From: owner-precious-things-digest To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V1 #225 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, 9 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Red Baron/Angie Dickinson Omaha Ne show 11/7 red baron and angie Re: Not the Red Baron administrivia, blah blah blah Re: Black swan? Re: Hy guys & The Anastasia connection... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Laurie-Wan Kenobi Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Red Baron/Angie Dickinson Hi all! Sam wrote: > Thanks Laurie for the great Angie D. explanation :) You're welcome! I'm not saying that it's the only explanation, but i think it's an interesting one! > re: Tori's improvisation on the Dunblane shooting at her Portsmouth show: > > Wow! Does anyone have that on tape? > Actually, I've got a tape of the Portsmouth show if anyone wants to swap > for a copy. I didn't mention it before as I thought that would be taboo > from the Precious Things rules?? (sorry I'm new here) Oh yeah, i forgot. Sorry. Was that breaking the rules? I only just got here. I won't do it again, i promise. > Re: what is Red Baron about > I think with Tori you have to say no way is Red Baron about only one > dimension of death - all the deaths you list all feel right in the context > of the song, which is what I love about her lyrics. Yeah, i agree with you there. I didn't mean to sound as if there were only one meaning. With Tori there are dozens of levels. But you know that already. But i still feel that the end of this relationship, and the need to feel compassion for the other person, are the primary meaning of the album version. I am sure that other meanings take precedence when she's performing live.... > I was thinking about the related songs thread and I noticed that ribbons > come up alot in Tori's lyrics (Mother, Mary). So even the prettiest red > ribbons is ambiguous. Its AIDS, but its also something to do with > childhood? Maybe like the death (or loss) of the dreams of > love/relationships/life that the child Tori wearing those ribbons had? Or > maybe its the loss of that child and then it ties in with the Poppy don't > go themes? Black Swan also relates the child (gumdrops and Saturdays) with > the breakup (did Eric call by the way) which leads us back to Red Baron > being about the death of a relationship as well as literal death??? > Hmmm..... Is Black Swan really about a breakup? As far as i know, they were still together then. Maybe it's a tour song, and she's been looking forward to hearing from Eric because she's been on the road, without him. I noticed the ribbons too. They always seem to deal with childhood, though i can't think at the moment how that would be related to Not the Red Baron, unless they were about loss of innocence (did you say that?), which would then relate to a relationship, because there's this point where suddenly you know it's not going to be all happy and nice. Which i guess could be a corollary to the loss of innocence most people experience when they're growing up. But i still don't understand why the line is "Many there know the girls with red ribbons, the prettiest red ribbons." How is it connected? Anyone got a clue? Who are these girls? And where is there? In the flames, perhaps? > If I should at this point stop rambling and enter into private > correspondence about this let me know and I'll shut up! > I'm going off to think some more about lyrics now. Thanks guys for all the > inspiration. I don't know about anyone else, but i'm having a great time thinking about the songs, and discussing them with other people who have obviously thought about them. 8) -=-laurie ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: I love the dream that you've begun :: :: beneath the evergreen :: :: I love the pebble and the sun :: :: and all that's in between :: :: -=-Leonard Cohen :: :: Into the air, into the earth, into the fire. I am with you. :: :: -=-Orson Scott Card :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ From: cindye@lincnet.com (Cindy Elder) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:42:59 -0600 Subject: Omaha Ne show 11/7 First of all, Josh Clayton-Felt was a lot better than I thought he would be and the Omaha croud responded well to him. He reminded me of Bob Dylan. anyway... setlist: Beauty Queen/Horses Leather ???/Hurt(only about a verse)/Blood Roses--the first part, she played the rhythms on the harpsicord and sang something about "coming to the cornland" and "before they met Pele" Little Amsterdam Cornflake Girl--awesome dance! The audience wasn't really sure what Tori was doing, most people looked around at each other like "what the hell?". The audience reaction was as good as Tori's dance! :) Honey Little Earthquakes--this sounded great, but the way the lighting is, the lights from the stage are constantly in the audiences eyes. Since that song is so long, it got a little annoying after awhile... Precious Things-- I believe it was before this that Tori whispered into the mike, both her hands around it,(I'm paraphrasing) "I sing to myself and they think I'm crazy...I like to sing in the shower and the people next door bang on the wall and tell me to shut up. If only they knew. They'd pay 23 fucking dollars to see me play!" BTW, "grrl" was only about 25.75 secs. Most of the audience didn't respond to it, but it was grrreat! :) Also, she didn't do alot of the deep gutteral sounds like she has done. Instead she got quieter and said "wash me clean...daddy, I'm sorry." and ended the song with "I'm sorry, daddy". Marianne--this was _so_ beautiful, I cried through the whole song. Towards the end it sounded like Tori was going to cry. Caught a Lite Sneeze Talula Me & a Gun--the audience was pretty good during this song, once she got past the first couple words. At the verse that goes, "when you're flat on your stomach", she said "flat" _loudly_ and it startled everyone one in the theatre. *First encore* Silent All These Years Smells Like Teen Spirit *Second encore* Waitress Daisy Dead Petals Hey Jupiter--I loved the orange light behind the piano at the end of HJ, it looked like a setting sun... Well, that's it. It really was a magical night. For me, it was the perfect set list and every song was great. The time flew by and when M&aG came, I knew the end was near. :( Also, Tori sounded great(I figured she'd sound a *little* tired since it's the end of the tour) and when I met her before the show, she looked rested. Cindy ------------------------------ From: "we go at eachother like blank ettes..." Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:05:48 EST Subject: red baron and angie angie dickinson....sorry i thought that the red ribbons were the people, all the little girls with them rather, were the people who knew the person who died ~many there know some girls with red ribbons~ little gilrs - innocent ones - who knew the person who died - the pilot that went down and thanks for the angie dickinson exp. i've been trying to figure that out for a while ~jordan~in her party dress~ ******************************************************************************** impale me now! ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: mfgr@bart.nl (Marcel F G Rijs) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 21:11:14 -0100 Subject: Re: Not the Red Baron Hi, >From: Will Nunn >Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 07:26:52 -0500 >Subject: Re: Not the Red Baron > >>Maybe you guys can help me?!?! In "Not the Red Baron" what does the guy >>in the begining say to Tori? It really bothers me I can't understand him. > >I've always wondered about it too. The extent of my knowledge is that there >is not actually a person talking to Tori (that we can hear) but that there >is a recording of two dutch pilots speaking (in dutch). Tori seems to be >talking to someone in the background about the recording (Tori says: "What >Language?" Person who we can't hear suggests something and then Tori says >"No, Dutch."). Has anyone managed to translate the tape or at least figure >out what it is generally about? > > Will It's better than that. When Tori performed live in Den Haag in March this year I managed to speak to Marcel van Limbeek, who assisted in the recording of the CD. The story is as follows: during the recording of the CD, "Red baron" was one of those one-take tracks. They were actually testing a new mike, as an other one had broken down. Marcel and Rob were talking about technical stuff through walkie-talkies. (Are they called that where you live?) They were just discussing the sound level and the compression or something like that. Somehow, Tori picked up the talking in her headphones and asked what language they were using. Marcel replied "Dutch", and asked if they should stop talking. Tori motioned to them to go on, however, and Marcel asked if they should talk in English. Tori answers: "No, Dutch", which is what you hear on the recording. The talking does _sound like_ pilots, but that's just what inspired Tori to the lyrics. "Not the Red Baron" was recorded in one take. I hope this clears up the confusion about this particular question!! Greetings, ** Marcel F G Rijs - "Conan the librarian" - Den Haag - The Netherlands (EUROPE) ** Internet: mfgr@bart.nl - WWW: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/marcel ** JOIN THE KIM WILDE MAILING LIST: Send a subscribe message to mfgr@bart.nl ------------------------------ From: sister ernestine Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:21:00 -0500 Subject: administrivia, blah blah blah also sprach Sam Free <106247.2224@compuserve.com>: >Actually, I've got a tape of the Portsmouth show if anyone wants to swap >for a copy. I didn't mention it before as I thought that would be taboo >from the Precious Things rules?? (sorry I'm new here) wellllll...not really. the posting guidelines (and they are guidelines, not rules) are aimed at preventing flamefests and excessive topic drift. offering or asking for tapes is kosher on precious-things, though trade details should be worked out off the list (of course). speaking of which, i've revised the guidelines somewhat to focus our emphasis on what precious-things is *not*. i have not updated the info file yet, but have updated the web page for this list. i have not tried to make the list's page an all-encompassing toripage, but is the place to look if you have any questions about the list itself. the page is at http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/pt.html. >The improvisation >is beautiful but only about 45s long so in theory I could put that clip in >a wav file and post it to anyone who just wants that bit? Or I could post >it here but would it be too big? please do not post binary files to the list. not everyone's mailer can support the various encoding techniques used to transfer binary files though e-mail. instead, if anyone wants to distribute a binary file to folks on p-t, contact me and i'll give the file a home on smoe.org. woj ------------------------------ From: Sam Free <106247.2224@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:39:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Black swan? Hiya! Laurie said: > Is Black Swan really about a breakup? As far as i know, they were > still together then. and Chelsea said: >Wait a second. I thought "Black Swan" was written during the LE sessions, > which would mean that Tori & Eric were still going out. Unless their > relationship was unhealthy as far back as 1992, this could be a bit wrong. Ooops, sorry guys - of course you're right - that's what comes of philosophising about lyrics at 3AM :) I didn't realise it was written as early as 92 though? Do you know the story behind why it came out later? Have any other early songs turned up on later albums? Sam ------------------------------ From: Sam Free <106247.2224@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:39:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Hy guys & The Anastasia connection... Re: Anastasia If anyone wants to know details of the Anastasia story I can recommend Peter Kurth's book "Anastasia - The Life of Anna Anderson" which is one of the most fascinating (and tragic) books I've ever read. Its also the book in the foreground in several shots in the UTP Tour program. Sam ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V1 #225 *************************************