From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #185 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, August 19 2002 Volume 07 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: toriamos.com mailings [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: toriamos.com mailings [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: toriamos.com mailings [Cyndi S Crawford ] Poor Tori... (rant) [Topher ] Tori's Crayon Drawings ["ForgottenSecret" ] Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings [Yessaid@aol.com] Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings [Nadyne Mielke ] RE: Tori's Crayon Drawings ["ForgottenSecret" ] Re: toriamos.com mailings [Mikewhy ] RE: Poor Tori... (rant) ["i ' t s t r e n t , y a b i z z o ! ! !" ] Re: Poor Tori... (rant) [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings [Cyndi S Crawford ] RE: Poor Tori... (rant) ["h." ] Re: Poor Tori... (rant) ["Mark Harbott" ] SW and releases Formats... ["cdrv" ] Re: toriamos.com mailings [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: Poor Tori... (rant) [Richard Handal ] Tori on KROQ, 8/19 (?) [guapo stick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:03:53 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings I found a few (all?) of them on http://www.hereinmyhead.com in the "Big Picture" section. - -- - -- -bt - -- Brian K Tanaka typed the following words: > Kasia typed the following words: > > > > >>she looks younger & younger<< > > > > that's right! on the last photos she's just so beautiful. I can't wait new > > photos. The best thing is that she doesn't look like some sexy chick. She > > looks like woman. Like beautiful woman. > > Urf! OK. Rare is the time I regret not using a graphical mail > program, but this is one of those times! These photos that folks are > raving about... Perhaps they've ended up on someone's website where > someone who missed them can see what all the fuss is about? (I don't > see them on www.toriamos.com or elsewhere.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:50:03 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings Kasia typed the following words: > > >>she looks younger & younger<< > > that's right! on the last photos she's just so beautiful. I can't wait new > photos. The best thing is that she doesn't look like some sexy chick. She > looks like woman. Like beautiful woman. Urf! OK. Rare is the time I regret not using a graphical mail program, but this is one of those times! These photos that folks are raving about... Perhaps they've ended up on someone's website where someone who missed them can see what all the fuss is about? (I don't see them on www.toriamos.com or elsewhere.) - -- - -- -bt - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:26:24 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings >...The best thing is that she doesn't look like some sexy chick. She looks like woman. Like beautiful woman.< I think part of that beauty comes from her being a mother. There's just that look about her, to me, that's there because she's a mother, etc. I think she's always looked pretty, beautiful, etc ANYWAY, but now, it's a little different. Plus, like Kasia said, it's not the "sexy young chick" look anymore. She's getting older (she's about to turn 39 in five days!!) and even tho we're not seeing wrinkles or anything like that, her age is kinda starting to show--and that makes her look even BETTER. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:43:59 +0200 From: Topher Subject: Poor Tori... (rant) I've been a lurker on this list for something like 6 years now.... and I just heard the soundclip of "A Sorta Fairytale"... *sigh*... I am so disppointed to see that Tori feels obliged to make MTV-formatted songs... I can totally imagine the trendy video that's going to go with it... Okay, granted, ever since "Crucify", she's been pretty much radio-friendly but she was just starting her career then... To me, "Under The Pink" still remains her most intricate and elaborate album to date. "Boys For Pele" was striving to be experimental here and there... but I think she lost it after that... "Songs From The Choirgirl Hotel" is filled with radio-friendly stuff, but thank God, tracks like "Pandora's Aquarium" show the difference in songwriting between her and, say, Sheryl Crow. I won't even mention "To Venus And Back"... I believe its only interests resides in the gorgeous live CD. However, I have to say that "Strange Little Girls" reconciliated me with her originality. Don't get me wrong, she doesn't *need* to make anything complicated in order to be valuable in my eyes, but we know that she can experiment with talent and the question is, why doesn't she do that more often anymore (not to say exclusively) ? Any Britney lookalike out there could write a song like "A Sorta Fairytale". It's very annoying for me to see her so much involved in a system where she thinks she needs such exposure. Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush made it through the years and even their most famous songs were always original and never resembled something someone else could do. Tori could go this way but she doesn't. I'm conscious that this whole rant could sound like a major flame to most but I guess I need to hear different points of view about this. Topher. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:27:07 +0100 From: "ForgottenSecret" Subject: Tori's Crayon Drawings I'm sure there is a book with Tori's drawings in them and explaining about them. It's bugged me for quite a while cos I can't remember which book or where. Any ideas or help? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:30:48 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings when we last left our heroes, Brian K Tanaka (btanaka@well.com) exclaimed: >Urf! OK. Rare is the time I regret not using a graphical mail >program, but this is one of those times! that wouldn't have helped you since the pictures weren't posted to the list! ;) >These photos that folks are raving about... Perhaps they've ended up >on someone's website where someone who missed them can see what all the >fuss is about? (I don't see them on www.toriamos.com or elsewhere.) there are two -- one which was on the netscape music front page and the other was on the first listen page . the former is gone (replaced by ludicris! woo hoo!) but the latter is still there. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:42:56 -0400 From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings Hi... you can see a gallery of crayon drawings by Tori on my site (www.yessaid.com). The Under the Pink sheet music book had crayon drawings for each song on the album, and you can still buy that for around $20, I think. Q magazine printed a "Tori Diary" from 1994 and it had a few crayon doodles, too. And there's one pictured in the All These Years book on the cover of a 1994 tour promo. The lovely self-portrait. ok, bye jason www.yessaid.com t o r i p h o r i a In a message dated Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:27:07 +0100, forgottensecret@kizzycollins.com writes: > > I'm sure there is a book with Tori's drawings in them > and explaining about them. It's bugged me for quite a > while cos I can't remember which book or where. > > Any ideas or help? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:47:20 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings At 13:27 18-08-02 +0100, ForgottenSecret wrote: >I'm sure there is a book with Tori's drawings in them >and explaining about them. It's bugged me for quite a >while cos I can't remember which book or where. >Any ideas or help? I believe that you're talking about the _Under the Pink_ sheet music book. HTH. :) /nm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:54:42 +0100 From: "ForgottenSecret" Subject: RE: Tori's Crayon Drawings Hi it was your site I saw them on which is why I asked where they had been publsihed, seeing them on your site reminded me that I saw them quite a while ago in a book I guess it was the lsheet music book. Thanks :) - -----Original Message----- From: Yessaid@aol.com [mailto:Yessaid@aol.com] Sent: 18 August 2002 16:43 To: forgottensecret@kizzycollins.com; precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings Hi... you can see a gallery of crayon drawings by Tori on my site (www.yessaid.com). The Under the Pink sheet music book had crayon drawings for each song on the album, and you can still buy that for around $20, I think. Q magazine printed a "Tori Diary" from 1994 and it had a few crayon doodles, too. And there's one pictured in the All These Years book on the cover of a 1994 tour promo. The lovely self-portrait. ok, bye jason www.yessaid.com t o r i p h o r i a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:20:03 -0400 From: "camaris" Subject: Re: Poor Tori... (rant) Hello, all. I don't often post here (I'm a lurker by nature) but I feel compelled to reply to this particular bit. I don't agree that ASF-- or indeed anything on Choirgirl-- is "Mtv-formatted" or even extremely radio friendly. To me, A Sorta Fairytale is like a lake; it may seem calm and even on the surface, but beneath there are some strange things going on. I suggest you listen to the full, album version a few times before you make a hasty decision about the song. The more I've listened to it, the more layers I've found in the song. Beneath the catchy melody there is a sadness, a wistfulness and a story. As for poor, underrated Choirgirl...I don't find it any more radio friendly than Under the Pink. The only difference I find is more electronic flourishes. Overall, the lyrics and song structures are still quirky as ever. I could go on because I've disagreed with mostly everything you've written (no offense), but the day grows old and I've got a job to get to. Take care, Carrie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Topher" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: Poor Tori... (rant) > > I've been a lurker on this list for something like 6 years now.... > and I just heard the soundclip of "A Sorta Fairytale"... *sigh*... > > I am so disppointed to see that Tori feels obliged to make > MTV-formatted songs... I can totally imagine the trendy video that's > going to go with it... Okay, granted, ever since "Crucify", she's > been pretty much radio-friendly but she was just starting her career > then... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:33:31 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings >there are two -- one which was on the netscape music front page http://netscape.com/music/ > and the other was on the first listen page >. the >former is gone (replaced by ludicris! woo hoo!) but the latter is still >there. The former photo that is gone from netscape.com is still available at thedent.com! - -- Mikewhy, From one of my beloved Macs - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com A Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => "my fear is greater than my faith" Tori Amos - Suede - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:54:48 -0400 From: "i ' t s t r e n t , y a b i z z o ! ! !" Subject: RE: Poor Tori... (rant) I have to agree wholeheartedly with Carrie here. I think her analogy of ASF being like a lake is totally right on. And for the life of me, I cannot understand the notion that ANYTHING that Tori does can be perceived as "radio-friendly". You show me a radio station that plays anything off Choirgirl or Venus (or SLG for that matter) on a regular basis and I'll shut my mouth. I sincerely doubt radio really knows what to do with someone like Tori Amos. If she sang "Baby One More Time" they still wouldn't play her..... If your opinion is that Tori is becoming "radio-friendly" then that's your perception....and in the grand scheme of things, who cares if she gets radio/MTV play...... Mark my words--Tori Amos will never become an MTV video star nor will she ever be a huge radio star..... and that is fine by me :) trent - -----Original Message----- From: owner-precious-things@smoe.org [mailto:owner-precious-things@smoe.org] On Behalf Of camaris Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:20 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: Poor Tori... (rant) Hello, all. I don't often post here (I'm a lurker by nature) but I feel compelled to reply to this particular bit. I don't agree that ASF-- or indeed anything on Choirgirl-- is "Mtv-formatted" or even extremely radio friendly. To me, A Sorta Fairytale is like a lake; it may seem calm and even on the surface, but beneath there are some strange things going on. I suggest you listen to the full, album version a few times before you make a hasty decision about the song. The more I've listened to it, the more layers I've found in the song. Beneath the catchy melody there is a sadness, a wistfulness and a story. As for poor, underrated Choirgirl...I don't find it any more radio friendly than Under the Pink. The only difference I find is more electronic flourishes. Overall, the lyrics and song structures are still quirky as ever. I could go on because I've disagreed with mostly everything you've written (no offense), but the day grows old and I've got a job to get to. Take care, Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:30:14 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Poor Tori... (rant) >Mark my words--Tori Amos will never become an MTV video star nor will she ever be a huge radio star..... and that is fine by me :)< fine by me too, but will she EVER win a freakin' Grammy?? I want her to win a Grammy this time! o_O Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:26:28 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Tori's Crayon Drawings >I'm sure there is a book with Tori's drawings in them and explaining about them. It's bugged me for quite a while cos I can't remember which book or where.< I saw them on the Toriphoria webpage.. and I think that where the crayon drawings came from originally was the Under The Pink songbook. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:45:10 -0700 From: "h." Subject: RE: Poor Tori... (rant) i agree with everything you said, camaris :) and the only unabashedly poppy song i hear, so far, is "taxi ride," but that's no poppier than "glory of the 80's" or "strange little girl" -- and i think it's a better song than either of those two! i can't wait for this new cd. i have a very good feeling in my gut about it, based on what i've heard so far. redstamen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:21:51 -0500 From: "Mark Harbott" Subject: Re: Poor Tori... (rant) Hey Thought I'd respond to some of the thoughts in this thread. I think I posted a few weeks ago about A Sorta Fairytale and how I thought it was something that pretty much anyone could have written. Well, some time and a good few listens later, I have changed my mind. Previous comments about this song being layered are so true (to me at least). There is a lot more going on in this song than first meets the "ears", and maybe if you persist a little with it, you will hear it too. I have to agree that the album version is probably what pushed me over. It says a lot more and changed my whole take on the meaning of the song. It's very interesting that Topher mentioned disappointment with FTCGH, TVAB and even BFP, but felt that SLG was Tori being original again. Many people really didn't connect with SLG. I guess we all are listening to the same thing, but hearing different things; and what we hear depends on our own little contexts and perceptions and that's really what makes music (and people) so fascinating. As for the comments about FTGH and TVAB being more radio friendly, I have to agree with Trent. I don't find them radio friendly at all. In fact, I remember hearing a whole lot more of Cornflake Girl and God on the radio than anything from the aforementioned albums. I am looking forward to this album immensely, and despite saying that I wouldn't listen to any of the other songs except ASF, I just couldn't keep to that word. For those that haven't heard or thought that Tori had somehow lost her way (whatever that is), just wait until "Gold Dust" grabs you by the throat........ Later Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:05:19 -0300 From: "cdrv" Subject: SW and releases Formats... Hi Guys! The new pics are amazing! I love them and yes, she looks SOOOOOO gorgeous!, Anyway my question is the following: 1- Do you think there will be any VINYL ALBUM release for the new Album? I was sort of dissapointed that the SLG was cancelled :(. I am in the hopes of a really nice Vinyl release becuase, there was no one for TV&B, and the Choirgirl one was nice, but nothing near the BFP ones ;) Do you think this will happen, like a nice Clear Vinyl release for the new album, with this beautiful pics ? :) See Ya :) Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:45:57 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: toriamos.com mailings Mikewhy typed the following words: > > woj typed the following words: > > > >there are two -- one which was on the netscape music front page >http://netscape.com/music/ > and the other was on the first listen page > >. the > >former is gone (replaced by ludicris! woo hoo!) but the latter is still > >there. > > The former photo that is gone from netscape.com is still available at > thedent.com! Thanks Mike and woj! I don't know how I managed to miss it on the Dent, Mike; I'm sure that's the first place I looked. Here's the URL to the frame with the SW pictures on www.hereinmyhead.com: http://www.hereinmyhead.com/bigpic/walk/index.html It has the front and back of the sampler and, I think, all the SW photos so far including a nice one of her (well, half of her) standing in front of blue sky with big clouds. (And a knoll that could have a teletubby on it without causing much surprise.) I haven't seen that last one elsewhere yet, but then again we've established I've been missing stuff lately! So, I don't know why I bother wondering about things like this, but anyone know (or wonder) who the person climbing out of the car is in: http://thedent.com/pics2002/scarletpromo1.jpg - -- - -- -bt - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Poor Tori... (rant) Topher said: > I'm conscious that this whole rant could sound like a major flame to > most but I guess I need to hear different points of view about this. It's always fascinating to me to hear how strongly some people cannot stand some albums or find them pointless or thrown together, and others find those to be some of their favorites and cite the depth and layered meaning in those very albums which others have found to be rushed and superficial. Trying to get to the bottom of such contradictions would be a process too involved for me to be able to engage in on this mailing list. I guess my main comment about what we've heard of this upcoming one is nothing that wasn't already said, and said well, by others earlier in this thread. There really *is* a lot going on in these songs, and I am not finding myself able to fault them for having perhaps a veneer of polish to them. If that makes them instantly accessible to a wider audience then I'll be thrilled about that. In the meantime, I've found them to be wonderful company. I recently gave the Little Earthquakes album a listen at volume on a swell stereo, which is something I hadn't done in a great long time. It was startling to me how much was going on in the mix that gets lost on mediocre stereos and at lower volume. Although it seems to me the albums since then have been mixed such that they reveal more of themselves on lesser stereos, it also seems to be the case that when played on great stereos they reveal tremendous sonic depth, and to anyone finding themself less than entirely happy with any of the albums I strongly recommend they play them on something other than their pitiful portables and give them the opportunity to breathe with great deep breaths and see if this might allow them to make a more enlightening impression. > Any Britney lookalike out there could write a song like "A Sorta > Fairytale". I strongly disagree with that statement. You seem to have only heard the RealAudio clip of the single edit, Topher. Do what you can to reserve judgment until you've heard the full album version on a quality stereo and let us know if that makes a different impression--although I also believe that writing even that single edit of Fairytale would not be possible for Britney or anyone else who comes to mind, look-alike or not. One general comment I've had forming in my mind recently is how much of a nut Tori is for sonic quality and the mix being just right in every respect, yet at the same time she complains about people hearing the MP3s of the new songs which weren't in their final mastered version or how glad she was a couple weeks or so before Venus was released to find out I had not heard an early promo yet because " . . . we did a final master a few days ago and we boosted the mid-range by 1db," she somehow finds it acceptable for people to get their first taste of Scarlet online as it's being streamed at what, for me with my 56k modem connection, was 32.3Kbps. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:57:41 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Tori on KROQ, 8/19 (?) - ----- Forwarded message from violet@torithoughts.org ----- Subject: Tori on KROQ, 8/19 (?) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:20 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org To: torinews@smoe.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.20 We're told that Tori might be a guest on L.A.'s Kevin & Bean morning radio show on Monday (8/19). The show airs on KROQ (106.7). If you're in the area, tune in and see. They used to stream the show live via the web site, but it doesn't look like that option's available any longer. Still, they will most likely archive the interview on the "sights & sound" section of the K&B page afterwards. http://www.kroq.com/kevinandbean/kb.html - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #185 *************************************