From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #28 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, January 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne updates English Tori article from 1991 "isn't it ironic..." pink earthquakes hi everyone! re: Roseanne stuff rdt Letterman... tonight...now Red Key Choker!!! Letterman! Letterman is a ripoff!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: MaLjaMiN Subject: Re: Negative comment made about Tori on Roseanne I was thinking about this portion of Will Nunn's message: >complaining to ABC: "Please don't broadcast such items because they are >negative towards something that we enjoy." If we were to use such logic more >often, we would never be able to listen to, or see much in the way of >anything, because it will be subject to displeasing one social >group/individual or another. The reason we are allowed to listen such >wonderful music as Tori's is because she is allowed to make whatever kind of >subjective comments/criticism she wants to, without someone scilencing her >because they disagree. I'm sorry for blowing this way out of proportion if I This made me think about the religious mindset of some fans, and about Tori's capability to say things others don't like. The idea of complaining to ABC about this Roseanne thing, is logically equivalent to some church group mailing Atlantic Records saying that they don't want Tori's negative lyrics about God marketed, because they were offended, and they esteemed God as above any sort of negative comment. Granted, Tori's "God" was not referring to her true God, but to the patriarchy and the traditional Christian image of God. But what if that God was exactly what this church group happened to be defending? If their complaints deserve no action, and I believe they don't, then neither do ours, unless we presume moral authority. If we presume moral authority, we're playing the religion game. I really am surprised that Tori Amos would come up in that kind of reference. You'd expect Vanilla Ice or Billy Ray Cyrus as a more obvious target. Besides, the girl *did* say "hey i like her" so it seems well-countered. But regardless, if someone says Tori's music is loud, grating, annoying.... then it's true. Loud seems odd, since she's a solo musician primarily, and often quite soft. I guess it's loud if you crank it up real high. But loud isn't bad anyways. As for grating, I like grating, I think it can be an effective musical technique. I'd call some of tori's growls and screams wonderfully grating. Annoying, I guess that's not often desirable in itself. But if Tori didn't annoy people, I'd be worried. To be great is to be misunderstood ... emerson or something. We needn't be threatened. So, Tori Amos is annoying: Did you, reader, just shout "crucify!"? I somehow fear that sentiment is present among some ears-with-feet, and that presents a terrible irony if you understand what Tori fights against through her music. To further justify that forbidden statement, she doesn't annoy me, but does some. I reserve judgment of those people and move on. Ditto what Will said about ill feelings--none here. Passionate discussion and passionate respect require each other, yet are hard to maintain at the same time. Just sharing ideas... Man, I really should go to bed (but what about homework). Bye people and chihuahuas and mantises and coughdrops =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Sutterfield Musician/DJ-Wannabe/Social-Retard Jester Shot Fluid MaLjaMiN joshu@umr.edu http://www.umr.edu/~joshu - --- "the" -- Arnold Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:12:07 EST From: poison me against the moon Subject: updates as some of you may know...i have a little toripagelet on my page, and the past while i've been working on a Tori Amos food list - where i've been analysing the food references in Tori's songs well, it's up...no pictures, but i have to use the scanner for my photgraphy class tomorrow morning (exploit!) and i still don't have any of the Bee Sides lyrics up - i'm still trying to compile a lot of those but if you want to check it out..the tori page can be found at http://topaz.kenyon.edu/people/schmidtj/rainn.htm and the food list: http://topaz.kenyon.edu/people/schmidtj/torifood.htm check it out..if you want - um, yeah ~jordan~crackingunderpressure~ ******************************************************************************** so what's the worth in all of this - blur (http://topaz.kenyon.edu/people/schmidtj) ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: English Tori article from 1991 Hi, Gang: (Are we the Tori Crew? No? Good.) I couldn't resist briefly checking some newspaper index books when I was in the New York Public Library last week. I came away with this article. Small factual error at the outset, (I never heard of her composing before age 4), but otherwise pretty good, I think. It even has a few quotes I'd not been familiar with before. If anyone knows the Brit slang "cod-seduction" I'd appreciate hearing an explanation of that. I don't have time to check British slang books right now. Thanks. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. <>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<>====<> Publication: Manchester Guardian (England) (OCoLC number 10329295) Date: Thursday, November 28, 1991 Page: Section 1, page 21 Article Type: Interview/profile Writer: Andy Darling Photos: One black and white portrait around 3" square--a common early promotional photo of Tori looking into the camera, and wearing a V-neck top. Caption: Tori Amos: `You can't blame everybody, you have to change it' Sur headline: Tori Amos was a musical prodigy who dropped out. Andy Darling charts her fightback Headline: Victim in search of her true voice When Tori Amos was two-and-a-half, she played piano and composed music. At 11, she was kicked out of the prestigious Peabody Institute in Baltimore after several years spent training to be a concert pianist. For the authorities, her unsuitability was clear: she listened to Jimi Hendrix and played by ear. "I failed badly in the child prodigy stakes," she says. "I didn't follow through the expectations. You're six or seven and you think `I'm not digging this, I'm doing it because it's my job.' You're aware of the expectations and you know it's no fun anymore." The burned-out whiz-kid is currently in London, being hailed as the next Kate Bush or Patti Smith. Proving the old adage that learning a musical instrument will always come in handy in later life, she's been making low-key club appearances playing piano and singing her songs. Eyes half-closed, she smiles conspiratorially, but as the songs soon show this is no cod-seduction routine. Taken from her debut EP, Me And A Gun, and forthcoming LP, Little Earthquakes (on the EastWest label), they deal with what she calls "all the different selves" that constitute Tori Amos. Fairy tales, child abuse, rape and rites of passage are among the themes, but there are no straightforward conclusions or moral judgments. In Leather, she laments the lack of love in the world: "Look I'm standing naked before you/Don't you want more than my sex? Oh God, why am I here?" But every time we expect elegies and wistful valedictions, a knife suddenly flicks open. In Silent All These Years she says goodbye to a boyfriend who's found someone new, "a girl who thinks really deep thoughts" and then throws in the showstopper: "Boy you'd best pray that I bleed real soon, how's that thought for you?" If Tori Amos heralds a return to the days of fans deciphering lyrics in search of leitmotifs, a couple of themes will consistently crop up. Her father is a Methodist preacher, her mother part Cherokee Indian. "I wish we could go in a time capsule to a Sunday dinner at my home. You'd think these people are so warm, but boy do you disagree with them. When I was very little I got into trouble for wondering if Jesus had a thing going with Mary Magdalene. My father was real supportive, though, and he took me round when I was starting out. The first place I played was a gay club, and I think most of the guys were more interested in him standing there in his dog collar." School, at the Peabody and elsewhere, was no picnic. "We're taught which sides of our personalities are acceptable and which aren't. The magical side, the naive side, the side that believes in possibilities other than you grow up, take a job, form a place in society and then go to heaven, except for mean old Hitler, no one wants to talk about that." Tori anaesthetised her magical side, moved to LA and had "not quite a clinical nervous breakdown" at 20. "Then I faced up to the fact that since the age of seven or whatever all I'd been doing was trying to please other people rather than myself. I love what I'm doing now, it's all about free expression." Though she proclaims herself "the president of Victims Anonymous", straightforward revenge isn't part of her methodology. "You can't blame everybody, you have to change it. To work through a victim situation, it's about facing the attacker in yourself, tearing away all the layers and wondering if you could have made other choices there. Other women who've been attacked will argue, but I have to look at all sides of it, and that's healing." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:18:35 EST From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: "isn't it ironic..." pink earthquakes "isn't it ironic, don't ya think?" this just clued into me the other day... i was helping a guy on the list locate a copy of the "pink earthquakes" box set... when this box set was issued, it came with either the "little earthquakes" cd or the "under the pink" cd, or with no cd at all.... with the title of the box set being "pink earthquakes" wouldn't have made sence to wait until the aussie-only issue of the 2 cd's came out packaged together? :) - -rusty you can reach rusty at: agentorange2@juno.com or agentorange@mindspring.com "you fucked with my head, you fucked with the dead, now i'm gonna fuck with you" -S.B.Hawkins there are some pictures i took of Poe at various poe sites... wanna see? just ask. please help support R.A.I.N.N.: http://www.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/rainn.htm "excuse me but can i be you for awhile..." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:26:04 -0200 (EDT) From: Martin Muscarello Subject: hi everyone! Hi from Argentina! My name is Nicolas and Im looking for any good soul who can find me the Tori's Us or Uk singles ,cause here the music shops dosent sell them . So , im looking for someone , I would to have all her singles , cause they are really interesting because thy have a lot of B-sides that I dont know. So if anyone can help me i would really apreciate it, ill pay for you to buy it plus the postage cost. Thanks all!!! Write me back!! Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:26:52 -0600 From: cindye@lincnet.com (Cindy Elder) Subject: re: Roseanne stuff > >group/individual or another. The reason we are allowed to listen such >wonderful music as Tori's is because she is allowed to make whatever kind of >subjective comments/criticism she wants to, without someone scilencing her >because they disagree. I'm sorry for blowing this way out of proportion if I >in fact am doing just that, and I do not mean any ill feelings to the >original author of this post (I understand where you're coming from). It's >just that I don't want to see people doing things that create excuses to >quiet all those lovely voices that I enjoy, and whom are working so hard to >increase people's awareness of the evils that exist in modern society (that >sounded really cheesy, but it's true). > Will The problem that *I* see with that "joke" being on Roseanne's show (and btw I LOVE that show) is that I've always thought of "Roseanne" as a cool show cuz the female characters are strong and try to triumph over their problems. I think it's horrible that a show (or another performer or whatever) would down grade someone who is for the same things. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Delirium Subject: rdt can someone be kind enough to mail me the rdt emaillist subscribtion address!? i am having problems! Kristina "In a heart filled with dust lives a creature called lust, it surprises and scares like me, like me." -Bjork "If truly his heart was made of icing and I wonder how mine could taste.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:22:05 EST From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: Letterman... tonight...now hey! if you are up righ this second, this is a reminder... tori is on letterman tonight in about 3 minutes! - -rusty you can reach rusty at: agentorange2@juno.com or agentorange@mindspring.com come see me (& poe) and the picture si took of her: http://www.enter.net/~husselman/poe.html http://www.europa.com/~lyza/music/poe.htm (click "pictures") please help support R.A.I.N.N.: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/rainn.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:40:41 -0800 From: karrie@ix.netcom.com (Xena W. Princess) Subject: Red Key Choker!!! Does ANYONE know where I can get one of those red RAINN key chokers Tori wore on Letterman??? Im dying for one! ~Xena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: Delirium Subject: Letterman! I thought that was one of the best renditions of SATY i have heard. She was decked out in her RAINN gear- did anyone else notice the tiny red key she wore on a thin red string around her neck as well as the exclusive black rainn shirt? You know, i never had much respect for Calvin Klien, especially since his company hadn't stopped teting perfumes on animals into VERY recently, and this whole thing is making me see him and his business in a new light. You got to love Dave, frisking a toriphile!!!!! Later :) Kristina "In a heart filled with dust lives a creature called lust, it surprises and scares like me, like me." -Bjork "If truly his heart was made of icing and I wonder how mine could taste.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:15:27 -0800 From: karrie@ix.netcom.com (Xena W. Princess) Subject: Letterman is a ripoff!! The subject says it all...he could have at LEAST let her have enough time to plug RAINN. AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET A KEY NECKLACE!!!!!!!! ~Xena ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #28 ************************************