From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V2 #18 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, January 20 1997 Volume 02 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RAINN Benefit Concert Info! Re: "God" on Pop-Up Video!!! Rusty, Tori remixes, and homosexuality Re: questions, questions, questions Re: Rusty, Tori remixes, and homosexuality RE: Rusty, Tori remix, and homosexuality Remix courtesy Re: questions, questions, questions Little Earthquakes video ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:40:22 -0500 From: "Michael L. Whitehead" Subject: RAINN Benefit Concert Info! Hello all! I see there has been alot of questions regarding the RAINN benefit show and the lifetime telecast of it and so on! I have a seperate section of my Dent web site with all the latest info on this, so go to: http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html and click on the link to the RAINN Benefit concert page. It should answer most of your questions. In general, the page contains: - -All about the Tori/CK press conference Dec 4th - -Details on the benefit show January 23rd - -How To Order Your Unlock The Silence t-shirts - -How LA folks can win a trip to New York To See Tori! - -Lifetime's broadcast of the concert - -How To Hear 2 songs from the concert on the web at midnight Jan 23rd - -A possible broadcast of the entire concert on the web and various radio stations February 6th - -New York Post Interview With Tori - -The new RAINN web site - -New Promo CD for RAINN which includes Putting The Damage On (The Twilight Mix) Atlantic appears to be really promoting this thing, and that is great! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:38:21 -0600 From: "Mr. Jim" <_james@sava.gulfnet.com> Subject: Re: "God" on Pop-Up Video!!! Hey, kids! Because AstroKitty@aol.com posted: > VH-1's schedule site is at http://vh1.com/progsked.html > (where I tried to go but my server was screwed up :P ) > and they probably have more info on when it'll be aired. > If anyone knows any more about this, please post to the > list! I went to VH1's page and popped-upon this... _______________________________________________________________________ From the VH1 page (http://vh1.com/mikespec.html) VH1's Crossroads: Tori Amos This special segment of VH1's new music showcase features the unique sound of Tori Amos. Songs consist of three covers including "I'm on Fire," "Losing My Religion," and "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" as well as one of Tori's original songs, "Sugar." _______________________________________________________________________ Unfortunately, this was for the week Monday, 13 Jan 97 through Sunday, 19 Jan 97, and the last showing was Sunday morning at 3:00 AM. Did anyone catch this? I didn't see anything about it on any of the Tori-lists last week. I almost hope that VH1's schedule is as screwed-up as MTV's so that there might still be a chance to see it. _james ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /whois _james *** _james is James Dixon <_james@sava.gulfnet.com> *** _james is a Radio Communications Systems Analyst/Technician *** _james lives in Savannah GA USA *** _james works predominately in Hilton Head SC (also USA) *** _james has been idle for ...pretty much all his life *** _james has a strange sense of humour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Playing: "Mohammed My Friend" <><><> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:25:03 CST From: toriphile.bezoar@juno.com (Branen Salmon) Subject: Rusty, Tori remixes, and homosexuality ===================================== = Disclaimer: = I'm not trying to start a flamefest or any immature crap = as such. I'm a bit irate, and quite a bit shocked, to see = such stereotypical and demeaning remarks as I shall = address below. I respect Rusty and his right to carry his = own opinion; however, I can't respect his opinion. Sorry = to make such a long post, but I saw only a few remarks = in regards to what Rusty wrote, and figured that I'd go = ahead and say what I felt I needed to say, since it hadn't = already been said in full. ========== Rusty wrote: >> personlly, i don't really like the new song... "blue skies".... but, i listen to it just because it's new. and i really don't like some of those remixes... but i understand where she's coming from. a large majority of her fan base is gay... they go to clubs, and to keep them happy, we have dance mixes. i'm sure, if she had no gay following at all, we would not have these mixes (atleast not as many of them). << Uh... since when does "dance club" = "homosexual?" "To keep them happy?" -- What kind of crap is this?! Rusty, I respect you and all, but this TOTALLY rubs me the WRONG way. I hate to tell you this, but if "they" are Tori fans, "they" are so because of Tori MUSIC, not Tori's guest vocals on some BT single. "a large majority of her fan base is gay... they go to clubs..." "if she had no gay following at all, we would not have these mixes" -- AHEM! Can we say STEREOTYPE? Look, man, this is WRONG. You are puking out meaningless crap here. You're making it seem like: 1. All gays go to dance clubs since gays are not people and they are all the same 2. These dance-club-gay-non-people-clones listen to Tori just because Mr. Dance Club DJ plays her remixes. 3. Thus, Tori is a shallow fool who crafts these things just so a bunch of dance-club-gay-non-people-clones will listen to her for music that ISN'T WHAT SHE DOES ANYWAY!!!!!!!!! I hate to have to break this to you, but sexual orientation has about as much influence on dance club attendance as hair color has skydiving. Nadda. You're focusing your attention on gays who attend dance clubs and forgetting everyone else. What you're doing is equivalent to focusing your attention on the Christians who were Nazis and from that deducing that all Christians are genocidic murderers. Not exactly all there, eh? By the way, "Blue Skies" is not a remix, nor is it a Tori song. Blue Skies is some kind of techno/dance thing done by a (British?) group called "BT." It's a decent song, but it's not Tori's music. It's BT's music. Just because Tori does the vocals doesn't mean it's her material. Tori did a cover of "Somewhere over the Rainbow." Does that make it her song? No. It's her interpretation, true enough-- she played it the way she wanted it to sound, sang it the way she wanted it to sound, used her artistic license. "Blue Skies" is not Tori's song. Those aren't her notes; that isn't her rhythm, her time... It's just her voice. That's not her song. I don't listen to Tori because of "Blue Skies." That's BT's stuff. I listen to Tori because of HER music. "Winter" is a Tori song. "Blue Skies" isn't. Period. And other dance-related Tori stuff... I don't know why it's there. Maybe she wanted to make it. It's perfectly alright to skip your predominate groove and go do something different for a change. Maybe it's there because Atlantic wanted it there. Beats me. It's not there because that "some of Tori's fans are gay and they'd stop listening to her if she didn't provide music for their dance clubs" crap. You want to know why she's affiliated with dance mixes? Call Warner Elektra Atlantic. It's 800.445.8391 to call their offices in Georgia and 800.552.5476 to Illinois. Ask them. It probably won't get you anywhere, but, hey, at least you won't have to listen to me ranting on like this. All I know is that you just overstepped the boundaries of good taste by totally reducing Tori and anyone who happens not to share your sexual orientation to totally worthless, shallow, brainless, spineless BLOODY MORONS! Which, I hope you would agree, is MOST not true. branen - -- "I don't 'surf the 'net.' That's not my world." - -tori amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:12:10 -0700 From: MeLiSSa Subject: Re: questions, questions, questions I can answer two of these questions >>2. What album did Tori carry around at age five? (she told her father-"This is what I'm going to do")<< I think it was The Beatles Sgt. Pepper album. >>4. what music would Tori have played at her funeral?<< I'm not sure where I read it, but I remember something about Tori saying she'd want "Happy Phantom" played at her funeral. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I taped LoveLine but it cut off right after Tori says, "I'm sure she's *very* satisfied." Can anyone tell me how much of the end I missed? now she seems to be sand under his shoes... there's nothing i can do... Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:27:12 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Rusty, Tori remixes, and homosexuality No. We are *not* going to have this discussion here. The entire point of this list is not to have discussions like this. I had thought this whole thread had managed to quickly and quietly die out, but now I'm telling you to stop it. Mike (list co-owner) | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | | reaching-from-nowhere-request@ecto.org | | Precious-Things -- The Other Tori Amos Discussion List | | precious-things-request@smoe.org | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 22:27:44 UT From: "Mickey Sun" Subject: RE: Rusty, Tori remix, and homosexuality I do not listen to Tori for her dance "remixes". I'm pretty certain if not positive that most if not all of her listeners, gay or straight, female or male, listen to Tori because they can identify with her feelings. Now, being the social introvert that I am, I do not go to clubs often. Actually, I have never been in a club all of my life. I do not know the exact percentage of gay people who attend clubs and I don't believe that is relevant. Although I completely understand Rusty's frustration for these butchered versions of Tori's songs, I don't believe that the remixes would stop if gay people started attending clubs. If a certain song is considered "hot", the record company will squeeze it for all it's worth. Unfortunately, Professional Widow (one of my faves) has been mercilessly mutilated beyond recognition (apologies to those who like it, but I do not consider the Pro. Widow remixes to be Tori songs). I have found that Tori's music appeal mostly to those who share the same life experiences Tori experienced. For as long as I can remember, our society has persecuted people for their sexual preferences (race, gender, wealth applies also). To this day, gays are still shunned, laughed at, forced to conceal their true feelings, and just generally pissed on by mainstream society. Tori's gone through some of the same things in her life. I am still going through some of these same things right now in life. What I'm trying to say is that Tori's music is not for gay or straight people. It's for ANYONE who has an open ear and who's will to listen and face themselves. Now, I've only been alive for 19 years, so I can't say that I truly know what I'm talking about, but this is how I feel. I used to be really homophobic two years ago. It was mainly because I played football in high school and it was an environment of strict heterosexuality. As I look back, I can't believe how many times I've used the terms 'faggot' 'homo' 'queer' against another guy. Deep down inside, I was afraid of what I didn't understand and I never really understood how a man could be attracted to another man sexually (emotionally maybe, but not sexually). But now, I'm not homophobic anymore because I now understand that love is love. The more I think about how gays are treated, the more it pisses me off. I mean love is the fundamental basis of our being. Without love, life would be empty and just plain crappy. No one should be able to tell a person whom they should love. Not congress. Not the church. These are just some of my incoherent thoughts. Have a great one. Mickey - -- the spirit lives on - -Heather Nova ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 22:36:47 UT From: "Mickey Sun" Subject: Remix courtesy If you wish to response to what I wrote about the Remix thread, please as a courtesy to the list, do so privately. My email is MickeySun@msn.com Mickey - -- the spirit lives on - -Heather Nova ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 19:05:20 -0700 From: Zaedryn Meade Subject: Re: questions, questions, questions Hey, that was a good one - I never thought of *cheating* on the quiz and trying to ask the newsgroups if they knew. I was trying to figure them all out on my own. Zaedryn Meade http://toriamos.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:52:33 -0700 From: MeLiSSa Subject: Little Earthquakes video Okay, I have a problem. I've been trying for awhile to get The Little Earthquakes video, but nowhere in town ever has it in stock. Then the other day I had some money so I went over to Zia Records and talked to someone there and found out it could be special ordered and all that. So I ordered it. Then tonight they called me and told me that the video is no longer being made so they can't order it. Does anyone have any information on where I can get this? If anyone knows where they have it in stock and they could go pick it up for me, I'd be happy to send money for the price of the tape, postage, and extra for your time. Thanks in advance. now she seems to be sand under his shoes... there's nothing i can do... Melissa ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V2 #18 ************************************