From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #213 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, August 7 1997 Volume 02 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thelma & Louise [Erinbest@aol.com] Not the Red Baron [WeirdyBoy@aol.com] Not the Red Baron [WeirdyBoy@aol.com] Re: tori w/ a band?? [Karen Whyte ] re: Steve's habit [Karen Whyte ] Re: Steve Caton [Kristina ] Re: Steve Caton (one more thing) [Kristina ] Radio Airplay [jrobinson@nmcourt.fed.us] Re: Tori on the radio [Blair Gibson ] Re: On Bootlegs of course [AnaisBleu@aol.com] a tori story(well, sort of) [AnaisBleu@aol.com] tori airplay ["w4barron" ] Birth of 'Voodoo' and the story behind Caton's cigarette [EricThelen@t-on] Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out ["w4barron" ] Re[2]: Tori on the radio [jrobinson@nmcourt.fed.us] Re: Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out ["Gucci Little Piggy" ] Re: I get MUCH MUSIC ["Lanna Chidester" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Erinbest@aol.com Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise In a message dated 97-08-04 07:50:24 EDT, Traumachik@aol.com writes: << >Better yet, who out there read _Possessing the Secret Of >Joy_ because Tori read it? I have you all beat...I heard about the book through Tori, and ended up writing my senior English paper about the book, using quotes from Tori. Do I get the gold star or what? peace, love and gumtex, Chelsea >> Gee well I think we at *least* tie. I chose this books because of Tori inspired reasons for a 4 part English resarch assignment that lasted a good deal of the sememster. I also did mention Tori in one section of the proojuect too. But I am so glad Tori mentioned this book when talking about CFG because I have turned out to be quite the Alice Walker fan! ~Erin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: WeirdyBoy@aol.com Subject: Not the Red Baron ohmygod, what a horrible typo, i of course meant Jean Jean.... hehe, jen jen, lol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 02:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: WeirdyBoy@aol.com Subject: Not the Red Baron Judy G is Judy Garland and Jen Jen is Jean Harlow. Hallowed heart is not a reference to Harlow, it is an adjective describing Jean Harlow's heart. In the song, tori has said, she pictures these beautiful women taking the men down into the flames, as their little planes crashed. Metaphorically speaking, of course. She said that after so much anger towards the men, she was ready to show some sympathy. And so she realised, the men have pain too, and they crash in their planes, too. So she had these beautiful screen goddesses escort them into the flames. -jason more info from Tori can be found here: http://members.aol.com/WeirdyBoy/Toriphoria.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Whyte Subject: Re: tori w/ a band?? On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, elwoj of robyndell wrote: > also sprach Richard Handal: > >Maybe the radio > >will love her next album so much that she won't *have* to support it so > >much through live shows, and she would be able to not have to play before > >as many people. It could happen. > > maybe, but i question how much playing out really supported her album sales > this last time around. with _little earthquakes_ and perhaps even _under > the pink_, sure. but last year? she received favorable airplay on both > mainstream and "modern rock" radio and had more on-air appearances than > nearly any other artist i can think of. It's rare (at least here in Cincinnati) to hear Tori on the radio. Even when CALS came out, they weren't playing it EVERY hour, like say, Paula Cole or No Doubt or the Wallflowers. Whatever. I don't think she's neccesarily "radio friendly". > more importantly, how much of a factor is album sales or radio airplay or > other measures of commercial success when it comes to playing live *for > tori*? my understanding is that she does it because she loves it. I'm not sure. But I will say that's it's prolly very important for her to tour to pay off the expense of making an album. Many times, labels will front the money for an album and then force the artist on the road to repay them. [snip] > i've been a long-time proponent of the tour-with-a-band platform (needless > to say, this is a thread that has permeated tori amos discussion fora since > the earliest days of really-deep-thoughts!) and think that it would be > fascinating to see tori play with other musicians. i *really* enjoyed the > fuller sound that caton brought to last year's shows and thought that the > interaction between he and tori was really neat. i'd love to see more of > that. much as i love the girl-with-her-piano thing, three tours of that can > get tedious. i'm surprised that *she* can put up with that. I totally agree and have said for a couple of years now that I think a band would add to Tori's sound. I'd also love to see her do an instrumental album with an orchestra. > >But I can't imagine if she has a band with her that she won't play a > >set or a third or so of the concert solo, too. > > this is not an uncommon practice amongst musicians who built a career > playing solo first. suzanne vega, for example. she still does segments of > her sets the way she did them ten years ago: alone with her acoustic guitar. Exactly. Evan Dando of the Lemonheads does an acoustic segment live. I definitely think Tori should tour with a band. I mean, I love her by herself, but it can get so repetitive to hear the same songs done the same way every tour. Hugs to all you listers. I'm on my way to ToriCon in Denver. :) - -Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:53:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Whyte Subject: re: Steve's habit On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Jennifer Gerbi wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Cindy Elder wrote: [snip about Caton's smoking] > > I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling that kind of thinking--that Tori > > won't take care of herself, stupid. > > And how do you know that she does take care of herself? She looked > sickly, pale, and quite sticklike in the rainn promos, she was often > tired and dazed when she came out to talk to people, and she does at > least 'shrooms and pot. Now, i don't think that is taking very good care Last time I checked, Tori was an adult and could make those decisions for herself. If she wants to use drugs and alcohol, she's allowed. We can't determine what's good and what's bad for her, only she can. > of yourself. Actually, it is probably close to impossible to take good > care of yourself when you are on tour. And history shows us that very > commonly, genius musical personalities in our modern times were quite > self-destructive. So, that is a huge assumption. I think tori is as > amazing as the next person. I also think that some of her friends/people > who followed her from show to show to just get drunk with her afterwards > seemed to be of the self-distructive vein. It is hard to describe. Just > because she is a wonderful, kind person and an amazing musician, it > certainly doesn't mean she innately takes care of herself- certainly, the > tone of BFP often takes on a self-destructive vein, in the context of > relationships with men. And, that is one of the things I like about the > album so much because I relate to it so much. Well, like I said, use of alcohol/drugs is her choice. And ya know what? Maybe it's self-destructive, but do you know her *reason* for doing these things? Do you know if she has self-destruction in mind? Maybe she's releasing tension or having fun. Maybe shrooms help her creatively. I'm not trying to make excuses. I guess my point is that, regardless of your opinion or my opinion, Tori is an adult who can do whatever she wants. I don't think she should be judged for what she eats or drinks or smokes. She can do whatever she pleases, regardless of her celeb status. [snip] > I certainly can disagree without disrespecting. I think assuming she is > some sort of god, and that every single decision that she ever makes is > right, is disrespecting her as a HUMAN. Right, but are you at least giving her the right to do what she wants without judging her as someone who is on a certain doomed path or something? From what you said above, it sounds like you think she'll eventually destroy herself. I don't think so. - -Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kristina Subject: Re: Steve Caton Uhhh- does anyone remember that Tori herself sometimes smokes pot? I think its cute that Canton lights up every CFG, its like, a tradition. Its almost a private joke between the two of them, I guess. Lighten up, folks. Live & let live... I think Tori would feel the same.... On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Jennifer Gerbi wrote: > > > > My goodness ppl... you are making a big deal out of NOTHING!!! I totally > > agree with Jason. You seem to forget MANY other singers smoke too. > > Tori has stated that she has a policy that the crew can't smoke around > her, since it bothers her. So do flowers, I've heard her complain of > allergies on a few interviews- the loveline radio one as an example. And, > you better believe smoking is bad on a singer's- vocal chords, throat, > lung capacity, etc. A lot of gravelly sounding rock singers seem to > smoke, but few serious singers seem to- probably, the lung capacity thing > is the number one short term problem there. -j > > ********************************************** > *Jennifer E. Gerbi Grad RA Materials Science* > *1-113 ESB * > *University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign * > *http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~gerbi * > ********************************************** > > Smegma, Dogmatagram, fishmarket stew Police in the corner, Gunnin' for you Apple toast, bedheated, furblanket rat laugh when they shoot you, say "Please don't do that" -Tom Marshall Don't just switch from beef to chicken: Get the slaughter-house out of your kitchen!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kristina Subject: Re: Steve Caton (one more thing) Oh! and i don't smoke!!! Smegma, Dogmatagram, fishmarket stew Police in the corner, Gunnin' for you Apple toast, bedheated, furblanket rat laugh when they shoot you, say "Please don't do that" -Tom Marshall Don't just switch from beef to chicken: Get the slaughter-house out of your kitchen!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 09:03:19 MST From: jrobinson@nmcourt.fed.us Subject: Radio Airplay along the lines of how much airplay Tori gets, the only song i _ever_ hear on the radio here is SATY and *gulp* dare i say it? it's almost overplayed. there is a station here in albuquerque with these _major_ geek-y morning show hosts called "gene and julie" (read ward and june cleaver); anyway there is a section at all the local hastings that have "gene and julie" picks (or suggestions). LE is one of them. i keep having these fantasies of some june cleaver type who has heard SATY on the radio, going into hastings and picking up LE, UtP and BFP. can you imagine her reaction to, say, PW or Icicle??? gives me quite a giggle... and helps me to visualize why there are _tons_ of the above-mentioned cds in the used section! oh well, back to my cell, recreation time is over. jill. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:18:54 -0700 From: Blair Gibson Subject: Re: Tori on the radio I thought that I'd come out of hiding to comment on this issue. I have been an avid Tori fan ever since UtP came out, and since then I have only heard ONE Tori song on the radio, when 102.1 The Edge in Toronto played CFG sometime last year. And I've only seen the videos for SATY, CFG, God, and CALS. It seems to me that Tori does not get as much coverage up here in Canada, as compared to the States since some of you have even been complaining of her being overplayed on the radio, even if it's only one song they play. Oh well, it least i'll get my chance next week when Muchmusic plays that spotlight on her. just my $0.02 Blair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AnaisBleu@aol.com Subject: Re: On Bootlegs of course Just wanted to clarify a few things-- i know that some of the compilations (most of them, actually) don't have any money going back to tori, but where i live it is very hard to get rare tori items, and i sort of have to get 'em where i can! - --rae ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnaisBleu@aol.com Subject: a tori story(well, sort of) I wanted to tell this nice story of something that happened the other night. There's this relatively new artsy 24-hour coffee house in downtown Batoin Rouge called Insomkneeacks. So i was in there w/ a few friends, drinking coffee, makeing more friends, when this guy Matt (a talented guitarist) pulled out his guitar and started playing. After a while i said that i felt like singing, and what did he know. He mentioned that he know quite a few songs off BfP, so i suggested Hey, Jupiter. Then, i noticed that a girl over in the corner was softly singing CALS to her friends. So i asked her if she would like to come sing w/ me. She said shore. . . So we sang an acoustic guitar version of Jupiter. When we finished, the owner of the coffeeshop asked if we would do it again b/c he wanted to videotape us. So, ofcourse we did. It was a really cool night-- everyopne got really quiet and listened, and it was the perfect time to share some tori w/ several people who had never really listened top her before. thanks for reading my pyshobabble - --rae ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:14:05 -0400 From: "w4barron" Subject: tori airplay Oh my God!!!!! Tori songs are never played on the radio where I live!!! I've heard SATY mabye twice. I just dont understand why the radio stations dont ever play any of her songs! If someone has answers please let me know!!! Jessica Barron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 23:40:53 -0700 From: EricThelen@t-online.de (Eric with a 'c') Subject: Birth of 'Voodoo' and the story behind Caton's cigarette Hi everybody. Richard Handal wrote (about Steve Caton): > But even he took approaching 35 or so shows before achieving the level of > musical conversation that came to be typical in Voodoo by somewhere in the > middle of May. Right. I still think I saw the 'birth' of 'Voodoo' on March 20, 1996, in Hamburg, Germany - where Tori and Steve played it live for the first time. Steve - always very friendly - said that Tori and himself always practice new songs during the soundcheck and then they decide when they are ready to perform the songs on stage. The date for the first stage appearance of Voodoo might have been chosen deliberately, because March 20 is the first day of spring... They got VERY positive feedback on 'Voodoo' after the show (Steve especially asked whether we liked the song) and during the next shows it developed: Steve's solo part became longer and the interaction between Tori and Steve got more and more perfect. So I think Richard is right (as almost always :) - thank you for all the wonderful information that you constantly provide here and on rdt), Tori needs not just some musician. She needs somebody she can really *play* with... About Tori, Steve said: 'We're friends first. We were friends long before we started to play music together.' And if you see them together after a show - you know that this is true. I hope that everybody has very good and honest long term friends - friendship is something that can hardly be valued enough. So I think that Tori would basically laugh about the cigarette talk going on here... And I like to suggest a thought: I do not remember to have seen Steve smoking before, during or after any of the ten shows I saw last year. Maybe I just do not remember, but I do not think that Steve is a very strong smoker. Does anybody remember seeing him with a cigarette during one of the TV performances with Tori or during other concerts? Could it be that there is just some funny story behind him suddenly having a cigarette at the RAINN concert? Maybe he made some cool funny faces during the soundcheck and Tori said 'Now you only need a cigarette to really be cool...' Then maybe he tried to surprise Tori and make her laugh by suddenly having a cigarette out on stage for the first time. Could that possibly be? I am just guessing - but so are most of you speculating whether Tori minds that he was smoking... Personally, I do not think that smoking is cool. I do not smoke and do not like people around me smoking. Knowing that it leads to terrible illnesses, I guess that most people that are smoking do not enjoy their lives enough... Everybody enjoy 'your' lives, Eric (with a 'c') http://home.t-online.de/home/EricThelen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:07:55 -0400 From: "w4barron" Subject: Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out Hello all. I don't know how many of you have seen Fiona Apple's new video, Criminal. If you have, you'll notice Fiona has this starved, emaciated body. Is she anorexic or a heroin addict??? No one is that thin by nature. I mean, she's thinner than Kate Moss for God's sake!!! i'M DYING TO KNOW WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK. So e mail your responses quick!! Jessica Barron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 16:13:53 MST From: jrobinson@nmcourt.fed.us Subject: Re[2]: Tori on the radio geez... did it really sound like i was complaining about her being overplayed... that's not truly what i meant, it's just i wish the stations would branch out a bit and venture into all her other great songs. no matter how terrific a song is, i'm sure no one wants to hear it _all_ the time (with the exception of when it's new and you're trying to figure it out and it keeps popping up in your head, etc.) anyway, i guess beggars can't be choosers, and all those other clichs, so i'll take whatever bone the radio station decides to throw me. woof. woof. jill. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Tori on the radio Author: Blair Gibson at ~Internet Date: 8.6.97 10.52 I thought that I'd come out of hiding to comment on this issue. I have been an avid Tori fan ever since UtP came out, and since then I have only heard ONE Tori song on the radio, when 102.1 The Edge in Toronto played CFG sometime last year. And I've only seen the videos for SATY, CFG, God, and CALS. It seems to me that Tori does not get as much coverage up here in Canada, as compared to the States since some of you have even been complaining of her being overplayed on the radio, even if it's only one song they play. Oh well, it least i'll get my chance next week when Muchmusic plays that spotlight on her. just my $0.02 Blair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:15:36 +0000 From: "Gucci Little Piggy" Subject: Re: Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out On 6 Aug 97 at 18:07, w4barron allegedly said: > Hello all. I don't know how many of you have seen Fiona Apple's new > video, Criminal. If you have, you'll notice Fiona has this starved, > emaciated body. Is she anorexic or a heroin addict??? No one is > that thin by nature. > I mean, she's thinner than Kate Moss for God's sake!!! i'M DYING TO > KNOW > WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK. So e mail your responses quick!! I think she's probably got a high metabolism and doesn't eat much. What place is it of us to start accusing Fiona of having an eating disorder or a drug problem? That's a very serious thing to accuse, and careless talk costs lives. I remember Tori was incredibly thin during the Under The Pink tour. It needn't mean anything. Of course, Tori put on a little weight at the start of 1996 (and looked MUCH better for it, I might add), but I wouldn't even dream of casting wild rumours about her health. Tori first appeared on UK TV for the Boys for Pele campaign in December 1995, on "Later with Juls Holland", and I could tell she'd gotten a few more curves here and there, and looked so much better for it. But this doesn't mean Tori had her head in the bowl every night during 1994.... Paul, a recovering bulimic. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Sheep rule in Derbyshire" | http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du - Dez Minto | http://toristuff.home.ml.org Paul.Tweedy@durham.ac.uk | finger:d550du@vega.dur.ac.uk grendel@cus.umist.ac.uk | * Currently playing * ICQ : 1988634 | Ani DiFranco : 'Not A Pretty Girl' =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 'There's nowt so queer as folk...' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Caer@aol.com Subject: Re: Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out on the subject of fiona's weight, i don't know if any of you know this but fiona is a vegan. that means she eats noo meat or animal products.sooo she really doesn't eat alot of fat in her diet that she would be getting from meat or from dairy, hope that helps.she is really skinny but most vegans are :) kelly Caer@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: trustno1@NetCity.ca (Sana Rosemary) Subject: fiona song Hi this is kinda a stupid question but its driving me and my friend absolutly crazy. the fiona apple song "Never is a promise" it sounds like something. dont ask me what, a soundtract from a tv show, movie, another persons song. whatever it is, it sounds like something :-S if anyone knows what im talking about, email me privatly cause its driving us nuts! blessings celeste & mary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Boys For Pele~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Muhammad my friend it's time to tell the world we both know it was a girl back in Bethlehem" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tori Amos~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:14:05 +1200 From: Googleplex Subject: Re: Fiona: anorexic or really drugged out Hi everyone! (my first post) >Tori first appeared on UK TV for the Boys for Pele campaign in >December 1995, on "Later with Juls Holland", and I could tell she'd >gotten a few more curves here and there, and looked so much better >for it. But this doesn't mean Tori had her head in the bowl every >night during 1994.... i would have to agree here, as i have a overactive metabolism, and i have probs putting weight on. i my case it takes medication to keep my weight at a healthy level. another possible reason could be that (in fiona's case) it could be stress related (relationship probs/touring commitments/etc etc) pressures. people react in strange ways to stress. oh well, back to lurking Googleplex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 19:22:39 PDT From: "Bells for Anastasia" Subject: Re: tori airplay You guts are lucky! You've heard at least two of her songs on the radio, I've never heard any. I guess it's because Delaware isn't exactly 'the place' for good music :( "Monsters are the best, most wonderful... Monsters are, ya know, it's like 'ya gotta fight fer yer right' to have a monster..." -Tori Amos ~*-Stacie-*~ the *proud* owner and creator of: _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Ashre *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6271 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 19:43:05 PDT From: "Lanna Chidester" Subject: Re: I get MUCH MUSIC So do I!!! Thanks :) (i am desperate for boots being i dont own any- so sue me!) Lanna/gemenai >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:56:47 -0700 >From: me >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: I get MUCH MUSIC > >HI everyone, >I get Much Music and I shall have my VCR ready. >I can do some trading!! > Tammy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #213 *************************************