From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #259 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 259 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "Girl" [Lady Eorann ] Re: "Girl" [A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline ] Re: Boosendorfer [Chloe Sparkle ] Re: Tori's House ["Karen, Goddess of the Groove" ] Tori & Friends... ["Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." ] Re: Tori's House ["Karen, Goddess of the Groove" ] Re: Tori's House [Jennifer Gerbi ] Re: Tori's House [ANaStAsla@aol.com] Re: "Girl" [Roguevouge@aol.com] Re: Re: "Girl" ["Raven's Call" ] Re: Re: Re: yet another distant storm question ["Raven's Call" ] Re: Tori & Friends... ["Ashre, Ashre" ] Re: Tori's House [Charlie Poole ] Re: "Girl" [RAINN18@aol.com] Re: Tori & Friends... [RAINN18@aol.com] Re: Tori's House [Charlie Poole ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 01:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Lady Eorann Subject: Re: "Girl" On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 KKLEIN@Athena.valpo.edu wrote: > oh goodness I've made a blooper. > I've been horribly confused. > Please forgive my random act of tori stupidity. All is forgiven, we all have brain farts sometimes! ;) > I would guess then that it is Eric Rosse in the background The CD booklet says Tori did the background vocals, and doesn't list anyone else. My guess is that they recorded her singing separate parts and then messed around with them on a mixing board or what-have-you. I'm not that familiar with the mechanics of voice manipulation, but I believe that's possible (if not, tell me how they did the Chipmunk's voices? Huh, Huh?? ;) )-- and I actually think that's what they did on "little earthquakes" for that low voice (which always gives me goosebumps). Feel free to fill me in if my guess is all wrong! Bright Blessings and Lollipops! Yvette. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Definitions are limiting. Limitations are deadening. To limit oneself is a kind of suicide. To limit another is a kind of murder. To limit poetry is a Hiroshima of the human spirit." --Tom Robbins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline Subject: Re: "Girl" On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Lady Eorann wrote: > The CD booklet says Tori did the background vocals, and doesn't list > anyone else. My guess is that they recorded her singing separate parts > and then messed around with them on a mixing board or what-have-you. I'm > not that familiar with the mechanics of voice manipulation, but I believe > that's possible (if not, tell me how they did the Chipmunk's voices? Huh, > Huh?? ;) )-- and I actually think that's what they did on "little > earthquakes" for that low voice (which always gives me goosebumps). Feel > free to fill me in if my guess is all wrong! It's pretty easy to do--all you have to do is slow the voice down. I've always loved that part on Little Earthquakes. I love most the way there's this deep, chanting, male voice, and Tori's kinda quiet in the background, and she keeps getting louder and louder while the droning male voice gets quieter and less oppressive, and by the end of that section, it's only Tori singing. It's kind of a metaphor for the whole song, wrapped up there in a minute or two of singing. I'm crawling out from under your thumb. I'm crawling out from under your voice. Give my own back to me. Fine, i'll take my own back then. After something like five or six years, that part STILL gets to me. -=-laurie, who can occasionally spell her own name correctly. but not often. ___________________________________________________________________ | I will lash out dancing like a mad man when you're gone, | | I will spit the blue flame and hurl my glass against the wall. | | I will hear your name called out from a boom box. | | I will hear your name called out from passing cars. | | -=-that would be soul coughing | ___________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: A Wee Little Girl With a Can of Gasoline Subject: Re: BT and other non-Tori junk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 AstroKitty@aol.com wrote: > And if I'm not totally out > of it here, didn't a techno group called Tangerine Dream use samples from > Precious Things? If so, their album ("Tournado"-- woo-hoo! another tori > connection, kinda) is coming out Sept. 30. I wouldn't know if T.Dream used Tori samples, but i don't think they did. They're also not really a techno group at all. I mean, maybe they are leaning that way these days, but as of their last couple of albums, they were still electronic/new age/ambient music. The band's been around for a really long time, and is great. I particularly recommend the album Phaedra. Yeah. Tangerine Dream. BTW, Chris Franke (one of the members/ex-members/occasional member again of TDream) does the soundtrack music for Babylon 5. I hate the show, but i have to admit that it has a great soundtrack! Sorry for the non-Tori stuff. I just love tangerine dream, that's all. -=-laurie ___________________________________________________________________ | I will lash out dancing like a mad man when you're gone, | | I will spit the blue flame and hurl my glass against the wall. | | I will hear your name called out from a boom box. | | I will hear your name called out from passing cars. | | -=-that would be soul coughing | ___________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: "Girl" Maybe its just me, but i only hear tori in 'Girl'. She is doing the part in different tones of her voice all mixed to together (IMO). Anyway, that is what i hear and have always thought that! angie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:05:34 PDT From: "Josh Kostka" Subject: Re: Tori's House I have Tori's snail-mail address c/o Spivak Entertainment: Tori Amos C/O Spivak Entertainment 11845 West Olympic Blvd., Ste. 1125 Los Angelos, CA 90064 I also got her home address from celebrity page, but I'm not sure if it would be proper to post that up here. Why don't you guys tell me if I'm allowed to post it or not. - -Josh- OzymandiaZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:13:59 -0700 From: Chloe Sparkle Subject: Re: Boosendorfer Jenn0312@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-14 15:10:44 EDT, Torifile@aol.com writes: > > << Ok, Ive been looking everywhere for a Boosendorfer Piano. Then, come to > find out there is only one in the state of Tennesee and it is $99,000!!!!! > I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and > EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. > >> > I've heard that the piano in the BfP booklet wasn't a Bosendorfer. It was a > Stanwick (or something like that). Tori said she couldn't burn a Bosey. Who > can blame her? > ~*jenn*~ I asked Tori about the burning piano shot. She said, "It was only a Kawai, don't worry." Then she told this really intresting story about the symbolism of the buring piano, but that's another post. =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Karen, Goddess of the Groove" Subject: Re: Tori's House On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Josh Kostka wrote: > I have Tori's snail-mail address c/o Spivak Entertainment: > Tori Amos > C/O Spivak Entertainment > 11845 West Olympic Blvd., Ste. 1125 > Los Angelos, CA 90064 Your best bet is to send mail to Spivak OR in care of the fan club, Really Deep Thoughts. They handle all her mail, so if you send it to Spivak, it'll eventually end up at RDT, being taken care of by Richard and Missy Caldwell. > I also got her home address from celebrity page, but I'm not sure if it > would be proper to post that up here. Why don't you guys tell me if I'm > allowed to post it or not. I would *not* post her home address. We never know who is reading this list and who would use this information to stalk her, etc. I'm not trying to insult the readership of this list, but this is something we should always take into account. Also, Tori deserves a refuge, a home where she can relax and have time away from everyone. Let's at least give her *that*. ***Please*** do not post the address. - -Karen karenjw@one.net \ sometimes you kick the goddess of \ sometimes you get the groove \ kicked - inxs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Biscomb, or so they say..." Subject: Tori & Friends... In response to Alicia wishing she had some guy friends who liked Tori... YOU'RE RIGHT! It's hard enough finding people of any gender around here who are *anywhere* nearly as passionate about Tori as I am. Sure, I've got a few friends who have UtP, but you're right. It's hard to find people who are really into Tori. A *real* knowledge of Tori is almost a prerequisite for any romantic interests for me and I just kan't seem to find the right people. (Does this sound as choppy as it did as I was writing it? Forgive me...) Peace, Love, and the Goddess-- Mark ______________________________________________________________________________ | increase | |visiBIlity!| ------------- "Usually they sprinkle a few drops "Once you're friends with of water on your head; sad, you don't need to in my case, they held my head under be afraid of her anymore." for thirteen fucking years." -Tori Amos -Tori Amos Everybody is somebody else's weirdo! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:39:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jennifer Gerbi Subject: Re: Tori's House On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Josh Kostka wrote: > > Your best bet is to send mail to Spivak OR in care of the fan club, Really > Deep Thoughts. They handle all her mail, so if you send it to Spivak, > it'll eventually end up at RDT, being taken care of by Richard and Missy > Caldwell. Someone remind me- isn't this the fan club that is now nonexistent (based in FL that owes lots of people money and got totally screwed up) or is this something else? I have to say, that she probably doesn't get anything that is sent to the fan club, since they seem to be too deluged with it all, and they would answer it, not Tori, so that doens't solve the problem. I think your best bet would be to write your note, and hand it to her when she meets people for the next tour. If it is crazy she will likely not be able to do the longer meet 'n greets she did before, but you will probably have a chance to at least hand it to her, and I heard her say at chicago that she reads all the things she gets. Making it shorter increases the probability of getting read, I am sure. I mean, lets be realistic- she probably doesn't have time to read ANY of her fan mail. i hate the thought that someone put a lot of time into writing something, and mails it, when it is probably either never going to be read, or read by someone it was not intended for. I'm wondering, what about sending it to her other "manager"- her dad? He seems to handle all the other little bits of technical stuff with her, would that be appropriate? I do know that if you are interested in getting the rights of one of her songs for a school project or something, he's the one you end up dealing with, so if the message is about stuff like that it is appropriate. lastly, not only is the "real address" of where she lives probably incorrect, since she has been moving around, give me a break. She already spends more time with us than ANY OTHER performer I have ever known. I know that sometimes you are dying to tell her something, but sometimes we need to find other ways or other things to use as an outlet. -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Karen, Goddess of the Groove" Subject: Re: Tori's House On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jennifer Gerbi wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > > Your best bet is to send mail to Spivak OR in care of the fan club, Really > > Deep Thoughts. They handle all her mail, so if you send it to Spivak, > > it'll eventually end up at RDT, being taken care of by Richard and Missy > > Caldwell. > > Someone remind me- isn't this the fan club that is now nonexistent (based > in FL that owes lots of people money and got totally screwed up) or is > this something else? They have had a hard time keeping up, because they have been so deluged with requests, but they have an explanation on their web site and AFAIK, working towards getting things settled with everyone involved. The Caldwells are the only ones that work at RDT, in their spare time and IIRC, with little compensation. Give 'em a break. Visit http://www.concentric.net/~rdtzine/ for more details. > I have to say, that she probably doesn't > get anything that is sent to the fan club, since they seem to be too > deluged with it all, and they would answer it, not Tori, so that doens't > solve the problem. They try to refer fans asking for help (to get out of an abusive relationship or after a rape or something like that...) to RAINN or to other services that can care for those individuals. I remember reading that Tori is in contact with the folks at RDT and I'm sure that they forward notable letters and gifts along. There's just no way that Tori could answer everyone's letters personally. So she lets Richard and Missy, who she trusts, read them and do what they can. I don't think this is unreasonable. At least if you write a letter, you know that someone related to Tori is reading it and that they understand and can help you if you need it. It's much better than wondering if your letter got thrown away. > I think your best bet would be to write your note, and hand it to her when > she meets people for the next tour. I agree that this may be the most effective way of getting something to her. [snip] > probability of getting read, I am sure. I mean, lets be realistic- she > probably doesn't have time to read ANY of her fan mail. i hate the thought > that someone put a lot of time into writing something, and mails it, when > it is probably either never going to be read, or read by someone it was > not intended for. Like I said, I think she reads as much as she can and as much as is made available to her, by Spivak or the fan club. My personal experience with Spivak is that they handle her as a client and do not neccesarily care to deal with her fan base. I worked on the t-shirt for the last ToriCon and I'll tell you, Spivak was a pain in the ass to deal with. And our proceeds were going to charity - we made that clear. They *still* were not friendly and seemed unwilling to work with us on anything. At least the people at RDT *care* and are fans themselves. Who says that they are NOT going to pass your letter on to Tori? You just don't know that. You can't send a fan letter off these days assuming that a) it will be read or b) that it will be read by the person it was intended for. If you assume this, you are just naive. Care to jump in here, Mr. Handal? ;) > I'm wondering, what about sending it to her other "manager"- her dad? He > seems to handle all the other little bits of technical stuff with her, > would that be appropriate? I don't think so. How many people are capable of getting that address? I mean, her parents are older and may not have the time to deal with a fury of requests. I say unless it's just life or death, don't bother them. Let them live in peace. > I do know that if you are interested in getting > the rights of one of her songs for a school project or something, he's the > one you end up dealing with, so if the message is about stuff like that it > is appropriate. I *really* doubt the accuracy of this statement. I'm 99.9% sure that you would be referred to Spivak. I corresponded with both Scott Berkowitz, the director of RAINN, and Debbie Andrews, who I *think* is the assistant director, during the spring regarding the t-shirts for ToriCon. We wanted to use the RAINN logo and 800-number on the back of the shirt. Scott liked the shirt and was willing to let us use their logos, since we had donated $200 to RAINN last year and were intending to do the same this next year, etc. (BTW - ToriCon profits AND the silent auction we did raised about $2000 for RAINN this year!!!) Anyway, Scott asked me to run the design by the people at Spivak and get permision to use Tori's likeness. When I first contacted them, I was referred to Kari Jaffee (who is credited in the Lifetime special...) and her tone was that we had to fax something in writing and it was a formality. Well, they declined permission. Despite dropping Scott and Debbie's names (with their support, of course) and putting it in writing, they said no. We, me and the ToriCon organizers, sent another fax, clarifying our position and followed the fax up with a couple of calls. Finally, they relented, but it took persistance and *we* had to track *them* down and discuss it. The point of this long-winded story is two-fold. 1) Spivak is not *able*, both willing or capable, apparently, to deal with fan requests. They work for Tori and they work with big shots. Their attitude, in my opinion, is that we were not NBC, Atlantic, Pepsi, or MTV. We were not important. We were *just* fans. This is depressing, considering Tori's love for her fan base and her attitude that we are friends, "ears with feet", not *just* fans. 2) I believe that Tori's father would refer you to Spivak. Even if Tori herself had given us permission to use her photo on the shirt, she prolly would have had to consult her manager, because according to Spivak, there are several merchandisers that have contracts with them and Spivak could just break them on a special case like ours. It's almost easier to just use what you need and deal with the consequences later. But the ToriCon organizers are trying to establish much-needed ties with Atlantic and Spivak, so they have to keep in contact. Someone using a quote or a song for a school project is probably within "Fair Use" copyright guidelines and would not be subject to legal action, since they are using the material for educational purposes. At least that is my take on the law. (And I have worked with it before.) This is MUCH different than someone deciding that making a teeshirt using one of the Palmano photos from the CD booklet would be a great project and a way to make some extra cash. There are serious legal issues there. Whew...this has gotten much longer than I intended. Sorry. > lastly, not only is the "real address" of where she lives probably > incorrect, since she has been moving around, give me a break. She already > spends more time with us than ANY OTHER performer I have ever known. I > know that sometimes you are dying to tell her something, but sometimes we > need to find other ways or other things to use as an outlet. -j I agree with you, Jennifer. Give the woman some rest. She gives of herself more than most musicians EVER do. Let the albums, the interviews, the TV/radio appearances, and the pre-sound check meetings be enough. - -Karen -------- karenjw@one.net ----------------------- "personally, i prefer to believe in little objects rather than in a big blurry thing. it's more original, if nothing else." -amanda filipacchi "nude men" ---- http://w3.one.net/~karenjw/welcome.html ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:22:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jennifer Gerbi Subject: Re: Tori's House On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jennifer Gerbi wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > > > Your best bet is to send mail to Spivak OR in care of the fan club, Really > > > Deep Thoughts. They handle all her mail, so if you send it to Spivak, > > > it'll eventually end up at RDT, being taken care of by Richard and Missy > > > Caldwell. > > > > Someone remind me- isn't this the fan club that is now nonexistent (based > > in FL that owes lots of people money and got totally screwed up) or is > > this something else? > > They have had a hard time keeping up, because they have been so deluged > with requests, but they have an explanation on their web site and AFAIK, > working towards getting things settled with everyone involved. The > Caldwells are the only ones that work at RDT, in their spare time and > IIRC, with little compensation. Give 'em a break. HEY. calm down there. Then they weren't the ones I was thinking of. The OTHER fan club.. in florida.. run by the guy who flaked out or something.. that's the one I was thinking of. I'm looking on Mikewhy's site now to try to find the name... ach it isn't there anymore. it's in the cd booklets. > They try to refer fans asking for help (to get out of an abusive > relationship or after a rape or something like that...) to RAINN or to > other services that can care for those individuals. I remember reading > that Tori is in contact with the folks at RDT and I'm sure that they > forward notable letters and gifts along. There's just no way that Tori > could answer everyone's letters personally. So she lets Richard and Missy, > who she trusts, read them and do what they can. I don't think this is > unreasonable. It is unreasonable for someone to think that something they write for tori is automatically going to get to her. I agree that some sort of situation has to be set up by which the mail can be received and hopefully read, and people referred to places, etc. But honestly, I'll bet cha tori really doesn't get much of that. She's writing, moving, recording. > > At least if you write a letter, you know that someone related to Tori is > reading it and that they understand and can help you if you need it. It's > much better than wondering if your letter got thrown away. I think that if more people *knew* exactly who was going to read it, and how it is handled, that that would be a better thing and people could taylor their messages and questions that way. I just know from posts on rmta, etc, that there are a lot of kids out there that think when they write to Spivak or something, that tori automatically reads it. I don't think it is fair that they are led to believe that. > Like I said, I think she reads as much as she can and as much as is made > available to her, by Spivak or the fan club. well, sure, I'm not knocking tori or the fan club. I'm saying it is probably not humanly possible to deal with fan mail when you are recording an album and living a life. At least when she is touring maybe a fun letter or gift given to her can give some smiles when she's hanging out in a hotel somewhere. > At least the people at RDT *care* and are fans themselves. Who says that > they are NOT going to pass your letter on to Tori? You just don't know I'm not insinuating that. i am insunuating that Tori is probably too busy, even if the people at RDT who are doing a ton of stuff anyway could get them all read and sent. > that. You can't send a fan letter off these days assuming that a) it will > be read or b) that it will be read by the person it was intended for. If > you assume this, you are just naive. > Well there are a heck of a lot of kids assuming that, that's why I sent this note to make sure people knew what was most likely really happening. > > I'm wondering, what about sending it to her other "manager"- her dad? He > > seems to handle all the other little bits of technical stuff with her, > > would that be appropriate? > > I don't think so. How many people are capable of getting that address? I > mean, her parents are older and may not have the time to deal with a > fury of requests. I say unless it's just life or death, don't bother them. > Let them live in peace. No- you're wrong here. someone posted a little while ago that she did a film project to "butterfly". she went through some people because she had to get the rights to the *song* (not pictures or anything). The person she was referred to, and had a very pleasant phone conversation with, and who she faxed the agreement she made up to, was TORI'S DAD who acts as the manager for that stuff, and said that "we always try to help out students working on things like that. It might not have been posted to this list, maybe it was to the RDT list. So, my point was if the message is for a reason like that, you will probably end up dealing with her dad to get the rights to use the song in that way. From what you say, spivak people probably deal with all the other stuff, pictures and RAINN included. And may I just say that it really, really sucks that he was such a jerk to you, and kudos for you to keep trying and putting the time into getting those shirts made. its amazing how hard it is to give to charity sometimes, isn't it? I'm sure Tori would ahve been peeved. > > I *really* doubt the accuracy of this statement. I'm 99.9% sure that you > would be referred to Spivak. I corresponded with both Scott Berkowitz, the > director of RAINN, and Debbie Andrews, who I *think* is the assistant > director, during the spring regarding the t-shirts for ToriCon. We wanted > to use the RAINN logo and 800-number on the back of the shirt. Scott liked > > Anyway, Scott asked me to run the design by the people at Spivak and get > permision to use Tori's likeness. When I first contacted them, I was > referred to Kari Jaffee (who is credited in the Lifetime special...) and > her tone was that we had to fax something in writing and it was a > formality. Well, they declined permission. Despite dropping Scott and > Debbie's names (with their support, of course) and putting it in writing, > they said no. > > We, me and the ToriCon organizers, sent another fax, clarifying our > position and followed the fax up with a couple of calls. Finally, they > relented, but it took persistance and *we* had to track *them* down and > discuss it. Yes, so this lends support to my theory that all her dad is in charge of is the musical rights. > > The point of this long-winded story is two-fold. > > 1) Spivak is not *able*, both willing or capable, apparently, to deal with > fan requests. They work for Tori and they work with big shots. Their > attitude, in my opinion, is that we were not NBC, Atlantic, Pepsi, or MTV. > We were not important. We were *just* fans. This is depressing, > considering Tori's love for her fan base and her attitude that we are > friends, "ears with feet", not *just* fans. > Absolutely, and I'd even say that if you ever get a chance to talk with Tori, maybe get a word in edgewise a) about the Con, since I'm sure she loves to hear about that, and b) how he was a big jerk to you, because she's the only one with power to get HIM in line. > 2) I believe that Tori's father would refer you to Spivak. Even if Tori > herself had given us permission to use her photo on the shirt, she prolly > would have had to consult her manager, because according to Spivak, there > are several merchandisers that have contracts with them and Spivak could > just break them on a special case like ours. Sure... again, the merch. vs. song thing. > > It's almost easier to just use what you need and deal with the > consequences later. But the ToriCon organizers are trying to establish > much-needed ties with Atlantic and Spivak, so they have to keep in > contact. > Absolutely, and the work you guys were/are doing is really cool, and they really should be trying to help not hurt you. I mean, I think they forget who buys the records/tshirts/mugs/window accessories. They forget that people do these things... well this unique extremely strong grass-roots support is what makes Tori successful, not radio or videos or anything, and it is obvious Tori knows this (re: quote from Boulder show) but obviously he doesn't, and i think Tori needs to whoop his ass. > Someone using a quote or a song for a school project is probably within > "Fair Use" copyright guidelines and would not be subject to legal action, > since they are using the material for educational purposes. At least that > is my take on the law. (And I have worked with it before.) > To make a film of the whole song, she needed to get the rights, and it was also part of the assignment to get the rights. I wish I remembered her name so she coudl reforward the story to this list- it was really cool. Now, as an aside, in that 99x interview she said she was goign to be recording in stables in England. Just as the church for bfp, I'm sure this is goign to so uniquely affect the sound and AAARRRGGGHH i can hardly wait, but I need to get a grip since it is still like 8 months away. whew. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's House > I also got her home address from celebrity page, but I'm not sure if it > would be proper to post that up here. Why don't you guys tell me if I'm > allowed to post it or not. I would *not* post her home address. We never know who is reading this list and who would use this information to stalk her, etc. I'm not trying to insult the readership of this list, but this is something we should always take into account. Also, Tori deserves a refuge, a home where she can relax and have time away from everyone. Let's at least give her *that*. ***Please*** do not post the address. -Karen karenjw@one.net \ sometimes you kick the goddess of \ sometimes you get the groove \ kicked - inxs >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THINK about this people....if her address was printed on some kind of celebrity page, then don't you think that its being spread around anyway? Love, Josh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You don't have to justify everything. Being pissed off is just absolutely okay." - -Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Roguevouge@aol.com Subject: Re: "Girl" In a message dated 97-09-16 10:47:07 EDT, RAINN18@aol.com writes: << Maybe its just me, but i only hear tori in 'Girl'. She is doing the part in different tones of her voice all mixed to together (IMO). Anyway, that is what i hear and have always thought that! angie >> i feel the same way Holly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:16:13 -0700 From: "Raven's Call" Subject: Re: Re: "Girl" >Maybe its just me, but i only hear tori in 'Girl'. She is doing the part in >different tones of her voice all mixed to together (IMO). Anyway, that is >what i hear and have always thought that! > >angie I understand what that perosn mentioned. If you listen to the layered part (fast part), it sounds like a male singing background... It might be Tori but I'm not sure. Raven - --- - -Life is like a messy room. --Raven's Call - -Emotions are the one true language in which we as humans fail to understand. --Raven's Call - -Moses I know, I know you've seen the fire, but you've never seen the fire, until you've seen a Pele blow.. --Tori Amos, Muhammad My Friend, Boys for Pele ----- ----- / \*/ \ / /^\ \ - -Wind Beneath Thy Wings... from Ravens.call@mailexcite.com > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:37:49 -0700 From: "Raven's Call" Subject: Re: Re: Re: yet another distant storm question the URL for the Eat my MP3 the last time I was there was: http://talula.simplenet.com/mp3/ I haven't been there in a while though.. you could also try using metacrawler to find "Eat my MP3" as a phrase. raven - --- - -Life is like a messy room. --Raven's Call - -Emotions are the one true language in which we as humans fail to understand. --Raven's Call - -Moses I know, I know you've seen the fire, but you've never seen the fire, until you've seen a Pele blow.. --Tori Amos, Muhammad My Friend, Boys for Pele ----- ----- / \*/ \ / /^\ \ - -Wind Beneath Thy Wings... from Ravens.call@mailexcite.com >RE: tori in china 'o brien film > >> >You must have just seen the clip of the film where the song was used, >> >that's all I can figure. >> >> Yeah, I downloaded a copy of it from Eat my MP3 (which by the way has MAN tori songs...) >> and that's the ONLY place i've seen it. >> >> raven > >could you give the URL for that? -j > > Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Karen, Goddess of the Groove" Subject: Re: Tori's House Could you please attribute when you're posting? I know it's difficult to do with with AOL's editor, but you can do this manually. It will save future confusion. Thanks. :) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 ANaStAsla@aol.com wrote: [Josh wrote this] > > I also got her home address from celebrity page, but I'm not sure if it > > would be proper to post that up here. Why don't you guys tell me if I'm > > allowed to post it or not. [I wrote this] > I would *not* post her home address. We never know who is reading this > list and who would use this information to stalk her, etc. I'm not trying > to insult the readership of this list, but this is something we should > always take into account. > > Also, Tori deserves a refuge, a home where she can relax and have time > away from everyone. Let's at least give her *that*. > > ***Please*** do not post the address. [snip .sig] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > THINK about this people....if her address was printed on some kind of > celebrity page, then don't you think that its being spread around anyway? That does *not* mean that we, her fans, have to approve of that or take advantage of it just because it's out there. Just because we can *get* information like that DOES NOT mean it's ok to use it. We should be *against* reposting it or using it. Many of us don't want *our* addresses put on the WWW or Usenet or whatever, so we should extend the same courtesy to Tori. Would you want someone showing up at your front door, someone you didn't know, asking to speak with you when you were busy or whatever? Would you want someone getting your phone number without your knowledge and calling you? No. You want your privacy. Give Tori the privacy she deserves. Geez...I am not trying to sound like a bitch here, but I really feel strongly about this. - -Karen | | | | | karenjw@one.net | | | | | | i'm sensitive and i'd like to | | stay that way - jewel | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:56:36 PDT From: "Ashre, Ashre" Subject: Re: Tori & Friends... It's not just that you kant find anyone with an accurate knowledge of Tori, I KANT FIND ANYONE!!! There are absolutely no people in Delaware (the state, not the county) that like her, or have even heard of her. It's such a shame that no one knows about her, but it's kinda cool that she's not as swarmed as Nirvana. (i-o-w you can say that you are individual, because everyone likes Nirvana). Well.. should go update my page now. Off then [he he (it's from a Monty Python)] Don't loose your cracker jacks, Staci ``````````vVv``````````vVv``````-ICICLE-``````vVv``````````vVv`````````` "Getting off, getting off, while there all downstairs" ```vVv``````````vVv`````````-TORI AMOS-`````````vVv``````````vVv``` Ashre8@hotmail.com ~*-Staci-*~ the *proud* owner and creator of: _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Ashre *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6271 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: Tori's House On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 it was stated: > THINK about this people....if her address was printed on some kind of > celebrity page, then don't you think that its being spread around anyway? > > Love, > Josh Not only has Tori recently moved as someone else said, she has moved a number of times in the past couple of years. I think it highly unlikely that the address listed on some celebrity page is Tori's or ever was. This address has already been publicly listed so I see no harm in listing it here. In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: "Girl" In a message dated 97-09-16 10:28:19 EDT, you write: << The CD booklet says Tori did the background vocals, and doesn't list > anyone else. My guess is that they recorded her singing separate parts > and then messed around with them on a mixing board >> exactly... it say background vocals- tori amos. If there was anyone else they would of mentioned him wouldnt they? they just mixed her voice. it is amazing what modern technology can do!! :) angie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori & Friends... In a message dated 97-09-16 18:47:38 EDT, you write: << It's not just that you kant find anyone with an accurate knowledge of Tori, I KANT FIND ANYONE!!! >> Me either.....i have known one girl in the five years that i have like tori that knew her and thought she was OK. other than that no one else :( And i live in chicago for god sakes!! angie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: Tori's House Hi Karen and all, On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Karen, Goddess of the Groove wrote: > That does *not* mean that we, her fans, have to approve of that or take > advantage of it just because it's out there. Just because we can *get* > information like that DOES NOT mean it's ok to use it. On the other hand, it doesn't mean that it's NOT ok to use information that is "out there" either. > We should be *against* reposting it or using it. Many of us don't want > *our* addresses put on the WWW or Usenet or whatever, so we should extend > the same courtesy to Tori. Not trying to be obtuse here but just why should we "extend the same courtesy to Tori?" For one thing Tori has made herself a "public" person unlike you and I. So the same standards don't necessarily apply. Do they? > Would you want someone showing up at your front door, someone you didn't > know, asking to speak with you when you were busy or whatever? Would you > want someone getting your phone number without your knowledge and calling > you? No. You want your privacy. I can't agree with your comparison of Tori with we, her fans. 1) If Tori is living in a place where her address or phone number _can_ be made public there's simply no way you could just walk up to her door, knock, and have Tori open the door. The door would be answered by someone else. 2) If she and her new boyfriend are living somewhere by themselves, without servants or intermediaries, neither you nor I can find out where unless Tori wants us to know. You also ask about someone getting your phone number without your permission. If you have an unlisted number you might find that call intrusive. However, if you do have an unlisted number and call me your number will show on my caller id unless you block it. If you think you or anyone else really has any privacy you're living in a delusion. Let me have your SSN (most people have it on their checks) and I can find very detailed information on you and your finances. The older you are the more information is available. Have you ever used Yahoo, Excite, Alta Vista, Webcrawler, and Four11 to do a search on your own name? Try it, you might find the results interesting. > Give Tori the privacy she deserves. This is a statement of your opinion which you, of course, are fully entitled to have and express. The same with me and everyone else on this list. Why do you believe that Tori "deserves" privacy? I know that sounds kind of dumb when asked that way, but why does anyone "deserve" privacy? I don't remember the "right to privacy" being a part of the Bill of Rights. > Geez...I am not trying to sound like a bitch here, but I really feel > strongly about this. That's ok Karen, you don't sound like a bitch and it's ok that you feel strongly on this issue. I wish more people felt strongly period! And were willing to express their opinions. Please don't think that I disagree with you. I'm just curious as to the reasons for your feelings. No, I don't believe that Tori would appreciate someone knocking on her door uninvited. But, again, I don't believe that she can be "found" that easily. In another message you wrote: > I agree with you, Jennifer. Give the woman some rest. She gives of herself > more than most musicians EVER do. Let the albums, the interviews, the > TV/radio appearances, and the pre-sound check meetings be enough. I, too, agree. Tori gives so much of herself. How many other musicians with Tori's popularity do "meet-and-greets" before (and especially after) their concerts? I don't know of any although there may be some. But I don't think we need to worry about "giving" Tori some rest. Tori is very much a person who attends to her own needs. If she needs rest she'll both demand and get it regardless of anything we do. During the LE tour it was common for Tori to speak with her fans after a concert for three or four hours. When that became a burden she cut the time she spent chatting. Don't take me wrong, please. I appreciate your concern for Tori and I think your feelings are well placed. However, if there's a person anywhere who can take care of herself, it's Tori. Hugs. In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #259 *************************************