From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #214 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, November 1 2001 Volume 06 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ha [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: some general tour thoughts [Shaman ] Re: okay you guys [Richard Handal ] Re: ha [Richard Handal ] Re: Wurlitzer/Rhodes Question. [Richard Handal ] Re: Fw: Some general tour thoughts [violet@torithoughts.org] Re: Some general tour thoughts [Richard Handal ] Boston Show ["Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" ] The Pool ["Tony Fernandes" ] Fw: Fw: Some general tour thoughts ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: meeting and greeting [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: some general tour thoughts [Ray Bailey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:31:20 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: ha Isn't Richard the bomb. He knows so much cool stuff about these shows. I had the pleasure of meeting him recently at the Toronto Massey Hall show. I saw him take his lil clock out of his pocket full of pens and clock the show and write down the setlist with his lil penlight. :-) His words describe exactly the feeling for the shows. It's so nice that one of us can get to most of the shows and give us a feeling of how they are. Thanx again Richard. Keep the reviews coming! ~~carrie~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:31:04 -0800 From: Shaman Subject: Re: some general tour thoughts Jennifer Mitts Cypres wrote: > > Someone mentioned a possible new album for Tori next > year. Any truth to this rumor? I mean, I know she > has to make a transition to a new label and all first > before anything new can be produced, but why would > anyone assume that a new album would be due out so > soon, especially with a daughter to take care of? > > Speaking of, has anyone seen Natashya on the tour, > backstage with a nanny or anything? > > Tori hugs, > jen Having a recording studio in your backyard makes it fairly easy to record songs and yet change daipers and buy Tickle-Me-Elmo dolls. I'd imagine being on the road in much more difficult but now that she's had the child a year it also gives her a break to thing about something else and to clear their head so as to reapproach the child raising. Part of being a good parent is taking care of one's own self as well or else you can't be there for others in the way they most need it. Atleast, that would be my approach. I'm only an uncle with a cat. There's really only one steadfast rule with children. It's impossible to give them too much love. You can spoil them with things and even attention but you can never spoil them with too much love. It only makes them stronger so that they are confortable with themselves and don't become dependant upon others for a sense of value. Does this make sense to anyone here? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: okay you guys Micah asked: > meet and greet before or after the show, richard? I haven't participated in them since 1998, so anything I know on this tour is second-hand. There seems to be more luck involved than anything else, but I heard the people in Grand Rapids talking about getting there at like 8 or 9 in the morning. This won't guarantee that you'll meet her, as stuff happens and people look out for themselves and shove and stuff (a friend of mine complained to me about the Cleveland meet and greet in this regard). T started the tour arriving after 4:30, and in some of the later days I was on tour I heard she was getting there as early as 2:30. I suggest reading The Dent's forum for more stories, but nothing guarantees she won't do something different all of a sudden. I say, if one can't keep one's dignity to at least *some* degree and not have to shove someone out of the way, to me, it wouldn't be worth it to meet her. This is easy for me to say, though, as I haven't had anything really important to me going on to speak with her about since summer 1996, and it was fairly simple to talk with her back then. You just want to get a note to her? That's pretty easy, just give it to Joel or Steve and keep it short. I hear one *can* meet her afterwards on this tour, but it seems to require missing most or all of the encores to do so, and to me that's wacky. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: ha The Amazing Carrie said: > Isn't Richard the bomb. He knows so much cool stuff about these shows. I > had the pleasure of meeting him recently at the Toronto Massey Hall > show. I saw him take his lil clock out of his pocket full of pens and > clock the show and write down the setlist with his lil penlight. :-) Thanks loads for the kind words in your post, Carrie. And I must reiterate how much it was amazing for me to meet you. It was fantastic all on its own, but it also reinforced the idea in my mind that there are lots of deeply serious but quiet Toriphiles out in the hinterlands. It truly humbled me to meet you, and it was great to be able to sit next to one another in Toronto. > Thanx again Richard. Keep the reviews coming! Again, you are very kind. I'm hoping to swing going to some more shows but I'm not sure yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. If I meet anyone else nearly as cool as you, Carrie, all the tedium of travel will have been well worthwhile. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Wurlitzer/Rhodes Question. Daniel wondered: > What is the difference technically speaking between the Wurlitzer and > the Rhodes? I'm hoping someone with more knowledge than I have on this will post. I have to think that *someone* here must know a lot about this. My bare understanding is that one of the main differences is the Rhodes creates sound using standard piano action with the hammers striking metal bars, whereas the Wurlitzer has the hammers strike what they call metal "reeds." As there are differences between the different Wurly models in terms of the amplification systems and effects, I'm sure there are differences between the Rhodes and the Wurlys, too. I actually asked Mark if he knew the model number Wurly they were using and he didn't, but he indicated they'd changed so much of the inside of it that the model number wouldn't really tell the tale by itself, anyway. Someone else with actual information please post! Tell us about the ARPs while you're at it. :-) Thanks. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:19:56 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Fw: Some general tour thoughts Daisy Melanie wrote: >Ok, I am a mom of 14 months, and have #2 on the way Fourteen months?! I remember when you first found out and posted that you were pregnant. It seems like yesterday. It's scary the way time flies. >so i guess it is within >my frame of reference. I am sitting here racking my brain trying to think if >my concentration improved. Obviously, since I have gotten preg my >concentration has taken a nosedive, but I honestly can not figure for the >life of me how motherhood would make one more focused. But, maybe Tori is >more focused in her particular profession because she is harnessing a >creative force, and nothing is more creative than becoming a mother. :) It isn't just the "being a mother" that did it. It's *Tori's* being a mother. With the birth of her daughter, a lot of things finally came together for Tori. A lot of painful doors closed while joyous ones finally opened (after the horrible almost-opening-then-slamming-in-her-face experiences she'd had before). She's been through so much and had so many trying, draining, and emotional experiences, and when I look at her now, just the look on her face and in her eyes (and even listening to the sound and tone of her voice) I get a very strong sense of "completeness." For the first time in a very long time, Tori seems truly at peace. Or not even so much at peace as *peaceful*. Not peace as a place where she's arrived at after coming to grips with something, but peaceful as in peace being an essence that is filling her up. Something internal happening at her core, if you get what I mean. To put it in corny terms, her soul isn't constantly screaming now. And because of that, she is able to be more centered. Years of non-stop trauma-and-drama wear you out and wear you down, and I definitely saw her in that worn-down place, emotionally and physically, many times since '94 (when the break-up with Eric ushered in a particularly hard and tragic spell). The only song on the new album that made me cry was "Enjoy The Silence." I was going along just fine until I heard her sing, "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed, is here in my arms" and then I was a puddle on the floor. It still gets me. A baby really was the one thing she'd wanted so badly for the last several years -- especially when (as she said a few years back) she didn't think she could get pregnant at all, so it was such a surprise when she did -- and then the subsequent miscarriages tore her apart and broke her spirit. So to put it simply, she is content. For the first time in a really long time. And no one deserved it more. It's about time. It's good to see her really happy. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts Reese said: > Richard, thank you for you post and insights, they were very > interesting. You're welcome; thanks for caring. > Since you have been to so many shows, which one stands out in mind now? > Which one was your favorite? Wallingford, Wallingford, Wallingford. Sunday, October 14, 2001. It was my fourth show in the Oakdale and it always seems to be special there. This tour, though, it was off the scale. You know, the show from one week earlier in D.C. on Sunday, October 7, blew me away to the extent that I thought it had greater musical impact than the previous one I'd held in such esteem, which was the August 15, 1998 Knoxville show; but to me, this 2001 Wallingford show struck me as five times over anything I'd ever witnessed before. It was STUPID. And she just kept doing it on and on until it was her usual length show. I spoke with a friend afterwards who's seen almost exactly the same number of shows that I have, and asked her if she'd ever seen ANYTHING like that. She said no, and that if there *had* been another show like that one, either she or I would have likely been there and we'd have known about it. Some people went on to say later that Chicago on October 23, 2001, was even more insane. It wasn't for me, although I was still reeling from all we had to go through to get there. Just Gary, Indiana alone . . . Comparing shows can be pointless without context and understanding, though. When I speak of a "best" show I think of a show that had the highest level of *musical* content, and which blew me away sitting there in my seat. Some people seem only to enjoy the hit-us-upside-the-head kind of show, but there are lots of things to say for other kinds of shows, too. I don't want to slight shows such as Philly and Boston on this tour, and Toronto, Grand Rapids and Kissimmee were amazing, and Charlotte and both D.C. shows (but mainly the second one). All different flavor shows from one another. It would almost be easier on this tour to list the shows that were of lesser interest: West Palm Beach, Clearwater, Atlanta, Nashville, and the first New York City shows were of less interest to me, although some of them were wonderful shows on their own merits. I think at this point Cleveland was tied with the second D.C. show as my second-fave. It's hard for me to disassociate some of the personal elements sometimes, though. What's so astonishing to me is that during the DDI Tour I thought she seemed to really *nail* one every couple or so weeks, and now she's regularly doing it at back-to-back-to-back shows. That's what *really* blows me away about this tour--the incredible consistency, which is what prompted me to ask Mark about her concentration. Sammy Sosa would be hitting 600 homeruns on this tour. It seems now that unless she's got some specific problem on a given day, she can be absolutely astonishing one day after the next--and laugh at how much she sees we are affected by it. Seeing her get so much enjoyment from playing for us is a moving experience for me, and I'm happy beyond words for how great things seem to be going for her at this point. No one deserves it more, of course. I try mainly to discuss the music here but I'm not too shy to admit that I love that woman to pieces. She's never been anything less than wonderful and generous to me, and it's been humbling, and has meant a lot to me. > I went to the first and second New York shows, and the second one, I > think, was much better than the first one. Just my opinion. Yes, of the shows I saw, the first NYC show was the least interesting to me of the whole tour. I'm not sure what causes that but I'm blaming the general distraction of the city, for lack of anything else. You know, I'd heard that some people were talking about the Epic contract thing and saying they figured T knew the Epic people were there at that first NYC show. The fact is, they were there for the second and third shows but not the first one. Kevyn Aucoin and boyfriend were at the second and third shows, too (*Kevyn*'s a real piece of work when you meet him), and I heard that a few known actors such as Hillary Swank were at the third show. I can't rate the third NYC show I'm afraid, because of talkers. I was too preoccupied thinking about going several yards over to Sanchez to ask, "Steve, do you think it would bring *good* publicity to the tour or *bad* publicity if I were to kill the couple next to me for talking too much?" :-) I keep some links to some reviews I wrote from previous tours. If anyone wants to check them out they're at: http://www.min.net/~handal/richardposts.html In general I'd say the shows of Charlotte, North Carolina, 8/21/96, which was the most pianistically impressive show I ever saw, and the amazing night of two shows in Portland, Oregon, 7/21/96, would be some of the best shows I ever saw prior to this tour. Honestly, a lot of stuff happens out there that few people witness, and unless you happened to be there that night you probably never heard about it unless you were on the lists at the time or if you went back to read The Dent reviews archive. I'm blessed that my memories are full of such things. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:06:44 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" Subject: Boston Show Okay. So it's been about three weeks since the Boston show, which was my first ever, and although I've been home the entire time, I haven't felt up until now that I should, or could, speak about it. My biggest thrill... when she began to play Upside Down, I FLIPPED out. I didn't know why at the time, and I still can't tell you why that particular song sparked that reaction, because it's one of those songs I generally don't listen to, and skip over when it comes on, but I just started screaming and choking up. When she started singing, I knew why it was so important. Somehow, she knew. She just knew. I don't listen to the song that often, because how long can you listen to yourself speak? That's what that song is like. At, "I'm afraid I'll always be still coming out of my mother upside down" she stared at me. Just stared. With this look in her eyes like, "I know." And so I started bawling. And throughout the song, she kinda glanced up at me every now and then, but to anyone who hasn't experienced Tori's looks, there's no way to explain it TO you. It just rocks you at the core, just kinda picks you up, throws you around inside yourself, and leaves you nothing like you were before. You have an epiphany about YOURSELF. About someone you thought you knew, but just found for the first time in all reality. The strangest thing for me though, which I didn't think would happen, is that I wanted her to look at me, but the lines and places where I was sure she would, she never did, and the only thing that came across my mind was, "Well, I guess it wasn't as important as I thought." and then, "That's great; it's someone else's turn now" and I could only feel joy for those whose turn it was. The one song I'd hoped she'd play was Sister Janet, and I think I heard someone say she played it the night after. The first Tori CD I ever got was the Cornflake Girl single, and Sister Janet changed my life from the first time I heard it. But, it's for some future time, I'm sure. I think that's all I can say.... quite frankly, I think it's the only moment I'm SUPPOSED to share with anyone else. It's like... I went to a TOOL show in Sept. and I was speechless after, still can't discuss it, because it was just so WONDERFUL. When anyone asked me how it was, I just said, "It was good" and that was it, the same way with Tori. For any other show that wasn't nearly so important to me, I had SO much to say, and I was SO extremely enthusiastic about all of it. But I'm sure there are many here who know exactly what I'm talking about, so I'll shut up. I hope SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO badly that there's a tour next year, because I'm starting to save up now so I can perhaps go to another Boston show, and maybe a Vermont and New Hampshire one. I'm still in high school, so it's harder for me to get away, even though I have a car. Oh well. It will all come in time. everyone else have fun! christina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:16:31 -0800 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: The Pool Aileen wrote: "Does anyone know the length of the original version of The Pool? Thanks" According to the east/west single Winter, it's 2:51. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:17:41 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: Fw: Some general tour thoughts > >Ok, I am a mom of 14 months, and have #2 on the way > > Fourteen months?! I remember when you first found out and posted that you > were pregnant. It seems like yesterday. It's scary the way time flies. > Tell me about it. He was an infant yesterday and today he is hollering "banana!" (his first and only word he seems to have mastered so far). > :) It isn't just the "being a mother" that did it. It's *Tori's* being a > mother. Amen! Not the "universal mother hormone" of legend. > The only song on the new album that made me cry was "Enjoy The Silence." I > was going along just fine until I heard her sing, "All I ever wanted, all I > ever needed, is here in my arms" and then I was a puddle on the floor. It > still gets me. A baby really was the one thing she'd wanted so badly for > the last several years -- especially when (as she said a few years back) > she didn't think she could get pregnant at all, so it was such a surprise > when she did -- and then the subsequent miscarriages tore her apart and > broke her spirit. > > So to put it simply, she is content. For the first time in a really long > time. And no one deserved it more. It's about time. It's good to see her > really happy. > > Violet > xoxox Yes, yes. Very well put. I cannot for the life of me imagine what it mustve been like to go through what she did. I am very pleased that she has acheived contentment in her life. Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - --Issac Asimov ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:00:41 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: meeting and greeting thanks richard.. even though you haven't been at the m&g for awhile, you've still a plethora of information. you know, even if i was to meet tori, i can't think of anything i wouldn't be embarrassed of to say to her. most things i can think of includes emotional shit, and i'm sure tori knows that she affects us like that. she's been told that for years by crying girls and i'm sure that as much as she still appreciates it, there's got to be that 'rolling-your-eyes' feeling in the back of her mind. i don't know this, don't know her, complete speculation here, so don't ream me for it, okay? it seems that anything i have of importance to say would take me a good amount of time, and i'm sure she'd rather spend that time with someone who she knows and genuinely cares about! not that she doesn't care about her ewf, but c'mon, how much can you care about people you never knew existed? that was rhetorical, please don't answer that. so it comes down to this- if i meet her i'm just going to embarrass myself, or waste her time. i'll minimize the time factor as much as possible and just get her to sign some stuff, maybe ask her if she'll take a pic with me or something. i just like to look at her and listen to her. i don't want to hear her silence, especially if i'm the one taking up the time where she could be saying something of interest. has anyone seen that new show on mtv called 'becoming'? how psycho! i mean i'd love to meet the people that are constatly hanging out with the celeb, but they dress you up like that person, dye your hair to look like them, it would really be grounds for stalking if it wasn't on mtv. okay, enough crap, micah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:21:47 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: My attempt to answer the Rhodes/Wurly Question My grandfather worked for the original Wurlitzer Organ Company that originated in the city I live in North Tonawanda. My grandfather died in 1998, but he happened to keep some records as to the difference between the Fender Rhodes and the Wurlitzer Electric Piano Organ (aka Wurly). (How lucky is that?) Ok for starters the Wurlitzer Organ Company produced the kind of electric piano organ that T uses between the dates of 1960-1971. From the look of the instrument that I saw at the concert from where I was sitting it looks a lot like the model in my grandfathers notes made in 1968. I realize that Mark probably funked around with the inside of the instrument for obvious musical effects heard on SLG. I'm not sure of the origination of T's wurly but I know for a fact that it is a vintage one. Anyone know where she bought it from? This following notes come directly from my grandfathers plant notebook from the Wurlitzer Organ Company. I will try to explain some of the vocabulary as it goes along: The idea of removing the sound board of an ordinary acoustic piano {for example T's bosey} and placing electromagnetic pickups on each string succeeded in the first electric piano concept. This idea was sold to the Everett piano company, who then produced the Orgatron. They utilized the original individual pickup arrangement, but instead of striking a string for a percussive attack, Everettbs system incorporated air blowing over flat reeds for an "electric" organ / harmonium effect. BUT Wurlitzer, the giant American Jukebox / Theatre Organ company, realized that this concept could be made into an effective amplifiable piano by striking the metal reed with a hammer- and thus the Wurlitzer Electric Piano was born. The EP200 {probably the type that T uses although I'm not for certain} used a "bag of shot" genuine piano action with the felt hammers striking the flat reeds at around centrepoint, causing the reed to vibrate which was then in turn converted to electric energy by the electrostatic pickups. This piano action was vastly superior to the Fender Rhodesb very basic action, making it more suitable for most keyboardists who could easily adjust to playing the relatively short (64 note A-C) keyboard more so than the early bslushyb Rhodes action. This shorter keyboard, with its own monitor amp and speakers built in, was also much lighter and more transportable than its opposition. Wurlitzer also had tremolo (the rapid reiteration of a musical tone or of alternating tones to produce a tremulous effect... in plain words almost like a voices vibrato) built in - not an option on early Stage model Fenders (like the one T uses). Most electric piano players seem to be divided into two camps- Rhodes or Wurlies. Tonally and attack-wise the Wurly seems to sit more comfortably with an amplified guitar-based rock band a than the Rhodes. It can even replace a rhythm guitar quite successfully, whereas the Rhodes is more of a lead instrument ,suited to fusion, acid jazz, and jazz styles. (Probably why T plays the Wurly with the band more and the Rhodes on a more solo manner, with the exception of Rattlesnakes with it's delayed back and forth technique-see below*) Unlike the Rhodes , however, the Wurly is an absolute mongrel to tune. On the end of each reed is a lump of solder- removing some makes the note sharper in pitch, while conversely, adding more solder flattens the pitch. Just loosening the reed and re-tightening it is enough to change the tuning (producing the effect on Rattlesnakes and I Don't Like Mondays). Should you dare try removing some of the solder whilst the reed is still in the pickup assembly, microscopic lead filings can cause havoc, shorting out between reed and pickup, and nasty farting and spitting sounds result when played. Also, if the actual overall shape of the lump of solder is altered too radically, the timbre of the note may start to change. (It sounds TO ME that they [T's sound techs] PROBABLY removed some of these 'solder' pieces and replaced them with cotton batting to produce a softer short bell tone... of course do NOT take my word for it this is just from my experience with electric pianos) The basic difference between the two is the sound that each produces (apart from the differences in appearance and technical makeup). If you listen to New Age with headphones on you can hear the beginning chords on the wurly sound as if they are reverberating off eachother. This is the tremelo effect described above. If you listen to Rattlesnakes you hear more of a bell sound squashed off with no reverb and practically no tremelo. This is the 'slushy' effect described above. What is so unique about the Rhodes is that you can change the inner parts to sound different and it is a little more versatile than the wurley in that sense. (You can take parts away and it will still sound ok, not like the wurly that you have to replace those parts [solder parts] with similar parts [cotton or the such]) *The effect on the Rhodes that T uses in Rattlesnakes is particularly amusing because they used a delay back and forth (an original technique) to try and create the tail of a rattlesnake swishing back and forth. They actually made a Fender Rhodes have somewhat a kind of REVERB! Something that is rarely done in rock music today. Wow. Phew that's all folks. I'm going in for my carpal tunnel surgery tomorrow. LOL :) ~~carrie~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:40:07 -0300 From: "Carlos Verrastro" Subject: Toriphiles I need your Help! Hi guys! I need your help your guys soooooo bad! Recently a friend of mine has made me a Tori Compilation CD-R for me, with some B-sides that are my favourites! I KNOW I SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS, but GET REAL!, LIVING In ARGENTINA there is NO WAY for me TO GET THE REAL CD LIMITED SINGLES. The Tracks are 1-Graveyard ( Haunting !!!) 2-Black Swam (no words to explain it!) 3-Strange Fruit (I love this, I was missing something really big) 4-Honey ( WOOOOOOOOWWWWWW that is as great as SUGAR!) 5-Here. In My head (I already have it live on the 1996 Bootleg IN MY HEAD. But it4s one of my favourites EVER!) 6-Frog on my Toe (Haunting and xtremely poignant, a must have!) 7-Never Seen Blue ( The most beautiful love song I have ever heard, Her voice seems to float in this track) 8-Beulah Land (Soooooo haunting, I am in love of the gospel like choruses) 9- A case of U (This has became my song!, it is soooooooooo sad and the vocals are soooooooooo stunning, I have no words to describe!!) 10- Thoughs ( A new one to me, I love it since I heard it on the CD) So I hate when CD-R has blank inlays and I want to make one with the computer, with my favourites Tori pictures. SO here is where you guys have to help me! I need a Title for my cd, I have though of A HUMMING BIRDS WINGS, because Her music remains me of a little humming bird, delicate, complex, xtremely beautiful and with stunning iridescent colorful wings. But i have also thought of A SIRENS MOAN, because her vocals remains me of a siren4s one at times. So the deal is that now I cannot get decided on the title. WHICH DO YOU THING SUITS BETTER THE SET OF SONG? PLEASE help me! I will be waiting! Daniel :) "May the Faeries Guide U"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:51:52 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Re: meeting and greeting In a message dated 10/31/2001 10:39:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, ToriLiscious@cs.com writes: << you know, even if i was to meet tori, i can't think of anything i wouldn't be embarrassed of to say to her. most things i can think of includes emotional shit, and i'm sure tori knows that she affects us like that. she's been told that for years by crying girls and i'm sure that as much as she still appreciates it, there's got to be that 'rolling-your-eyes' feeling in the back of her mind. i don't know this, don't know her, complete speculation here, so don't ream me for it, okay? >> I think that Tori would appreciate you being yourself. There's no use trying to change who you are and what your reaction will be to meet her. When I met Tori in 96 I had the same feeling as you.. very nervous. Our eyes met and we didn't have to say much. She gave me a kiss on my cheek. Every meet and greet that I've been to since then she spots me, waves, and points to her cheek as if she remembers that she kissed me. '10-7-96 Thanx for the Kiss in 96' is what I wrote on the outside of my note for her at Massey Hall on Oct. 19th. She held up my card and pointed to her cheek when she boarded the bus and saw me. That means more to me than any picture or autograph would. ~~carrie~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:10:20 -0500 From: Ray Bailey Subject: Re: some general tour thoughts Jennifer Mitts Cypres wrote: > Richard, > > Wow. You really MUST write Tori concert reviews for > Rolling Stone or something like that. All that > well-rounded music and Tori knowledge should be shared > with more people than just us. I don't know anyone I know I haven't posted in eons, but really I do plan to come out of the lurking corner *sometime* soon. Just thought I'd drop a note to say that indeed, Jennifer, Richard is quite... the bomb? :-) - -- - - rAy aka kOcheSe aka HaLo My life closed twice before its close- It yet remains to see If immortality unveil A third even to me So huge, so hopeless to conceive As these that twice befell. Parting is all we know of heaven, And all we need of hell. -Emily Dickinson ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #214 *************************************