From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #257 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, September 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori's Religious Beliefs [Richard Handal ] Boosendorfer [Torifile@aol.com] Re: Boosendorfer [Jenn0312@aol.com] Re: Boosendorfer [Googleplex ] Re: Boosendorfer ["Karen, Goddess of the Groove" ] Re: Boosendorfer [ANaStAsla@aol.com] Re: Boosendorfer [RAINN18@aol.com] Re: Bösendorfer [Fonty ] Re: Bösendorfer [ANaStAsla@aol.com] Re:bosendorfers [rain ] Re: Boosendorfer [AstroKitty@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stainway_=26_B=F6sendorfer?= [Laura Subject: Re: Tori's Religious Beliefs Hi, All: The question of Tori's personal religious beliefs was posed here a number of weeks back and no one answered. And although some folks have discussed some specific aspects of personal belief that Tori has talked about, no one has mentioned whether or not Tori considers herself, for example, a Christian. One can be a devout believer in Christ as one's personal savior without going to church or even believing in the specific doctrine of, say, the United Methodist church in which Tori was raised. Not only does Tori seem not to discuss the details of her personal religion--assuming she ascribes to one--she's rather coy about it in comments she makes from time to time. This is a quote from the August 29, 1996 issue of the Rochester (New York) Democrat and Chronicle. Thanks to Kimmy for providing this article. "I get a lot of response from the religion people," she says. "They ask me, 'Why don't you like Jesus?' And I say to them, 'Now how do you get the impression I don't like Jesus? Maybe I have margaritas every Tuesday night with him. I was just writing down my thoughts about him this morning." I recalled that at some shows I saw last year, she addressed the concept of some people giving her a hard time for "hating Jesus" and such, and the show I remembered specifically where she addressed this from the stage was San Jose, California, on July 14. I didn't recall exactly what she said on this topic at the San Jose show, so I went to Mike Whitehead's amazingly useful web site and checked for any "quotes" from fan reviews on there. Here's what I came up with; and although my experience with supposed quotes from the stage has been that quite often, when compared to an actual recording of the show, they can be *extremely* inaccurate to the point of being 180 degrees wrong (which is why I *always* question all this stuff, folks, and strongly suggest everyone do likewise), this one seemed basically like what I remember: "She chatted a bit about a letter she had recently gotten from a girl who wondered why she hated Jesus so much. Tori said she didn't hate Jesus, and that in fact she thought if he was alive today, he probably wouldn't be a Christian." Violet was at that show. Was that reasonably accurate, Violet? :-) And finally, here's a quote from Tori's dad in the News and Observer newspaper, from Raleigh, North Carolina, August 11, 1996. Thanks to Nina Miller for providing this article. ___________________________________________________________________ [...] Instead, Edison Amos is surprisingly sanguine and every bit the proud father. Now a retired Methodist minister, he has been to about 20 of his daughter's concerts. he speaks with pride about her accomplishments -- and even their differences of opinion on theological matters. "Tori's opinions on religion don't necessarily jibe with mine," he allows, speaking on the phone from his home in Florida. "I would hope some wouldn't. We're each on our own faith journey, and I'm 34 years older than Tori. We both have our own belief system. One thing we have really encouraged is we can love each other without having to agree on a closed-type thought system, philosophy, science or religion. I think she's trying to get people to think about who they are, especially institutions and their treatment of women. She feels that the male hierarchy has always been in power and is trying to balance the record so that women will have equal opportunities in all phases of life. She also thinks that religious systems have been pro-male, which is a historical fact. We're very proud of her," Edison concludes. "I never get tired of listening to her; nor does her mother. ___________________________________________________________________ I'm sure the article meant to say that Tori's dad had been to 20 of Tori's concerts on the DDI tour, not a total of 20 for all of time. :-) There was an article in (I believe it was) Spin magazine two or three years ago, which speculated what a number of musicians would be doing many years from now. It was a humorous article, but Tori's entry said she was leading a religious cult. I see her as being wary of saying too many things that are specific in nature which would foster such a thing; and as much as she speaks with tremendous freedom about specific concepts on the topic of religion, it definitely seems to me that she wants nothing to do with being someone who would be put in a position of being some kind of a role model and figurehead with her personal beliefs, any more than that which happens already. I agree with Dr. Amos that "...she's trying to get people to think about who *they* are..." [Emphasis mine.] Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Torifile@aol.com Subject: Boosendorfer Ok, Ive been looking everywhere for a Boosendorfer Piano. Then, come to find out there is only one in the state of Tennesee and it is $99,000!!!!! I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jenn0312@aol.com Subject: Re: Boosendorfer In a message dated 97-09-14 15:10:44 EDT, Torifile@aol.com writes: << Ok, Ive been looking everywhere for a Boosendorfer Piano. Then, come to find out there is only one in the state of Tennesee and it is $99,000!!!!! I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. >> I've heard that the piano in the BfP booklet wasn't a Bosendorfer. It was a Stanwick (or something like that). Tori said she couldn't burn a Bosey. Who can blame her? ~*jenn*~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:17:56 +1300 From: Googleplex Subject: Re: Boosendorfer At 14:27 14/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, Ive been looking everywhere for a Boosendorfer Piano. Then, come to >find out there is only one in the state of Tennesee and it is $99,000!!!!! > I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and >EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. I think you'll find that piano was a "stage copy", worth only a coupla hundred bucks. lots of bands use them, when they want to honour ppl like The Who, Jimi Hendricks etc... Googleplex. "The latest and greatest version of the Webster's Dictionary now has an entry for Windows 95 Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition." PGP Key available on request ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Karen, Goddess of the Groove" Subject: Re: Boosendorfer On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 Torifile@aol.com wrote: > Ok, Ive been looking everywhere for a Boosendorfer Piano. Then, come to > find out there is only one in the state of Tennesee and it is $99,000!!!!! > I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and > EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. I seem to remember reading that the burning piano in the booklet that comes with BfP is not a real piano. Perhaps it's just a wooden replica. Can anyone back this up with a real quote? ;) - -Karen i see your face = karenjw@one.net i see your smile = goddess of the and it moves me = groove / diva - trina hamlin = PTW / coffeeslut ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Re: Boosendorfer Yeah you found out on my site,"Tori's Craft of The Piano" that there is only one and I think that there are now two in TN...but when I was at Austin Peay State University here in TN they told us it was a $99,000 piano...and that if we messed anything up on it we were screwed...so we were careful........on the subject of how Tori got one...think about it....how much money do you think that Tori has? and who knows maybe she has connections to some german that makes them....cos you all know that the Bosendorfers are hand made in Germany...... Love, Josh P.S. The Bosey link on my page now takes you to the Austin Peay State University Music Homepage..so you acn now see the actual Bosey that I got to play...... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: RAINN18@aol.com Subject: Re: Boosendorfer In a message dated 97-09-14 15:10:44 EDT, you write: << I dont see how Tori could burn a piano like that, that is so rare and EXPENSIVE. But of course I know she has enough money. >> I saw an interview where tori said she did in fact burn her own piano. I dont remember where or when i saw this so dont quote me on it, maybe i heard it wrong or something, but that is what i thought i heard. she also said that it takes 5 years to build this piano because it is hand made that is why it is so rare and that she purchased two of them like from london or something. anyone else heard this?? I would like to remember where i heard this!! angie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:22:42 +0200 From: Fonty Subject: Re: Bösendorfer Well, actually, they are made in Austria, which is not Germany. :) Here are some pictures from the catlogue: http://www.ptg.org/bosey.htm And I think it would break Tori=B4s heart to burn an *actual* piano. Maybe not, I don=B4t know. :) Toodles, Fonty. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: ANaStAsla@aol.com Subject: Re: Bösendorfer Sorry its just that I have heard from many sources that it is a German ma= de piano,though I may be wrong....but anyway...here is what I have heard on = the burning the piano issue....she infact DID burn a piano....but not a B=F6sendorfer....If you look in the pictures that piano she is burning is= most definetly not Nine feet long...and Tori has quoted that her B=F6sendorfer= is 9 feet..so that rules out the possiblity of it being one of those....and fr= om what I have heard the piano that she burnt was a=20 Steinway......not sure on that spelling but anyway....... Love, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:15:45 -0700 From: rain Subject: Re:bosendorfers ok...bosendorfers are made in austria, they do not have to be 9 ft long , the one burned for the album was not a boosey,it was a steinway assembly line piano so she didnt mind doing it and the reason she did do it was because she wanted to do something that people arnt supposed to do-that they cringe at. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ rain ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AstroKitty@aol.com Subject: Re: Boosendorfer I could be wrong about this one, but I think Bosendorfer may sponsor Tori... Like they might give her free pianos or at least a discount.... 'Cause in the front of the UTP or LE songbook (i cant remember which) it says "Tori Amos plays Bosendorfer pianos exclusively." That seems to me not like she's selling out but maybe they sponsor her in some way. And I played one of those babies once... They're *so* amazing. After that I vowed that I would buy one when I'm of age, disregarding all other material posessions. It'd be worth it. :) - -megan- Violent & Delicious http://members.aol.com/AstroKitty/Tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:37:50 -0300 From: Laura Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stainway_=26_B=F6sendorfer?= Hi Everyone :) Fonty wrote : >Well, actually, they are made in Austria, which is not Germany. :) That's right. In fact the B=F6sendorfer "factory" is located at a monastery (abbey [are you getting thoughts richard?]) in Austria in someplace close to Vienna. My brother *loves* pianos and pipe organs so he is quite a connoisseur. I don't have him around right now so to ask him for more info on this, but anyways it seems that being around him made me a bit informed of piano prices & brands :) BTW I think he can reply to a lot of Tori questions even if he *never* read any Tori info... I wonder were he got that from? ;) >And I think it would break Tori=B4s heart to burn an *actual* piano. >Maybe not, I don=B4t know. :) As for what I read Tori loves her "girls". If she loves her pianos as my brother loves his, she won't ever burn a piano. It's weird that some people react(in a bad way) to the piglet picture which I love...my brother reacted to the burning piano one. He doesn't like that picture at all... and people call me obsessed ;p Jenn wrote : >I've heard that the piano in the BfP booklet wasn't a Bosendorfer. It was a >Stanwick (or something like that). Tori said she couldn't burn a Bosey. Who >can blame her? Stainway & Sons pianos are along with B=F6sendorfer and Yamaha (even if Tori dislike these ones and my brother does too) the best and more expensive pianos around. Like the B=F6sendorfers the Stainways are handmade. Yamahas...mmm you know ;) A Stainway grand piano would cost around 100.000 dollars as well; and a Yamaha would cost 45.000. I guess if Tori was going to burn an expensive piano she would choose the Yamaha ;) But I think that Karen was right when she said it was a wooden replica. At least that's what my brother would like to hear :) Megan wrote: >And I played one of those babies once... They're *so* amazing. After that= I >vowed that I would buy one when I'm of age, disregarding all other material >posessions. It'd be worth it. :) You should take a trip through south-america, there's some poeple that don't appreciate the value of their "old" pianos. A quick example: Someone in my hometown (paysandu, uruguay) donated a baby-grand Scheidmeyer & sons piano from 1904 to a theatre. The theatre already had a piano so they put it in the basement... my brother found out about that piano and took care of it for a couple years. Then the theatre decided they needed the room for something else... So as they didn't have room and my brother did, they ended up lending the piano to my brother. On the contract that they made my brother sign they valued the piano in 5.000 US dollars. A german organbuilder valued it in 50.000 US dollars... so Megan, come visit me and I'll take you on a trip through Uruguay and Argentina and I bet you get a Bosey for less than you expect :) Ok now that I put everyone to sleep (even myself) I'm off to bed=20 besos Laura ps. If anyone want to contact me email me at I'll be there until the 27th :) megan should I expect you soon ;) ? _________________________________________________________________ 'How do you know I'm not having a Margarita with Jesus=20 tonight at 10 o'clock?' - Tori Amos Come join me in my dream... Margaritas With The Goddess - Margaritas Con La Diosa http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/3373/ _________________________________________________________________ When the spanish conquerors came, they had a bible and the native=20 american had land. They tought the natives how to pray with their=20 eyes closed, and when the natives opened their eyes again, they=20 had a bible and the conquerors had the land. =BF? :-\=20 ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #257 *************************************