From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #152 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, July 12 2002 Volume 07 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- JAFO [I Love Sluts ] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" ["Mark Harbott" ] Re: Sorta bad song [ToridRoses@aol.com] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ [Cyndi S Crawford ] Some Scarlet thoughts [Richard Handal ] Re: A Sorta Fairytale...live ["Kasia" ] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" [Kurt658@aol.com] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" ["Mark Harbott" ] Sorta Sarah McLachlan [Twinkle018@aol.com] a sorta interpretation [Beth Winegarner ] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" [Cyndi S Crawford ] It all begins with a sorta fairytale... [ericwithac@t-online.de (Eric The] Re: precious-things-digest V7 #151 ["Mariana Furtado" ] toriamos.com update [guapo stick ] Re: more on a sorta fairytale [xenacrazy@att.net] Re: a sorta interpretation ["Amelia" ] Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale ["Jeffrey Clark" Subject: JAFO I am not saying this song is crap, and I'm not saying that I'm pissed that she's not doing BfP again. New stuff, she's evolving, well, of course. If you don't think that her music will change with her experiences, you're ignorant. If you expect her to stay in the same place her whole life, then I would think again about respecting her as much as you do. This is what Tori's all about- changing things up. And I love it. But what I don't love is that I write that I'm disappointed with the catchiness of the tune, and that it just *happens* to not be as metaphorically challenging as, say, BfP, people go off saying I shouldn't expect her to be the same, and yada yada yada. Never said that. I just thought this was a forum to express my opinions on Tori and her music. If it's not, please direct me to a place to which I can do that. And I think, compared to other stuff she9s done, this song is quite simple. Just A Freakin Opinion- that9s all. Stuff, Jesus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:27:59 -0600 From: "Mark Harbott" Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" Mysterilady said : Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ Lisa said: >I became a fan pretty late into the game, and I like more of her newer stuff than the older stuff.< I have to agree.. I've been a fan since February 2002.. and I love all the albums, but Little Earthquakes and From The Choirgirl Hotel (LE cuz it's just so amazing) both share the #1 favorite album slot with me.. I LOOOOOVE To Venus and Back--both discs.. but I still listen to a lot of all of the albums, period. the only one, in fact, that I listen to the least is Strange Little Girls.. and I listened to that today. >She can't please everyone always. Maybe a song that's a bit catchier will attract different kinds of fans.< The Dakota version of Hey Jupiter did it for me.. the video I mean.. so.. yeah.. any different approach to any song will grab fans, hook, line, and sinker. :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Some Scarlet thoughts Hi, All: I want to share some thoughts about things which have been published pertaining to the upcoming album, Scarlet's Walk. There seem to have been contradictory details written about it. As we know, the MTV website has an article which discusses it. This article says the album is "Based on a cross-country trip taken after September 11 . . ." All right, fine. But then an Allstar/CDNOW article titled "Tori Amos' America-Themed Scarlet's Walk Due Oct. 15" states: "The album's musical and lyrical journey was inspired by the tragic events of Sept. 11--the album was written entirely after the attacks on America while Amos was on the road." No full press release has hit the street yet, but after piecing together quotes from early published sources, I believe that when it said Scarlet's Walk was "inspired by the tragic events of Sept. 11," the Allstar/CDNOW article characterized the album inaccurately. During the 12 January 2002 interview with Ann Powers, Tori talks about her experiences while on the Strange Little Tour: "It seemed as if the people that were coming to the shows--and the crew, all of us together--were trying to weave the songlines of the country. In our tiny little way. It's not as if other people weren't doing it in their way. But no different than the aborigines, when they would cross Australia." Clearly, Tori spoke with Ms. Powers before the interview to let her know what things she was prepared to discuss, and the content of the upcoming album was at least coming together at that point, whether or not it had been completely decided on. In that context, I see this album's title of Scarlet's Walk referencing journeys known as walkabouts that aborigines take, in part, for reasons of spiritual enlightenment. I think it's clear that it was out on the road during the Strange Little Tour when Tori had many of the experiences which inspired her to write the songs for this album. I'm not saying that's the only reference to be gotten from the title, but I am saying that it is *one*. That Allstar/CDNOW article lists some topics covered within the content of the album: "Native American history, pornography, Oliver Stone, and Andrew Jackson are just some of the subject matter on Tori Amos' forthcoming America-themed new album . . ." I want to address a couple of those topics, and how they fit in with the geography of the Strange Little Tour. Andrew Jackson: This glosses over a lot of detail, but here goes. In the fall of 1813 some 400-500 Cherokee began fighting with American troops against the Creek Indians who had sided with the British against the Americans in the War of 1812. The two American Generals in this Creek War were Coffee and Jackson. The final battle in the war against the Creeks was at the Horseshoe bend of the Tallapoosa River on the morning of 27 March 1814. It is considered that the Cherokee fighting in that battle saved Jackson's life, and the lives of many of his men. Jackson would later be President of the US from 1829-1837, and he ordered the Removal of the Cherokee from their severely depleted native lands in what is now southeastern Tennessee, northeastern Alabama, northwestern Georgia, and western North Carolina. This Removal came to be known as the Trail of Tears. Around 17,000 Cherokee men, women, and children were marched a thousand miles at gunpoint to Oklahoma for relocation. Some four thousand of them died as a direct result. A famous eyewitness account of the Removal comes from a Georgia man after he had served as a colonel in the Confederate Army during the Civil War: "I fought through the Civil War and have seen men shot to pieces and slaughtered by thousands, but the Cherokee Removal was the cruelest work I ever knew." After the Removal the old Cherokee chief Junaluska said: "If I had known that Jackson would drive us from our homes I would have killed him that day at the Horseshoe." Surely the sentiments that Junaluska expressed were echoed in the hearts of many Cherokee people then, and even today there is no wealth of good feeling when the memory of President Jackson is evoked. Passing from Atlanta to Nashville on the Strange Little Tour, Tori would have traversed much of the original Cherokee homeland, including passing within a few miles of the final council grounds from the days before the Trail of Tears--in Red Clay, Tennessee--which has been turned into a state park. As they surely drove past there at night I doubt Tori could have managed to swing by Red Clay to share with Tash a sense of some of her heritage that exists there, but Tori's family seems to have roots in that area which go way back. According to what she said on the DDI Tour from the stage of the Tivoli Theatre in Chattanooga on 4 August 1996 her mom was born in Chattanooga, so she has every reason to be familiar with where Red Clay is and what it means. Red Clay State Historic Park has some enlightening historical displays in the visitor center, and friendly, knowledgeable park rangers eager to share what they know about the Trail of Tears and the history of the Cherokee. I made sure to swing by there while following the tour and found it to be quite a moving experience. There is an eternal flame there with a plaque that reads: This Fire is a Memorial to Those People Who Suffered and Died on the Infamous Trail of Tears. It Also Commemorates the Reuniting of the Eastern and Western Cherokee Nations Here at Red Clay. Aug. 7, 1837 - April 6, 1984 Having awareness of these things and where they took place makes it difficult to drive through that whole area and not feel some of the lingering energy from those 19th-century events. Native American history: On 27 October 2001 the tour was in St. Louis, and from the stage Tori said she had gone to Cahokia. I see no reason to write on this topic myself because a thoughtful person who reviewed that concert sent relevant details to Michael. Jim Garrison Added Oct 28, 2001 - You may have noticed that Tori mentioned visiting Cahokia today before the show. The guy sitting next to me said something like "what for??" That would not be an unusual reaction among people from here. Mostly when people think of "Cahokia" they think of the modern town by that name--best known for rows of oil refineries, a copper smelter, and other such attractions. Tori, no doubt, visited the other, original, Cahokia--some miles away from the modern town. Here's a link to the official Cahokia Mounds site. But, briefly, it's the site of a prehistoric settlement of the Mississippian people starting around AD 700 and ending about 700 years after that. At its peak, it was the largest urban place in the Americas north of Mexico. The primary features remaining from that time are the impressive mounds they constructed. I imagine you're familiar with mound builders along the Ohio River as well. Archaeologists have also unearthed what they came to call "woodhenge"--a kind of solar calendar used by the Mississippians in much the same way Stonehenge may have been used. St. Louis used to be known as Mound City before the Arch. Now we're the Gateway to the West or something like that. There was once a huge Indian mound located not far north of modern-day downtown St. Louis. Over the years of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the mound was hauled away to make room for construction. There's a monument to memorialize the mound--the bronze plaque on that monument has been missing for years! Much thanks for that to Jim Garrison. I'm biting my tongue to refrain from making any Jim Garrison-Oliver Stone references--but it's difficult. ;-) Before I go I also want to discuss something mentioned in the LA Times Calendar section on 7 July 2002: 'Tori Amos, following the "Strange Little Girls" album in which she reworked male-written songs from a female perspective, has finished "Scarlet's Walk," which traces in song an eastbound trip across the U.S. post-Sept. 11.' RJ posted this entry for the direction 'east' taken from "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols," by J.C. Cooper: The rising sun; dawn; Spring; hope; childhood; dawning life; youth. It is the direction towards which worship is oriented, especially for all solar Gods. Ceremonies concerned with death and resurrection stress the East as sunrise and life and the West as sunset and death. I want to expand on this by quoting Joseph Campbell from his essay "Mythogenesis" as published in the book, "Transformations of Myth Through Time : An Anthology of Readings." Campbell was relating a story as told by an old Oglala Sioux priest about a mysterious woman who approached a pair of young hunters as they stood on a hill with their bows and arrows looking around for game. The woman told the hunters to tell their people to prepare a ceremonial lodge in anticipation of her returning with an announcement of great importance. When the people of Black Elk's legend made their large ceremonial lodge that was symbolically a counterpart of the universe, they all gathered within it, extremely excited, wondering who the mysterious woman could be and what she wished to say to them. Suddenly, she appeared at the door, which was facing east, and proceeded sunwise around the central pillar: south, west, north, and again east. "For is not the south the source of life?" the old teller of the tale explained. "And does not man advance from there toward the setting sun of his life? Does he not arrive, if he lives, at the source of light and understanding, which is east? And does he not return to where he began, to his second childhood, there to give back his life to all life, and his flesh to the earth, whence it came? The more you think about this," he suggested, "the more meaning you will see in it." Whereas Boys for Pele chronicled a descent into the naked yearnings for another's fire within one's personal subconscious, then dealt with finding one's *own* fire and true soul Way Down inside--and ultimately with experiencing a spiritual rebirth--Scarlet's Walk seems poised to address more universal issues of spirit and emotion; themes Tori apparently feels need to be brought to the fore in society, particularly in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorism attacks--NOT that it was directly "inspired by the tragic events of Sept. 11." As Tori said to Ann Powers in January when asked what happened to the sense of her music after the events of September 11: Well, I think that when the planes went in the building, anybody that's been invaded on a personal level knows what that feeling is. And those that don't know what that feeling is, felt it for the first time. There was a sense of invasion when people were coming to the shows afterwards that was pouring out from people. I think something was split open then, as we all know, that as writers you're able to tap into something on a mass-conscious level that before you could only happen to with some that were willing, those who had taken a step on the path to say, okay, "I'm going to open this part of myself up. I want to know parts of myself that maybe I've put aside for a long time." So, early indications about this album are saying to me that some of the themes it deals with include being grounded in one's own history, standing up against adversity, and seeking spiritual harmony with the universe. It's early to be drawing easy conclusions, but this is the sense of what I'm getting so far. We'll see what she has to say about it when the time comes. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:37:49 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: Re: A Sorta Fairytale...live >I don't know if anyone's thought of this yet, and I >like the song the way it >is, but it would sound AWESOME live...with a >band...yeah...Precious Things >style!!! I thought about that, too! But I thought it would be great without a band, solo... it would sound like Jackie's Strength. Anyway, don't you think that Jackie and Fairytale sounds very much alike?, well maybe that's only me... Kasia "If the Divine master plan is perfection maybe next I'll give Judas a try" Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:56:57 EDT From: Kurt658@aol.com Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" In a message dated 7/11/2002 9:08:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, mharbott@houston.rr.com writes: > Yep, I totally agree, but this brings up that question again : > Can a musician produce their most brilliant music when writing from a more > content, happy, stable etc point in their lives? I don't think I can think > of any examples of this right now. Anyone else? i think so... looking at Bjork's "Vespertine" or PJ Harvey's "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea".... both were written at a very positive, content time in their lives and they've turned out to be some of the artists' best work. - -rob. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:45:02 -0600 From: "Mark Harbott" Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" > i think so... looking at Bjork's "Vespertine" or PJ Harvey's "Stories from > the City, Stories from the Sea".... both were written at a very positive, > content time in their lives and they've turned out to be some of the artists' > best work. > -rob. hehe, actually, as I hit the send button, I thought of PJ's "Stories..." which definitely stands up there as her one of her best. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:37:16 EDT From: Twinkle018@aol.com Subject: Sorta Sarah McLachlan You know, I'm so glad that I've had the opportunity to hear this song sooner than August. This definately isn't what I expected. Although, I couldn't define what I thought I was expecting. Fortunately or Unfortunately, this is one of the first radio-friendly singles that a record company has released for her. I think that Epic is trying to generate a new audience somewhat. I doubt this is the highlight of the album. Although, it is wearing pretty on me and my ears now. There is a part near the end where the backing vocals on the line "you could taste Heaven perfectly" sounds very Sarah McLachlan. It all actually reminds me of her. I can't completely explain it... especially because I never could compare Tori to Sarah. I have a hard time comparing Tori to anyone. I think that I have so much respect for Tori as a musician that if there is anything to her work that I "don't get" on first, second, or third impression... I give myself time to "get it" later. It's kind of like when someone tells you a joke and the punchline clicks in the middle of the night and the person next to you is asking why you are laughing. I'm sure some of you may laugh later. Who knows? Some of you may think the joke is bad. I'm looking forward to the rest of this album. Yay! Saving for tours and singles now... Love, Dez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:36:06 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: a sorta interpretation I've read others' comments here with a lot of interest, and I think that ASF is a deceptively simple song. Here are some thoughts and questions that have been running through my head now that I've heard the song a dozen times or more: - - "On my way up North" - I am thinking specifically of the four directions of the Native American medicine wheel, although every interpretation of the medicine wheel I've found online so far is completely different. But for Northern Hemisphere pagans, North is the direction of Earth, mother, and death. - - I think when she's talking about the "hood" she's talking about riding in a convertible. What other songs have included mentions of cars? ("Glory of the '80s," "Mary," "Mother" ...) - - What do you think it means that Tori's beginning her trip in Los Angeles? (I'd bet anything this will be the first song on the album.) It was her adopted home for a while, and it's where her music career really took off, but it's also where she was assaulted. - - How do you break a silver lining? I'm guessing she's referring to "every cloud has a silver lining." What caused the "cloud?" - - What sort of "fairytale" are we talking about here: Disney or Grimm? - - Can someone who's read the book give us a synopsis of Wally Lamb's "She's Come Undone?" How does its mention play into the meaning of this song? - - Does "break your bread" refer to the Last Supper? If it does, how does it influence the meaning of lines around it, like "until the honey spread" and "for me to take your word I had to steal it?" - - What if the "you" in this song is a God? (If so, which one would she make a bet with?) I think these thoughts could go in some really fun directions. :) Beth - -- "How do you 'consume' music, when (a) music isn't a thing and (b) it's still there after you've used it... Just because the industry markets it as a commodity doesn't mean we have to accept their terms of reference. It's time people stopped talking about 'consuming' art and culture and so on and started thinking of art as an activity." (Christopher Small) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:44:57 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" >Can a musician produce their most brilliant music when writing from a more content, happy, stable etc point in their lives?< I'd have to say yes and no.. it usually depends on the fan, I think. For example.. Michael Jackson's last album was nothing but happy-fwappy stuff.. he's a dad, he's not feeling "victimized" anymore, blah blah blah.. lots of people love it. I'm a fan of his and yet I'm more prone to put in his HIStory album and enjoy it than I am with the Invincible album, because that's just how I am. I feel like I connect better to his pissed-at-the-world stuff than his "the world's so shiny and pretty" stuff. Now.. N'Sync thrives on bouncy happy songs. I don't think they'd do well with their fans by releasing an album full of angry, dark, brooding songs. Green Day is a group that has, in my opinion, done well with evolving from darker songs to happier songs. Their Warning album, in my opinion, proves it. Plus, their Insomniac album was their darkest work yet because they were trying to prove themselves to the world that yes, they were punk rockers, and that didn't go over too well with *anybody*. Now, they don't constantly sing dark songs about being so bored they can't see straight (like Longview), anymore, because they've matured and become husbands and fathers, etc. Madonna is *probably* another example.. sort of. She doesn't feel like she has to be overly sexual now that she's become a mother, etc. She won't even, so I understand, sing songs from that little era. That's all I can really think of.. but those are my fifty cents. :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:05:53 +0200 From: ericwithac@t-online.de (Eric Thelen) Subject: It all begins with a sorta fairytale... Hi everybody, first of all - I love the song and feel very much at home again. And that feels really good. So, if Scarlet walks East and if Ventura (Ventura, CA 93001), located exactly where highway 101 meets the Pacific Ocean Coastline (http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=Ventura&state=C A&csz=Ventura%2C+CA+93001&slt=34.278259&sln=-119.292969&Ds=n&zip=93001&count ry=us&mag=5&cs=9&BFClient=&BFKey=&poi=&poititle=&map.x=198&map.y=198), is on the West Coast (http://www.virtualtourist.com/North_America/USA/California/Ventura/?s=wu) and if Scarlet is still on her way up North - then 'A Sorta Fairytale' has to be not only the first single but also the first song on the album, right? So, this is 'just the beginning' - how promising... I agree with those who said that the drum pattern sounds too artificial, too mechanic. Well, Tori called Matt sometimes 'the human loop' when she introduced him to the audience... And I agree with Richard that Steve Caton's way of creating atmosphere with his guitar would have enriched the song. But anyway, I love it. I experience it as being warm (California type...), confident, friendly, relaxed and comforting. The song reminds me of 'To Venus And Back' and especially of 'Glory Of The 80's' - well, Ventura is just a little bit north of Los Angeles... I like the idea that this album will be a journey. I like travelling. And this one may become a journey that I will take rather frequently. (And some of us will soon be travelling again soon - e.g. when the new tour starts...) This song is already one that I will definitely play at very high (!) loudness levels in my car. Imagine a nice sunny day and then putting the hood back... I think it makes sense - let the ride begin and let's ride alongside... Everybody enjoy your lives, Eric (with a 'c') ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:36:13 +0000 From: "Mariana Furtado" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #151 MysT said: >It's a little love song. Sweet. She sounds peaceful. Happy. I agree that there is joy in the song, but it's funny because I think it's got three layers. There's joy, sadness/longing, and resolution. I played the song for my boyfriend who is only a listener of Tori by association with me, and I asked him to describe the mood of the song. His response was, "It's bittersweet." I agree with him. This is why I see sadness: Breaking a silver lining could mean a loss of hope. She might be saying "I'm so sad" and "I can't put this day back" though we don't know for sure. But if that's what she says then maybe she's feeling the pain of not being able to go back to a time when she felt she was living a sorta fairytale. And the fact that it's only sort of a fairytale. You can pick a good book up and read it again whenever you want, but you can't relive the past. I rode alongside till you lost me there on the open road. Maybe she felt that they were really on the same page, she was keeping up with this person but then they couldn't keep up with her, they lost her on the open road. And finally, For me to take your word I had to steal it. Maybe she just couldn't trust that what this person was promising her was true so she did something she's not proud of (steal) to get it and believe it. So the joy is the memory of a happy time, the sadness is in the fact that she isn't in that day anymore and she can't pick it up and relive it, and in the last chorus when she says "I can pick back up whenever I feel it," that's the resolution. That's when she realizes that there's value in the memory and that as long as she remembers it she can revisit it. Maybe. Of course I could have all the lyrics wrong! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:36:09 EDT From: VioletLilith@aol.com Subject: *bjork and pj* <> i have to agree about the bjork album. however, i think pj's newest album is awful. and i have loved her work for years and years. but "stories...." just doesn't sit with me. other than the three songs she does with thom york i pretty much dislike it. it is so pop-E....almost U2 wanna-be, but not as good as U2. generic U2! i've only gotten through the entire album twice since it came out in fall of 2000. and if tori's new album is anything like it i will be forced to run out in traffic.... but "vespertine" on the other hand! wow! i'm listening to it now, actually. i have liked bjork for a while, but never put her in the same league as tori and pj until now. if tori pops something out this amazing i will be jumping for joy! i'm a little turned off that the album is going to be so based on the 9/11 bit. frankly, i'm tired of hearing about it. but the lyrics for "sorta fairytale" seem more like a love song than anything! where is the 9/11 in that? hmmmm? *jen* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: more on a sorta fairytale Mariana is on exactly the same wavelength as me about the song, and said it better. The more I listen to it, the more I think it's a "sorta fairytale" in just the way Mariana was saying -- it made you feel good, had a happy ending and a sort of fantasylike quality to it, just as she describes in the happy-beautiful-wind-blowing-at-your-face-driving-down-the-highway parts of the song, but it's *not* *real* and you can't go back to it later from the other side. It's like a good book in that you can sort of get you mind into it, long for it, think about the past - pick it up and read it whenever you want. But it's still a fiction, and you can't go through the looking glass back into living it, and so it's bittersweet to go back there in fiction and know you can't get there in reality. I also think it's going to turn out to be metaphorically about being on the other side of September 11th, not just a relationship with one person, the "you" of the song...(so, jen, there's your September 11th theme creeping in... but on the other hand I'm not "sick of it", I'm sick of seeing it sensationalized and productized and hyped into t-shirts with american flags on them and sick of people calling it '911' or other trite-sounding things, but I don't think something with that kind of emotional weight is something I can be "sick of". And if Tori says she's writing about september 11th, somehow I don't think she's going to be on the hype and sensation side, I think she's going to be talking about the emotional nerve it struck for her, much as she spoke of at the New York Times interview in January. I believe, by the way, that Tori was in fact in NYC already on September 11th, another reason for it to strike her so... - --Abbe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:19:20 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: toriamos.com update toriamos.com has updated their news section again: Thursday, July 11 Tori's friend Neil Gaiman wrote this about the forthcoming album..... The CD's about America -- it's a story that's also a journey, that begins in LA and crosses the country, slowly heading east. America's in there, and specific places and things, Native American history and pornography and a girl on a plane who'll never get to New York, and Oliver Stone and Andrew Jackson and madness and a lot more. Not to mention a girl called Scarlet who may be the land and may be a person and may be a trail of blood. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:35:59 +0000 From: xenacrazy@att.net Subject: Re: more on a sorta fairytale I agree. When someone here mentioned that they didn't like the title of the song, just couldn't understand why. It fits so well with her theme of Mermaids, Sirens, Shamans, etc. And another thing-- Tori will never be like Britney Spears unless she matures by -25 years and loses 95% of her talent. Just b/c she has a nice, sweet song doesn't mean she's turning into Britney Spears. She's not singing a gushy love song or some other junk. - -Lisa - ---- > The more I listen to it, the more I think it's a "sorta fairytale" in > just the way Mariana was saying -- it made you feel good, had a happy > ending and a sort of fantasylike quality to it, just as she describes > in the happy-beautiful-wind-blowing-at-your-face-driving-down-the-highway > parts of the song, but it's *not* *real* and you can't go back to it > later from the other side. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:16:08 -0600 From: "Amelia" Subject: Re: a sorta interpretation - ----- Original Message ----- > - Can someone who's read the book give us a synopsis of Wally Lamb's > "She's Come Undone?" How does its mention play into the meaning of > this song? "She's Come Undone" is a much older reference than Wally Lamb. There's an old song called "She's Come Undone," from the 60s or 70s, but I don't remember who recorded it. It's a phrase that's been around for a looong time, and I read the Wally Lamb novel a long time ago, and it just doesn't work in the context of the song for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:33:57 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Clark" Subject: Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale Okay, I might as well throw my own interpretation out here :) I think it may be "And I'm so set Like a good book I can't put this day back A sorta fairytale with you." This version may have hit the list already, but it reminds me of not being able to put a book down if it's really good. You keep going back to it again and again for that "one more chapter". - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ckerley" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale > > i think it's > > "And I'm so set > Like a good book, > I can't put this tea back > A sorta fairytale with you." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:34:29 EDT From: Finney2567@aol.com Subject: Re: *bjork and pj* In a message dated 7/11/2002 4:00:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, VioletLilith@aol.com writes: << i have to agree about the bjork album. however, i think pj's newest album is awful. and i have loved her work for years and years. but "stories...." just doesn't sit with me. other than the three songs she does with thom york i pretty much dislike it. it is so pop-E....almost U2 wanna-be, but not as good as U2. generic U2! i've only gotten through the entire album twice since it came out in fall of 2000. and if tori's new album is anything like it i will be forced to run out in traffic.... >> Actually I thought Polly Harvey and Bjork's recent albums were brilliant. Polly because her lyrics are amazing, she can sing, and although she said the album was pop..come on...not when you have something kick ass as 'big exit', this is love, and kamikaze. I still love the album and its been awhile since it came out. To say she is a U2 wannabe, pretty much is shit. Where the hell does that come from..oh she toured with them...must mean she wants to sound like them..yeah..okay. Tori would be so lucky as to write songs that actually make sense. I'd be ecstatic if the new album was up to par with Stories..but I won't hold my breathe...certainly don't expect her to come close to Vespertine. Unless she has Matmos working for her, chorus, and strings..not gonna happen. But...who the f. cares, she's going on tour. Bring it on. - -Finney ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #152 *************************************