From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #221 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, August 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Unhealthy? [Karen Whyte ] Re: Tori Unhealthy? [Richard Handal ] Re: Tori in therapy? [violet@slip.net] WNNX Atlanta (99X), once again [agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby)] China single wanted [Blair Gibson ] Re: Tori in therapy? [adrienne frances ] Re: China single wanted [Blair Gibson ] Re: China single wanted [bluegirl ] Re: China single wanted [bluegirl ] China... all the way to New York.... ["Scott- Taylor" ] Re: Hey Jupiter/Purple Rain [Richard Holmes ] MORE PINK [Doug Hitzel ] Re: SATY mispressed single.... [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: MORE PINK [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: MORE PINK [Chris Reeves ] Katell Keineg's 'Jet' [Casey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Whyte Subject: Re: Tori Unhealthy? On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 dilbert@metro.net wrote: > Someone posted this: > > And how do you know that she does take care of herself? She looked > > sickly, pale, and quite sticklike in the rainn promos, > > I really didn't notice this... I thought she looked a bit pale, but not > really sickly or sticklike... Maybe she just Caught A Lite Sneeze and > wasn't feeling well... Tori's *normally* pale. The only time I've seen her with any type of tan was the RAINN concert on Lifetime. This doesn't mean she's sickly...it just means she's normally not a sunbather. > > she was often > > tired and dazed when she came out to talk to people, > > Do you mean AFTER the tour, or like DURING the tour? Because I could see > being tired and dazed while on her tour, and mayube for a bit after it... The DDI tour was a grueling one. I think I remember reading that she fights arthritis, so I'm sure that sometimes she plays in pain and when she gets off stage, she just aches. Travelling like she did in 1996 is just hectic by itself - not to mention all the other appearances she did and the extra time she took for fans. It's obvious to me that she did a lot of this to appease the fans as well as the record label. It's also obvious to me that when the online fans get bored because there's no new ToriNews, they start speculating about her health. I'm *sure* if she was sick, we'd know. - -Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Tori Unhealthy? Hi, Tori Folk: I've been trying to post this for days, now. Way back on August 4, Jennifer Gerbi said of Tori-- > She looked sickly, pale, and quite sticklike in the rainn promos, she > was often tired and dazed when she came out to talk to people, and she > does at least 'shrooms and pot. Now, i don't think that is taking very > good care of yourself. I would expect that the RAINN promos were done in New York City sometime after the December 4 Calvin Klein press conference, but before the December 13 KROQ benefit concert, and it is my understanding that she had the flu right before, and the day of the KROQ concert. She looked tired and dazed when she came out to talk to people during her 187-show tour? I can't see anything surprising about that. But I must say, although I don't claim to have seen and read everything ever written about her, before Jennifer's comment there, I was unaware of anyone having made such comments either publicly or privately. I saw her before a dozen shows on the DDI tour (plus the Concert for RAINN), and I will agree that sometimes she seemed a bit road-weary, but I never thought she looked dazed or out of it. In fact, my experiences talking with her convinced me more than anything else could have just how sharp and insightful she is--especially how her thoughts can turn on a dime. When presented with completely new concepts she demonstrated how she could size up the context and meaning of a situation that was relevant to her, and jump directly via the radius to get to the other side of the circle, rather than have to get there via the circumference. I mean, I already knew what *I* was telling her, and her quick understanding of some of the ramifications of our discussions caught me off guard, which made it a challenge for me to be able to appropriately respond to her questions of *me*. (I will admit to having been exhausted and dazed myself, though. And sometimes scared silly.) She also demonstrated the ability to think quickly on her feet during shows, which I was especially aware of when I happened to know more about some of the things she addressed verbally from the stage during the shows than she spoke publicly (the woman can create rich subtext at the drop of a proverbial hat); and although *all* the shows I saw weren't amazingly amazing, her pianism as well as her demonstrated ability to extemporize in musically meaningful ways time and time again regularly took my breath away. (Which was largely why I made a point to attend as many concerts as I did. I'd have been stupid to travel all over the damn continent to see her play if a high percentage of the shows I saw didn't totally blow me away. Believe me--they did.) None of that is the mark of a sickly and frail person. That said, yes, I was *quite* concerned about her health in the final month or so of last year's tour, and I saw when her bad wrist largely went out on her one night; and I was screaming inside, believe me. I was just glad to have only first heard how she left the stage in tears at the October 23rd Miami concert after she had already given another concert the following night. In addition to the physical strain of the tour itself, I understand there were some emotional family issues troubling her that night--neither of which was within her ability to control. Was she nuts to have engaged in such an intensive touring schedule? She was for *my* taste. (She didn't ask for my opinion about that, though.) Her ambition is enormous--perhaps unhealthily so. She collapsed from exhaustion backstage after the Madison, Wisconsin show on the Under the Pink tour in '94, and I've been less than thrilled with her heavy touring schedule ever since. I think she's finally learned her lesson though, and is determined to find a way to get her music out to the concert-going public on the next tour in a manner that is less of a strain on her. I posted something about what I think might go on for the next tour here just the other day. As to her "doing" 'shrooms and pot: she has repeatedly given the impression that she doesn't do that stuff very often; but whether or not it's unhealthy in any and every amount was discussed until it was a petrified topic on this very list at the end of March, so I'm hoping it can be avoided as a 50-message thread again. I'm sure 95% of the people on the list at the time were well ill of it rather quickly. I think it better to keep one's mind open to the widest variety of possibilities when presented with only a small amount of information one would need to develop a genuinely informed opinion about something. I find that doing so leads to not wasting one's mental energy due to firmly holding inaccurate beliefs about something, and has the added advantage of making life more interesting by helping to keep one's mind open. One needn't always form an opinion about every topic. For my taste, the "undecideds" may be the wisest people quoted in most public opinion polls. The world is filled with those who sit in harsh judgment. I'm not real happy about that. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. --Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:14:07 -0700 From: violet@slip.net Subject: Re: Tori in therapy? Deb wrote: >This is sort of a random question, but a friend and I recently got >into a conversation about whether or not Tori has ever been in >therapy, and neither one of us really knew. I did once see Tori mention in an article or interview a couple of years back having gone through a bit of therapy, but for the life of me I cannot find where. If I don't have something transcribed, it's nearly impossible for me to search in any human-like way (it's much easier to search for keywords on the computer than to dig through stuff in my dark upstairs closet with the scary bogeys living in it -- I'm sure you see how that goes. :> ) I really am frustrated that I can't find out where she spoke about it, though. But, I did find this nifty bit in an article from 1992 where Tori speaks a bit about analysis. I'm sharing it here mostly because Jason mentioned that he hadn't seen any other Torimentions on the topic of shrinks. It's not about psychiatrists specifically, but it's still very interesting and gives great insight to her methods and thought processes. (For the past year, I've been working to get all this up on a Web page. Just another of my million projects. One day....) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Interviewer: Have you undergone analysis or therapy? Tori: Not properly, no. No, I haven't, no. There are some wise women that I've run into who have given me some tools, but one of the biggest tools that started it was, 15 minutes a day - that's how it started. When my first record bombed, I had to deal with a self-worth problem. It's very easy to feel good about yourself when you have your job and you have your friends and girlfriend and all that stuff, but if you had it all stripped away from you, it would be interesting to see what your view of yourself would be. So, I was stripped of many things. So, [long pause] I ended up on my kitchen floor really and I was told that the first step in finding out how you think is to spend 15 minutes a day, because you can't handle more than that at the beginning of honesty with yourself. Fifteen minutes is a lot of time to be honest with yourself when you've rarely done it in your life. So, it usually would be in the bathroom, because that's the most intimate place - much more so than the bedroom is the bathroom. I mean, if you can be in a bathroom with somebody, and really be in it, that says a lot more than being in the bedroom. So, I would spend the time in the bathroom for 15 minutes being honest, no censorship - that means not how you should think, not what you think you think, because we don't really think what we think -- almost anybody could be broken down if somebody is good and you have them in a room alone, especially for two days. You can have them talking circles around themselves because so few of us really say "I'm scared, yes I have the potential to be violent." Very few people are willing to admit anything that in their mind is a weakness. So, I started being honest for 15 minutes a day and it was excruciating - how I really felt when I felt like I was strong and being clever, what I was really doing was being totally intimidated, trying to make another person feel bad about themselves. I mean, I would rationalize everything. You can justify anything. So, that's how it started and then after the first six weeks of that 15 minutes of honesty, I was shocked to see what I was really thinking and really feeling. That means if you don't want to talk to your mother on the phone, you say "I'm so sick of my mother calling me" or whatever it is. No censorship! [animated and emotionally] If you feel like you want to jump somebody's bones, I don't care how old they are, I don't care what sex they are, if you're turned on, you say, "I had these feelings" and you might be so horrified! But you must admit things to yourself because they don't necessarily mean what you think they mean. You have to start thinking and open up this tunnel and it's very scary because we suppress what we feel with such judgement and once I worked through that I would start asking questions - but not at first, you don't question anything, not at first and I did this alone. So, it was almost as if I was my own teacher - I was my own conscience. And that's how it started. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Violet xoxox * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * When a cow laughs real hard, does milk come out of it's nose? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:34:40 -0400 From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: WNNX Atlanta (99X), once again my girlfriend called me this morning at 9am. she said that the morning crew was interviewing tori this morning. she said that it was more like them telling her about the "live x" cd and that it raised over $82,000 for RAINN than it was an interview about what tori is up to. anyone tape this? :) - -rusty ps- i have mailed all but 3 of the "live x" cd's that were purchased through me. if you have not received yours yet, it should be there shortly. pps- a while back when tori's RAINN benifet concert was aired on the radio, i offered to make tapes for some people on this list, if they would donate $1 to RAINN. well, that went fairly well. i am in the process of getting that money together to send to RAINN within the next week or so.. i plan to get a card and put all of your names and email addresses in it. i will post that info when it is ready. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:34:12 -0700 From: Blair Gibson Subject: China single wanted I was wondering if anyone out there would be willing to part with their copy of the China single. The only problem is that I don't have much of interest to trade in return, except maybe an issue of Launch featuring some interview clips of Tori plus a live performance of Marianne, along with the October 1993 issue of Spin with a cover story on Tori. Email me back privately and maybe we can make a deal. Thanx all! Blair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:55:57 +0100 From: adrienne frances Subject: Re: Tori in therapy? Deborah Nazarian writes >This is sort of a random question, but a friend and I recently got into >a conversation about whether or not Tori has ever been in therapy, and >neither one of us really knew. So I was wondering if any of you might >know if she ever was. but haven't we -all- been in therapy at some time or another? hey, not necessarily mr. psychiatrist type therapy.. it comes in many forms. adrienne. my webpage, yippee doo. http://www.slim.demon.co.uk with a moon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:42:55 -0700 From: Blair Gibson Subject: Re: China single wanted Doug Hitzel wrote: > That really isn't a fair trade...I mean China single is out of print and > pretty hard to come by and you aren't offering much...maybe someone > (like me) can tape off the songs for you if you send a blank tape to > them (or me, I can tape off all the b-sides I have for you which is > mostly all of them if you send tapes) But to ask someone to part with > their China single for a magazine or a CD Rom with a few tori > clips...that's insane!! > > Doug Sorry to be misleading; I didn't mean that I wanted to trade China JUST for a cd-rom and magazine. I just thought that maybe trading them also would alleviate the cost a bit. I was always planning on paying quite a bit of money for it, but as a returning University student who just paid his tuition my money is a little tight right now. I actually have all the b-sides in mp3 form already, so I'm just working on completing my cd collection. Again, sorry for the confusion; the last thing I want to do is try and rip somebody off. Blair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:08:40 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: China single wanted .here--> http://www.isource.net/~kyle has copies of China for sale i believe for $40... & the person who runs it says!!! that he does trades but is a big pain in the butt. i have a copy that i won't part with (i too like my fairly complete collection) ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:08:45 -0500 From: bluegirl Subject: Re: China single wanted .here--> http://www.isource.net/~kyle has copies of China for sale i believe for $40... & the person who runs it says!!! that he does trades but is a big pain in the butt. i have a copy that i won't part with (i too like my fairly complete collection) ~marissa at-->mlverma@odin.cmp.ilstu.edu _____________________________ | hEllo EveRybOdy | | iT's ME. nOt anYone ElsE | | jUsT mE. HIII. | | ******* | | ->delirium of the Endless<- | |_____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:22:32 PDT From: "Scott- Taylor" Subject: China... all the way to New York.... I have some china singles to sell. let me know if you are interested. i also found some more tori stuff... i have a promo only picture/poster of tori from the release of under the pink. it is the picture of tori in front of the glass bottles. the poster is mounted some type of foam board .. the poster is in full color. ///// i also am selling the following as a set: a "Boys for Pele" press kit. includes b/w 8x10 glossy picture of tori on a pcnic blanket. / a post card announcing the date of tori on unlugged (full color postcard of tori at piano) / an 8x10 color picture of tori playing live, also includes about 11 smaller pictures of different sizes, from 5x7 and smaller. / also 2 oromo flyers for the release of toris new album and singles / one 5x7 picture of tori at an awards show holding a bottle of water and smiling a big grin.../ 8 professional kodak pictures of tori live wearing yellow shirt, and skirt / ////////// let me know if you are interested... i am always finding new stuff that i have horded away... scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:45:55 -0400 From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: Tori News >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:28:59 -0400 (EDT) >From: Stuart Myerburg >To: Ecto >Subject: Tori News >Reply-To: Stuart Myerburg > >For those wondering what Tori is up to recently, she called in this >morning to 99X in Atlanta. She is "in the tropics" (sorry, I missed where >it was exactly) writing and recording. She has a number of songs already >done and said she has to finish the rest within 3 weeks. They asked her >if this album would be a huge departure from her previous albums. She >said the big difference is that she is actually recording some songs live >with a band versus recording the piano and vocal parts first and adding >the rest of the instrumentation later. They also asked her if anyone >special inspired this album. Apparently, she is dating someone new, and >she said she is so happy, some of the songs may be "joyous." > >Whatever the case, all I have to say is: NEW TORI! YAY! > >Stuart > >np: _OK Computer_ - Radiohead >nr: _Raise High the Roof Beam, Carpenters_ - J.D. Salinger > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Stuart Myerburg stuart@sph.emory.edu >Information Services stuart@emory.edu >Rollins School of Public Health http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart >__________________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Hey Jupiter/Purple Rain > leah inquired: > > speaking of prince, has anyone heard of kristeen young. > > she's a st. louis musician and her promoters have tried to > > compare her to tori by saying she like "tori on acid" but > > she's not (of course). > > She's nothing like Tori -- there's no basis of comparison > whatsoever, outside of the fact that she's a woman and > plays the piano. The only valid comparison I can think of > is to compare Kristeen Young to someone even more obscure > than she is (ie. Emily Bezar's evil twin), but that doesn't > help much either. Emily Bezar's evil twin!!! Fantastic - tell me more! Good sister, bad sister? She must be at least interesting. Emily's one of the few "ecto" artists I've seen live other than Dar Williams, what with my schedule and commitments. > > anyway....the point is that the only music she listens to > > is prince. it's soo weird. she doesn't listen to the > > radio or *anything*...just prince. and her style is > > nothing like his. > > How bizarre. Can't say it really surprises me, though I am > surprised that I can't hear one ounce of Skippy (dontcha > know The Bozon Formerly Known As Someone Who Thinks He Is > An Artist can sue you for invoking his name in public? ;>) > in her own work. She is a truly Different individual. What an interesting description of he who's name was formerly replaced by a sign. I'll remember this one! - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "Your love is like a conch shell / Irregular and slick @ | You're tougher than a ten foot snail @ , , | , , Chopped up and stewing on the heat @ ' ' ' ' I want to know how far you'll go / In your warped idea of quest @ Are you really gonna go for broke / or kick it with the best? @ - Katell Keineg, "Conch Shell" @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:22:28 -0500 From: Doug Hitzel Subject: MORE PINK I was wondering if anyone has this CD and a scanner so you could scan anything different about it...not the regular UtP stuff but anything in the CD to do with More Pink...thanks! Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: SATY mispressed single.... On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 Thorpie679@aol.com wrote: [SATY with the 1977 date] > Um, is this worth anything or something?? > Just wondering. Well, new it's worth around $3, used maybe $1.50. ;) Since it was pressed in high quantites, and is still in print {and I haven't seen any where they've corrected the date}, I doubt that it will become an item of high value. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: MORE PINK On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Doug Hitzel wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has this CD and a scanner so you could scan > anything different about it...not the regular UtP stuff but anything in > the CD to do with More Pink...thanks! Well, I don't have access to a scanner currently, but the only thing that's different about the liner in More Pink is that the back inside cover has the setlist for More Pink. The liner with all the lyrics is the same, the back is the same, the only difference is that. Some folks have noted that the color is slightly different on it than on UtP {the grey is a little lighter}, but that seems to hold true for all UtPs by EastWest, not just UtP. /nad *************************************************************************** * Nadyne Mielke, CS majour, Southern Tech, Marietta, GA * * * * "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of * * oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate * * commerce. " -- J. Edgar Hoover * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:39:36 -0500 From: Chris Reeves Subject: Re: MORE PINK >Some folks have noted that the color is slightly different on it than on >UtP {the grey is a little lighter}, but that seems to hold true for all >UtPs by EastWest, not just UtP. > One of the reasons for this is that it was pressed from a CMYK format instead of a tumble role format which is a CMYK + Pure Black. Without the pure black tumble, you don't quite get the same look. CR Hate the Spice Girls? Me too. http://www.head-space.com/Urban75/spice.html http://www.zxone.com http://www.synapsis.net/ http://www.rlrnews.com/ On Screen Now: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (AC3, LTBX, DC, LE) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 23:04:56 -0000 From: Casey Subject: Katell Keineg's 'Jet' Hi all, So ... I'm just sitting here listening to Katell Keineg's album 'Jet' and I gotta say ... wow!! People, this is a *damn* good CD. Now I have to admit that I bought it a few months ago after reading about her on the Lilith website and after one listen put it aside. I can't explain why, I just didn't like it then. Well, I had the pleasure of sitting next to Cathy B. and Lois in the front row and watching Katell perform on the second stage at the Houston, TX Lilith Fair. And through the whole thing, I was thinking "what the hell is wrong with you Casey?!?!?! She is too cool." So, after seeing her that day I came home and listen to the CD again and was just riveted. I don't know what type of mood I was in that first time I listen to it, but jeez ... something sure was wrong. But then, I've done this twice before. Once with Tara MacLean's 'Silence' and with Fiona Apple's 'Tidal'. I didn't like either the first time I listened and so put them away for a long time, then for one reason or another took them back out at a later date. Now, I cherish both those CD's, and with 'Jet's funky, cooky little nature growing on me all the time, I have no doubt it will become one of my faves in the not too distant future. By any means, this CD now comes highly suggested from me and if you ever get a chance to see Katell live -- do it!! The power of her voice is amazing. - -Casey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= / "If I shed a tear, I won't cage it ... if I feel a rage I won't / \ deny it ... I won't fear love" \ / -Sarah McLachlan; 'Fumbling Towards Ecstasy' / \ \ / "I have my own parties. They involve being barefoot with a piece / \ of fried chicken and a margarita in each hand." \ / -Tori Amos / =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #221 *************************************