In a message dated 97-12-01 14:08:32 EST, you write: << precious-things@smoe.org >> Micksun wrote: [i've never purchased anything from CDnow, so i don't know if they like to totally screw with your order like intergalatic garage.] I've ordered a couple of things from CD now and they were really great. You can even encrypt your credit info if you want to make it more secure. In fact I just ordered the Tori Interview CD - can't wait to get it this week!!!! (notice how smoothly I worked in a little Tori content ;) ) - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:16:22 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V2 #340 > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:23:51 PST > From: "Ray Bailey" > Subject: Re: administrivia > > >that said, the dialogue, while outside the bounds of precious-things, > was > >handled fairly well and i thank you all for keeping the tone relatively > >civil. however, i'll also thank everyone to keep things within the > >guidelines of the list in the future as well. > >woj > >precious-things good cop > > Hmm... so we can't even discuss things like that? I didn't really > think > when I signed up that the guidelines were all THAT strict. I mean, wow, > at least it was TOri-related... Discuss things like what? You quoted the thank you part of his message. > the reason we included this rule is because all too often threads about > these topics degenerate into flamewars. it's perfectly acceptable to > discuss, for instance, rape as it pertains to tori, but when the focus of > the thread moves from tori to, say, what constitutes rape, the discussion > has moved outside the bounds of >this< mailing list and is best taken to > private mail or to another mailing list or newsgroup. > ------------------------------ Tori's rape yes. "What is rape?" no. Sounds reasonable to me. KrW "I think we're ALL Bozos on this bus!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: Elizabeth Lauren Perry Subject: Re: CDNow > >I've ordered a couple of things from CD now and they were really great. You >can even encrypt your credit info if you want to make it more secure. In >fact I just ordered the Tori Interview CD - can't wait to get it this >week!!!! (notice how smoothly I worked in a little Tori content ;) ) > >-Sue I've ordered some Tori items from CDNow as well. They are extremely reliable and deliver your merchandise within two weeks. Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:36:15 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: administrivia Hi everyone. Just thought I'd put in a little something about this whole rape-thread thing... On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Urucyon@aol.com wrote: > Hmm is right. i wasn't under the impression that any of us on this list were > upset with the direction that our rape conversations headed. I don't think we were so much upset as it had taken a turn toward that place where all you do is go around in circles and attack those who do not agree. Look, arguing about whether men are chauvinist pigs or if women are "crying wolf" if they say sexual assault is the same as rape is never ever going to solve this problem we have. Rape and other forms of violence have been here as long as we can remember, and arguing isn't going to make it all go away. Worst of all, it had nothing to do with Tori. She is a survivor, not a victim, regardless of whether one calls what happened to her rape or anything else. (The reality is that we really know too few facts about what happened to make a decision) But don't mind me... I was just saying... Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. (who's hoping she won't get attacked for making this post...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Making Faces Hi Again everyone! :) On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Karen Meyers wrote: > Did everyone see the lovely photo of Ms. Amos in Kevin Aucoin's (sp?) new > book "Making Faces?" I saw it! I saw it! I thought it was funny because the "title" of the look Tori is sporting is called "The Innocent"--my boyfriend burst into laughter when he saw that one (I just don't equate Tori with the word innocent, that's all... don't flame me, okay?) Anyway, seriously, this is a great book if you're at all interested in wearing makeup... so many different looks (most not *that* complicated), plus lots of tricks and tips... Just a little out of my price range... Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. (still looking for that promised Tori-panel in Gaiman's Desire story in Vertigo's Winter's Edge) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: Re: REMOVE ME!! -- Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) I just got this e-mail. My e-address has been forged by a SPAMMer on this list, it would appear. Anyone here know ljwyatt@idsonline.com? I wonder what solicitation he received? (He >can't< be reacting this way to a reply to a mailing list) On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 ljwyatt@ids2.idsonline.com wrote: > You have spammed my e-mail account with an unsolicited e-mail > advertisement. > > Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) > I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an > individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is > attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted > and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are > now ILLEGAL under US federal law: > > By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer > meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) > (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to > such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary > loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. > > The users email address is: > zzkwhite@ktwu.wuacc.edu > > I will not tolerate this kind of behavior, please put a > stop to this! > > The message has a subject of Re: precious-things-digest V2 #340. > > The date and time that this message was processed was > 12/01/97 9:03:45 PM > > My e-mail account is protected by Unisyn SPAM Exterminator. > > ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #341 *************************************