From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #307 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, November 1 1997 Volume 02 : Number 307 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: another siren post (but new and refreshing in content!) [Ken Tough ] Cosmopolitan Tori Mention [Chris Semon ] .....hi...... ["Raven's Call" ] Women in Music [Anneke Ruys ] Re: Spongey's meet with Tori [Richard Handal ] Re: .....hi...... [Michael Curry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:18:10 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: another siren post (but new and refreshing in content!) aliciau@ibm.net wrote: >When I first read about this song, I immediately imagined a mermaid, because >in spanish, mermaid is "sirena" (which also means that loud signal). So my >friend told me that siren meant this signal. And I looked it up in the >dictionary too, and I saw the "sea nymph" part too (I think we have the same >dictionary, I used Compton's encyclopedia, and you?). >Anyways, I think it's real meaning is definition b.), but I think we won't >know until we've read the book/seen the movie/read the (real) lyrics or at >least listened to the whole song. I don't know what's been posted here about the sea-nymph kind of siren, but it comes from greek myth, where the sirens lured sailors onto rocks with their beautiful mysterious calls/signals. In his odyssey, Odysseus had his sailors plug their ears and tie him to the mast so he could hear the sirens' voices safely. Since the mysterious/hurting/beautiful/dangerous girl/woman character in Great Expectations was called "Estella" (the star), I'm wondering if her name has been changed in the movie to make a play on Siren instead, since the "star" connection might be hard to bring through in a movie. "Is it the fault of the candle if a moth is drawn to its flame and consumed?*" - -- Ken Tough *or something like that; gimme a break, I read it 20yrs ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:34:10 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Tori & Death Many people will be aware of Tori's dilemma during the early years of career about playing large halls, as to opposed to more intimate settings. Just thought you migt want to know that this is referenced directly in Neil's "Death: Time of Of Your Life" Issue #1. The main character of the book is a lady named Foxglove who is also a musician. On page 8 of said issues, her manager remarks that she can't play small venues anymore, coz she's just so popular. No point to this really, just a another sign point pointing to Neil's relationship with Tori. TTFN Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:26:25 -0800 From: Chris Semon Subject: Cosmopolitan Tori Mention I thought you guys might get a kick out of a tiny Tori Amos article that appeared in Cosmopolitan. The article is written by a palm reader who analyzed several celebrity's palms and then wrote her take on them. She writes... "TORI AMOS Tori's head line goes straight down into the creative part of her palm - -- she's definitely in the right field. I sense she'll write a song that another female performer will sing and that will make her a lot of money. There's a major cut in her life line, so she has to be careful with her health. Tori will either marry or live with a singer of a popular band." I personally don't put much belief into palm reading, but it is interesting nonetheless. :) Chris Semon wombats@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:00:52 -0700 From: "Raven's Call" Subject: .....hi...... Happy Halloween Everyone! (Or Blessed Samhain as the case may be....) Hope everyone has fun today/tonight and be careful! :) Raven - --- *****READ THIS***** "Bill Gates wanted to impress everyone with his success. He decided to measure the accomplishments of Microsoft against General Motors. The comparison went like this: If automotive technology had kept pace with computer technology over the past few decades, you would now be driving a V-32 instead of a V-8, and it would have a top speed of 10,000 miles per hour. Or you could have an economy car that weighs 20 pounds and gets 1,000 miles to the gallon. In either case, the sticker of the new car would be less that $50. In response to all this goading, GM responded: "Yes, but would you really want to drive a car that crashes four times a day?" (Bytes and Pieces, Dallas' The Met, October 29, 1997). - -Life is like a messy room. --Raven's Call - -Emotions are the one true language in which we as humans fail to understand. --Raven's Call - -Moses I know, I know you've seen the fire, but you've never seen the fire, until you've seen a Pele blow.. --Tori Amos, Muhammad My Friend, Boys for Pele Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:26:18 +0100 (MET) From: Anneke Ruys Subject: Women in Music hi there!!! does anyone know about a site/mailing-list Women in Music??? (W.I.M.) i would love to be on that list! anneke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:40:32 +1900 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Spongey's meet with Tori Hi, Tori Folk: Well, let's fly this one up the flagpole and see if it catches any wind. Jennifer Cypres said: > Spongey: > You are so lucky to have met Tori. I have never had the courage to > go meet her after the 3 concerts I've attended: LE, UtP, and BfP (in > Knoxville, TN). I just feel she doesn't want to be bothered. I totally share those concerns. I could have gone backstage and to a press-only meet-and-greet here in D.C. during the UtP tour--in fact I was nearly physically *dragged* backstage by my friend--but I refused to go. I didn't want to take 45 seconds of her time telling her, "Gee, I really think your music is amazing." I didn't see any point to that. I *did* have my friend give her a CD of some of my favorite Beethoven piano music played on a wonderful fortepiano, though, thinking it might influence her to consider incorporating some earlier keyboard instruments into her repertoire. As I mentioned here a number of months ago, I never had the nerve to ask her if that had anything to do with the harpsichord, clavichord and harmonium on Pele. Pretty funny, though. Anyhow, after seeing a number of shows last year, I felt the need to discuss some things with Tori, and she was always incredibly generous with her time and attention. Knowing how she was expecting people to be waiting to see her on her way in to do the soundchecks before the shows helped me feel more comfortable with asking for some of her time. I would still have a hard time with justifying going backstage after a concert. She needs time to decompress, and in D.C. there are SO MANY people going backstage to see her that I know it drives her nuts. Imagine all the people she knew from around here, and even the *parents* of a lot of them going backstage and you'll quickly get the idea. With a lot of that kind of thing I think she *is* just being nice. How many old friends, and relatives of old friends from the area can she possibly have time to visit with on a tour stop in D.C. or Baltimore? How many times over that number *want* to visit with her? How many old friends, etc., can she turn away? Anyhow, after the first three times that I spoke with her I started to feel that maybe I should just leave her alone, but I still had some things dangling that I wanted to get squared away with her. Then, when I saw her that fourth time (which was two months to the day after the first time), there was a major shift in dynamics between us, and after that I wasn't shy about going to meet her before shows. She knew me by name, knew enough not to try to get a song request out of me , etc. I came to feel an amazing bond with her, even. I'm sure a lot of that is due to all the people I know who were friends with her and went to school with her around here when she was young. (I didn't even really realize about all that until relatively recently, and it still seems deeply weird to me, I assure you. Just luck of geography and coincidence.) So, after that fourth time I usually made a point to go in the afternoon before a show and talk with her. My current feelings about seeing her around the shows next tour are strongly mixed. I miss her like crazy, but I don't really have much of anything I need to discuss with her anymore, so I'll probably just let her know I'm there, tell her how great it is to see her again, ask her how her folks are, and maybe give her an idea of what shows I expect to be seeing. If she wants to contact me before then she certainly knows how to call me. I won't be holding my breath. Ultimately, it's obviously her decision whether or not she wants to meet with us. I know it's important to her to do it, but if 150 people start showing up before the shows I can't see how that's gonna work. It was insane enough when there were fifty toward the end of last tour, so, how she might work all this next tour I can't imagine. Which leads me to some things Spongey said in his post which started this thread-- > Eventually some dodgy-looking record exec.-type guy, with a sad blonde > ponytail, came out and said that Tori would come out and say hi but only > if we all lined up (like we we still at school!). Everyone shuffled into > a line and this guy said if we'd move he'd take Tori straight to her > car. [...] > As Tori got halfway down the queue, people started to move in and the > record guy shouted for everyone to get back, but Tori turned to him and > said sternly 'Leave them alone'. She obviously cares more about her fans > than the record company guys! That would be Joel Hopkins, aka Agent Orange. (And if some of you choose not to believe Joel is Agent Orange I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. One of the rare times when I checked out the newsgroup around a year ago they were arguing about this, which I found to be astounding.) Joel is Tori's personal bodyguard and head of tour security, and without him, NO ONE would be meeting and talking with Tori. It wouldn't be safe. Joel would get a little bit anxious from time to time, though, and she'd see fit to call him off. Tori wouldn't be safe without Joel there. Period. Sometimes people would jump onstage during a show and he was right there to pitch them off. I heard that someone also tried to rush her during one of the pre-soundcheck meetings last year, which was why they started to use barricades between her and us if there were more than a few of us. That she continued seeing us after that incident is a testament to how committed she is to doing it. And if you think all that isn't dangerous for her then talk to Yoko Ono. Joel is actually a great guy with a gruff exterior. He's clearly a dear personal friend of Tori's at this point, and he really "gets" the whole scene, now. He could often be found before showtime in front of the stage gathering CDs and other items from people, taking them backstage to have Tori sign them, and then bringing them back out to their owners. That's not his job--he just would do that because he understands. I'll never forget how wonderful he was to me once he got to know who I was, and especially how after taking her into the Garden for the Concert for RAINN in January, he came back out and right over to me and asked me how I was. It wasn't a casual, social, "How are you doing?," it was a serious, looking-right-into-me-with-a-firm-handshake and asking me "How are *you* DOING?" Joel is nothing if not intense. I could tell he was genuinely concerned for me, probably especially since after the final show in Boulder when I went up to him to shake his hand moments after the show ended I was too overcome with emotion to form a single syllable, and he asked me, "Are you gonna be alright?" I hadn't seen a concert in a month when I got to Boulder, and with all the scary reports from the road since then I was more than a little concerned for the state of Tori's health. When I was first talking with Joel in Boulder I asked him if she was really okay. He assured me, "She's *fine*. She's just exhausted. ... She'll be okay--*I'm* taking care of her." :-) What can I say, I love the guy. He's TOTALLY devoted to her, and said he will always be there if she needs him for security. Many blessings on Joel. He feels he has to keep up his tough-guy image. I once said something to Tori that was funny enough that she was laughing out loud and looking over at him. I thought he was gonna break his face trying not to laugh in public. That was a riot. :-D If Tori wants to meet with us, I don't think we should complain. What we might want to be concerned about are people who would want to go track her down at times like these when she's *not* on tour, and invade her life. If the first three tours are any indication, she'll do what she can to provide as much access to her as possible on the next tour, as long and she can do it safely, and without compromising the attentions she needs to devote to her music. I only hope she doesn't end up compromising her safety. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:20:06 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: .....hi...... On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Raven's Call wrote: > Happy Halloween Everyone! (Or Blessed Samhain as the case may be....) > Hope everyone has fun today/tonight and be careful! :) > > Raven > > --- > *****READ THIS***** > > "Bill Gates wanted to impress everyone with his success. He decided to > measure the And what does this have to do with Tori? Nothing. Please don't send stuff like this to the list, no matter how interesting or funny or cute you might think it is. Thanks, Mike, co-listowner guy | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #307 *************************************