From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #326 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, November 19 1997 Volume 02 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori & Andrew Eldritch [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] United in Tori [hope414@houston.email.net] Re: Tori & Andrew Eldritch [Ian McShane ] take to the sky [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: catching up [A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline ] queries [Brian the Lion ] Y Kant... [Alexander Jay Timin ] Tori Amos in Montreal? [ron enros ] Re: The Happiness of Depression? ["Raven" ] swell-ins??? [12KGILBERT@gallua.gallaudet.edu] Y Kant... Me please! Me! [Amanda Ross ] Re: swell-ins??? [12KGILBERT@gallua.gallaudet.edu] Re: swell-ins??? [Lady Eorann ] One more thing about Professional Widow [Lady Eorann Subject: Tori & Andrew Eldritch There's been a bit of discussion on the Sisters of Mercy mailing list recently about Tori's involvement with Andrew. There was a photo of them two of them together in an issue of Under the Rock, the official Sisters newsletter. Apparently Tori asked Andrew to work on some stuff on UtP for her, but he couldn't due to various timing and contractual limitations. Andrew has also apparently commented that he has written a song or two with Tori in mind and would like to work with her in the future. Can anyone out there enlighten us Sissies further as to what's going on between these two ultrakewl folks. This is like really kewl as far as I'm concerned (although some of the other folks on the Sisters list are less than impressed) and I'm really dieing to know more about it. Does anyone know if Tori has ever performed a song called 1959 live? It's a Sister's song that's piano based and that she would do really cooly. If any more news about this partnerhsip turns up on Dominion I'll let you know. Thanx muchly TTFN Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:51:39 CST From: hope414@houston.email.net Subject: United in Tori Now, I agree with WeirdyBoi that it is pointless for Toriphiles to compete with each other on who's the most devoted fan... and it is downright rude to put down the newer fans who are not quite sure where to find rare Toristuff to add to their collections. There was a time about five years ago when I was just getting into Tori's music, and I was not on the net, and I didn't have all the information and resources that I have today. I am 23, and I know that the younger Toriphiles can seem a little obnoxious and annoying... but I think back to when I was younger, squealing over Duran Duran in the mid-80's and I know I must have looked like a real goober. It's okay, though... some fans get more excited than others. When I see Tori in concert, I am very emotional, tearful, and elated! The newer fans don't need to be put down... they need to be welcome. They need information, resources, answers to FAQ's, and most of all, they need to know that the questions they have are valid, and will be answered. Share what you know, share your ideas, help others... that's what we are about. Show some patience and understanding to your fellow Toriphiles. Thanks for hearing me. Hope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:13:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian McShane Subject: Re: Tori & Andrew Eldritch I read an interview once with AE where he cited Little Earthquakes as one of his favourite albums of all time, and that during the LE era they hung out a little bit. He was going to produce something of Tori's, as she wanted something with distorted piano and she reckoned AE was the man when it came to distortion. But it never came to be. Paul - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "Inside his head, he's dead, he said 'I never was alive'" - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- The World Of Grendel : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du The World of Tori : http://toristuff.home.ml.org - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "The elite is by definition a minority" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:09:07 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: take to the sky somebody said: << FWIW, I can't find anything that mentions that the original title of TttS was "Russia". Do you have a source on that, WeirdiBoi?>> Yes, it's in the Tori Amos Collectibles book. On the early tapes for LE, the song was listed as "Russia." - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline Subject: Re: catching up On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Lanna Chidester wrote: > does anyone else think that maybe Mr.Zebra links back > to Professional Widow?? I havent analyzed the entire > song or anything but maybe Mrs. Crocodile is the Lady > MacBeth/Courtney Love character in Professional Widow.. > my puny amount of evidence: the last line of Zebra- > "Too bad the burial was premature" she said and smiled.. > am i just too wired due to lack of sleep?? just my > thoughts... ttyl lanna/gemenai I certainly think so. No, not that you're wired from lack of sleep! Well, maybe you are. Wait, let me start over. I certainly think that it's the same character. Or kind of character. But, then again, i tend to think that the protagonists in Tori's songs are always Tori. They don't have to be a complete picture of her, but i do think that they're always at least a part of her. Like the girl in Winter who's telling her dad she loves him, that's Tori, and the woman who is talking to the prostitutes in The Wrong Band, that's Tori, and the woman who's going riding on horses in Horses, i think that's Tori too. She writes from a very personal perspective, and she writes to heal herself and cleanse herself from demons and pain. What was my point? Oh, yeah! I know! Tori said that this album was a kind of a novel, with the protagonist going from song to song, picking up pieces of herself along the way. So she goes from being the insecure woman in Beauty Queen and reverts to the little girlish character in Horses and then the woman who's crawling along in Blood Roses and blah blah blah, i'm just taking up space here. Anyway, then there's the Widow in PW, and the next song is another step in the journey, or piece in the puzzle. What i meant to say and what i am saying are just NOT lining up well. Anyway, i forget exactly what Tori said about this song, but it was something along the lines of, "She looks so sweet and innocent but she's in the kitchen putting poison in the muffins." Maybe she's the flip side of the Widow, she's also manipulative and harmful, but she's acting it out in a different way, trying to get her power in just another kind of way. Has anything i said made sense? Feels like i've been trying to roll a really large rock uphill.... -=-laurie _____________________________________________ been thinking to myself "and if a life's not long what matter does it make if there be favorite songs in my head when we go down to the well?" -=-pixies!!! ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline Subject: Re: take to the sky On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 JEDAS1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/17/97 6:17:22 AM, WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > > < for > her Little Earthquakes LP. The song was originally titled "Russia.">> > > I thought she wrote "Me and a Gun" after seeing Thelma and Louise. From that > song she began Little Earthquakes LP, right???? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong. Julie I believe i heard her say somewhere (the Rhapsody in Pink bootleg? I don't remember....) that Me and a Gun was the very last song written for Little Earthquakes, and the Upside Down had to be booted from the record to make space for Me and a Gun. As for the first song written, the Little Earthquakes songbook says that China was the first one written. But i think i've heard her say other times that it was either Take to the Sky or Mary. Or maybe it was that they were some of the first songs. Anyway, if China was written in 1987, like WeirdyBoi said, then maybe when she said that Take to the Sky was first, she wasn't counting China, because it was written a couple of years before, and was only counting that batch of songs that lived in the faerie ring on the floor. Shrug. Idle speculation on my part. -=-laurie _____________________________________________ been thinking to myself "and if a life's not long what matter does it make if there be favorite songs in my head when we go down to the well?" -=-pixies!!! ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim/BlkSwan07) Subject: Re: Tori love (i wrote this dork back) Well I took some action after reading what this boy had written. here's what I sent him, and I hope the point was put across... Whyon earth would you write such a mean message to a new tori-phile? Sure, she may not be resourceful, but that's not a reason to be so rude. Please rethink your messages before you send them. And no, I am not a 'young' EWF, I have loved tori for quite a while, and I have NEVER seen a toriphile be so rude to another.. you're the disgrace to all the toriphiles out there. - --Kim The whole letter is absolutely true.. "Actually I think the muppets have a pretty good grip on things." - --Ray Lesch "Grief is not productive. It simply represents an inefficiency in accepting change of status" - Greg Bear "Intent and outcome are so rarely coincident." Neil Gaiman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: take to the sky On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > somebody said: > << FWIW, I can't find anything that mentions that the original title of TttS > was "Russia". Do you have a source on that, WeirdiBoi?>> > Yes, it's in the Tori Amos Collectibles book. On the early tapes for LE, the > song was listed as "Russia." I flipped through my Collectibles book and didn't see it. What page is that on? /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:28:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: queries dear all, thanks for all the help over my covers questions, but i have some more:- a)I went to the atlantic records page and, frankly, it was pretty poor. BfP was described as an "upcoming release"(!!!) and nothing beyond that was around. So, please, tell me what she's up to right now. The music press here in englend doesn't give her the attention she deserves. b)Is she planning anything else to do with Trent, ELdritch or Gaiman. I know she didn't strictly work with gaiman but th two pay complements to each other so often, i hoped two of my fav peep's might be doing something c)What some people might see as a sick question, but Tori's always wanted it brought forward not covered up so that's what i'll do. I had alway held that she was raped by a 'fan' outside an early concert when she offered him a lift home, but a site I recently visited said she wasn't. Which is true? d)I read somewhere Tori was working on a new album in the carribean. Is this true; if so; does that mean a tour, and is there any chance of her coming to the UK (anywhere i can actually afford to get to, to see her) - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Jay Timin Subject: Y Kant... I have an extra Y Kant Tori Read cd. If you want it, please reply off the list. Thanks, Alex ajtimin@freenet.tlh.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:15:06 -0500 From: ron enros Subject: Tori Amos in Montreal? Okay, I'm one of those people who lurks around on the list, and just admires all the intelligent things everyone has to say about Tori...I'm relatively new to the list, and come to think of it, I don't think I've ever posted before, but now I have this burning question, so I have to know! Flipping through the channels the other day I caught a Tori concert on a French music station, Musimax, called "Tori Amos Under the Pink in Montreal" Since I've only known Tori since the late UtP days, I was wondering have most people seen this t.v. special? Is there a video? Do they show it on other music stations often? I'd really appreciate anyone's answers... Trina * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:08:35 -0700 From: "Raven" Subject: Re: The Happiness of Depression? >Hi, >Following the recent discussion about Professional Widow, I don't "get" >_happy_ Tori song at all. She seems to be quite gloomy, she's been so on >all three albums and it seems like she's always depressed. >Marcel Rijs I understand. When I first became an Ears With Feet, I was depressed and listening to her helped me through it and to realize I wasn't the only one to have been through abuse and be bipolar. But now I'm pretty happy most of the time. When I'm really happy, I listen to Tori. Or when I need encouragement to make me see that I have to keep writing my songs and playing piano. Sometimes I get frustrated and need to re-realize why I want to perform. Usually, Tori isn't on my "heavy" music list, NIN is as well as other things... I think that maybe we listen when we need it, for MANY reasons... I think that even when we don't we listen, but then also i think we are always "needing" something.. - -Raven - --"and i hate...and i hate...and i hate elevator music, the way we fight, the way i'm left here, in silence..." Little Earthquakes, Tori Amos Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:16:09 -0500 From: deathgoddess@juno.com (Megan Muckelmann) Subject: couple of questions... Hello all..I have a few questons about Tori: 1. I just got Y Kant Tori Read...and on this album her voice seems more hoarse. I remember reading she abused her voice and needed to go to her grandparents for a while and not talk..Was this during this period or right after? (A good example is On the Boundary. She almost has a Coutrney Love scream..it's so odd...) 2. on Y Kant..did she write the songs herself, or were the band members involved? 3. DAMN! There was another one, but I forgot what it was. I'll write again when I remember. ~MEG~ "You're always there when I need you, you're my monosodiumglutomate." - -Spookey Ruben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: SmerfCrazy@aol.com Subject: a little help please ok, so hi, my name is John, and im fairly new to this list. Allow me to introduce myself....... like i said, my name is John (=3D=DE), im 17, and= i live in NY. Anyways, im sure you dont want to hear about how i discovered Tor= i and how much she means to me, becuase its basically the same thing for everyone......... ok, getting to the point, recently, AOL decided to breakdown on me, therefore forcing me to re-install everything. in doing= so, all of my bookmarks and favorite places were totaly deleted....... im ver= y upset due to the fact that i had a sh*tload of Tori websites there.......= .. what im trying to say is that it would be totally and greatly appreciated= if someone could just give me links to some really cool tori sites so i can = get back into the swing of things........ thanks alot people.......... Circles and circles, John =3D=DE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:45:03 -0700 From: "Raven" Subject: Re: Re: Where can I find...? Well, Almost all of those songs you listed are on ONE CD called i think, Rarities for Pele. I have it and it's pretty good! Pretty much it's all the b-sides from Pele (album versions and I think a couple of live versions.). I haven't listened to it in a while.. - --- - --Raven - --"and i hate...and i hate...and i hate elevator music, the way we fight, the way i'm left here, in silence..." Little Earthquakes, Tori Amos >>>Could somebody tell me in which singles I can find these songs (I know >they're in "some more for pele", but I don't think I'll ever come close to >one again)? They are:<< > >Okay here ya go! > >Hey Jupiter (dakota version) is found on the "HEY JUPITER" - special five >song EP. This also contains live perf. of sugar, honey, prof. widow (merry >widow version) and somewhere over the rainbow. > >That's What I Like Mick (the sandwhich song), and This Old Man, and Toodles >Mr. Jim are found on the "CAUGHT A LITE SNEEZE SINGLE" also includes a short >song called graveyard. > >London Girls, Samurai, and Frog On My Toe are found on the "TALULA CD MAXI >SINGLE. On this you'll find the tornado album version of talula, and a >talula that's a Bt's synethasia mix. > >Hungarian Wedding Song, Sister Named Desire, Alamo, Amazing Grace/ Till the >Chicken, that I know of are found on this CD I got called "The Broadcasts and >Bsides." Butterfly is found on the Higher Learning Soundtrack, and so is >Losing my Religion. > >That's all I can help you with. =) I know the Past The Mission Cd single has >Amazing Grace/Till the Chicken - but it's hard to find that CD. > > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: 12KGILBERT@gallua.gallaudet.edu Subject: swell-ins??? There was some discussion a week or two ago about none of Tori's songs from any of her full-length albums ending in a fade-out. After relistening to them, I discovered three songs that have a "swell-in" (sorry, I don't know the technical term, but I mean that the song starts with nothing, then builds to regular volume, like the opposite of a fade-out). These are Precious Things and China from LE (both synthesizer "swell-ins") and Not The Red Baron from BfP (piano "swell-in"). I didn't have the opportunity to check my YKTR for this occurrance (sp?), so I'm not sure if these are the only ones. By the way, does anyone know the technical term for what I call a "swell-in"? Kevin 12KGilbert@gallua.gallaudet.edu P.S. - Gallaudet is a university for Deaf and hard-of-hearing undergraduate students, but accepts hearing students as well in their graduate programs. I'm one of those hearing graduate students -- just to save any confusion my address might have caused. I do know some hard-of-hearing people who enjoy listening to Tori's music, however, and my Deaf roommate has at least heard of her. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Amanda Ross Subject: Y Kant... Me please! Me! I only recently learned about the Y Kant Tori Read cd. I am an avid fan just connected to the internet and am desparately trying to collect more tori. I'm in Canada so some stuff is harder to get I think. I would *LOVE* more of her stuff that I haven't heard yet. Please! *whine* - -Amanda in Toronto, Canada. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Jay Timin To: Precious Things Subject: Y Kant... I have an extra Y Kant Tori Read cd. If you want it, please reply off the list. Thanks, Alex ajtimin@freenet.tlh.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:01:48 -0500 (EST) From: 12KGILBERT@gallua.gallaudet.edu Subject: Re: swell-ins??? I (12KGilbert@gallua.gallaudet.edu) recently wrote: >There was some discussion a week or two ago about none of Tori's songs >from any of her full-length albums ending in a fade-out. After relistening >to them, I discovered three songs that have a "swell-in" (sorry, I don't know >the technical term, but I mean that the song starts with nothing, then builds >to regular volume, like the opposite of a fade-out). These are Precious >Things and China from LE (both synthesizer "swell-ins") and Not The Red Baron >from BfP (piano "swell-in"). I didn't have the opportunity to check my YKTR >for this occurrance (sp?), so I'm not sure if these are the only ones. > >By the way, does anyone know the technical term for what I call a "swell-in"? I finally got to listen to my YKTR album and found three songs that do the same thing: Floating City, On the Boundary, and the Etienne Trilogy. While listening to these, I noticed that ALL of the songs on the YKTR album with the exception of Pirates end in a fade-out. Does this have to do with Tori playing with a band? Should we expect more fade-outs on her next album? It'll be interesting to see. Kevin 12KGilbert@gallua.gallaudet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: swell-ins??? On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12KGILBERT@gallua.gallaudet.edu wrote: > By the way, does anyone know the technical term for what I call a "swell-in"? It might be called either a fade-in or a fade-up, but I'm not totally sure... anyone else? Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:33:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: One more thing about Professional Widow Hi guys. Just wanted to share something that has always struck me. I don't know how familiar you are with mythology and traditions of ancient Egypt, but there's one that really smacked me in the face as I listened to PW and remembered Tori's mentioning several times that BfP was somewhat related to the 14 pieces of Osiris that Isis had to search for and put back together... In ancient Egypt, there was a special job only held by women, that of the djeryt, women who took on the role of Isis and her sister Nephthys (both closely associated with death and both very good at mourning after their experience with Osiris) at the funerals of (usually) well-to-do men. Also, even more interesting, there would often be group of *hired* female mourners... "professional widows," if you will. Do you think Tori had any of this in mind, or that any of this has anything to do with the song? I always felt that it did, particularly because of Tori's reference to Isis and Osiris... Any ideas? Questions? Am I totally off my rocker here? Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #326 *************************************