From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #325 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, November 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: take to the sky [Richard Holmes ] Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency [Ken Tough ] Tori covers [Brian the Lion ] "Lovesong" [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: Tori covers [Nadyne Mielke ] Tori Amos on JYRKI ["Kaj-Michael Lang" ] A case of blue expectations ["Doron Vidavski" ] Under the Covers 1, 2, & 3 [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: A case of blue expectations [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Songbird [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency [Jennifer Gerbi ] FW: wedding ["Ellis, Melanie S" ] Re: take to the sky [JEDAS1@aol.com] Re: take to the sky [JEDAS1@aol.com] Re: take to the sky [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: take to the sky [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: take to the sky [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: take to the sky [Lady Eorann ] Help Pleae - and some general comments ["Philip Parr" ] open mindness = mental elite? [Laura ] Tori love [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Tori love [Elizabeth Lauren Perry ] Re: Tori love ["Ray Bailey" ] Re: Tori love [Nadyne Mielke ] catching up [Lanna Chidester ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: take to the sky Yvette (Lady Eorann ) writes: > > > > Your mom listens to Tori?!?! How cool! :) > > Yes, she does now. I have successfully introduced her to Tori, I'm pleased > to announce! I have yet to lend her BfP, though. My mom is very > open-minded, but my goal is to let her "grow in Tori" so to speak, let her > go at her own pace, listen to each album, get to know each one, make > friends with the songs, before having her move on to the next. Right now > she's on UtP... so far so good. :) This is cooler than I ever imagined! > Anyone else tried to introduce a loved on to Tori? Great! Well, when I was a teenager, my *grandmother* took me and my friends 100 miles to see Pink Floyd once, and King Crimson another time! (That was about 20 years ago, folks!, and at the time both these groups were considered too weird by young people into "rock"). Now I've turned my 4- and 8- year old sons on to Tori, and of course they love her (even though they don't "get" some of the lyrics; they laughed at "home on the range" when she says "who discovered your ass" 'till I told 'em about the slaughter and forced marches of the native americans... then they kinda "got" it. The 4-year-old's favorite song is "happy workers", and everyone likes "God". My wife's parents came by, and we were listening to classical piano, and the four-year-old comes up to them and says "I know who this is - it's Tori Amos!" (well, he thinks every piano player is tori now...). - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "Muhammad my friend / its time to tell the world / @ | we both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem / @ , , | , , and on that fateful day / when she was crucified / @ ' ' ' ' ' she wore Shiseido Red and we drank tea / by her side." @ - Tori Amos, "Muhammad My Friend" @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:48:35 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency ChinaDust@aol.com wrote: [tori said] > "If you're a lamebrain, then you're a lamebrain (laughs). I can't help >that. I'll tell you something that I'm very aware of: my work doesn't >relate to the masses. My work is really for the elite. And when I say >elite, I mean the mental elite. (She pauses a moment to consider.) I'm >sorry, I wish it weren't true. But if you don't think, and you have no >wit, and you have so many hangups that you can't look beyond your cup of >coffee, then you're never going to understand what I'm really saying. >Because you know what? You're going to shut down and close off before >you hear me. If I'm threatening you, you're going to see it the way you >need to see it so you can dismiss me." >Anyway, to the point: do you think that Tori DIDN'T have this cultural/racial >majority thing in mind when she said the thing about "mental elite"? There is absolutely nothing in Tori's quote about race. I can't imagine why you'd think the "mental elite" should be confined in racial boundaries. Cultural, maybe, but that's in the musical/challenging/"open minded"/newish-age culture sense. Tori's into such a melange of philosophy and interests that the people her music appeals to, do sort of fit into a specific "culture". It isn't one of the traditional age-old cultures, but a tribal/oral culture born out of things like the internet, where thoughts and ideas and all her spiritual ingredients can mix easily. Maybe you should have a thought as to why you have interpreted her words the way you did. - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:40:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: Tori covers Sorry, but to change the current topic; Someone recently suggested "Lovesong" in the Tori song debate, and it occured to me that this might just be The Cure's lovesong. Is this a loony idea, or a moment of clarity? I know she'd covered the Police's Wrapped Around Your Finger, and can almost picture her playing it in my head (come join me folks), but i have no idea where to get hold of this or any other covers. Is there any chance of someone a little more clued-up helping me? Please?? "I've got a cat named Easter, he says "Will you ever learn?"; "You're just an empty cage, girl, if you kill the bird"". - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: "Lovesong" In a message dated 97-11-17 07:22:33 EST, bos197@soton.ac.uk writes: << Someone recently suggested "Lovesong" in the Tori song debate, and it occured to me that this might just be The Cure's lovesong. Is this a loony idea, or a moment of clarity? I know she'd covered the Police's Wrapped Around Your Finger, and can almost picture her playing it in my head (come join me folks), but i have no idea where to get hold of this or any other covers. >> Yes, Tori has covered "Lovesong" by the Cure MANY times in concert, and even on a radio show she played it in 1994, i believe. If you want a recording of this song, i have about 10 different performances of it she's done. On the Dew Drop Inn Tour in 1996, she performed the song on th harpsichord. Of course, before then she did it on piano. Also, i just thought i'd note that on the DDI Tour, in every version of "Lovesong" i have Tori singing, she would throw in a line from Kate Bush's song, "Running Up That Hill." I believe this has been discussed on the list before, but that wouldn't stop many from having no clue what i'm talking about, hehe. The lines she'd sing are "If i only could," repeated a few times. And sometimes she'd even sing more of the chorus from the Kate Bush song: "If I only could, I'd make a deal with God, and i'd get him to swap places." But the only recording i have of her singing that whole part is the Miami show Oct. 23, 1996. At any rate, it's an amazingly Tori-ized version of the Cure's "Lovesong" that she sings. - -j'ason http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/Toriphoria.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency In a message dated 97-11-17 06:24:47 EST, ken@objectech.co.uk writes: << ChinaDust@aol.com wrote: [tori said] > "If you're a lamebrain, then you're a lamebrain (laughs). I can't help >that. I'll tell you something that I'm very aware of: my work doesn't >relate to the masses. My work is really for the elite. And when I say >elite, I mean the mental elite. (She pauses a moment to consider.) I'm >sorry, I wish it weren't true. But if you don't think, and you have no >wit, and you have so many hangups that you can't look beyond your cup of >coffee, then you're never going to understand what I'm really saying. >Because you know what? You're going to shut down and close off before >you hear me. If I'm threatening you, you're going to see it the way you >need to see it so you can dismiss me." >Anyway, to the point: do you think that Tori DIDN'T have this cultural/racial >majority thing in mind when she said the thing about "mental elite"? There is absolutely nothing in Tori's quote about race. I can't imagine why you'd think the "mental elite" should be confined in racial boundaries. >> Wait a minute...; the "mental elite" ?? Does this mean Tori's music is for the Japanese? :\ - -j'ason (lol) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:46:29 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori covers On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Brian the Lion wrote: > Someone recently suggested "Lovesong" in the Tori song > debate, and it occured to me that this might just be The > Cure's lovesong. Is this a loony idea, or a moment of > clarity? I know she'd covered the Police's Wrapped Around > Your Finger, and can almost picture her playing it in my head > (come join me folks), but i have no idea where to get hold of > this or any other covers. Yup. Tori has covered the Cure's Lovesong several times, and that's the cover folks have been referring to. Her cover is available on several bootlegs {none of which I can remember offhand 8) }. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:08:50 +0200 From: "Kaj-Michael Lang" Subject: Tori Amos on JYRKI I don't know if there are any Finnish people on the list but I think the following information will be VERY Cool for them: Tori is featured on Jyrki, a finnish music program on 18.11. TIISTAI 18.11 (15.30) Liven=E4 Saara Soisalo. Haastattelussa Susanna Hoff= s. Janina & Janinan uusi ura. Vieraana Kata K=E4rkk=E4inen. Haastattelussa T= ori Amos. Turhat i-uutiset. Juontaa; Vera O. Videot; mm. P.J Harvey, Sheryl C= row ja Madonna. /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Kaj-Michael Lang | WWW: http://onion.sip.fi/~milang | | Kaskentie 5 C9 | E-Mail: milang@onion.sip.fi | | 20720 Turku | milang@sip.fi | | FINLAND | milang@infa.abo.fi | |-------------------------| klang@abo.fi | | GSM: +358-(0)40-5271058 | FTP: ftp://tori.sip.fi | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | CS@=C5A DBMS&CGI&PHP&HelpDesk&PTRoot&Coding@SIP Ltd | |->The Force of Tori Amos:http://onion.sip.fi/~milang/torilink.html<-| \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:59:01 BST From: "Doron Vidavski" Subject: A case of blue expectations Tidings of comfort and joy to you all. First, does anyone have a clue as to when the "Great Expectations" soundtrack is to be released over here in Britain? Second, is "A case of you" the only Joni Mitchell cover that Tori's done from Joni's "Blue" album? Because hearsay evidence points out to the fact that T covered the title track as well. Anyone with any knowledge to that effect? Ta muchly. doron, manchester. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Under the Covers 1, 2, & 3 Hello, Ears with Feet... i have compiled a 3 cassette set of Tori doing covers of other songs. It's called Under the Covers - Volumes 1, 2, and 3. If anyone would like to acquire copies of these, please email me and we can work something out. I'm not interested in money or in gaining a lot by sharing these Tori rarities, I just want to share this amazing music with all Toriphiles. :) Many of the recordings have much better sound quality than the original Under the Covers tapes, and ALL of the songs are covers. Anyway, here are the songs on the tapes: Imagine * Live to Tell * Heart & Soul * Both Sides Now * Daniel * Candle In the Wind * Tiny Dancer * Old Man * Purple Rain * Killing Me Softly * Hyper-ballad * It's a Happy Day * Strange Fruit * Evergreen * If * You Needed Me * You Light Up My Life * We've Only Just Begun * A Case of You * Bad Company * Running Up That Hill * When Sunny Gets Blue * This Old Man * With a Little Help from My Friends * Hurt * Something I Can Never Have (the music) * Rock On * A Mighty Fortress is Our God * Amazing Grace * I'm On Fire * Let It Be * Onward Christian Soldiers * I Will Always Love You * Kumbaya * You Make Me Feel Brand New * Lovesong * Angie * Losing My Religion * Down By the Seaside (duet) * Wrapped Around Your Finger * Over the Rainbow * Home On the Range * If 6 Was 9 * Whole Lotta Love * Thank You * For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her * She's Leaving Home * On a Saturday Afternoon 1963 * The Boys In the Trees * Danny Boy * Thunder Road * American Pie * Smells Like Teen Spirit * Famous Blue Raincoat * Sentimental Journey * Little Drummer Boy * Summertime * Landslide * Sweet Home Alabama * Ain't No Sunshine * Ring My Bell * Assholes Are Cheap Today *Whoomp There It Is * Imagine (duet) * Purple Rain (on harmonium) * and a few others i'm adding soon.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: A case of blue expectations Tori did a song on a radio show called "Blue," but it was a song Tori herself wrote, I belive. I know it's not the Joni Mitchell song, though, because I do have Joni's "Blue" and Tori's "Blue" (if that's even the real name of the song)... Sarah McLachlan did, however, do a cover of Joni's "Blue" and it appears as a B-side on her "Good Enough" single. - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:32:28 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Songbird Anyone have either of the two shows in TN from the DDI tour where Tori covered the Fleetwood Mac song "Songbird"? I have -lots- to trade! /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:42:53 -0600 (CST) From: Jennifer Gerbi Subject: Re: tori's music and caucasian tendency someone said.. > >Anyway, to the point: do you think that Tori DIDN'T have this > cultural/racial > >majority thing in mind when she said the thing about "mental elite"? > > There is absolutely nothing in Tori's quote about race. > I can't imagine why you'd think the "mental elite" should be > confined in racial boundaries. >> With this whole debate, which I see as coming out of nowhere and making NO sense, does anyone remember that she covered "strange fruit", which is a rather graphic and important anti-lynching song. I hardly think tori thinks of race in terms of ANYthing. Please. -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:00:44 -0600 From: David Prestidge Subject: The Happiness of Depression? Yvette.M.Perez wrote: And just for the record, I think Tori's most uplifting song is Little Earthquakes. It always reminds me that all these problems that rip me apart are nothing in the grand scheme of things, that after these little earthquakes pass, there may be a little cleaning up to do, but all will be okay. Yvette' comments bring to mind two quotes, one sung by Tori and another taken from the mouth of a character author Walker Percy imagines in his finest novel, "The Second Coming." In "Upside Down," Tori muses (moments after responding to the rather glib pronouncement that "The world is getting rid of her demons" by saying "Honey, what have you been smoking?") with a paradoxical but (strangely) lucid comment: "I'm okay when everything is not okay." Percy's last gentleman, yet another often depressed but resilient youth, echos Tori sentiments when he says, "We are well when we are afflicted and afflicted when we are well." I'm not sure if this adds to the discussion at all, but I do think we often find ourselves consoled, even enriched, by our moments of melancholy, fleeting though they be. To use a tired word, such moments are (or can be) "self-affirmative." Yet suffering does leave scars and no one, not even Tori, gets through an earthquake, little or big, totally unscathed. However, I find Ms. Amos' music so compelling because she goes one step further than mere cleanup. She demonstrates that the artist ( and we are all artists) can put Humpty back together again; make even more beautiful something that what was, just a moment before, in ruins. If we are to account for the miraculous (and it is nothing short of that) metamorphous of Tori's image and lyrical grace--from glam-rock motorcycle queen (Y Can't Tori Read) to professional widow-we would do well to start, say, at the bottom of Trent Reznor's spiral and work our way out from there. That is, I see that pattern, the agony of climbing out of despair, emergent in all three of Tori's albums. Viewed in this light, her work, taken as a whole, is not about depression (or depressing) at all. Rather, it's (again, strangely) remarkably assuring. My thoughts. David Prestidge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:40:54 -0600 From: "Ellis, Melanie S" Subject: FW: wedding > ---------- > From: Ellis, Melanie S > Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 1:39 PM > To: 'preciou-things@smoe.org' > Subject: wedding > > WOW! Thanks, guys, for all the suggestions for wedding music!!!! I > think that so far song for Eric sounds the best--and my soloist could > sing it ( she said shes a torch singer in a parallel life so she can > belt out pretty much anything from what I can tell). Also, I think > that I will have my pianist play the whole damn bee sides song book > instrumental-like during brunch (its a morning wedding)--I dont have > the song book yet, so im s\not sure whats on it..but thats OK. > > I really liked the Winter idea...except that im not having a > dance...and I dont have a father to dance to it with...but its still > cool. :) > > And I wanted to do London Girls at the *reception*...laugh though you > may! Actually I wanted the sandwich song most cuz my hubby to be likes > it so much (remember I have a torch singer here!) > > BUT I probably should have my soloist sing daisy DP at the reception > just cuz thats my radio air name (so many people never knew where it > came from!) > > But really thanks so much! You guys are so damn cool! > > Daisy melanie > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: Re: take to the sky In a message dated 11/17/97 6:17:22 AM, WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: <> I thought she wrote "Me and a Gun" after seeing Thelma and Louise. From that song she began Little Earthquakes LP, right???? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: Re: take to the sky In a message dated 11/17/97 4:18:15 PM, WeirdyBoi wrote: <> But on her Little Earthquakes video, she says that (me and a gun) was the first song she wrote. julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: take to the sky In a message dated 97-11-17 15:34:32 EST, JEDAS1 writes: << <> I thought she wrote "Me and a Gun" after seeing Thelma and Louise. From that song she began Little Earthquakes LP, right???? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong. Julie >> Yes, you're wrong. but that's ok :) - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: take to the sky In a message dated 97-11-17 16:30:18 EST, JEDAS1 writes: << But on her Little Earthquakes video, she says that (me and a gun) was the first song she wrote. julie >> I read that she wrote ME and a Gun 2 hours after seeing Thelma and Louise and performed it that night at a gig where she sang other songs that appeared on Little Earthquakes. This would indicate that Me and a Gun was not the first song written for the record. And if you wanna know something weird..... China was written in 1987, so i guess THAT was the first LE song written. - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: take to the sky On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 JEDAS1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/17/97 6:17:22 AM, WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > < for > her Little Earthquakes LP. The song was originally titled "Russia.">> > I thought she wrote "Me and a Gun" after seeing Thelma and Louise. From that > song she began Little Earthquakes LP, right???? Hmm...maybe I'm wrong. Julie Lessee what the biography _All These Years_ has to say: In the fall of 1989, Atlantic decided, according to Tori "to roll the dice one more time with me" and gave her until March of 1990 to put together a new albumful of songs. ... After yet another dark period of painful self-examination, Tori decided to appeal to the muses that had provided her with so much inspiration and companionship back in the days before she knew what a record deal was. She proceeded to create a "faerie ring -- like the old Celtic ring" on her living room floor. "I brought in sticks and things from the outside, from nature and put the things that I was most connected with inside the ring. Whenever anyone came in, they had to step over my magic ring . . . my friends came by and looked. They didn't say much to me. They all knew I was doing my faerie shit." Adding a set of empty envelopes to the ring, Tori sat inside the ring and began to write again, vowing to give each envelope a song title. "One of the first envelopes to get a name was 'Take to the Sky'". And, while I'm here, here's what the same book has to say about MaaG: That summer, Tori went alone to see a new film entitled _Thelma and Louise_. During the scene where Geena Davis's character is being raped, the horrifying experience Tori had gone through six years before in Los Angeles burst from her subconscious to the forefront of her mind. Seated outside the Mean Fiddler in North London later that afternoon just a few hours before her gig, she wrote "Me and a Gun" and sand the cathartic song a capella for the first time that same night. So MaaG was written after TttS, but the book is unclear whether TttS was actually the first YKTR song. {Maybe TttS was the first song that was - -released- {not the first one -written-} that came out of that faerie ring? I dunno.} FWIW, I can't find anything that mentions that the original title of TttS was "Russia". Do you have a source on that, WeirdiBoi? Does anyone have any articles that say that TttS is the first post-YKTR song {or that anything else is}? /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: take to the sky On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > I read that she wrote ME and a Gun 2 hours after seeing Thelma and Louise and > performed it that night at a gig where she sang other songs that appeared on > Little Earthquakes. This would indicate that Me and a Gun was not the first > song written for the record. For the record... Thelma and Louise was released in mid-1991. Just so we all have a reasonable idea of when MAAG was written... :) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:28:37 PST From: "Philip Parr" Subject: Help Pleae - and some general comments Help. I've a friend new to the net who'd like to join this list. But I don't remember the process to subscribing (digest style). Can you fill me in and help me to get her going? General comments: My dad likes Tori. He's 63 (I'm 33). It was the Litle Earthquakes video that got his interest, and he was impressed by her piano playing and quality of her subject matter (and he speaks in Methodist churches to boot). He does not follow her, but enjoys her when my sister or I bring her over. About one members interest in Tori waning. I too find myself not enjoying (being touched by?) Tori's later stuff as much as I used too. Not because of the newer music (though she has deffinately gone through several styles in her own way), but also perhaps because of what my life is like. I wasn't depressed or sad before, just in a more serious space in my life. I still follow her and am exited by each tidbit of news because I enjoy wathching her change, grow, explore new musical/spiritual arenas. Though I lurk more often or not, this list too brings me joy and a sense of community and I wish you all well. Phil Parr Lansing, Michigan kinkoid@hotmail.com Is it illegal to yell "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:24:47 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: ADMIN: Subscribing, unsubscribing and other stuff How to subscribe to precious-things: Address your email to majordomo@smoe.org, with no subject and a body of: subscribe precious-things (for the loose version) OR subscribe precious-things-digest (for the digest version) How to unsubscribe from precious-things: Address your email to majordomo@smoe.org, with no subject and a body of: unsubscribe precious-things (for the loose version) OR unsubscribe precious-things-digest (for the digest version) Other stuff: Please note that if your address starts bouncing mail back to us we will probably unsubscribe you from the list, though how long it is before we do so varies based on list traffic, our tolerance level and how busy we are. Please do *NOT* send messages to owner-precious-things@smoe.org that are intended for the list! The correct address for posting to the list is simply precious-things@smoe.org. The owner address is just for problems that you'd like the list administrators' help in dealing with. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:51:54 -0600 From: "Mr.Zebra" Subject: Stung by the Bees: The Bee-Sides This is a tape that I put together and I can trade some stuff for it if you are interested in doing so. Here are the listings. ~**~Stung by the Bees~**~: Honey Honey Sugar Merry widow{pro widow} Daisy dead petals Sister Janet Thats what I like mick Toodles Mr.Jim This old man Frog on my toe London girls Armand Van heldens Star Funk Trunkin mix of pro widow Bt mix of Talula Club mix of VooDoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:05:52 -0300 From: Laura Subject: open mindness = mental elite? [tori said] > "If you're a lamebrain, then you're a lamebrain (laughs). I can't help >that. I'll tell you something that I'm very aware of: my work doesn't >relate to the masses. My work is really for the elite. And when I say >elite, I mean the mental elite. (She pauses a moment to consider.) I'm >sorry, I wish it weren't true. But if you don't think, and you have no >wit, and you have so many hangups that you can't look beyond your cup of >coffee, then you're never going to understand what I'm really saying. >Because you know what? You're going to shut down and close off before >you hear me. If I'm threatening you, you're going to see it the way you >need to see it so you can dismiss me." Hi, I don't seem to find any racial thing in what Tori said. Altough the first time I read it I found it to be a bit presumptuous(sp?) :) . But hey english is not my native tongue (like you didn't know after my spanish post from a few days ago ;) ) so after reading it again this is what I understand: not everyone will get what she says, just *some* people will get what she's saying, and those are the ones that are open minded and ready to be shown things and are willing to go under the pink and explore/learn.... Now I think it wasn't a presumptuous comment but she just told the truth. don't you think you fit in that category she's referring to? besos laura ps. Richard Holmes, your son's post was great :-D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:38:04 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Tori love Ok, i just wanted to say something.. There's been talk about "who's the bigger Toriphile" and who REALLY loves Tori and understands her music, etc. Well, i think it's all gone a little too far. There should be complete love amongst all Ears with Feet. Would Tori want us arguing about who loves her more? Do we have to compete in building altars of gold to her? No, we don't. W e all share a common interest, obsession, savior, goddess, whatever you wanna call her, so we should all get along and support one another. There have been a few incidences of particular Evil and ill-will created by Evil, twisted Toriphiles towards others. Here is an example of the tension between Ears with Feet: Jen63083@aol.com subscribes to a small AOL Tori mailing list (run by Toriphiles) and she said she couldn't find a copy of Y Kant Tori Read. So this Toriphile, David (ToriAmos99@aol.com) sent her this interesting message... (WARNING for minors: there is a BAD word in the following message!!!) Forwarded Message: Subj: Re: hi tori fans Date: 97-11-16 22:26:26 EST From: ToriAmos99 To: Jen63083 Well have you ever tried searching the internet you can find any tori album and bootleg ever created and if you havent lookked there you havent looked everywhere and are pretty damn fuckin stupid. And I don't think you actually feel the love for Tori within you. You are a discrace to tori fans everywhere. Sellin his baby, David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's this guy thinking??? Please destroy him or something, why do we have people like this in the world? - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: Elizabeth Lauren Perry Subject: Tori love >What's this guy thinking??? Please destroy him or something, why do we have >people like this in the world? >-j'ason J'ason, I would have to agree with you. That kind of harshness would not *help* any Toriphile out there...it will just hurt them and maybe even turn them off to Tori. Haven't we all heard the expression...the only stupid question is the one not asked? I've heard it lots of times. The only way you can learn and appreciate Tori more is by aking questions. I think that's all there is to it. Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:20:51 PST From: "Ray Bailey" Subject: Re: Tori love >Forwarded Message: >Subj: Re: hi tori fans >Date: 97-11-16 22:26:26 EST >From: ToriAmos99 >To: Jen63083 >Well have you ever tried searching the internet you can find any tori album >and bootleg ever created and if you havent lookked there you havent looked >everywhere and are pretty damn fuckin stupid. And I don't think you actually >feel the love for Tori within you. You are a discrace to tori fans >everywhere. >Sellin his baby, >David Sorry, I don't usually say much, but what a wacko. Can't someone find a real life any more these days? Searching for "somebody else to understand", Ray ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:26:37 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori love On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > Ok, i just wanted to say something.. There's been talk about "who's the > bigger Toriphile" and who REALLY loves Tori and understands her music, etc. I haven't seen this sort of talk here. There's been a discussion going on over at RDT(RN), but thankfully it hasn't leaked over here. I personally find that kind of discussion to be rather asinine. "No! I'm a better Torifan!" > Well, i think it's all gone a little too far. There should be complete love > amongst all Ears with Feet. No, there shouldn't be complete love. There are other fans of Tori's music that I don't like. I shouldn't be forced to love them just because we have a common liking of her music. :P [snip snip snip] [snipped the private email] > What's this guy thinking??? Please destroy him or something, why do wehave > people like this in the world? While I don't like the message that you posted, please be aware that it's considered to be a serious breach of netiquette to post a full private email to a mailing-list. If you have a problem with the original sender, take it up with him yourself -- don't ask the rest of Torifandom to do so for you. For all we know, you could be forging that message in an attempt to get this guy's mailbox flooded with angry mail from Torifans [1]. I do wish your friend had come across a nicer Toriphile, though. I know that I'll certainly copy YKTR for anyone who asks nicely. I can't imagine insulting anyone 'cause they didn't know as much {or how to get ahold of boots or whatever} as they do. *boggle* /nad [1] I'm not saying you are! But I am saying that folks have done just that sort of thing so that someone would mail-bomb someone they didn't like. I'm not even attempting to imply that this is what you're doing! I'm saying that I've seen that kind of behavior before. *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: Lanna Chidester Subject: catching up hello all!! I have just caught myself up on a week's worth of mail, and something occured to me... doubt it is right but hey what the hell... does anyone else think that maybe Mr.Zebra links back to Professional Widow?? I havent analyzed the entire song or anything but maybe Mrs. Crocodile is the Lady MacBeth/Courtney Love character in Professional Widow.. my puny amount of evidence: the last line of Zebra- "Too bad the burial was premature" she said and smiled.. am i just too wired due to lack of sleep?? just my thoughts... ttyl lanna/gemenai Gemenai's Little Pad on the Web: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gemenai "Her blood's on my hands... kind of a shame 'cause I did like that dress..."- Tori Amos "Beefcake!!!!"- Eric Cartman of South Park :) __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #325 *************************************