From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #305 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, October 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- News [Greg Burrell ] Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! [Richard Handal ] Spongey's meet with Tori [Jennifer Cypres ] Re: apple green ice cream ["Unifund, Inc." ] Re: apple green ice cream ["Unifund, Inc." ] Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! [WeirdyBoi@aol.com] Re: apple green ice cream ["Unifund, Inc." ] Re: apple green ice cream [Lady Eorann ] apple green ice cream and then some [] Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! [Richard Handal ] Meeting Tori ["Michael L. Whitehead" ] Baktabak Interview CD [Ken Tough ] Gen. Sex Quote/Hpy Phntm ["Capriccio 191" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 23:50:01 -0800 From: Greg Burrell Subject: News Hi Everybody, RAINN CONCERT VIDEO The release date of Tori's "RAINN Benefit" concert video has been pushed back to November 10. This video will only be released in Europe (PAL format), it will not be available in the US. TORI IN ROLLING STONE The latest issue of Rolling Stone magazine (#773, Nov 13, the cover says "Women of Rock") has a new interview with Tori. Its about a page long and there's a photo of her as well. See the Rolling Stone web site (http://www.rollingstone.com) for details. _________________ |\ | | _/ .`-| Greg Burrell | , http://www.webville.com/~tori \ .4 | ---------- |\__// `--'\|gregb@netcom.com|`--' C|________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! Jason posted about the new Rolling Stone Tori interview: > The interview was conducted at the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan on > August 23, 1997 by Susan Cheever. Thanks for all that, Jason. But I have to mention that Ms. Cheever seems to be a bit confused. She said the interview was done on a Saturday morning, and as you refer to it above, she *also* said it was the day after Tori's 34th birthday. Tori turned 34 on *Thursday*, August 22, 1996. It would appear that Ms. Cheever lost her calendar somewhere along the way. ;-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:50:11 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Richman Subject: Re: apple green ice cream > From: "Ashre, Ashre" > Subject: Re: apple green ice cream > > I think it makes sense! Plus I have my own thing to add. What about in > PT when she says "So you can make me come, that dosen't make you Jesus". > That always confused me! It could either be a "who died and left you > king" type thing or... it could be the fact that Jesus used to turn her > on and that it doesn't give hin the same rights as Jesus. > From: rain > Subject: doesnt make you jesus > > i presumed she ment {by the line "you can make me cum doesnt make you > jesus"} that that ment just because you can get her off it doesnt make > you any hollier or better or more special than anyone else.... > > Hey, I see the logic in that too! (pertaining to the apple green ice > cream) About the line from 'Precious Things'... : > I've always interpreted it that Tori is telling them that they aren't > anything special because they can make her come. Yeah, like the "who > died and left you king" kind of thing in a sense. Like it's no big deal > to be able to make her come. It could also mean that she feels that > the male ego is just too big and needs to be checked (in matters > pertaining to making women come I suppose). > Comments? > - -Ray (aka Cochese) I had to see it in concert to understand it. I used to think it was a jab at the male ego (and hearing all the girrrrrls in the audience start to hoot at that point did make me feel uneasy). After seeing (not hearing) Precious Things live, I put it in the context of the song. It no longer seemed to be a blow to the male ego but in balance with the rest of the song. Sometimes the end of the song is a lot more unnerving when she really gets into it i.e., "wash me clean"). Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:48:27 -0500 From: Jennifer Cypres Subject: Spongey's meet with Tori Spongey: You are so lucky to have met Tori. I have never had the courage to go meet her after the 3 concerts I've attended: LE, UtP, and BfP (in Knoxville, TN). I just feel she doesn't want to be bothered. I have this utter reverance of her, and somehow this prevents me from going up to her. Although I know this is silly, because I'm just dying to meet her. But I'd rather be shopping with her or something, instead of standing there idolizing her. I wish I could get over this stupid hangup because I'm really missing out. So you say she's genuinely happy and not at all bothered when people come up to her? Are you sure she's not just being polite? I just think she'd be so sick of all the attention, especially from babbling young fans, since she is in her '30s. I don't know.... I think she knows everyone calls her a goddess, and I just think we might be weirding her out. We shouldn't be worshipping her, although we can't help it. This is utterly stupid to worry about, I know.... - -Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:28:37 -0600 From: "Unifund, Inc." Subject: Re: apple green ice cream From: Ashre, Ashre > I think it makes sense! Plus I have my own thing to add. What about in > PT when she says "So you can make me come, that dosen't make you Jesus". > That always confused me! It could either be a "who died and left you > king" type thing or... it could be the fact that Jesus used to turn her > on and that it doesn't give hin the same rights as Jesus. I think that it means, so what, you can get me off, but that doesn't make you anything special - it doesn't give you power over me, you're not god. Gillian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:30:49 -0600 From: "Unifund, Inc." Subject: Re: apple green ice cream From: Ellis, Melanie S > this whole Here. In my Head thing... > > I was wondering if hands I cant> had something to do with, um, how to put this > tactfully...getting wet as girl will? I had always connected the apple > green ice cream to the fair and not thought any further about it (THANK > YOU for the other insights, EWF!), but I know Tori had problems > "melting" since her rape and I thought that might be it. I also thought > that Daisy dead Petals refereed to the petals of the nether region being > dead...am I just twisted, or does this make sense to anybody?? Yeah, it certainly does. I took it as her not being to melt in his hands (not because of her sexual problems) but because of the lies he has told her, and because she can't trust him - he's got someone else, and she's just his side thang, you know? Gillian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: WeirdyBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! In a message dated 97-10-29 05:51:10 EST, handal@access.digex.net writes: << Thanks for all that, Jason. But I have to mention that Ms. Cheever seems to be a bit confused. She said the interview was done on a Saturday morning, and as you refer to it above, she *also* said it was the day after Tori's 34th birthday. Tori turned 34 on *Thursday*, August 22, 1996. It would appear that Ms. Cheever lost her calendar somewhere along the way. ;-) >> Tori turned 34 on Friday, August 22, 1997. So, the day after her 34th birthday was a Saturday. Richard, I'm so shocked that you slipped on that, you sillyman ;) I gave no misinformation, neither did Ms. Cheever. - -j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:31:26 -0600 From: "Unifund, Inc." Subject: Re: apple green ice cream From: Mike Richman > I had to see it in concert to understand it. I used to think it was a > jab at the male ego (and hearing all the girrrrrls in the audience > start to hoot at that point did make me feel uneasy). After seeing > (not hearing) Precious Things live, I put it in the context of the > song. It no longer seemed to be a blow to the male ego but in balance > with the rest of the song. Sometimes the end of the song is a lot more > unnerving when she really gets into it i.e., "wash me clean"). As I've said before - not like I expect anyone to remember though :-) - Tori's releases seem to coincide with happening in my life, ones that coincide with what Tori is saying. When I found Little Earthquakes I was realizing the things in my life that I *let* people do to me. That's what I feel the whole album is about. I was telling my mom about Tori once, and my dad was like "she hates men, is she a lesbian" (he's not the most sensitive guy in the world). I thought about that - and as she says, she loves men - and it's all about, not only what men do to women (or women to women, or women to men), but what we allow others to do to us. Precious Things, to *me*, is describing a girl's dependence on guys - not financial, or emotional, but their esteem depending on a boy, and whether he likes her or not. She's singing about dressing up for him, chasing him (which is like chasing the rain - useless), being a her pretty clothes, and not being noticed. The "cum" line is not necessarily (as Mike says) a put down line for guys, but a female realization that men are necessary for the things that women think that they are. Letting the precious things bleed, and wash away is like a prayer, her begging herself to let go of these "precious" things, that are only really hurting her. blah blah blah Gillian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: apple green ice cream On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Ashre, Ashre wrote: > PT when she says "So you can make me come, that dosen't make you Jesus". > That always confused me! It could either be a "who died and left you > king" type thing or... it could be the fact that Jesus used to turn her > on and that it doesn't give hin the same rights as Jesus. Although I can see what you're saying (both ideas make sense), I always thought "So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus" was in reference to those "Christian boys" that felt they had all this power over her. Like, they feel because they have sexual "power" over a girl that makes them their savior and protector and god. Jesus is the "superhero" of the Christian boys, so to speak, and they think that holding this "power" over a girl makes them like Him, and she just wants to burst their bubble. Am I way off base here? Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: apple green ice cream On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Mike Richman wrote: > > I had to see it in concert to understand it. I used to think it was a > jab at the male ego (and hearing all the girrrrrls in the audience > start to hoot at that point did make me feel uneasy). After seeing > (not hearing) Precious Things live, I put it in the context of the > song. It no longer seemed to be a blow to the male ego but in balance > with the rest of the song. Sometimes the end of the song is a lot more > unnerving when she really gets into it i.e., "wash me clean"). Hi Mike! I'm glad you brought this up. Watching her perform PT live is the most unnerving, horrific, wonderful thing in the world, I think. The show I went to drove me to tears when she literally growled the song, and then when she got to "tucked inside the heart of every nice girl..." That "girl" was the most unearthly sound I've ever heard... And the end, the "wash me cleans"... goodness, I have goosebumps just thinking about it... There's definitely more to PT than meets the eye... I thought this quote of Tori's would put the song in a little more perspective than the "crushing the male ego" idea: "I don't hate men. I give equal time in my hate. It's acts of people that I hate. Whether they be men or women, it's their behavior that I hate." --Tori Amos, RDT Fanzine, Winter 1993 (thanks to Elizabeth perry and the Tori Quote of the Day!) TTFN! Yvette. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Richard Handal wrote: > Jason posted about the new Rolling Stone Tori interview: > > > The interview was conducted at the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan on > > August 23, 1997 by Susan Cheever. > > Thanks for all that, Jason. But I have to mention that Ms. Cheever seems > to be a bit confused. She said the interview was done on a Saturday > morning, and as you refer to it above, she *also* said it was the day > after Tori's 34th birthday. Tori turned 34 on *Thursday*, August 22, 1996. > It would appear that Ms. Cheever lost her calendar somewhere along the > way. ;-) Hate to be the one to correct you, Richard, but... The dates and days are correct. Tori's 34th Birthday was August 22, 1997, which was a Friday, making Aug. 23, 1997 a Saturday. (Her birthday was on a Thursday *last* year, 1996). So I guess you should make a public apology to Ms. Cheever, huh? ;) Have a good one! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:36:25 -0800 From: ButterFliKip Subject: Re: Spongey's meet with Tori Jennifer Cypres wrote: > > Spongey: > You are so lucky to have met Tori. I have never had the courage to > go meet her after the 3 concerts I've attended: LE, UtP, and BfP (in > Knoxville, TN). I just feel she doesn't want to be bothered. I have > this utter reverance of her, and somehow this prevents me from going > up to her. Although I know this is silly, because I'm just dying to > meet her. But I'd rather be shopping with her or something, instead > of standing there idolizing her. I wish I could get over this stupid > hangup because I'm really missing out. So you say she's genuinely > happy and not at all bothered when people come up to her? Are you > sure she's not just being polite? I just think she'd be so sick of > all the attention, especially from babbling young fans, since she is > in her '30s. I don't know.... I think she knows everyone calls her > a goddess, and I just think we might be weirding her out. We > shouldn't be worshipping her, although we can't help it. This is > utterly stupid to worry about, I know.... > -Jen Tori truly loves all of her fans.. she adores us!! You can see it in her eyes. She loves doing concerts for us and she loves talking to us... She is the most darling thing.. :) If Tori out there, its so she can talk to us (sometimes she doesn't come out on purpose...:) She would be blessed to meet you and you would be to meet her! Give it a go...its an experience that will stay in your heart forever! toodles! love and light, kiP* - -- "Healing for me is being able to sit next to the butcher and say, 'Yes, I'm sitting next to the butcher now,' instead of saying 'There is no butcher.' Well, there definitely is one!" -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:00:11 CST From: Subject: apple green ice cream and then some Although I can see what you're saying (both ideas make sense), I always thought "So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus" was in reference to those "Christian boys" that felt they had all this power over her. Like, they feel because they have sexual "power" over a girl that makes them their savior and protector and god. Jesus is the "superhero" of the Christian boys, so to speak, and they think that holding this "power" over a girl makes them like Him, and she just wants to burst their bubble. Am I way off base here? Actually Yvette, I think you're right on... This is one of Tori's most empowering lines for me personally...I dated a Lutheran boy who was rather controlling, and this line kind of epitomizes my feelings on the subject. Besides, tori's lyrics are ALWAYS open to interpretation in whatever way YOU want them to be...no one can ever really know what she was thinking when she sat right down with her pen and her Margarita. I know no one gets my stuff completely, but I really enjoy it when someone appreciates it. I was having a random thought today at lunch whilst munching upon my nachos and oreo pudding(ooh that dining hall food). Back to the CK photo of Tori. I am a photographer(it is soon to be my major) and I know that you can take a single photograph these days and alter it in SO MANY ways that it can be indistinguishable from itself. A good example is the cover of Time and some other mag(sorry Richard I'm forgetting) during the OJ Simpson trial. They took the same pic and lightened it in one mag, making him look very honest and upstanding, and in the other they brought out the shadows to make the Juice look malevolent and looming. Here's my theory: CK has an ad campaign going right now, and it has to do with all sorts of trendiness...one of these trendy genres being the whole waif business(on a side note...we were in Indy last weekend and saw four teenage girls in a coffee shop wasting away...they were drinking juice and nothing else...I wanted to stuff some potatoes and some source of protein down their throats...I know some people are naturally thin but this was obviously not the case). I think they photographed Tori to fit this image. It's all about visual aesthetic and the unconscious associations it reveals. The way the lighting is done (overhead) and her make-up definitely adds to the visual product, as well as the flourescent white light(which usually reveals that washed-out look). This is a very good picture artistically, it's just not showing Tori in her usual light, if you don't mind my pun. I don't pesonally care for it, because it doesn't show her in a way that I like to associate her with. Now my extremely long and uneventful post is over, and you can go back to your cupcakes. buh bye kerriloo^ "I say the world is sick, You say tell me what that makes us darlin'" <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: New Tori interview in Rolling Stone!!!! Yvette said: > Hate to be the one to correct you, Richard, but... The dates and days > are correct. Tori's 34th Birthday was August 22, 1997, which was a > Friday, making Aug. 23, 1997 a Saturday. HA HA HA HA! Can you say "too much work"? Sorry about that folks. Major glitch time. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:38:16 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Richman Subject: Re: apple green ice cream Quoting Lady Eorann > > Hi Mike! > I'm glad you brought this up. Watching her perform PT live is the most > unnerving, horrific, wonderful thing in the world, I think. The show I > went to drove me to tears when she literally growled the song, and then > when she got to "tucked inside the heart of every nice girl..." That > "girl" was the most unearthly sound I've ever heard... And the end, the Hi Yvette, Yes, a truly hideous sound. All I could think was it was meant to transmit just how ugly she felt. I can not figure out why people scream in approval at that sound, unless it is just for the sheer duration. That and watching her claw at her belly while singing and playing was an experience I'll never forget. It left me feeling guilty for looking at the song from such a narrow [male] perspective. > "wash me cleans"... goodness, I have goosebumps just thinking about it... > There's definitely more to PT than meets the eye... The end of the song varies so much. Sometimes it is almost anticlimatic, other times is goes totally nonlinear into screams of "wash me clean [daddy?]". If you heard the latter, I bet thinking of it leaves goosebumps. The song has never sounded the same since I saw it live. I never cared for it that much before then 'cause I listsened to it through a testosterone filter. After seeing it, the whip sounds were crystal clear. I'm glad she did it most nights on the DDI. > I thought this quote of Tori's would put the song in a little more > perspective than the "crushing the male ego" idea: > > "I don't hate men. I give equal time in my hate. It's acts of people > that I hate. Whether they be men or women, it's their behavior that I > hate." --Tori Amos, RDT Fanzine, Winter 1993 (thanks to Elizabeth perry > and the Tori Quote of the Day!) Yes, I stopped viewing it on a male versus female view but at what people were capable of inflicting on one another, or not if they were smart enough to fully know what their words were capable of. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:24:01 -0500 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: Meeting Tori Jen said: >So you say she's genuinely >happy and not at all bothered when people come up to her? Are you >sure she's not just being polite? I just think she'd be so sick of >all the attention, especially from babbling young fans, since she is >in her '30s. I don't know.... I think she knows everyone calls her >a goddess, and I just think we might be weirding her out. There was an article in July of last year in The Georgia Straight, a publication in Vancouver, that may help shed light on how Tori feels about meeting her fans. (Thanks to Richard Handal for making it readily available on the net!) YOu can read the entire thing on my web site at: http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/vancouver.html The part of the article I found interesting was: >And lo, they also come to worship. "They've been known to do that >too. I figure that if you're an interesting writer you'll make people >think--that part is *so* one-plus-one, I don't even think about it >that much. The extreme reactions, though, I don't really respond to. >You *can't*. You become a ping-pong ball. If you're going to let >yourself be worshipped, then you *have* to end up in the place >where they rip every piece of epidermis off your body. It's important >to have a sense of humour about it and to take responsibility for >your beliefs; I do, completely! And yet I don't take responsibility for >somebody *else's* reaction. That's *their* job. If you wanna come >have a margarita with me, fine. We can hang out. But if you want >to roast me over an open fire or lick my feet, I'm not into that." So I think Tori really digs talking with her fans and sharing with them. but "worshipping" or extreme reactions probably don't please her too much. When a fan says, "You saved my life..", Tori will often reply, "No, you saved yourself. I just nudged you a little." She certainly cares about her fans, and she has gone out of her way to help them. But obviously she has to keep it all in perspective, and even then, I know that all that adoration has to be incredibly taxing on tour, which is strenuous enough. Sometimes it is all too easy to forget that she is very much human as we meet at the various concerts. With her fan base growing, it might be important to reinforce that fact on the next tour. But under the right circumstances there is no doubt in my mind that Tori enjoys talking to us! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:19:45 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Baktabak Interview CD I'd like to know when the interview that is on the (reasonably) newly released Baktabak CD was recorded. Anyone know? - -- Ken Tough Cornwall ken@objectech.co.uk United Kingdom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:01:12 PST From: "Capriccio 191" Subject: Gen. Sex Quote/Hpy Phntm Hi all! Someone asked for the Generation Sex Quote; it's way to long to post the whole thing to the list, however, I will post the pages that she is quoted on in a few days so you can go sneak a quick peak in the bookstore. 99 X in Atlanta has been playing a parody of Happy Phantom as a station identification thing...it ws cute, but I don't remember the words. Later, jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #305 *************************************