From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #156 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, July 16 2002 Volume 07 : Number 156 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: more metaphors than Mr Metaphor who's just graduated in [Richard Hand] [none] ["Claire Cross" ] Re: more metaphors than Mr Metaphor who's just graduated in [Cyndi S Craw] More on "Come Undone" ["shimmer shimmer like a trent should" ] Re: epic press release [Brian K Tanaka ] Caton ["Wendi Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: more metaphors than Mr Metaphor who's just graduated in Responding to Pete's swell post: First, thanks, Pete. > And I'd bore you to tears if I started on "til my honey spread it took > til then for me to break your bread, for me to take you - would I be > stealing?" FWIW, I'm definite that it's: For me to take your word I had to steal it Plays on words rule in this lyric. To 'take' the character's word "I had to steal it." "Break your bread," "good book," and reference to "word" all in short order. Religious much? Am I reaching? Perhaps. Then there's this: Things you said that day Up on the 101 The girl come undone I tried to downplay it With a bet about us You said you'd take it As long as I could--I could not erase it A twofer: 'take your bet' and 'erase your bet' with the same point of reference. Maybe even a threefer: the point "I could not erase it" also stands alone as a separate comment. How about a fourfer: "you'd take it" can also stand alone. Dense, dense, dense lyric. She seems to go to great pains to pronounce the sound of the 'e' in 'bet.' I see the convertible's hood, BTW. For *me*; now. > Suffice to say that anyone who mentions Savage Garden is going to have > to take the matter outside with me to be resolved with serious hand-bag > flinging and teddy bear throwing. I'd pay to see that. > And if her new guitarist does only seem able to play 3 notes, maybe > she's got him on piece-work and they're saving up for a whole chord > later in the album? ;-) One can only hope. But this song has a loose, open feel to it, while designed in a tightly-structured manner. (It's okay that he plays so few notes, although much could be wrought from them which isn't.) It's a pop song of the highest order, absolutely--right up there with ABBA's Dancing Queen, and I mean nothing but positive stuff when I say that. I could write a monograph on Dancing Queen. True brilliance. But indeed, A Sorta Fairytale's got a somber, even elegiac sensibility to it throughout. And the whole album was written referencing the post-9/11 U.S. and takes a journey east starting in LA, and this *song* starts in LA: I wonder what "day" she keeps talking about. Could not erase it. Can't put it back. Hmm. And I know she said she was in NYC "when" 9/11 happened, but I also heard as was mentioned here that she wasn't there *on* 9/11, but maniacally drove up to get there for appointments because all flights were cancelled. I don't want to say Tori Amos is a liar, but she is capable of being, shall we say, extravagantly Clintonian with her usage. Was she in NYC "when" 9/11 happened? It depends on what your defenition of "when" is. I picked up a friend today for lunch. She has, how will I say this, "classic rock sensibilities." (Fair enough, as I've known her since 1975.) Played the song in the car, got to 3:15 and she spontaneously said, "*Oh*, yeah. It's a hit." Let it play three times on the way to the Indian buffet (across the street from Dr. Amos's church in Rockville, BTW, which cracked me up when I first realized that after eating there for a couple years-- there's no escape from that kind of thing around here). My friend *totally* had this song stuck in her head during lunch. It's an insidious Trojan Horse, I tell you. > And we aren't going to TELL Tori that we've sneaked a look in the > wardrobe to see what presents we're getting before christmas, are we? Might be a bit late for that, I'm afraid. I feel bad about that, but I can't say I think it'll hurt a dime's worth of sales that it's been out early. And I say, wait till we see how accessible the VIDEO is. Hit, hit, hit. I'm not sure how I'll react when I hear it in every 7-Eleven and grocery store between here and Paducah, but if this really does become a huge seller and break the bottle redhead to the general public, and if the album serves its clearly intended purposes, it's going to be a highly emotional experience for me, because she's had it coming to her for a long time, and no one deserves it more than she does. And people won't know what hit them before she's done with them. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:48:59 +1000 From: "Claire Cross" Subject: [none] Pete said: And people keep saying the song is really sweet, which seems strange to me - am I the only one hearing it as a real gutwrenching break-up/can-we-get-back song? ("I flowed along side you / til you lost me there" and, if I'm hearing it right, "to break your bread, would I be stealing?") Just my ears there... I agree with you, it almost sounds like shes struggling to keep the whole thing together, which I guess its why its only a sorta fairytale.. Cheers, Claire ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:24:48 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: more metaphors than Mr Metaphor who's just graduated in Richard said: >.....if this really does become a huge seller and break the bottle redhead to the general public, and if the album serves its clearly intended purposes, it's going to be a highly emotional experience for me, because she's had it coming to her for a long time, and no one deserves it more than she does.< I agree.. Tori's worked *hard* in the business.. and hasn't even won a Grammy yet! I can't remember (I never experienced it, so on transforming into a new EWF I went to the Fairy Tales site and to The Dent site and read articles and reviews and interviews to "catch up"..) if the Professional Widow remix hit #1 or not, but even so, that was just a remix with Tori's voice mostly going "ah honey bring it close to my.." and "gotta be big" over and over anyway.. ANYWAY my point is.. if not the PW remix.. then hopefully this song (I still haven't heard it.. I think I'm waiting until there's a video to go with it..) and the album will hit #1, and at the very least a whole LOTTA Grammy nominations.. (hey at least SLG got her some nominations! I dunno about the others but I do remember seeing a glimpse of her on CNN when the screen said "coming up" and the announcer had said they'd discuss the Grammys after the commercial break.) I truly think Tori would deserve a hell of a LOT of recognition by now.. she's been in the professional end of the business (ya know.. being and getting to schmooze with superstars, major record label releases, blah blah, etc) for at LEAST ten years now, and I think it's about time for her to have something to show for it.. and I don't mean another multi-platinum, double-platinum whatever award that has the gold and platinum discs along with a record, tape, CD etc of the album.. oh no, I'm talking about the AMA's or the Grammy's! : |) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:26:52 -0400 From: "shimmer shimmer like a trent should" Subject: More on "Come Undone" With all the talk about the meaning of "Come Undone" and inquiries about Wally Lamb's book, I offer this movie title to add to the discussion Trent _____________________________________________________________ http://www.picturethisent.com/minisites/comeundone/CU_v2/sexy_splash.htm l Come Undone begins during one hot, French summer in a sleepy, picturesque town near the coast of Nantes and ends there 18 months later. As Mathieu (Jirimie Elkaom, of Frangois Ozon's short film Bed Scenes), a quiet 18-year-old boy, spends yet another holiday with his depressed mother, nosy aunt and clingy sister, he meets a cocksure young man, Cidric (Stiphane Rideau of Wild Reeds). Cidric catches Mathieu's eye while selling candy at the local seaside amusement park. The beautiful, more experienced Cidric begins to pursue Mathieu, and they are soon meeting for clandestine, evening encounters in the dunes. The young men open up to their respective families about the nature of their involvement, and a fragile happiness sets in. Sibastien Lifshitz's intimate direction evokes hot summer nights in France most of us wish we'd had. Like a dream, Come Undone languidly flows back and forth between the past and the present, often asking us to fill the deliberate jumps in time. The audience is allowed to steal very private glances at Mathieu's memories and snapshots of his life,including his loss of innocence. These moments let us experience what happens to Mathieu after he gives in to Cidric's pleas for a life together. He learns to live independently for the first time, far removed from the people whose love he's always taken for granted. Written by Stiphane Bouquet and Sibastien Lifshitz, Come Undone reminds us of another - albeit by today's standards quaint - sexually charged coming- of-age romance of forbidden love, Summer of 42. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:51:07 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: epic press release Monday July 15, 5:14 pm Eastern Time Press Release SOURCE: Epic Records Epic Records Heats Up The Fall With New Releases From Pearl Jam, Tori Amos, 3LW, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Mudvayne, Good Charlotte, The Juliana Theory, and Nine Days To Name a Few... CAN'T BEAT THIS EPIC HEAT 2002 Fall Preview Rocks as Summertime Rolls... Sophomore sets from 3LW, Good Charlotte, Mudvayne and Nine Days make this fall a semester to remember. An Epic debut for Tori Amos and new releases from Bone Thugs N Harmony, Ben Folds, and Pearl Jam complete the class. NEW YORK, July 15 /PRNewswire/ -- School's just around the corner and with it comes the very best in new music, brought to you by the good people at Epic Records. Our 2002 Fall Release schedule is jam packed with long time favorites and future stars, including the Epic debut of Tori Amos, the newest rap revelations from Bone Thugs N Harmony, the all-star R&B and Hip Hop soundtrack from The Barbershop and new releases from fresh faced hit makers 3LW and Nine Days. Epic's commitment to developing new artists also continues with debuts from The Shining (highly anticipated project from ex Verve bassist and guitarist), Chevelle and The Julianna Theory. [...] We are proud to announce the October release of Tori Amos' Epic Records debut Scarlet's Walk. Recorded in Cornwall, England and self-produced by Tori, the album features guest performances by former Soundgarden drummer Matt Chamberlain and long-time collaborator bassist Jon Evans. Tori Amos' previous records Under The Pink and Boys For Pele are certified platinum successes. Two of her other recent offerings, From The Choirgirl Hotel and To Venus and Back have reached gold status, with her most recent "covers" record Strange Little Girls certain to shortly follow suit. Tori is a perennial top pick for critics worldwide and boasts as devoted a fan base as any artist in popular music. She is currently planning a headlining tour for this fall, with international dates to follow. [...] SOURCE: Epic Records ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:36:40 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: epic press release guapo stick typed the following words (quoting an epic press release): > Tori Amos' previous records Under The Pink and Boys For Pele are certified > platinum successes. Two of her other recent offerings, From The Choirgirl > Hotel and To Venus and Back have reached gold status, with her most recent > "covers" record Strange Little Girls certain to shortly follow suit. Tori Wow. I think it's so cool that Pele went platinum considering its more challenging nature. "Challenging" and "positive measures by commercial yardsticks like sales" don't always go together well. Strange that they don't mention LE. An oversight I'd guess. I assume LE went platinum, right? > is a perennial top pick for critics worldwide and boasts as devoted a fan > base as any artist in popular music. [...] Clearly this should have read: "is a perennial top pick for critics worldwide and boasts more ears with feet than any artist in popular music." Imagine the furrowed brows of perplexity! - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori - Gxis la kokino, oreloj kun futoj... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:47:56 -0400 From: "Wendi Smith" Subject: Caton What happened to Caton? I have heard many different things. One that he left to work on his band, two that he and Tori had a major fall out. Anyone have any clues? Thanks, Wendi ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #156 *************************************