From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #256 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, September 14 1997 Volume 02 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- yet another distant storm question [rain ] Bootleg [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] Tori's Religious Beliefs ["Michael L. Whitehead" ] Re: yet another distant storm question [Richard Handal ] Re: Bootleg ["Gucci Little Piggy" ] Re: confused toriphile [Will ] Re: confused toriphile [millennium ] Re: confused toriphile [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: confused toriphile [Charlie Poole ] Favorite Tori songs...... [madori@webtv.net (coby thornton)] Re: confused toriphile ["Ray Bailey" ] tori on food [meredith ] Re: tori on food [dee zed stroke zero one five ] Re: tori on food ["Ashre, Ashre" ] Re: Bootleg [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] Re: confused toriphile [FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:05:01 -0700 From: rain Subject: yet another distant storm question ok um so what the heck is china o'brian or conan o'brian {the two people who responded both called it different things!~} now im really confused! :) its kind of odd they would make/sell a music video for a song that never got put on an album... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ rain ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:40:29 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Bootleg I picked up this bootlef called "Ultra Rare Tori" the other, and am just wanting to know other folks opinions of it. It has 10 tracks from YKTR (which is the whole labum isn't it?) plus covers of; Ain't no Sunshine, A Case Of you, Imagine, Sentimental Journey, Little Drummer Boy, Sarah Cynthia Slyvia Stout Would Not Take the Garbage Out & Ring My Bell. There's a rather dodgy pic of her from the YKTR days on the sleeve too. Thanx Michael "So Much Philosophy Work & Oh So LIttle Time" Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 03:32:40 -0400 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: Tori's Religious Beliefs Hi all! One of the things that really draws me to Tori are her statements on religion, which very clearly mirror my own. Here is my favorite quote from her on this subject. This is from a 1994 interview with Bob Waugh on WHFS radio in Baltimore (I Think) and also appears on the cool interview CD Tea With The Waitress. This quote made me want to cheer when I first heard it. "my concept of the creator, isn't male or just female. "Just" is the key word here. It's an energy; it's a force that doesn't exclude any kind of gender. You know, I think it's so beyond gender. But what we've been taught to believe is that God, whether in Christian or Judaism or Islamic or many of the others, it's a very male, patriarchal system. And you know, this patriarchal system hasn't done so great in the last few thousand years. I mean I don't know how we can say that it's succeeding. I think that we've gotta kinda look at really where we are. Things aren't getting better. I don't know. I don't see why people are uncomfortable just to speak the truth. And if God did want to send his (quote unquote) "only son," which is a joke. What do you mean "only son?" It's like, so he picks a certain race and a certain kind of color to be his only son, and yet created all of us. No, that's *NOT* gonna' happen. That's how the story goes, but I don't believe the story. I call that god the little g. Because the god that we've been (quote unquote) "worshiping" is not, to me, the supreme creator. Anybody who needs to control and make people feel shamed and, you know, has to... This is the whole thing. It's like, "I send my only begotten son." Well, you know, that concept of sending a son, where we, as women, could, like, breastfeed him and give him milk, but he's not gonna' soil his dinky with us. What's that all about? That really bugged me. The whole concept that Jesus was, you know, not gonna' make it with a babe. What, that's gonna' make him more holy?" Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 03:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: yet another distant storm question Rain asked: > ok um so what the heck is china o'brian or conan o'brian {the two people > who responded both called it different things!~} Tori recorded vocals for a track which was used in a martial arts film made in 1988 called China O'Brien. She did not write the song (which was Distant Storm), and to get the song one must access it only from a videotape release of the film, as it was never released on a soundtrack album or anything. > its kind of odd they would make/sell a music video for a song that never > got put on an album... You must have just seen the clip of the film where the song was used, that's all I can figure. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:05:13 -0700 From: rain Subject: re:distant storm stuff ok thanks guys...yeah youre right it probably is a clip from the movie because now that i look at it ,its totally different than any music video format and its only a section of the song....thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:20:39 +0000 From: "Gucci Little Piggy" Subject: Re: Bootleg On 13 Sep 97 at 16:40, FLOOD allegedly said: > > I picked up this bootlef called "Ultra Rare Tori" the other, and am > just wanting to know other folks opinions of it. > > It has 10 tracks from YKTR (which is the whole labum isn't it?) plus > covers of; Ain't no Sunshine, A Case Of you, Imagine, Sentimental > Journey, Little Drummer Boy, Sarah Cynthia Slyvia Stout Would Not > Take the Garbage Out & Ring My Bell. There's a rather dodgy pic of > her from the YKTR days on the sleeve too. I've got this, in fact I've had it for two years. It was the first time I was able to hear YKTR before I got hold of the 'real' bootleg. The sound quality on the YKTR tracks is pretty grotty, it sounds like it's from a cassette or LP, and also sounds like it's been sped up slightly. The bonus tracks are listenable, but only just. "Ring My Bell" sounds like it's been recorded in a toilet. The CD seems to pop up everywhere though. Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Are you interested in | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du Swedish Cinema at all, Ted?" | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | Dave's Charity Shed : 'Live at The Legion' =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I put so much petrol in my car the other day, I couldn't get in it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:27:42 -0400 From: Will Subject: Re: confused toriphile aliciau@ibm.net wrote: >=20 > I'd KILL to have a guy friend who likes tori. Not to insult the other 1= 5 year olds in the list who happen to be guys and happen to like tori, bu= t guys my age (or at least the guys my age I know) are too afraid of bein= g criticized by their friends, so they would never listen to something I = like (I have a rep of liking weird girlish groups/artists is school) Not all of us are 15. I'm 33 and the friend who introduced me to Tori is 28. Good luck on the search for a musical adventurer.=20 - --=20 Will=20 - -Spam countermeasure in effect. =20 - -Remove the "not" from "noterols" to reply to me. =20 - -Thanks and I=92m sorry for the necessity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:34:24 +0000 From: millennium Subject: Re: confused toriphile Will wrote: > > aliciau@ibm.net wrote: > > > > I'd KILL to have a guy friend who likes tori. Not to insult the other 15 year olds in the list who happen to be guys and happen to like tori, but guys my age (or at least the guys my age I know) are too afraid of being criticized by their friends, so they would never listen to something I like (I have a rep of liking weird girlish groups/artists is school) > > Not all of us are 15. I'm 33 and the friend who introduced me to Tori > is 28. Good luck on the search for a musical adventurer. > > -- > Will > -Spam countermeasure in effect. > -Remove the "not" from "noterols" to reply to me. > -Thanks and I’m sorry for the necessity. I am also a guy near 30something who likes TORI's music. I know a few other guys who like her music. Good music is gender-free. Take Care, Tori Fan... Millennium ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: confused toriphile Folks, please -please- take the time to edit your messages. I've seen several different things here recently, so I'm just going to address all of 'em. 1) When you reply, please quote something so that we know what you're talking about. A one-liner addressed to someone is really meaningless. It makes sense to -you- 'cause you just finished reading the message that you're replying to. For the rest of us, though, the message isn't nearly as fresh in our minds. We may have read it 2 or 3 days ago {or more!}, and your reply doesn't give us enough information to know what you're talking about. 2) On the other end of the spectrum, don't quote -everything-. The message that spurred me to write this, in fact, was 3 screens worth of quote followed by 3 lines of reply. It doesn't take that long to cut out quotes. 3) Before you send to the list, think "does everyone on the list need to see this?" I've seen several posts here recently that really should have only gone to the person that the poster was replying to. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: confused toriphile Hi millennium and list people, On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, millennium wrote: > I am also a guy near 30something who likes TORI's music. I know a few > other guys who like her music. Good music is gender-free. To all you bubble gum chewing, teeny boppers under 40 (that's supposed to be a humorous comment so no flames please): I'm a guy who just turned 55 aged, decrepit years and I not only like Tori's music but she is the first and only musician whose music has moved me to tears, motivated me to write a fan letter, and made me desire to follow her on tour Deadhead style. Actually I was surprised to find, among the sea of teen-aged girls, many people in their 40s and 50s (some even older). The point I want to make is that music transcends age; good music even more so, and great music transcends generations. So all the discussions of age are really moot because music speaks to the heart, not the chronology. I agree with you that the same is even truer for gender based arguements. There is just not such thing (IM not so HO) as "girl" or "boy" music. If it moves you, it moves you. May all "obsessed" Tori fans find another "obsessed" fan to share Tori with them and absolutely revel in their "obsession." In Tori, Charlie - -- +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:35:12 -0600 From: madori@webtv.net (coby thornton) Subject: Favorite Tori songs...... This really is a hard one to answer!! But if I was to have to choose my favorite, it would have to be Caught A Lite Sneeze. I could never get sick of hearing that song. Ok, but from each album.......LE, Tear In Your Hand.....UTP, Cloud On My Tongue.....BFP, Caught A Lite Sneeze....B-Side, Sugar (LOVE this song)......Remix, Hey Jupiter (Dakota Version). Somebody started something about how they wished they had more male friends that liked Tori, and was older. Well, i don't know if i would consider myself *older*, cuz I am 22. And most of my friends that are guys all like Tori. There not as obsessed as I am, but they still like her a lot. I have only met one person that could not stand Tori (my ex-girlfriend...now ya know why i broke up with her. No, I'm kidding). Anyhow.....thanks for reading this exceedingly boring post. : ) You all Take Care! Coby (God Utah is so boring!) =B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1= =B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1 I Fear I Have Nothing To Give, I Have So Much To Lose In This Lonely Place---Sarah McLachlan A BOOGA BOOGA =B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1= =B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1=B1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:41:06 PDT From: "Ray Bailey" Subject: Re: confused toriphile >Folks, please -please- take the time to edit your messages. I've seen >several different things here recently, so I'm just going to address all >of 'em. >/nad Umm... sorry. This is my first time ever using a mailing list, and I'm not altogether too sure of the etiquette yet. - -Ray (aka Cochese) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Because I CANTNOT win without losing my dear." -Alanis Morissette - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Years go by, will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand?" -Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:21:02 -0400 From: meredith Subject: tori on food Hi! woj was just channel-surfing in the other room, and he happened upon a promo on eMpTV featuring Tori! She's sitting in a room talking about food, and how amazing it is that the English food is now being influenced by Indian cuisine, so "you're not just getting boiled potatoes any more. You're getting boiled potatoes with a bit of cayenne pepper!". Anybody else seen this? One of the many reasons why I love Tori: she's just so wonderfully damned random. :) Just a note from a 26-year old Tori fan whose favorite album is _BfP_ and whose favorite song is "Honey", who met Tori for the first time after seeing her play at The Iron Horse in Northampton, MA for $6 during the first week of her first-ever American tour and actually impressed her with the fact that I'd been playing her music on my college radio show, +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | Boonton, NJ USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | |***TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: trajectory-request@smoe.org***| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:06:30 -0400 From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: Re: tori on food also sprach meredith: >woj was just channel-surfing in the other room, and he happened upon a >promo on eMpTV featuring Tori! She's sitting in a room talking about food, >and how amazing it is that the English food is now being influenced by >Indian cuisine, so "you're not just getting boiled potatoes any more. >You're getting boiled potatoes with a bit of cayenne pepper!". just so everyone knows, tori was using crossover between cuisine as a metaphor for crossovers between musical genres. her conclusion: the only categories we have anymore are "yummy" and "not yummy". woj ps. _boys for pele_, live versions of "little earthquakes", 29. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:00:13 PDT From: "Ashre, Ashre" Subject: Re: tori on food I saw that tody! I was, like, "Oh my God!!! Oh my GOD!!!" And my friend told me that, "I was so obsessed". I'm going to tape it next time I see it. Don't loose your cracker jacks, Staci ``````````vVv``````````vVv``````-ICICLE-``````vVv``````````vVv`````````` "Getting off, getting off, while there all downstairs" ```vVv``````````vVv`````````-TORI AMOS-`````````vVv``````````vVv``` Ashre8@hotmail.com ~*-Staci-*~ the *proud* owner and creator of: _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Ashre *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6271 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:03:20 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: Bootleg yes, agreed, the sound quality is rather shite isn't it. Michael Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:19:27 +0930 From: FLOOD <9606523y@MAGPIE.MAGILL.UNISA.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: confused toriphile On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, millennium wrote: > Will wrote: > > > > aliciau@ibm.net wrote: > > > > I am also a guy near 30something who likes TORI's music. I know a few > other guys who like her music. Good music is gender-free. > > Take Care, > Tori Fan... > > Millennium > Definitely, I think good music transcends gender & genre. Can't say that I know any other male Toriphiles. But I definitely agree with the statement. I also think she transcends genre, I mean she can appeal to everyone, regardless of previous backgrounds of taste. I mean I was a _serious_ metalhead (KISS, FNM, Fear Factory, NIN, Cradle of Filth etc etc) before I went out and bought Utp. It's that good it can transcend every border. TTFN Michael Francis ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #256 *************************************