From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #320 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, November 13 1997 Volume 02 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I'm senile ["Doron Vidavski" ] Re: tori-worth [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: some thoughts on Professional Widow [Mike Richman ] Books here.... EXPENSIVE! ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] [none] [Brian the Lion ] Re: re2 wedding [Nadyne Mielke ] Fading, was: I'm senile [Nadyne Mielke ] Songs ending in fade.. ["Michael L. Whitehead" ] Hey Jupiter Video edits? ["Giovanni Mantilla" ] Re: Professional Widow interp--LONG [Graham Leonard ] Re: I'm senile [Alicia ] Crucify fade [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Where can I find...? [Alicia ] Re: Professional Widow interp [Lady Eorann ] Sugar [pigs@swva.net (Martin)] Re: Where can I find...? [Nadyne Mielke ] Sugar (was wedding) [Nadyne Mielke ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:41:34 BST From: "Doron Vidavski" Subject: I'm senile I'm sorry. Yesterday I wrote that "Crucify" is the only album track to end on a fade, and it has been drawn to my attention that it's actually the single version of the song that ends on a fade and not the album version, which just shows that I have the memory of a fish and shouldn't be paid attention to. Of course, it also proves that NONE of Tori's album tracks ends on a fade which is erm... interesting. Ta ta. doron. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: tori-worth On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Kelly M. Smith wrote: > I don't think you need to apologize.... you did something you thought > would help. it is not your fault if some people on the list think that > typing an angry message is easier to do than hitting a delete key and First of all, I didn't see a single angry message. Secondly, hitting the delete key doesn't help any. It doesn't stop this kind of thing from making the rounds. The more people that are aware that it is a hoax helps. Especially since it's as sick a hoax as this. {It was recently pointed out to me that this thing -is- a hoax. If anyone wants proof of that, email me privately and I'll forward it on to you.} Things like this should be stopped. They're not helping anyone. With as many of them as are out there {can you say "Craig Shergold"?}, if a legit one -were- to come along {and I have seen a couple of legit ones, but they were all well-defined} folks might not be willing to believe it. Hitting the delete key isn't the answer to something like this. Rumours like this have to be stopped. If you were, for example,the mayor of the town that this supposedly happened in, would you really want the entire Internet community to have heard a horrid rumour like this? Hell no. When you get a chain letter like this, you need to look at it critically. Don't just look at it with your heart, look at it with your head. That particular letter had some major flaws in it {how was that student council supposed to know how many times it'd been forwarded? there was no mechanism to return it to the council} that should've been looked into before ever forwarding it on. Do you really want to be a rumourmonger? I certainly hope not. I don't think that an apology was in order from the original sender, though. It was an honest mistake. Now that she {I think the sender was female, thwap me if I'm wrong} knows that it was a mistake, and has been given some good websites to check out to research any other things like that that might hit her mailbox {and they will, trust me}, she can make sure that (1) she doesn't do it again, and (2) can email anyone who sends her that kind of junk an explaination of why they shouldn't send it out too. Okay, okay, I'm off my soapbox now. If anyone wants to discuss this with me further can take it off-list, since it's pretty obviously non-Tori. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:35:32 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Richman Subject: Re: some thoughts on Professional Widow > Hmmm... I've been pondering some of the themes and meanings of this song. > The line: "Starfucker/just like my daddy/selling his baby" > Does anyone think this might be about Tori's father, and how he might have > "sold her out" somehow? Personally I think her father always had good > intentions... and encouraged her to play in the clubs at a young age. > Does anyone have some thoughts on this? > > Hope At first this song hit me like looking at a Picasso -- bits and pieces of abstraction. Now I love the rhythm and tempo changes, but it still seems abstract. I do have problems with the interpretation about clubs or her father forcing her to play in them (I don't believe he forced her -- not too many ministers or dads of any persuasion could even bring themselves to do that -- so he must be pretty openminded or Tori worked her magic on him :). Personally, I think that the song Winter sums up the way I see her relationship with her father, and he does have a role in her business dealings. Anyhow, back to the interpretation, if it did refer to any part of her life, how about being forced to attend Peabody and hopes her parents had of a future concert pianist? I still doubt it, but at least it would be more consistent with some of what she has to say about Peabody. As an aside, has anyone else looked at the Peabody web page -- last time I checked, they feature Tori as a famous graduate along with other classical graduates. What irony. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: wedding On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Kim wrote: > Hmm this is tricky.. 'Sugar'?? 'China'?? Neither of those strike me as good wedding songs. "Sugar" is about a guy who has been with her awhile and still doesn't know what she likes {he brings her sugar with her tea, which she doesn't like}. "China"? "Sometimes I think you want me to touch you but how can I when you build the Great Wall around you"? I can't see either of those as being appropriate for a wedding. > 'London Girls'?? hee hee j/k *snicker* /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:49:03 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Books here.... EXPENSIVE! Hi, My bother traveled yesterday to the capital (Bogota, Colombia ) and I asked him to go to tower Records and look for Tori goodies for me. Guess what?? I'm desperately wanting to buy "All These Years", but guess what?? It's $50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going nuts, I can't decide if I should tell him to buy it, or if I should wait until I travel to the US or the UK and buy it there. I saw someone said Blockbusted had them for $9.... but that's a special situation... how much is really this book????? Help... Giovanni Mantilla giofabman@hotmail.com ********************* CORNFLAKE CITY-----> My Tribute To Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html Giovanni's ARTIST CENTRAL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/personal.html ********************** "Me and Jesus a few years back, Used to hang and He said, "It's your choice, babe, just remember, I don't think you'll be back three days time, so you choose well." " ToRi AmOs, "Me And A Gun" *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:08:27 +0100 From: kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Kim/BlkSwan07) Subject: re2 wedding >:P fine then, 'scuse me.. you name a good, happy tori song.... I'd wait until >she comes out with her new album to get the good wedding songs... - --Kim "Actually I think the muppets have a pretty good grip on things." - --Ray Lesch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline Subject: Professional Widow interp--LONG On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Raven wrote: > Here's the ideas I thought this song was about... > Now if I'm totally off, or you don't agree, don't flame me for this!! > It's JUST an idea... > I think it's about the Kennedy's... It could be interpreted that way, and i'm not one to say that an interpretation is invalid, because it's what the song means to the listener. So if you think it's about the Kennedys, that's okay. But i don't think of the song that way at all. So here's my interp (keep in mind, it's only my interp, and i could be all wrong): > slag pit, stag shit (not sure) Slag is all that stuff that's left over when you're making metals. Then it's thrown into a pile. It's the same with shit. It's the food that couldn't get used by your body. They're both useless stinking stuff in a pile. They're things that don't matter. They're things nobody wants to think about. I think the that this is a metaphor for the Professional Widow herself (prof.widow being that really nasty evil mean side of your personality that you'd rather pretend doesn't exist and bury under a pile of bricks in the basement, the one who's constantly sabotaging relationships because she needs to be in charge about everything, and if she can't be in charge she'll start knocking off the men--or women--who get in her way). > honey bring it close to your lips yes (could mean a lot) Well, here my interp is based on what Tori said, about the song being about a manipulative and mean women who is trying to get her boyfriend to kill himself so she doesn't get blamed on it, and telling him "put the gun to your lips, see, just to see how it feels" > don't blow those brains yet put the gun to your head, but don't shoot yourself. yet. > we gotta be big boy we gotta be big Oh, yes, boy, you should be big. You have to be big. You have to be big and strong and you can't show any weakness. Don't let them see you weep. Don't let them see you weak. What do you mean, you feel pain? You shouldn't feel. You're a failure. That's all you are. You're a loser. You may as well do it, if you can't even keep yourself from crying. Put that gun to your lips. > starfucker, > just like my daddy > just like my daddy... > selling his baby > just like my daddy > gonna strike a deal, make him feel like a congressman > it runs in the family I think this part is.... it's hard for me to put into words exactly what i feel about this part. I just have vague feelings and things. Like, maybe the Widow feels sold by her father, for something else. Maybe it's a kind of thing where he just didn't have enough time for her, because he was always working. Or maybe with father she means something else, like, as someone else mentioned, God, and the idea of Christianity, selling out a woman's sexuality and making her either a virgin, or this whore, who is in this song. At any rate, i think it's referring to this feeling of being betrayed, and she's been betrayed, and all she knows is how that feels and how much she wants to hurt back. Now SHE'S gonna be the one doing the selling out, so -she- can be strong and in charge. I think it's important to note at this point that this song probably isn't really about -Tori- per se, but about one part of her personality, and probably not about her -father-, but that this line (at least in my mind) probably refers more to that sense of betrayal by those people who were supposed to love you, and take care of you. And of course we all know that Tori loves her father! :) Anyway, i don't want to say things like, "Tori's saying she hates her dad!" because i think her songs tend to be metaphorical anyway. And i don't want to put words in her mouth. > rest your shoulders Peaches and Cream > everywhere a Judas as far as you can see > beautiful angel calling > we got every rerun of Muhammad Ali The music here switches from the thrash harpsichord to the piano, a delicate little melody. The Widow is changing her tune, singing him a little lullaby, about what it would be like in Heaven (?) if he did kill himself. I guess he's Peaches and Cream. He can rest his shoulders, put down his heavy burden. And i guess the angel's calling him. Honestly, i don't know what Muhammad Ali has to do with it. Maybe the guy really loves boxing, and Heaven's got all the matches on tape. I don't really know what Judas is doing there either, but i'd suppose he has something to do with the betrayal suffered by both the Widow and the man she's trying to make commit suicide. > prism perfect > honey bring it close to your lips yes (same as above) Put the gun to your lips again. > what is termed a landslide > of principle proportion boy > it better be big boy, I'm not entirely sure what this is referring to either, but i'd guess it's more about how the guy's gotta have the biggest and the best and no little snowballs for him, he's gotta have the landslide, or it's just not good enough for her. > Mother Mary > China White > brown may be sweeter > she will supply > give me peace, love and a hard cock Okay, Mother Mary's up in Heaven, right, where's she's trying to tell this guy he's gonna go once he shoots himself. And she's telling him that Mary's going to make it all alright, and Mary will supply him, with all he needs. Mary will make him whole, maybe? I don't know why China White is mentioned. That's a drug reference, right? I don't know much about drugs, so someone help me out here, please. :) I don't know what the "brown may be sweeter" line is about either. Is that another drug reference? I tend to think the "peace, love, and a hard cock" line is a kind of "Fuck you" to all those people who say "believe in peace and love and it'll all be okay" (hey, isn't that a tori quote?) because peace and love are not all you need to be okay sometimes. They can sometimes help you, but if you've been completely fucked over, repeatedly, by someone you loved and by someone who was supposed to have loved you, especially if you were too young to know that that's not how people were supposed to act, then just believing in love isn't going to make everything better. The Widow seems to think that nothing will ever be better, and so she may as well act like the people who've hurt her, just to keep herself safe from anymore harm. So the hard cock part is like saying peace love and a cheeseburger or peace love and a bucket of gruel--it's not gonna do you any good. Of course, i think there's a lot more to that line, and i either don't understand it, or else i'm not putting it correctly, or i don't understand--a more likely answer. So basically, my interpretation of the song is that it's about a really mean woman who's trying to get her boyfriend to kill himself because she's mad at him, and she's telling him that Heaven would be better than here, and he'll go to Heaven. Or, even more generally, that women can be bastards too, and it's not just men who are playing games and hurting people. That's what i think. Anyone agree? Disagree? Want to throw me out the window for such a long post? -=-laurie _____________________________________________ been thinking to myself "and if a life's not long what matter does it make if there be favorite songs in my head when we go down to the well?" -=-pixies!!! ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Re: I'm senile YOu know.... I do find that very intersting. I wonder why she does not end on a fade. I guess maybe that's to give us more of a sense of realism. When performing, you can't just end on a fade. It's impossible, almost anyways..... When playing the piano, you can let the notes sutain and fade themselves, but the vocal fade along with accompaniment (sp?) is virtually impossible outside of the studio. Thank you for pointing that out to me now. That is a very nifty lil' fact. Ashley === "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos Tea With the Waitress - http://www.comsource.net/~nacho/Tori_Amos/ - ---Doron Vidavski wrote: > > I'm sorry. Yesterday I wrote that "Crucify" is the only album track > to end on a fade, and it has been drawn to my attention that it's > actually the single version of the song that ends on a fade and not > the album version, which just shows that I have the memory of a fish > and shouldn't be paid attention to. Of course, it also proves that > NONE of Tori's album tracks ends on a fade which is erm... > interesting. > > Ta ta. > doron. > __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:28:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian the Lion Subject: [none] I'd say all her songs are good. But that's not the point. Nearest i can get to nice is "Happy Phantom", which in itself is about death. I figure i just shot myself in the foot. - ---------------------- Brian the Lion bos197@soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:03 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: re2 wedding On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Kim/BlkSwan07 wrote: >:P fine then, 'scuse me.. you name a good, happy tori song.... I'd wait until >she comes out with her new album to get the good wedding songs... I know! I can't honestly think of a good Tori song for that kind of occasion. Like I said, my husband and I did the same thing when we got married. We're both fans, but couldn't come up with any of her original songs that would be good. We settled for her cover of "Thank You" during the reception. We thought about her cover of the Cure's "Lovesong", but since there's no official studio version of that one, we decided against it. But there's just not much on LE that works. Winter? I can't think of anything on UtP. {My grandmother would have a heart attack if she heard Icicle!} BfP? Nothing there either. B-sides? No originals that I can think of work. That leaves us with covers, which works only if you're playing the tape/CD, not if you're having someone else play it on the piano or whatever. *shrug* It's so hard being a Tori-fan. ;) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Fading, was: I'm senile On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Ashley Blaize wrote: > YOu know.... I do find that very intersting. I > wonder why she does not end on a fade. I guess maybe > that's to give us more of a sense of realism. When > performing, you can't just end on a fade. It's > impossible, almost anyways..... When I hear a song that fades, I always think that the songwriter just couldn't come up with a good ending. ;) For example, {and I'm gonna get shot by the Beatles fans here} the way "Hey Jude" ends with that three-and-a-half hours of "yadda yadda ya"s {okay, so it's not -that- long, it's only three hours; and they don't really sing yadda yadda ya, but I've been singing it that way for so long that I don't remember what it is they are singing ;) }. The Beatles couldn't come up with a good ending, so they just did that {kinda like how "Row Row Row Your Boat" has no ending until everyone involved just gives up} until finally the sound tech was sick of listening to them babble. ;) I do think that it's interesting that Tori doesn't do that, though. Even the b-sides have a definite ending point. I like that better, it gives the song a feeling of closure. I love the ending on "Putting the Damage On", but I think this helps me put my finger on -why-. You get the idea that it's over -- not just the song is over, but the actions around it. {Is any of this making any sense?} /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:52:56 -0500 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: Songs ending in fade.. Just want to comment on the thread I have seen about Tori songs ending in a fade (or rather NOT ending with a fade!) I usually find that technique to be rather popish and not very respectful of the music. I am not sure why, perhaps I am too drugged up on medicine right now to know what I am typing! Tori is often compared to classical composers and it just seems right that her songs have definite endings. Fades seems to take away power from the song. In any case, it is obvious Tori either does not like them or simply can not fit that technique into the way she writes. A really fascinating point though...thanks for bringing it to my attention. I never noticed this before! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:09:00 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Hey Jupiter Video edits? Hi, A few nights ago, I downloaded the whole Hey Jupiter video available from a Frog Named Jethro (thanks Dominic!!! ;)), just for the sake of having it in my computer. Well, I happen to have this video on one of my VCR tapes recorded from MTV Latino, and, the night I downloaded the video I checked it and I didn't find anything weird or unusual that I didn't remember watching on my VCR tape. But today I happened to have the idea to watch the tape again and I found that some (or at least one) parts of the video are edited in a different way to the Frog Named Jethro one. For example, in the last 10 seconds, when they show the credits (in the Frog one), they show a close-up of Tori's face inside the car (the last "ohhwoo, ohhhwooo..." part), but in the one I have shows Tori sitting on the armchair. I have the 4 BfP videos on tape but the only one I've found discrepancies (?) with the Frog Named Jethro ones is Hey Jupiter. Does anybody know *anything* about this?? Giovanni Mantilla giofabman@hotmail.com ********************* CORNFLAKE CITY-----> My Tribute To Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html Giovanni's ARTIST CENTRAL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/personal.html ********************** "Me and Jesus a few years back, Used to hang and He said, "It's your choice, babe, just remember, I don't think you'll be back three days time, so you choose well." " ToRi AmOs, "Me And A Gun" *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:39:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jennifer Gerbi Subject: Re: Professional Widow interp--LONG Hello- I deleted your long post with your very insightful interpretation, and quite honestly that is how I see it, also- and I think it is totally about Courtney, and some other women. I don't care if Tori said it isn't about her. Tori said that in an interview and I think that a lot of people try to distance personal things with regards to Courtney and tori really didn't need to say in public what it was about since that would be seen as a personal attack. But how can it NOT. (white...brown may be sweeter ,->heroin) etc. I don't think tori wants to reduce that song to just one person, but courtney is in there big time. I also love the subtle hit in the rolling stone article against her, but it doesn't make up for the fact that courtney was on the cover.. where she had no right to be, imho. Also, it was funny to see that tori was sorta echoing Sarah's comment back to her, about the "we are playing one woman on the radio right now and so we can't play you". I wonder who came up with it first. It is interesting that sarah particulary targets Tori in that quote, but Tori doesn't target anyone. (not that it is bad- maybe i should say with regards to instead of target). ********************************************** *Jennifer E. Gerbi Grad RA Materials Science* *1-113 ESB * *University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign * *Office Phone: 217-244-0332 * *http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~gerbi * ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ashley Blaize Subject: Ode to the Banana King .wav I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find Ode to the Banana King in .wav format?? Thanks! Ashley === "Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos Tea With the Waitress - http://www.comsource.net/~nacho/Tori_Amos/ __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:37:48 -0500 From: Graham Leonard Subject: Re: Professional Widow interp--LONG >> Mother Mary >> China White >> brown may be sweeter >> she will supply >> give me peace, love and a hard cock > I don't know why China White is mentioned. That's a drug reference, >right? I don't know much about drugs, so someone help me out here, >please. :) I don't know what the "brown may be sweeter" line is about >either. Is that another drug reference? I believe that China White is a name for a type of heroin that is imported from Southern Asia. Another type of heroin that comes from Central and South American is called 'brown' because it's a darker color and less pure. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:14:47 GMT From: Alicia Subject: wedding For a wedding, if I had to chose one, I'd say the most appropriate one I can think of is "Beauty Queen/Horses", because it's one of my favorites from BfP, it's not so hard to sing, and I love the lyrics, they're sweet (I think, I might be interpreting them differently than you all, nobody ever talks about "horses" so I don't know (could anybody give me his/her opinion about this song, you guys always make me notice things I hadn't realized before)). Thanks, Alicia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:17:47 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Re: I'm senile Songs that end in a fade always make me feel like the singer didn't put enough effort on trying to make an interesting ending. When the song starts fading I lose interest and change it. It really makes me love Tori's endings. I've often thought that her beginnings aren't as good as her endings. Like when Talula begins, I think "I'm bored with it, I don't want to hear it again", but when it's nearly ending, I don't want it to finish. The same happens with Spacedog, Alamo, Icicle, and many others, but mainly those. I just realized I'm sounding like a telegram, so I'll try to use more commas "and's", "but's", "however's", "etc's", etc, and maybe I won't sound that way. See, it worked. I absolutely love every Tori Amos song I've heard up to now. I just saw "Precious Things" on TV, and I'm so inspired now... I don't have a favorite song, they're all perfect. Alicia Ashley wrote: >YOu know.... I do find that very intersting. I >wonder why she does not end on a fade. I guess maybe >that's to give us more of a sense of realism. When >performing, you can't just end on a fade. It's >impossible, almost anyways..... When playing the >piano, you can let the notes sutain and fade >themselves, but the vocal fade along with >accompaniment (sp?) is virtually impossible outside >of the studio. Thank you for pointing that out to me >now. That is a very nifty lil' fact. > >Ashley > >=== >"Hold on to nothing as fast as you can" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Crucify fade Yvette is correct, Crucify on the album Little Earthquakes does NOT end with a fade-out. It's the REMIX version that ends with a fade-out. - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:19:13 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Where can I find...? Could somebody tell me in which singles I can find these songs (I know they're in "some more for pele", but I don't think I'll ever come close to one again)? They are: Hey Jupiter (Dakota Version) London Girls That's What I like Mick (Sandwich Song) Samurai This Old Man Hungarian Wedding Song Toddles Mr. Jim Frog On My Toe Sister named Desire Alamo Amazing Grace/Till the chicken Butterfly Losing My Religion What happens is that I used to have this CD, but I don't have it anymore. My friend suggested me to post it here and ask for your advice, I have this sister who kind of hates me because she says I'm crazy, frustrated, well... trying to make me feel bad about myself. And she knows how much I care about my Tori stuff so she grabbed a key and scratched (it's that the way you say it?) my "some more for pele" and "little earthquakes" CD's. Thank god my "Crucify" single and my new "UtP" were at a friend's house (and that's where they'll stay), so she didn't get a chance to ruin those. Well, my friend Macarena thought you had to know. It's tori related because It makes me feel a little like "the waitress". I want to kill my sister She's only 2 years older than I If I did it slow You know how I would enjoy it Oh I believe in peace, bitch, I believe in peace Oh I believe in peace, sis, I believe in peace Now I can laugh, but yesterday I was crying and my mom had to give me a pill to calm me down (and keep me from killing this heretic). Love, Alicia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: Professional Widow interp > > >> Mother Mary > >> China White > >> brown may be sweeter > >> she will supply > >> give me peace, love and a hard cock > > > I don't know why China White is mentioned. That's a drug reference, > >right? I don't know much about drugs, so someone help me out here, > >please. :) I don't know what the "brown may be sweeter" line is about > >either. Is that another drug reference? Call me crazy, but I have never really considered this song to be about drugs. Right now I want to speak specifically of the lyrics quoted above. Mother Mary for me is the obvious--the Virgin Mary, the "mother of god" you know, the role model of all good Christian girls. She's as white as china (you know, like bone china, that they make dishes out of?), pure, you know? But brown may be sweeter, like, not being so pure is more real, more sweet, even more natural, the way unrefined sugar is brown and sweeter than refined white sugar. I think the peace love and hard cock thing is about accepting the "whore" in all of us women. Accepting the dark side that society and particularly the Christian church makes us hide from ourselves and the world... Does this make any sense at all? It's just my opinion, though. One day I will post a longer interp of the whole song, but for now, let me know what you think of this part? Thanks. Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: wedding On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Kim wrote: > > > Hmm this is tricky.. 'Sugar'?? 'China'?? > > Neither of those strike me as good wedding songs. "Sugar" is about a guy > who has been with her awhile and still doesn't know what she likes {he > brings her sugar with her tea, which she doesn't like}. Okay, this has nothing to do with the appropriateness (is that a word) of this song for a wedding, but... is that really what its about? Somehow I got the feeling that it was about a guy who was good to her for a change, a guy who gave her what no one and nothing else in the world could, who actually gave her sweetness instead of the regular old sour stuff guys do/give (I don't want to start a war of the sexes, so *please* don't flame me for that!)... was I just hearing the song all wrong? Sheesh... And does Tori not take sugar with her tea? I was listening to the live version from the Hey Jupiter single, and she's talking about a guy who knows she likes sugar but is unaware (after months and months) how much sugar she takes in her tea... It's not important. I know... But I would like to know about what I asked before, about the meaning of the song... Thanks! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:55:36 -0500 From: pigs@swva.net (Martin) Subject: Sugar Good question about Sugar. I heard the same thing on the hey Jupiter single, but she said something a little different in the Mick St. Michaels book. I don't have it with me for the exact quote, but she said something like, "It's about being with a person for a little while and you know you'll never see them again, but if you could just have 15 minutes alone with them, you know you could have this really great affair." Then I think she started talking about how relationships are like light emissions; I'm sure you've heard those quotes before. I also don't have the lyrics to Sugar here, but that's just going by a rough transcription of what she said. Be well, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Where can I find...? On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Alicia wrote: > Could somebody tell me in which singles I can find these songs (I know > they're in "some more for pele", but I don't think I'll ever come close to > one again)? They are: Well, none of the songs you've listed are all that hard to come by. in fact, you'll probably spend less for the singles than you would if you bought the boot. And the money goes to Tori when you buy the singles. > Hey Jupiter (Dakota Version) US and UK Hey Jupiter > London Girls UK ltd CaLS, German ltd CaLS, US Talula. > That's What I like Mick (Sandwich Song) UK ltd CaLS, US CaLS, German ltd CaLS > Samurai US Talula, German ltd CaLS, UK ltd CaLS > This Old Man > Hungarian Wedding Song > Toddles Mr. Jim * UK CaLS, US CaLS, Australian CaLS, German CaLS. * Toodles Mr. Jim is also on the Australian and UK CaLS cassingles. > Frog On My Toe UK Talula disc 2, US Talula. > Sister named Desire UK Talula disc 2, UK Talula cassingle > Alamo UK Talula disc 2 > Amazing Grace/Till the chicken UK Talula disc 1, Australian Talula. > Butterfly > Losing My Religion "Higher Learning" soundtrack. In other words, to pick up all the songs you're looking for, you need the US CaLS {still easily available for $4-$7}, the US Talula {also still easily available for about the same}, the US Hey Jupiter {$5-$10, and it also has some -great- live stuff on there -- Sugar, Professional Widow, Over the Rainbow}, the Higher Learning soundtrack {check out those used CD stores!}, and the two UK Talulas. The UK Talulas aren't that hard to find, I stumbled across both of them pretty recently in some cheesy mall music store. Good luck! /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:50:13 -0500 (EST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Sugar (was wedding) On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Lady Eorann wrote: [oops, I snipped the attribution, but I said: ] > > Neither of those strike me as good wedding songs. "Sugar" is about a guy > > who has been with her awhile and still doesn't know what she likes {he > > brings her sugar with her tea, which she doesn't like}. > Okay, this has nothing to do with the appropriateness (is that a word) of > this song for a wedding, but... is that really what its about? Somehow I > got the feeling that it was about a guy who was good to her for a change, > a guy who gave her what no one and nothing else in the world could, > who actually gave her sweetness instead of the regular old sour stuff guys > do/give (I don't want to start a war of the sexes, so *please* don't flame > me for that!)... was I just hearing the song all wrong? Sheesh... To make sure that I wasn't just pulling stuff out of my butt {hey, it happens ;) }, I checked out Greghewritesletters website at: http://www.webville.com/~tori and got the following snips: Tori Says At her August 23, 1994 concert in Los Angeles Tori introduced this song saying she was on a train to a meeting with one of the recording big wigs and had 6 hours to write a song. She was sitting there with her trolls and her egg salad sandwich trying to think of what to write, thinking that she couldn't write another 5-minute The Pool. She couldn't come up with anything so she gets to the office and he asks her if she wants some tea. Tori says "yes" and then the guy asks her if she wants some sugar in her tea. This made Tori made since the guy had been making her tea for months and couldn't remember whether Tori took sugar in her tea or not. At other times Tori has said this song was inspired by the late Freddy Mercury. Tori Says "So I had to get this song together in about two hours. This boy really pissed me off because I had a crush on him, right, and he'd been making tea for me for nine months. (Hang on, I'm telling a story!) And the whole thing was he would sit there and ask me - now if you're making tea for a girl, right, for nine months, don't you think guys, I mean, help me out here, your noodle - I know it can hold a lot of information, right? But don't you think you can remember how many sugars a girl takes in her tea after nine months. " {This was all taken without permission. Greg, thwap me if you need to. :) } To me, the song is about investing time with someone that you think is really wonderful and great and nifty, and then finding out that they haven't invested nearly as much as you have in the relationship. And to me, that just ain't wedding material. ;) /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #320 *************************************