From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #269 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, September 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: nishiki [AstroKitty@aol.com] Re: nishiki ["schnabeltier ( it's a real word )" ] Mary ["Ashre, Ashre" ] Re: Crucify (live) [agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby)] happy worker [Jeannie Cook ] Re: Asherah, Muhammad, etc. [Richard Holmes ] I need help finding rare Tori Songs! [Lady Eorann ] About the UK Past The Mission single (fwd) [Lady Eorann ] Re: Fool On the Hill [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] Toys [Alicia ] Mary ["Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." ] Re: Mary [ANaStAsla@aol.com] Re: Mary [Laloo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AstroKitty@aol.com Subject: re: nishiki in the utp songbook (on the bells page) it reads: "sometimes but not very often i journey to this place of bells i know i'm there when i see blue floodlights and i have no hunger for anything, husks of wedding dresses, horse carts, silver liberty churches--anything that i associate with bells remains unharvested until when i journey to this dimension of bells where i hear them like they never tasted before" ...and bells for her was recorded in one take, an improv song... tori said that she had to play the tape back and write down the words so she would know what to sing because she couldn't remember any of them. just thought i'd mention this since we're on the bells subject... then later in the songbook, by icicle, it reads: "sakura sakura yayoi no sora wa miwatsu kagiri"... i thought maybe this chant (or whatever it is) had something to do with nishiki. (?) does anyone know what the translation of that is? or what language it's in? i think i remember reading about it somewhere, long ago... one of my friends actually thought the beginning of bells for her was some other language until he looked in the booklet. i didn't answer the question, but maybe i enlightened a few people. :) - -megan- Shameless Web Page Plug: http://members.aol.com/AstroKitty/Tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:29:45 -1000 From: "schnabeltier ( it's a real word )" Subject: Re: nishiki AstroKitty@aol.com wrote: > then later in the songbook, by icicle, it reads: "sakura sakura > yayoi no > sora wa miwatsu kagiri"... i thought maybe this chant (or whatever > it is) > had something to do with nishiki. (?) does anyone know what the > translation > of that is? or what language it's in? -megan- it's in japanese, i speak japanese, and unless someone beats me to it, I'll translate the chant thing, okay?.. I'm not shure what nishiki means, but if it's a japnese word, i'll find out..... yes, I am a lurker ;o)... gotta love usTruly, Limniad > > Shameless Web Page Plug: > http://members.aol.com/AstroKitty/Tori.htm - -- ****************************************************** * you're just an empty cage girl if you kill the bird* * www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/9386 * * visit nothing annd tell me what you found * ****************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:39:12 PDT From: "Ashre, Ashre" Subject: Mary Does anyone have lyrics to Mary? If you do, could you send them to me? Thanks :P Don't loose your cracker jacks, Staci ``````````vVv``````-ICICLE-``````vVv`````````` "He's in my pumkin PJ's." ```vVv`````````-TORI AMOS-`````````vVv``` Ashre8@hotmail.com ~*-Staci-*~ the *proud* owner and creator of: _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Ashre *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6271 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:45:32 -0400 From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: Re: Crucify (live) someone asked about a live version of "crucify" they heard on the radio. well, this could be from any number of sources. however, here are the 2 most likely: - - the only time i recall a live version of "crucify" being released officially through one of tori's record labels was in the UK limited edition cd single box for "crucify". it is unlikely that a radio station in the US would have a copy of this though. - - when tori stops by radio stations for interviews and plays a few songs, these performaces are almost always recorded. it could have just been a re-braodcast of just the song. 99x in atlanta does this way too often. i have heard tori's recording of "crucify" from her 1994 "live x" recording on the radio a million times since it originally aired. another possibility is that is was from the RAINN benefit concert from new york. that was an official promo cd by westwood one radio networks. they have also issued a few other official live concert recording of tori that included "crucify". hope this helps. - -rusty (pretending to be /nad) :P check out my web page! (updated 9/21/97) http://www.cantnot.org/rusty you just got an email from rusty, agentorange2@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:18:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeannie Cook Subject: happy worker well, lots of us have asked and several replied about tori not liking "happy worker" thanks for answering, but i was wondering if anyone had an actual quote, or can remember where they read/heard her saying this. i'd like to see what tori actually said. no offense to the paraphrasers :) thanks all, jeannie jlc9@netdoor.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Asherah, Muhammad, etc. Richard Handal, H.G., writes: > Richard Holmes said: > > > Great artists like Tori help me to better understand the feelings I > > have, and what I share with others... she seems like she pulls these > > images out of the deep dark earth, like a tree pulls up water, and puts > > them out there for us to enjoy, understand, and contemplate. > > That's exactly the way I feel, too. This general discussion has come up > recently in private mail I've done. I definitely think even *she* doesn't > know all of what she's talking about quite as much as many fans might > think. Bob Dylan is this way, too. And Tori herself has said that once > she's written something, that she will sometimes discover things in the > lyrics she didn't know were there at first. That's what I do when I write poetry - it just comes and I figure it out later -- of course other times I know full well what it is I'm intending -- but there always is a chance for surprise. > I think that goes to show how much she's able to tap into her > subconscious. She's able to allow things to come out of her directly from > deep inside, and then once it's out, she has to look at it just like the > rest of us do to figure out much of it. Kinda like dream interpretation. > That's not always the case, but regularly. This effect is true not only > for the one-take songs that have come out of her in the studio, but, also, > some of the most incredible music would just *pour* out from her in > concert on the better nights. She seems to do it effortlessly. The shamans and druids both used to tap the unconscious to get their poems and songs - the typical scenario being a) go through some preparation and wait for the song to arrive (often involving fasting, drugs, sleep deprivation, and/or ordeals to suffer), receive the song (from spirit ally / inner self / guide), and then perform the song for the tribe (or sometimes keep as a "personal" song). These were committed to memory of course, writing not being the norm. In response to your comment that you'd like to see a whole show released, I definitely agree here. - -Richard @ \@/ @ | Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ \|/ @ | "Dream the dark, dance the dawn, live the dream!" @ , , | , , @ ' ' ' ' ' @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Lady Eorann Subject: I need help finding rare Tori Songs! Hi everyone! I have heard of several songs Tori has recorded that I have never been able to hear, because they're usually b-sides to the more rare singles. I was wondering if anyone could help me out with any info on where I could find these, or if anyone would be so kind as to make a taped copy for me (if so, I'd pay for the tape and shipping). I feel like I'm missing out on a bit when people make references to these songs and I have no idea what they sound like! These are the songs: 1) "Humpty Dumpty" 2) "Thoughts" 3) "Mary" 4) "Ode To The Banana King (pt. 1)" 5) "If 6 Was 9" 6) "Strange Fruit" I'm sure there are more I can't recall right now, but these are the ones I keep hearing about and haven't heard. Any help would be _greatly_ appreciated! Thanks a million in advance! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! LE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Tori's Religious beliefs "Michael L. Whitehead" writes: > There are other, more modern > ways of defining Christianity however, and in that case, the situation is > certainly open for debate. But Tori does not seem to accept Jesus as a > savior, which is how many (but not all) people would define Christianity. I agree with most of what you say here, but some ways of defining "Christianity" says that Jesus is a savior, as are all of us. We are all "Christs". Alice Walker, in "The Temple of my Familiar", one of the characters who was contemporary with Christ is being remembered, and the comment was " 'A christ', she called him." or something like that. This makes it clear that Christ wouldn't have to deny himself pleasure - -- indeed, pleasure being sacred, he would need this experience to be fully "a Christ". Speaking of Tori and Alice Walker, the novel, "Possessing the Secret of Joy", the Olinka myth which was so frightening appears to be drawn from an account with a member of the Dogon tribe, which justifies female genital mutilation via this set of myths. The book where you can read the whole myth is called "Conversations with Ogotemmeli" by Marcel Griaule - I've not read the actual book, but many quotes are in Judy Grahn's "Blood, Bread, and Roses: How Menstruation Created the World", which is a collection of creation myths, and rituals associated with female puberty, which proposes the theory in the title. The book is a wealth of collected knowledge, but a bit disappointing so far in that some of the patriarchal assumptions are not challenged - for those interested in this subject, get "The Great Cosmic Mother" by Monica Sjoo and Barbara Moore (prepare to have a lot of assumptions turned upside down in this book), and go to the relevant chapters, and other books on this subject are referenced (though this book ought to keep you busy for a while). I'm about 1/3 of the way through the Grahn book, so I'm not sure what my opinion will be in the end... Music, Moonlight, and Magic! - -Richard. @ - Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ @ \@/ "...You drink strength from your dark fierce roots @ | and you hang at the sun's own fiery breast @ \|/ and with the green cities of your boughs @ | you shelter and celebrate @ , , | , , woman, with the cauldrons of your energies @ ' ' ' ' ' burning red, burning green." @ - from "The Twelve-Spoked Wheel Flashing" by Marge Piercy @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Lady Eorann Subject: About the UK Past The Mission single (fwd) Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Lady Eorann To: precious_things@smoe.org Subject: About the UK Past The Mission single Hi again everyone! I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on a CD my boyfriend gave me this weekend. It's a UK single for Past the Mission and says "Disc 2 of 2" on the front. It's got three live tracks ("Winter," "waitress" and "Here.in my head"). What I really want to know is how rare is this, if at all? I've personally never seen it before ever, and he won't tell me where he got it. I have no Tori rarities, and I would be so glad to know whether this is at all rare (Just because I'd like to say I own at least ONE Tori rarity). :) Thanks a lot for any info! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! LE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Quinn024@aol.com Subject: Re: happy worker Hey- >well, lots of us have asked and several replied about tori not liking >"happy worker" >thanks for answering, but i was wondering if anyone had an actual quote, >or can remember where they read/heard her saying this. i'd like to see <>what tori actually said. no offense to the paraphrasers :) >thanks all, >jeannie >jlc9@netdoor.com The only place I have seen a reference to Tori's dislike of the song Happy Workers was in Paul Campbell's Collectibles book where it says: "Tori performs The Happy Worker [on the Toys Soundtrack]. Tori was extremely unhappy with the final mix of this track, written and produced by Trevor Horn, and refused to allow a planned CD Single to be released." Hope this was of some help... Peace, NeilQuinn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary All bee side lyrics from her piano book ,including Mary, can be found on my web page "Tori's Craft of the Piano" http://members.aol.com/AnastasLa/tori.html just take the link that is titled Bee Sides..... and all of the lyrics are right there. Love, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Thanks a lot! Hi everyone! I got such an overwhleming response to my post asking for help finding rare Tori songs that i was simply amazed! Thank you all for being so sweet and offering to help me out. Everyone has been so nice, that now I'm not so timid about aking for help on the 'net. Thanks a million for all your help! :) hugs and kisses to you all! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! LE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:38:00 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: Fool On the Hill On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 WeirdyBoi@aol.com wrote: > My "Fool on the hill" recording has tori singing about umm... > "you know about the fool on the hill, spinning 'round, spinning 'round. i > know that fool on the hill, he's spinning 'round, and (something), Georgia > girl" > Is there another? I hear no Kate in this.... > -j'ason > Sounds like the McCartney / Beatles song to me. If folks are interested I could post the full lyrics (from the Magical Mystery Tour album sleeve) on the list so we can try and sort this out. Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:35:15 GMT From: Alicia Subject: Toys I've never seen Toys, but my father did and he *thinks* he say Tori acting as a doll in one scene. To all the people who did see it, is this true? thanks, - -alicia "tears on my pillow, of course they're not mine..." Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." Subject: Mary Hey All-- I've got a question about Mary and the lyrics thereof. I'm not asking about the entire song, but rather a particular lyric: when Tori sings, "What do we do when our babies scream? Fill their mouths with some ____ rain!" Is she singing "magic rain" or "acid rain"? I've been to several sites in the past and even they have conflicting information. I believe in the "Bee Sides" song book it says "acid rain" (although I could be wrong.) If anyone knows for sure, please let me know. This lyric has been messing with my head ever since someone told me that it was "magic" (I'm personally of the opinion that it's "acid"). Anywho, thanks in advance. Take care, all! PEACE! Peace, Love, and the Goddess-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visiBIlity!| ------------- "Usually they sprinkle a few drops "Once you're friends with of water on your head; sad, you don't need to in my case, they held my head under be afraid of her anymore." for thirteen fucking years." -Tori Amos -Tori Amos Everybody is somebody else's weirdo! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary That is what the Bee Sides Book says....... ACID rain Love, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:50:47 -0300 From: Laloo Subject: Re: Mary Mark wrote: >sings, "What do we do when our babies scream? Fill their mouths with some >____ rain!" Is she singing "magic rain" or "acid rain"? I've been to I haven't read the lyrics to Mary anywhere, but I have listened to it and it was always clear for me that it was "acid rain" .. anyway my ear is more used to spanish so.. I would appreciate if somebody could send me their take on mary so I can compare notes and fill in the blanks ;) un beso laura ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #269 *************************************