From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #105 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, April 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ears with Feet... [Lisa Golmen ] Re: Ears with Feet... [Josh Sutterfield ] Tori ["Andrew Price" ] Re: tori hate page [DanKitti99@aol.com] Re: tori hate page [Alley Angel ] Re: Ears with Feet... [Delirium ] Twinkle [John Casey Sherrell ] "Tori-haters" are people, too [Steve Ito ] drug consmption [lpsmith@glam.ac.uk (DON'T LET ME DOWN)] an interesting observation [greeting the monster in our easter dresses ] Re: "Tori-haters" are people, too [Delirium ] Re: tori hate page [Connie Deighan ] "Twinkle" [WeirdyBoy@aol.com] Orange Book ["Nicolas Lukaszewicz" ] "Til the Chicken" [WeirdyBoy@aol.com] Re: "Til the Chicken" [Delirium ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:40:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lisa Golmen Subject: Ears with Feet... What`s Ears With Feet mean.....? Lisa, Toriphile Norway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:19:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Sutterfield Subject: Re: Ears with Feet... >What`s Ears With Feet mean.....? > >Lisa, >Toriphile >Norway Hmmm I bet a million people will reply and not see that I've already done it, but anyways.... I forget where it was, but there were some digitized sound files of something Tori said into a mic for someone, who had told her to say something to her fans on the internet. It was like a farewell message... She got really emotional.. started to cry a little and was saying something like: "they shouldn't even call you fans, they should call you 'ears with feet' cause that's what you are, you're ears with feet" and she thanked us, said she'd miss us. Someone said it was from Tori's lyrics, and I'm pretty sure that's not true, unless this is some new song, because it came from that interview thing. Heh, I never have been able to figure out why ears with feet is a better name than fans (it almost sounds degrading in a way) but it's certainly funner. also.... does anyone know if Tori is chilling now? Or is she still doing RAINN-related stuff? alsoalso... heh the whole Tori-hate thing... the girl is rather harsh, and takes it upon herself to condemn anything she doesn't enjoy, and condemn those who appreciate it. There's lots of people like that in the world, and lots of people who will never open their minds, because they believe they're already open. But on the other hand.. I can see how some people are put out by artists with such devoted fans. It's not the fans' fault, but it certainly can make it difficult to see the music for what it is for you personally, when you're so skeptical about all the superfandom. Fandom is a cool word. Yeah, bye... =~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~= joshuaruylesutterfield Musician/DJ-Wannabe/Social-Retard aureliusyefjordshuttle joshu@umr.edu www.umr.edu/~joshu =._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.= niv e r sit y o F M Oat Ro ll U =K= =M= =N= =R= - 89 .7 F M A =~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~=._.=~^~= "Quiche, I am sorry to say, is not among the colors of the alphabet." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:21:13 +1000 From: "Andrew Price" Subject: Tori Hi!!! There has been a lot of talk about the quality of Tori's albums lately, and seeing I've never posted anything decent recently, I thought I'd contribute! Everyone seems to love Tori because they understand her music and lyrics, and say that the reason that some don't like her is because they don't understand her!!! With this, I must disagree! I don't understand any of her lyrics (I don't think I do anyway) but I still LOVE her music. It's so beautiful, yet different! Boys for Pele is a different album, but I don't think it's a BAD different, it still have different music. The first Tori song I ever heard was Cornflake Girl and I absolutely loved it, it took me about two years after I first heard it to actually buy the album (with which I'm REALLY pissed off!) but I loved it all! Yes, Tori is changing, but be thankful that we still have her to love. We don't know what her next album is going to be like, all I can hope is lives up to the standard of her last 3 (how couldn't it!!!). Anyway, that's my opinion!!!!! Bye Regards Andrew Price p.s. What is a 'THREAD'? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: DanKitti99@aol.com Subject: Re: tori hate page I didn't spend too much time at the Tori Hate Page. But, I really didn't understand her attitude. She says how we are supposedly SHOCKED that someone does NOT like something WE like. But isn't that exactly what she is doing? Also, she amended a previous statement about Tori CD inserts (but I forgot what she said) by saying how she doesn't go around looking at Tori cassette inserts. But that being said, how could she even make a statement about Tori CD inserts if she had not seen them? Plus, questioning wether or not Tori fans have minds of their own. That's about as far as I got. That kind of reminds me of an e-mail I got, someone said I must be a typical Tori fan who never really listened to the music. Er, wha??? He said that as a typical Tori fan, I must have never really thought about the music of Tori. Anyone who has seen THIS list would know that statement is ludicrous. That a Tori fan never really thinks about the music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:08:38 -0400 From: Alley Angel Subject: Re: tori hate page >I find it bizarre that people have actively been interested in a website >dedicated to saying bad things about Tori--let alone discussing it! I plan >not to even check it out even just to look at it. I'm sure she gets an >enormous kick when she gets the stats for how many times her website has >been visited. From the interest I've seen as exemplified by the talk on >this mailing list alone, if this amount of interest is anything like an >accurate barometer of the interest of Tori fans *not* on this list, she >must be getting more hits on her website than most of the *real* Tori >websites! Incredible! Yeah, about something like over 48,000 or so... Yes, she does, because she feeds on the stupidity of some of the people who do write back, bashing her and her likes, only more strongly proving her points against tori. >Look at this--even by complaining that people are discussing it, now *I'm* >discussing it! How awful! She must be sitting back from her computer :) Well, no. talk. it's what we're here for. to learn. >screen and reading all the messages people send her, counting all the hits >generated by her site and totally laughing herself silly! This girl could >go into marketing--if she isn't already. Probably. You could see foryourself--she's got a seperate page dedicated to some of the stupid e-mails she gets... and she talks about others on the "tori hate page" itself. >I bought the recently published Tori Amos Collectibles book Saturday >night, and I have a ton of comments on it. Might take me a few days to get >them all together and post them, but at least that will be relevant. What's it like? E-mail me back and let me know all about them. :) >I'm not complaining about the wasted time and space here discussing that >website, but I couldn't sit here and read this any longer without >mentioning how incredibly bizarre I find all this attention she has so >easily generated for herself by making that website. It's like catching though that's not what she intended, she is kind of getting a kick out of it now. >fish in a barrel. Let her have her freedom of speech in a nice little >vacuum I say, and she'll wither on the vine. No, she won't, but she won't continue to grow with hate... it'll be directed elsewhere, at the least. @}-->-->--- ChibiRini Fairy Queen *~^~^~Tania~^~^~* Froggie Playing a Song} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~} "...You'll never gain weight { %&%&%&~Tau Beta Sigma/Pi Delta Pi~%&%&%&} from a doughnut hole..." {~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~} ~Tori Amos, {"A girl is a verb, a whirl of color..." } 'Doughnut Song' { --Frente', "Girl" } ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~} tarr1658@uriacc.uri.edu } Me: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/arruda/tania/chibirini.html } ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Delirium Subject: Re: Ears with Feet... thats what tori calls her audience & fans On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Lisa Golmen wrote: > What`s Ears With Feet mean.....? > > Lisa, > Toriphile > Norway > > Smegma, Dogmatagram, fishmarket stew Police in the corner, Gunnin' for you Apple toast, bedheated, furblanket rat laugh when they shoot you, say "Please don't do that" -Tom Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:50:32 -0500 (CDT) From: John Casey Sherrell Subject: Twinkle > To add a little bit more, although it may be reading into the lines too > much, I think that it is a perfect resolution to the trilogy that was talked > about. She talks about a "boy so hard" but says "But I know a girl twice as > hard", which could mean that she's moving on to a new stage in her life > where boys shouldn't matter so much . . . namely Eric. With "I Killed a man > T", that could also mean ending the obsession with me. It also could be an > abbreviation for a manatee . . . maybe. In regards to the "I killed a man T" line... I remember reading or hearing somewhere that Tori is speaking this line from another person's point of view or perhaps quoting, and the "T" is an abbreviation for "Tori." Maybe this clarifies things.. or muddles it up more. John "We have enough youth. How about a fountain of smart?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:18:59 -0400 From: Steve Ito Subject: "Tori-haters" are people, too someone said, re: the "Tori Hate" Page, >Yeah, but what's weird is I like a *lot* of the other female >bands she has on her women & music page. But some of the I think that will be true of a LOT of us here, it's certainly true for me. It's only wierd if you look at it from the relatively narrow viewpoint of being a Tori fan; then you see a Tori hater, and automatically she's the enemy. But that's the wrong appoach; step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who is simply passionate about music, and you will see a kindred spirit. That's why it's not surprising at all that we can share an appreciation of other artists despite our disagreement about Tori. Good music, like any real art, is an intensely personal, emotional thing, and Tori's is more powerfully personal and emotional than most. It is absolutely inevitable that her music will be an intensely moving negative experience for some people, just as it is an intensely moving positive experience for most of us. And you know what? She's not WRONG for not liking Tori, nor is she necessarily disturbed or bitter or somehow lacking in the depth or emotional maturity required to "understand" her music. Nor does our appreciation of Tori stem from any kind of "special ability" we have (nor are we special for liking Tori). It seems so obvious, but music isn't math (thank God!); there are no right or wrong answers, it is simply a matter of personal opinion and taste. So she put up a page stating her negative opinions about Tori. So what? Big deal! Figg made an excellent observation in an earlier post that bears repeating: no one said you had to agree with her, or that you had to take it personally, as I believe a lot of people here have done. >other stuff she says (like "I like to kick puppies" & her big >animal rights stuff...) make me wonder what she's up to. I A few lines further down she says that shirts that say "shut up bitch" make her hot and that that she likes hanging around in laundromats so she can add on to her lint ball. You didn't believe that too, did you? If that wasn't sarcasm, I don't know what is. Besides, at the bottom of the list, she even said "OK, those aren't really my hobbies," and then added a link to her REAL hobbies, which include playing in a band, writing, and raising several pets (a lop-eared rabbit, a cat, and some fish - does that sound like a pastime of a puppy-kicker?). She's a lot more normal (and like us) than many here seem to realize. Unless it's a letter apologizing for the abusive and totally unacceptable behaviour shown to her from some of the less mature Tori fans among us, I really hope that no one here sends her any hate mail, because nothing she said in her website deserves it. Remember, on a deeper level, she's a lot like us; she's passionate about music. And that makes her a lot more of a kindred soul than someone for whom music is just the background noise they hear when they're shopping or waiting on hold or in between traffic reports, don't you think? Steve Ito - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:26:41 GMT From: lpsmith@glam.ac.uk (DON'T LET ME DOWN) Subject: drug consmption Yeah ok this was going on a while ago but since i've been away for some time i thought this subject desrves some kind of comment since the message from ZENA said "Well i must say, i've lost a hell of a lot of respect for tori" well all i can say is drug use (any drug use) can be a good thing, only if it doesn't hut any one else in the form of violence. May be here in Liverpool some of us have a too liberal view on drugs so all i can say is, Tori gets big applause from me for admiting that she takes drugs, since we all know it is so much against the trend at the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:00:20 EST From: greeting the monster in our easter dresses Subject: an interesting observation reading all of this over... i find it halarious that most people thought that she was male on first glance -- think about it [jordan] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 17:54:53 UT From: "Mickey Sun" Subject: re: tori hate page >accurate barometer of the interest of Tori fans *not* on this list, she >must be getting more hits on her website than most of the *real* Tori >websites! Incredible! >Yeah, about something like over 48,000 or so... Umm.... It's a fake counter. Mickey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Delirium Subject: Re: "Tori-haters" are people, too I agree w/ steve... in fact, I didn't send her any mail at all... ALOT of my friends don't like Tori, and its something i just deal with... in fact the only time i ever argued is when one guy who is friends with my roomate (and a real dork) told me that he equates Tori's music to James Taylor... "easy listening." I got real haughty and told him that he obviously has absolutly NO understanding of Tori Amos' music... and it left me wondering what songs he had heard that were "easy listening." Leather? Cornflake Girl? Precious Things? Voodoo? Oh well... Hey, is anyone going to see Ani in Tampa on the 26th? Later, Kristina Smegma, Dogmatagram, fishmarket stew Police in the corner, Gunnin' for you Apple toast, bedheated, furblanket rat laugh when they shoot you, say "Please don't do that" -Tom Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Connie Deighan Subject: Re: tori hate page Delirium writes: > I guess I missed her view on Animal Rights, (i'm a strong activist) what > did she say? > Its funny, because I also love PJ Harvey and like some of the other female > musicians on her page. Then, with all the talk she has on the page about > abused womenm, doesn't she realize the amount of work that Tori has done > with RAINN? (or does she think its all marketing?) actually, i think she knows. she said somewhere something about it still being bad music. > And also, she > certainly objectifies herself with the lovely "nude" photo w/ the smiley > faces............ > What can i say? 101 reasons why I am a Literature major and not > Psychology! incidentally, i think this is going overboard. i mean, she's entitled to her opinion, and she's entitled to rant about whatever she wants (and dear goddess, don't tell me none of you ever thought tori fans were all a little bit psycho). and i'm a huge tori fan, like all the rest of us, and i thought her page was damned funny. completely hysterical, in fact. maybe i've got the obscene bitch mentality or something, but the list of people she said she'd "beat unmercifully with a wiffle ball bat" was fucking great. well, in any case, i think we're all freaking out just a bit too much. have a nice day. - -d- Thwomp! + nothings gonna stop me from floating - -deighan + with your perfect wing, a wing can cover all sorts of things ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: WeirdyBoy@aol.com Subject: "Twinkle" I think Twinkle is the finale of the girl's journey to find herself, and though this girl is very strong after the journey, she is still sad about it, of course. The line, "no matter what tie she's got in her dresser tied," is very powerful in meaning. I know from psychologists and personal experiences that some people who cut their wrists will keep a tie in the dresser so they can tie it around their wrists to hide the marks. So maybe this girl Diane, from Iona, metaphorically (or actually) killed the man she loved, and it depressed her to the point of being suicidal. Maybe Tori is wrapping the album up saying that she has finally killed the emotion or the connection between her and Eric and she is strong now, "so hard." And she still Twinkles... The boy was hard, and the girl was twice as hard... just a portion of my interpretation... (Diane, by the way, is in th BfP liner notes). - -weirdy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:33:32 -0300 From: "Nicolas Lukaszewicz" Subject: Orange Book > > Maybe BFP is like walking into a town, learning the town, and listening to > her songs, discovering what is hidden in the wood. > > It's too bad the orange book wasn't sold along with the cd. It would have > cleared a lot of things up. > Whats that "orange book" ??????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: WeirdyBoy@aol.com Subject: "Til the Chicken" The song "Til the Chicken" was written about Tori's experience in Sharon Tate's old house when she was trying to cook chicken for Trent but it just wouldn't cook. Tori's mom said that because the heir to the Folger's Coffee fortune was murdered there, it was cursed. Anyway, that info about the song is from "Tori Amos - Collectibles." - -weirdy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Delirium Subject: Re: "Til the Chicken" Its funny, but since Till the Chicken was recorded in one take, basically Tori wrote it down AFTER it was recorded, i never put two and two together until I read the Collectables.... Kristina On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 WeirdyBoy@aol.com wrote: > The song "Til the Chicken" was written about Tori's experience in Sharon > Tate's old house when she was trying to cook chicken for Trent but it just > wouldn't cook. Tori's mom said that because the heir to the Folger's Coffee > fortune was murdered there, it was cursed. Anyway, that info about the song > is from "Tori Amos - Collectibles." > -weirdy > Smegma, Dogmatagram, fishmarket stew Police in the corner, Gunnin' for you Apple toast, bedheated, furblanket rat laugh when they shoot you, say "Please don't do that" -Tom Marshall ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #105 *************************************