From: owner-precious-things-digest To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V1 #233 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, 17 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: cornflake girl/blood roses Re: precious-things-digest V1 #232 rabbit Re: rabbit Re: cornflake girl/blood roses Re: rabbit Re: cornflake girl/blood roses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckone7@juno.com (Scott J Francisco) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:26:09 EST Subject: Re: cornflake girl/blood roses I always understood CornFlake girl, but I never understood the part about "Rabbit where did you put the keys, girl" I always thought Cornflkae girl was about how frinedships change and how people change. I always thought the song was mostly about females though. I don't know. Maybe we all have a different interprataion. Scott >~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~> This wonderful message is from Scott Francisco I think I'll go for a walk outside now the summer sun's calling my name, (I hear it now) just can't wait inside all day... - - The Brady Children ------------------------------ From: Jeannie Cook Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:54:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V1 #232 ok, about cornflake girl. whoever it was who came up with that in the shower (sorry forgot who it was) is much smarter than i am :) or maybe its just cause i've never read the book anyway, i have an article here in my hands from Life magazine, feb 7,1994. and i quote *************************************************************************** On Cornflake Girl, - inspired by Alice Walker's _Possessing the Secret of Joy_", which exposes the tribal tradition of mutilating women's genitials - - Amos examines how women betray each other. "In the book, it wasn't the men, it was the mothers, the ones you trusted more than anyone, telling you it's the best thing for you," she says. "It brought and ache to my being. What we as women haven't really owned is how we withhold from each other - we'll cut each other out of our lives so fast if we feel our position's being threatened. We don't look at how vicious we can be toward each other. You can blame men for eternity, but the blame is not going to give us self empowerment." *************************************************************************** Congratz to whoever figured that one out. You hit it right on the nose :) In Tori, jeannie jlc9@netdoor.com ------------------------------ From: "raisin girl" Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:30:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: rabbit about "rabbit, where'd you put the keys girl", all i know about that is that it was mentioned in the 'take to the sky' (#7) fanzine thing that rabbit is one of tori's friends. from a letter from the editor: "lastly i feel i owe and explanation to tori's friend rabbit (as named in 'cornflake girl'); unfortunately our budget wouldn't allow for a 'scatch 'n' sniff' cover on issue 5 but i'll be sending another copy to replace your now very tatty one. rabbit, i could not agree with you more, we are very naughty boys and thoroughly deserve to be severely punished...please come soon. the rest, i don't know!! ============================================================================== raisin girl + got enough guilt to start + business grrrl & dj + my own religion... 0 -ta + kmnr 89.7 fm aka leah ellis + 000 + 341-4272 lellis@umr.edu + 0 + show: 6am-9am univ.of mo. rolla + 0 + thursdays 573.341.9247 + www.umr.edu/~lellis + ============================================================================== ...and this little masochist is lifting up her dress --tori amos ------------------------------ From: Kimmy Jenkins Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:37:21 -0500 Subject: Re: rabbit raisin girl wrote: > > about "rabbit, where'd you put the keys girl", all i know about that is > that it was mentioned in the 'take to the sky' (#7) fanzine thing that > rabbit is one of tori's friends. > > from a letter from the editor: > > "lastly i feel i owe and explanation to tori's friend rabbit (as named > in 'cornflake girl'); unfortunately our budget wouldn't allow for a > 'scatch 'n' sniff' cover on issue 5 but i'll be sending another copy to > replace your now very tatty one. rabbit, i could not agree with you > more, we are very naughty boys and thoroughly deserve to be severely > punished...please come soon. On another note, I'd like to ad that in a Tori interview (sorry, I have a stack of them and I am *not* looking for that peticular one just to get a line out) Tori mentions the rabbit and how in many Native American tribes, the rabbit is a symbol for fear. Oh, heck...lemme just go look for the freakin inteview... 10 minutes later... Ok, got it...This is from the Baltimore Sun: "...Part of this record is dealing with betrayal of women, between women. These three [Cornflake, Bells, waitress], "Cornflake" is, I have been reading "Possessing the Secret of Joy" by Alice Walker [this is for whom ever mentioned this in a previous post]. I don't know if you have read that. It went into depth of just women betraying women, and how the mothers really sold the daughter to the butchers, and had their genitalia removed, et cetera..." Ok, that quote seems to bring out the idea of how Tori's albums are all based around one time/emotion...You guys know what I mean? Most of Under The Pink seems to be revolving aroung the bond between women and the recognition of that. Eh? Ok, back to the rabbit: "The second verse supports the whole thing. 'Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl?' Rabbit, in certain Indian traditions, it represents fear." Ok...well that was pretty much what I said. Itsa lil' prettier in quotes though. Hope i could help - -Kim ------------------------------ From: John Wolfe Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:20:37 -0500 Subject: Re: cornflake girl/blood roses At 01:00 AM 11/16/96 EST, you wrote: >are you sure it's based on the Alice Walker book? Tori has mentioned many times that Cornflake Girl was inspired by _possesing the secret of joy_. ( I think that's the name). =20 >i was listening to cornflake girl and became happy that i have only two= close >female friends, less backstabbing (heh...i'm kidding) I love everyone of my female friends better than any of my male friends. I know it sounds weird, but I really do. I just feel this connection with them, I can be myself. I think that between males, there is a definate pecking order and I think that guys have to be different people when they're around other males. It's weird. Plus, I find my girl friends to be so much deeper and mature.... - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =B3"To Pele, to those who have brought me to Pele, to person (a=20 =B3particular faerie) and all non particular Faeries." =20 =B3Email-- jwolfe@1stresource.com =20 - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- ------------------------------ From: Will Nunn Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:28:17 -0500 Subject: Re: rabbit I know this seems a bit silly but it was one coincidence I always found rather surprising. When Tori says "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys girl?" it is sometimes hard to pick up the "t" at the end of rabbit so it sometimes sounds like Rabbi. I always though this to be a rather interesting coincidence seeing as the song is about female circumcision. Now I know that Rabbi's don't (to the extent of my knowledge) circumcise women, but in some bizzare, ethnocentric, recess of my mind I often assosciated them (Rabbi's) with circumcision..... then again, maybe I'm just wierd. Will ============================================================= Will nunn WPI Chem. Eng. Comp. Sci. "If it wasn't for dissapointment, I wouldn't have any appointments" -TMBG, Snowball in Hell www PAGE: http://www.wpi.edu/~tanis/ ftp://chesspieceface.res.wpi.edu/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ From: Kristina L Goetz Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:56:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: cornflake girl/blood roses Well, female circumsizion is a custum upheld by the women in a tribe, so in that manner it is also about female betrayal...... ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V1 #233 *************************************