From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #302 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, October 27 1997 Volume 02 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "poster child?" [Lady Eorann ] Re: YKTR - I like it =) [RAINN18@aol.com] Re: siren [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] Boston OcToriFest! [rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.)] Ayahuasca/Yage [ChinaDust@aol.com] Tori, drugs, William Burroughs and more [Charlie Poole ] Re: YKTR [Bob Moyer ] Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize [ChinaDust@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: "poster child?" On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > > Hi all. Hello, Karen! > Sorry to keep this going. I just wanted to add my two cents here. I > haven't had a chance to respond until now. > > Well, I don't really consider denial a form of healing. Fiona is *young* > in her outlook about things. I don't blame her for not wanting to talk > about it all the time, since we just cannot be victims forever. But I > really believe that she doesn't know how to handle these things (e.g. > the rape, fame, etc.) and is as mentally/emotionally troubled as she makes > herself out to be. I think Karen hits on a good point here. Fiona is really really young. She just turned 20 last month, you know? IMO, I think she'll be lucky to survive this rocket to fame that she's been on. Tori is 34. Fiona is 20. Tori was raped when she was in her twenties. Fiona was 12. There's totally different issues she has to deal with, like simply trying to grow up AND heal this other wound as she does so. I'm not saying that it's easier for Tori or anything, I just think that Tori was at a different stage (and age) in her life when this horrible thing happened to her. They are just totally different people, in my book. > Give her some years and a major flop. Her attitude will change. Possibly. I kinda feel sorry for Fiona, having so much so fast (good and bad stuff). The whole "poster girl" statement to me seemed like a young kid being interviewed and saying something that is easily misconstrued. I mean, I'm sure it's happened to all of us that we say one thing and it doesn't come out right, and someone else totally misunderstands our point. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here, I hope I'm not wrong in doing so. Anyway, that's my $.02! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 03:28:25 -0500 (EST) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: YKTR - I like it =) In a message dated 97-10-26 01:44:13 EST, you write: << The lyrics.. well, what *if* her songs are about money and cars.. >> I don't see this in YKTR. Okay, maybe some of the songs are about that, but I think they mostly talk about relationships, and losing someone, or someone losing you :) I didn't like the big picture at first and thought tori looked like a fool in the video, but then I started to like after listening to it over and over. The lyrics aren't that great but I love the music and how tori sings. She's very aggressive. some points it sounds like she's almost grunting. I just think all of her albums are deep and very emotional and this one is just fun. I know on the boundary, fire on your side, and cool on your island all talk about love and rejection in a sense. So not all of it just money and cars. Does anyone else see what I'm saying or am I just rambling for no reason :) angie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:21:46 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: siren On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, alicia wrote: > hello! > i just heard "siren" at my friend's house, and i loved it, it sounded a bit > like CALS to me (my favorite song), and besides, it just converted a new ewf. > > love, > -alicia > > > "tears on my pillow, of course they're not mine..." > Tori Amos > > I have also just downloaded and heard the song and I can't understand why people were comparing it to YKTR before. Is it just the RA version or are the words real hard to understand. Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:07:51 EST From: rlones@juno.com (Marla/Antigone E. F.) Subject: Boston OcToriFest! Hey everyone - the Boston OcToriFest, IMHO, was a success! There were only a few of us, but we had a great time oohing over Jason's shrine (the guy has EVERYTHING!), drinking margaritas and eating cookies, watching Tori videos, telling Tori stories, attempting a Tori quiz, and MORE! I (and I think the rest of those who showed up) would like to hold another one soon with more people! So keep in touch, all you Boston area folks, because Tori parties are a BLAST! See you all soon! Marla (marlantigone) - --- "I'm a million different people from one day to the next." - The Verve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Ayahuasca/Yage Heyho: Most of us have read or heard about Tori and her use of ayahuasca, right? It seemed like a very intense, yet positive experience for her. But I read on a site dedicated to psychedelics that another name, in Columbia and parts of Brazil, the Tupi Indian name Yage (pronounced Ya-hay) is used. Now, for all you X-Philes out there, do you remember the X-Files episode about an archaeological dig-up that unleashed a spirit or something like that, it had a pretty, sad-eyed babe involved in it, and (I think it was) her boyfriend or lover who was summoning up spirits in the form of animals (I think a cheetah) and commanding them to kill, and he was ingesting Yage (the girlfriend said something like, "Ya-hay???" and she was completely freaked out, and then he attacked her) to achieve this ability. Sorry, you guys, I know I'm getting completely off track!! But I just needed to know if the "ya-hay" in the X-Files is the same as Tori's Ayahuasca. And if anyone is interested, I got the information on Ayahuasca at: http://www.erowid.com/entheogens/ayahuasca/ayahuasca.shtml Just me, Eileen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Tori, drugs, William Burroughs and more Hello all interested EWF, someone who's name I accidentally deleted [sorry] said: completely off track!! But I just needed to know if the "ya-hay" in the X-Files is the same as Tori's Ayahuasca. Yes Yage is. It is also related to a drug, DMT, which was somewhat popular in the US in the late sixties and very early seventies. Being a lot less intense, and with "less" desirable side effects, it was overshadowed by the LSD experience. I believe it's unfortunate that any portrayal of the drug experience in commercial entertainment HAS to be so negative. I realize that without that there would be less "entertainment." I know that many people have had very bad experiences but many have had positive, life changing ones also. Most of what passes for a drug culture in the Western world revolves around alcohol, caffiene, cocaine, heroin, etc.; drugs which either numb the psyche or stimulate. The user is seeking pleasure, not enlightenment. The Westerner is afraid of the shammanistic experience. Therefore we have insane laws to prohibit drug experimentation and have, in the US, more young people in prison than any other country in the world. Don't allow TV, schools, and government spokespeople to shape your belief system about psychoactive drugs. Inform yourself; read and study. Yage, also called yaje, or ayahuasca, or yakee. This herb, native to South America and maybe Central America, is a telepathic hallucinogenic drug. When sniffed it produces beautiful visions with purple or blue halos. There is always vomiting when the drug is taken, thugh it may be taken 3-6 times in a session. It has been used experimentally in New York on patients with various mental diseases. An acquaintance shot up with yage, got a high buzzing in her head and totally lost contact with the people around her. It is said to be needed fresh to use. [contrary to this statement it does not always produce vomiting and the description of the effects is much too simplistic] From: http://kitchen.bianca.com/shack/kitchen/herbs/yage.html For a much better description vist: Lycaeum - Ayahuasca http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/plants/brews/uasca.html There is an wonderful interview with a Westerner about their Yage experiences in, OneWorld Magazine - Ayahuasca, Power and Dreams located at: http://www.webstories.co.nz/tales/ayah/text.html Another can be found in: Ayahuasca workshop in California Accounts of a Californian workshop using ayahuasca for Nicholas Saunders' book on spiritual uses of psychoactives. http://www.csp.org/nicholas/Californian.ayahuasca.html William S.Burroughs, friend and confidant of Allen Ginsberg, wrote extensively about his drug experiences: THE YAGE LETTERS "Destined for Interzone [early manuscripts which later became the novel Naked Lunch], Burroughs embarked on the yage trip and the city of the future came to him, teeming with drugs and diseases from the future. Yage is space-time travel, passing through nausea into information overload, too much speed. Urban scenes from the yage letters first infect the naked lunch, and continue to spread. Cities of the red night propogate themselves virally across the planet, reprogramming the soft machine, and implanting strange thoughts. Burroughs emerges from the convergence of drugs and disease. The plague begins to transmit information." --Sadie Plant and Nick Land (from "Cyberpositive" in Unnatural , UK pbk, 1994). From: http://www.euro.net/mark-space/bkTheYageLetters.html For those of you who are interested in further research a large listing of psychoactive drug reference books can be found at: http://www.paranoia.com/drugs/biblio/d-bibliography I would enjoy corresponding with anyone who is interested in a private e-mail discussion of drugs and the drug experience regardless of your viewpoint. In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:12:41 -0600 (CST) From: lellis@umr.edu Subject: Re: YKTR hi! i love tori as much as any of you, and i think yktr has it's strong points, but think with me here... > In a message dated 97-10-26 01:44:13 EST, you write: > > << The lyrics.. well, what *if* her songs are about money and cars.. >> > > I don't see this in YKTR. Okay, maybe some of the songs are about that, but I > think they mostly talk about relationships, and losing someone, or someone > losing you :) true, but the only reason she wrote these things in that style was because the *record company* wanted it that way. do you think she *wanted* it that way? she has said that she wants every copy of yktr burned! (don't know the source) this last album (as she has stated) was actually the only one where she was truly true to herself. > I didn't like the big picture at first and thought tori looked like a fool in > the video, but then I started to like after listening to it over and over. > The lyrics aren't that great but I love the music and how tori sings. She's > very aggressive. some points it sounds like she's almost grunting. I just > think all of her albums are deep and very emotional and this one is just fun. that's great if you think the album is "fun", i respect that, but do you like it simply because it's tori or do you consider a musically outstanding acheivement??? if it weren't tori, would you still like it? btw, can you defend 'fayth'? leah raisin girl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ birthname: leah ellis business grrrl & dj 573.368.4795 !y! kmnr 89.7 fm lellis@umr.edu hear me: 3pm-5pm wednesdays univ.of missouri- rolla talk to me: 573.341.4272 see me: www.umr.edu/~lellis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "boys are cute, but food is cuter." --tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:35:47 PST From: "Capriccio 191" Subject: Tori content Hello! It's been a while since I last posted, but I figured that I had some decent amount of info. I just read Dr. Judy Whats-her-name's book Generation Sex. It was ok and I learned a few things, but I like Dr, Roger Libby who does a show on 99X on Sunday nights here in Atlanta. So, anyhoo, I know that the book was printed and published and stuff in 95 but for all the new Tori fans and collectors She's mentioned about 4 or 5 times in the book. Her quotes were pretty cool, but one was completely incoherent. Normally I can figure what Tori's trying to say, but I need to read that one a few more times. :) Also, the new Burger King commercial is using that song that Tori covered (not her version) "Ring My Bell". Cool.... well, that's it. Later Toriphiles! Jenn - -- Visiting Atlanta? Come stay with us at the Buckhead Bed and Breakfast Inn. 1-888-224-8797 "I swear by my life-and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."-John Galt from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:09:27 -0500 From: Bob Moyer Subject: Re: YKTR lellis@umr.edu wrote: > true, but the only reason she wrote these things in that style was > because the *record company* wanted it that way. do you think she > *wanted* it that way? she has said that she wants every copy of yktr > burned! (don't know the source) On the other hand, if that's the case, why has she started playing it more and more in concert...? Especially Entienne? I don't think you can dismiss YKTR as an album simply because Tori didn't have full creative control. Sure, we've seen that her music only gets better and better the more control she has, but does that mean there is nothing in YKTR? It wouldn't be a Tori album if it didn't have some piece of her in there. (That's why I think it's strange people complain about her moving away from the "girl-with-a-piano" THANG...the more she experiments, the better she is.) - -- - -Bob Moyer U of MD, College Park rahvin@wam.umd.edu http://bobmoyer.home.ml.org ==================================================== "Is that all this has meant to you? Another spatial anomaly, another day at the office?" -Q ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: ChinaDust@aol.com Subject: Re: got my rape hat on but i always could accessorize yup. alice walker is a great writer! i haven't read "possessing the secret of joy" yet, but i'm reading "the color purple" right now, and it was so vivid, i was close to tears when i read the first page in the bookstore. anyone else like alice walker? it seems like no one even knows who the hell she is! - -eileen "Society often forgives the criminal; it never forgives the dreamer." - Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #302 *************************************