From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #324 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Happiness of Depression? [Lady Eorann ] Concerning Prof. Widow [LEQ@aol.com] Re: The Happiness of Depression? [lellis@umr.edu] Re: Already playing one woman [Jennifer Gerbi ] Covered II [Laura ] Wedding Song [rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.)] Re: Re: wedding [JEDAS1@aol.com] "happy" tori music [Tori805@aol.com] Re: "happy" tori music [pigs@swva.net (Martin)] Re: Re: wedding [Kenneth Peterson ] Re: Covered II [Ashley Blaize ] take to the sky [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] INFO on Covered II [Ashley Blaize ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: The Happiness of Depression? On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Marcel F G Rijs wrote: > Hi, Hello. :) > She seems to be quite gloomy, she's been so on > all three albums and it seems like she's always depressed. I wouldn't say depressed exactly, just more serious-minded than most. > Now it may seem that I am putting her down, but that's not true. I still > love her music, but I have to admit that I was more of a fan back in 1992 > when I was pretty depressed myself. Since mid last year, I've felt a lot > better towards and with myself and it was then that my interest in Tori > declined. Well, I'm very glad to hear that you're feeling better, even if it has diminished your interest in Tori (I think even Tori would agree!). However, I wonder if one thing really had that much to do with the other. I have suffered with severe bouts of depression for most of my life, and Tori is one of the things that makes me feel the best, believe it or not. I guess it's just a personal thing. *shrug* I am asking the following because I don't know myself, but is it > possible to enjoy Tori when you're not in the mood for "heavy" stuff? Even I have had times when Tori was too heavy (strangely it wasn't when I was exactly happy) or even, believe it or not, too light-hearted (I always seem to be listening to Sweet Dreams when I feel like killing myself!). Now, I think it's all in how you approach it. I find that I can disconnect from the lyrics and just listen to the music sometimes, and when I really don't want to think about the "heaviness" of the lyrics, I just don't. Maybe for some people it's not that easy, but... And > what positive, uplifting song has she recorded? (Yeah, I know, catharsis > can be positive and uplifting, but I'm not going for that kind of positive > at the moment.) Hmmm... "positive, uplifting song"? Again, I think it depends on how you look at it. (That's one of the beauties of Tori's music--it can mean many things to many people!) Take to the Sky is rather uplifting (at least for me it is!). I think songs like Happy Phantom, Cornflake Girl, Samurai, London Girls, Voodoo, and the silly songs, just to name a few, are a lot of fun, even if some of them are "heavy" lyric-wise. Thing about Tori's music is, it makes you think. If that's not what you want to do, maybe you need to listen to the Spice Girls for a little while, and then come back to Tori when you're in the mood for thinking and for "heavy" stuff. I don't mean that rudely, I'm serious, sometimes we all need some no-brainer music, you know? :) I do it too! :) Just to give ourselves a rest, lighten up. It's like, sometimes you need to read the funny pages before digging into the rest of the newspaper. Refresh your head. :) And just for the record, I think Tori's most uplifting song is Little Earthquakes. It always reminds me that all these problems that rip me apart are nothing in the grand scheme of things, that after these little earthquakes pass, there may be a little cleaning up to do, but all will be okay. But that's just me! :) Just my 2 cents! :) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: Professional Widow interp--LONG On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 RAINN18@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-11-14 05:11:15 EST, you write: > > << Also, it was funny to see that tori was sorta echoing Sarah's > comment back to her, about the "we are playing one woman on the radio > right now and so we can't play you". I wonder who came up with it first. > It is interesting that sarah particulary targets Tori in that quote, but > Tori doesn't target anyone. >> > > I found this strange also. I remember hearing Sarah McLachlan say that about > Tori, so when I saw Tori say it I was slightly confused. Anyone out there > that can clear this up? I wonder if Sarah was exactly "targetting" Tori? I get the funny feeling she just picked an arbitrary name from the list of female musicians that came out around the same time. However, I don't know about you guys, but around here, Sarah couldn't possibly have been pushed out of the way for Tori. Tori's never played on the radio here, but Sarah is, so... Hmmm... Besides, Sarah has been around longer than Tori too, so when Sarah *first* came on the scene, she *couldn't* have had competition from Tori at all! (Her first album was in 1988--my BF has it, it's not that great, IMHO, and *that's* why it maybe didn't get the airplay she wanted!) BUt she can't complain now! The local stations play her *all* the time--if I didn't like her so much, I'd be sick of her voice! :) Any other ideas? Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:55:43 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: take to the sky On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Natasha Wong wrote: [snip the stuff about my mom having my Winter single] > > Your mom listens to Tori?!?! How cool! :) Yes, she does now. I have successfully introduced her to Tori, I'm pleased to announce! I have yet to lend her BfP, though. My mom is very open-minded, but my goal is to let her "grow in Tori" so to speak, let her go at her own pace, listen to each album, get to know each one, make friends with the songs, before having her move on to the next. Right now she's on UtP... so far so good. :) This is cooler than I ever imagined! Anyone else tried to introduce a loved on to Tori? And byt he way, thanks to all of you who posted the overlapped lyrics! I knew I knew them, but like I said, mom has my Winter single so I couldn't verify! Thanks! :) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:31:46 -0500 (EST) From: LEQ@aol.com Subject: Concerning Prof. Widow I usually don't post anything but couldn't resist on this In the Summer issue of the Really Depp Thoughts fanzine #10 there's an interview with Tori and she comments about the songs on BFP like crazy. Rather than give my interpretation, I can just quote Tori herself (since she did write it) Ha! Tori: "...and i began changing these programs within my being as each song would come, so that when something like the widow came, the black widow in my being come, and i had to look at the side of me that was Lady Macbeth... Because when you're willing to feed and go that far, you know, you go into the victim mode, then you go into the attacker mode. I mean, you..Well, I did. I took on these different roles." Interviewer: Don't laugh, but do you know who i thought of when i was listening to "Professional Widow" with the lyric sheet? Courtney Love. Tori: "A couple of journalists have said that to me." Interviewer: The thing is I didn't think it was specifically about C. Love...." Tori: "Well, you know, there are many levels to this work. PW is the Lady Macbeth archetype. There are many ways to play Lady Macbeth. It can be done in a Jackie O suit. Believe me, I..I like to think that i was clever about it. I don't think I really was. But i'd like to think that i disguised it. There was nothing in my being at the time that could see that fragment had so many wonderful qualities. And the reason she was so far out on the periphery of my shall we say, my bloodline, in my being, was because i had judged her so harshly. i didn't claim the fact that i wanted to be the king myself. (After awhile she says): "But the widow was just so much freedom for me. I had to go through her first and see how, i mean, for her to be willing to convince him to kill himself, and promising Mother Mary the supply of smack. you have to love her for that [laughs]. In the end i saw her baking those wonderful gingerbread. Yet at the same time, some of the ingredients that she put in it are just...you could just watch her and, yes, brown sugar was one of them. You know, you're great, the ones that get the men to depend on them....the Lady Macbeths, they have qualitites that the men turn to them in the first place for. They're not just this bitch on wheels, one-dimensional kind of character. Which is out there. But some of these sides have ral depths to them, and i wanted to show the depth. " So, hope that helps a little! Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:34:46 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: Re: The Happiness of Depression? > > what positive, uplifting song has she recorded? (Yeah, I know, catharsis > > can be positive and uplifting, but I'm not going for that kind of positive > > at the moment.) > > Hmmm... "positive, uplifting song"? Again, I think it depends on how you > look at it. (That's one of the beauties of Tori's music--it can mean many > things to many people!) Take to the Sky is rather uplifting (at least for > me it is!). I think songs like Happy Phantom, Cornflake Girl, Samurai, > London Girls, Voodoo, and the silly songs, just to name a few, are a lot > of fun, even if some of them are "heavy" lyric-wise. speaking of uplifting, the flying dutchman is one of my favorite uplifting songs...i used to listen to that over and over and over..... :> raisin girl, b.g. http://www.umr.edu/~lellis ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` KMNR 89.7fm radio business grrrl and dj "I have my own parties. They show: 3pm-5pm wednesdays involve being barefoot with a piece university of missouri rolla of fried chicken and a margarita in *geology* each hand." -Tori Amos ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:53:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jennifer Gerbi Subject: Re: Already playing one woman > Angie (RAINN18@aol.com) said: (actually, I said): > > > I remember hearing Sarah McLachlan say that about Tori, so when I saw > > Tori say it I was slightly confused. > > Well, last year, Tori told an anecdote on the radio show Just Passin' Thru > (station WHFS in Maryland, taped February 2, first aired February 11) > about having been told "We're already playing *one* woman." I expect that > Sarah came along at the right moment to have that other "one woman" be > Tori, and I don't doubt for a moment that it happened to both of them. > Oh, I assumed it not only happened to both of them but to others as well- I just wonder if they had a conversation between them and were like, hey! we were both told we couldn't be played because of each other! or something like that. Sometimes it seems we've come so far in terms of women being equally supported in terms of music, and then crap like this keeps coming up. blah. -j ********************************************** *Jennifer E. Gerbi Grad RA Materials Science* *1-113 ESB * *University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign * *http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~gerbi * ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:57:46 -0300 From: Laura Subject: Covered II Hi there :) I'm wondering if the Tori Amos Covered II project is still going.. if it is, can anybody send me the list of songs that have already been covered for "covered II" I remember reading about the song that the EWF recorded at the Boston? Oktorifest ... Anyway, I'm not the one who's going to sing .. so there's nothing to worry about, any info will be appreciated :-) besos laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:25:28 EST From: rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.) Subject: Wedding Song I had this discussion ("If I ever got married, I'd want a Tori song in the wedding") with a friend of mine - she said "Dance with your father to Winter." I thought that was a wonderful suggestion... Marlantigone - --- "I'm a million different people from one day to the next." - The Verve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:57:09 -0500 (EST) From: JEDAS1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: wedding OK, here's a song that I love that Tori Amos did a long time ago: It's called "Walking With You," and it's the only real love song that I would choose aside from her actual cover of "Love Song." =) julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:48:21 -0500 (EST) From: Tori805@aol.com Subject: "happy" tori music Hi - I'm not EXACTLY new to the list - just switched from my work account to my home account... anyway, in reference to the question about whether there are any happy tori songs, or whether tori can be enjoyed if one is not depressed, well, I think "happy Phantom" is a rather fun song, and one I intend to have played at my wake. "Mr. Zebra" is also fun. But, that aside, Tori is very open about how music helps her express what she can't express any other way, so of course her music will be a bit "heavy." It's a way of dealing with a lot of emotional scars, and I think it's pretty universal stuff. As for being enjoyable to someone who's not depressed, I think that's up to the individual, but I know that I'm not depressed, but I still have a deep and abiding love for Tori's music, and a strong respect for her as a person. I think that the enjoyment I get from her music goes beyond the obvious emotional connection, but also the beautiful music that she creates, and the fact that in this MTV existance that we seem to be stuck in now, there is still someone out there creating music with her brain instead of her checkbook. I don't know if that helps, and as I said, it's still up to the individual opinion, but that's my take on it. Am I making any sense? - -Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:39:21 -0500 From: pigs@swva.net (Martin) Subject: Re: "happy" tori music I'd have to agree with Sue on a lot of the point she made. Happy Phantom and Mr. Zebra are always uplifting..so are Take to the Sky, the Wrong Band and Daisy Deadpetals in a way, in my opinion. A lot depends on your definition of happiness. If you want the sort of spontaneous good mood stuff, like, I don't know, "Tubthumping" (I do like that song, I'm just using it as an example), there's no real reason to listen to Tori in the first place. But in a lot of ways, when your mood matches the mood of a song, it makes you happy. Because you know that you're not alone and there's this sonic equivalent of it, and you know that you can move past whatever the problem is and MAKE something out of your feelings. Does that make sense? I guess that that's one of the things I love most about Tori's music...being able to share an experience with somebody who can create something *beautiful* out of it. Be well, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Peterson Subject: Re: Re: wedding - ---JEDAS1@aol.com wrote: > > OK, here's a song that I love that Tori Amos did a long time ago: It's called > "Walking With You," and it's the only real love song that I would choose > aside from her actual cover of "Love Song." =) julie Well it depends on what you need it for =) That would not be a good dance song, but it would be a good song to have sung by someone. Since this in my first post I will tell ya'll a little about me. My name is Ken and I am a super fan of the red-headed goddes. My friends all say that I am obsessed. I love all of her music and have only been to one of her concerts, *pout*, more info to come later....when I feel better === ****************************************** *Greetings from.....~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** *Thesbian~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** *Ken~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** ***http://members.tripod.com/~Euphemian*** ****************************************** If it takes a lot of words to say what you have in mind, give it more thought. - --Dennis Roch > __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Re: Covered II Okay, I'm lost... WHat is this Covered II thing all about??? Could someone send me some info about it please?? It would be very much appreciated! :) Mr. Ashley === "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos Tea With the Waitress - http://www.comsource.net/~nacho/Tori_Amos/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "why is it that birds fly high in the sky, proud of their ability, yet they rest in the branches of the depressing weeping willow?" - Mackenzie Arnold - ---Laura wrote: > > Hi there :) > > I'm wondering if the Tori Amos Covered II project is still going.. if it is, > can anybody send me the list of songs that have already been covered for > "covered II" I remember reading about the song that the EWF recorded at the > Boston? Oktorifest ... Anyway, I'm not the one who's going to sing .. so > there's nothing to worry about, any info will be appreciated :-) > > besos > laura > > __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: take to the sky For those who don't know, "Take to the Sky" was the first song Tori wrote for her Little Earthquakes LP. The song was originally titled "Russia." The sword she mentions in the line, "and here I stand with this sword in my hand," is the sword she held on the cover of the Y Kant Tori Read LP, so the sword is representative of that period in her life. She's saying, you can say what you don't like about me know.. but have a seat, just you wait and see... i'm gonna take to the sky. Meaning she's going to be huge, she WILL succeed, you ALL will see, the Father, the Priest, and the Doctor, you'll all see. And if you don't like me just a little... well, why do you hang around? That's the philosophy of the song. - -j'ason http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoi/ToriSongPlace.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: INFO on Covered II Tori Amos Covered 2 You can contribute to Tori Covered 2, as one of 20 performers on a 90 minute tape. The emphasis of the compilation will hopefully be on "Boys for Pele", Tori's third solo album, but tracks not featured on the first Tori Covered tape are also welcomed. Tracks of Tori Amos Covered are mentioned above. How to enter? You can contribute to this project by recording your own version of a Tori Covered song, and sending it to me on a 90 minute audio tape. When I get all the tracks needed for a compilation, you will then receive the end result free of charge. It doesn't matter how you record your cover. I leave everything up to you. Whether you want to use your own guitar, piano, violin, didgeridoo, harp, or any other instrument, and whether you want to record the track yourself, or have it done by your local school band, church choir or street musician... it's all up to you! Just make sure, that your recording is something original and nice to listen to. Another interesting fact is that Tori Covered 2 will be released, if all goes well of course, on a so-called "Enhanced CD". This means that there will be a CD-ROM part on the audio CD which you can use on your computer. But.... I can only do this with your help! So if you've got anything worthwhile for the CD-ROM part, like pictures of yourself, stories about your recording and even Quicktime or AVI movie files, please don't hesitate to contact me. This part of the project depends on you!! What more do you need to know? Maybe it's nice to know that, like Tori Amos Covered 1, the compilation will also be sent to Tori Amos herself. Also, it's pretty important to note that no profits are being made from this compilation. By keeping the distribution strictly to myself (at least for a year), rather than using 'tree systems' or multiple dubbing points across the world, I am sure that more than a fair share of Tori Amos Covered and Tori Covered Too will be made directly from the master tape, thus distributing a high quality product. I'm also looking for someone who is willing to make an illustration for the sleeve of Tori Amos Covered 2. The illustration above was created by Shulamis Rosenblatt for Tori Amos Covered 1, and now I'd like to include artwork from another talented ToriFan. Please try to be imaginative and think how you can get Tori Amos "Covered" in your picture. There's only one thing left: you need my address if you want to contribute. Also, if you have any questions that are not answered on this page, you can use my e-mail address. I GOT THIS INFO FROM http://users.bart.nl/~mfgr/toriamos.htm === "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos Tea With the Waitress - http://www.comsource.net/~nacho/Tori_Amos/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "why is it that birds fly high in the sky, proud of their ability, yet they rest in the branches of the depressing weeping willow?" - Mackenzie Arnold __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #324 *************************************