From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #93 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, June 3 2001 Volume 06 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: precious-things-digest V6 #90 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: MysT's EWF Quote of the Day ~ [Mallettdove@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #91 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: Hello? Am I in the RIGHT PLACE??? [ashy- ] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #92 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #92 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: I thought Tori did/contrasting body of music [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #90 [Mallettdove@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #91 [Mallettdove@aol.com] Re: I thought Tori did/contrasting body of music [Mallettdove@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 04:01:11 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #90 In a message dated 5/25/2001 10:40:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > << Hey, does tori hire new members for her band everytime? >> > > No, she sticks with the same people for a very long time. > > <> > > What are you referring to when you say extras? extra musicians, as in scouting out availabilities in the paper and such. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:19:12 EDT From: Mallettdove@aol.com Subject: Re: MysT's EWF Quote of the Day ~ In a message dated 5/31/01 12:14:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mysterilady2001@cs.com writes: << As to boring and unchanging .... They were talking about Tori AMOS and not some other Tori (actress, wrestler ... ) ? Unchanging .... OK - Winter to Datura, almost exactly the same if you turn the CD off or pour molten lead into your ears - No comment required !! >> Well, your friend doesn't get the whole picture here. It's already been explained in great detail by pcm23@drexel.edu in his response to *feelings on...*, in excerpts like: <> This is the point I was trying to make. I'm glad there's someone else on this list who understood. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:48:37 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #91 In a message dated 5/28/2001 10:34:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > <> > > call me crazy, but, in my opinion she is always broadening her horizans. > there are huge differences in all of her albums. LITTLE EARTHQUAKES being > the > obvious kate bush wanna-bee......to VENUS being electronically-based, and > much more zeppelin influenced! she can recreate her songs like madonna > recreates her style. sometimes when she starts playing a song in a new way i > > don't even recognize it until familiar lyrics appear! so, maybe some of her > overall style is the same. who cares? that's what makes her music hers! Agree. If you don't like her music thus far, and disagree w/her choices and career path, why do you show interest in her then? i can see where you are coming from, and perhaps even why you stated what you stated--to vent, express a point, etc--but if you are doing so take heed that people will be startled as to why you are still a follower of hers in the first place. If you're making a critical point, at least back it up w/what you do enjoy about her to save yourself the discord. AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: ashy- Subject: Re: Hello? Am I in the RIGHT PLACE??? hell yeah girl! lol when i read that, i was completely disgusted. i mean, c'mon guys. if you wanted the same ol' run of the mill shit, then we'd just have the same thing as those people with no actual taste for good, heartfelt, powerful music. i mean jesus, she's not fuckin britney spears or anything. she's not some amateur at a piano singing songs to make you bounce. she's out to tell her story, get it out in the open, do something that hasn't really been done too foten in the past in the music industry: be raw and open. as for her on stage, if she wasn't drooling on the keys, grinding the bench, punching the piano, throwing her hair around, each song would be presented the same way as the song before it. and who wants to sit through a show of the same ol' same ol'? one thing that i love about tori's shows is that it's like an emotional roller coaster. you're bouncing to cornflake girl and bawling your eyes out to pretty good year... if she changed, she wouldn't be tori. and another point to touch on, like myst said, yeah, madonna does the change thing mainly for the money it brings. but does tori? i rest my case.... also, my old website that some of you may remember (tea with the waitress) has gone under major construction. i'm working on getting it all put up there, but the main frame of it is up if you wanna check it out. http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/waitress/ ashy- - --- Mysterilady2001@cs.com wrote: > > Hi ya EWF ~ > > I am responding to the message below. Please > reread then I'll comment > below. > > * > In a message dated 5/25/01 10:41:08 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > Mallettdove@aol.com writes: > > << Well, I doubt that it will be very different from > what she's done in the > past. She's not very eclectic and she doesn't > change her person that often. > Most likely, she's still the same piano-humping, > drooling, screaming, non > conformist she's always been. Oh, and I wonder how > many times she's going to > say 'fuck' on this tour? Probably every night. > 'Fuck' is a great word when > the moment calls for it, but she vastly overuses it > sometimes. Maybe she > should learn to shock her parents by not saying > 'fuck'. That would be a > change. >> > > Well, Lordy! This IS still a Tori fan-web-daily > am I right? > This IS still a PRO-Tori place yes? OK, so let me > get this right - > first she was called a druggie NOW we have someone > negatively > commenting on Tori for being TORI! Let me say this > to anyone > and no one in particular - If you want someone who > dramatically > changes tour by tour, video by video, magazine cover > by magazine > cover, GO SEE MADONNA! I hear she is touring this > summer. > She (Mrs. Richie) does it - the changes, the major > theatrics, for > thrillsville (& greenbacks, lest we forget the > "motive".) I guess it's > my age - call me The Ancient One - MysT! - but I > don't need > MAJOR FREAKING changes to catch the ever-present > nuance of > change totally visible to ME from one album to the > next. To me its > like a story unfolding, chapter by chapter, album by > album. I loved > what Neil said about her motherhood being a force on > this album > and as he referred to it as her first grown-up > album. As a mother I > totally understand that! Tori can stay as she has > always been, I > will ALWAYS be there in the audience - awaiting the > nuance, the > moment she chooses to take the breath, the look she > gives that > says so much. Yes, it is I - the chick who gets off > on the nuance. > > As for the word fuck - fuck doesn't bother me. > Its a word. Tori > has said it less on tour in her entire career than > Fred Durst says > it in one of my Sons Limp Bizkit songs. LOL! Maybe > this will be > the year of Shit! Or Bitch! Or Asshole! Maybe this > will be the year > of no profanity. The baby will be at least a year > old when she tours, > most us good Mommy's try not to talk trash *in > front* of our bambinos. > > If Tori ever did stop sitting legs open, if she > did stop the breathy > lines mixed with the telltale looks that speak > volumes. If she ever > did START behaving in any other way other than our > Tori I would > swear to God that the aliens have come to town and > replaced her > with a second-rate quasi Walmart variety CLONE! And > then I'd have > to turn Scully & kick some alien butt! Frankly I > have a wedding to plan > & I have no time for that crap, so I'll take my > usual Tori. It's yummy :-) > > Our of the woodwork Toodles ~ MysT > > *** ===== through that and this trading list - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/trading/html/ tea with the waitress - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/waitress/html/ ashley's page - http://members.tripod.com/venusenvy/ 'rolling and unrolling, coiling, emerging, running free...' - tori amos Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:39:47 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #92 In a message dated 5/30/2001 10:33:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > << As to boring and unchanging .... They were talking about > Tori AMOS and not some other Tori (actress, wrestler ... ) ? > Unchanging .... OK - Winter to Datura, almost exactly the same > if you turn the CD off or pour molten lead into your ears > - No comment required !! >> > > Don't ya just hate it when your friends are sharper than you! LOL :-) > > It's 1:30 am & I'm eating coooookies Toodles ~ MysT whoa...he compared winter to datura? Um, someone needs to diagnose those sounds a little better...cuz those songs are NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NIL alike. AJ its 2:30 am and im eating Rolo's with cocoa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:51:49 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #92 In a message dated 5/30/2001 10:33:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > However, there are things i love and cherish about Tori. I love that she > can play anything on piano that she's ever heard, whether it be the > piano-fied "Jaurez" or her single take of "Love Song" from Love Line. I > think the prospects of the new album sounds really thrilling, especially > because Neil Gaiman is entirely floored (and he's been listening to Tori > longer than pretty much any of us have). from loveline the mtv show???? btw, matt's opinion wasn't negative--it was just irrelevant. he was citing stuff that isn't even true and exist. i.e, tori never changing, majority of fans being asskissers(um, since when does having respect and giving credit when credit's due constitute as asskissing? people who write to porn mags with intense adoration of the porn stars don't get dubbed as asskissing - --they're just admiring something and enjoying it. This is a fan discussion forum, so same thing. ) If you have a negative view, go right ahead and express it--but be relevant with what you are conveying. AJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:44:00 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: I thought Tori did/contrasting body of music In a message dated 5/30/2001 10:33:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > Subject: Re: I thought Tori did > > I honestly don't see where she hasn't changed and altered her music. I mean, > whenever I am making a sampler for one of my friends to introduce them to > Tori, I have the hardest time picking out songs, because she has so many > sides to her, and I want to make sure I get a spectrum of her music... What > she is is an extremely gifted pianist. The piano has always been there for > her in life, even on Y Kant Tori Read. She has altered sounds throughout > albums (you have seen the posts about the clavichords, Kurzweils, and whatnot, > then there are the string arrangements she added to a few songs with some > help, and the occasional male back-up vocalist such as Trent Reznor), and as > the albums continued, she added more instruments (such as the harpsichord) > until finally she had a full-fledged band. Then, to further explore, she > probed into electronic music for TVAB. I mean, how more varied could you get > when your main basis is a piano and your voice? > Her voice is her voice, and it's basically the same with every other singer. > > Maybe I have misunderstood what you've said. It seems to me that over time, > just like any other band or musician, she has altered her sound. I mean, it > is my understanding that a lot of Toriphiles absolutely love Little > Earthquakes, but can't get into To Venus and Back, because it's TOO DIFFERENT. > tori's music has something for everyone. i know a few goths who are partial to Hotel....she's covered almost every area of electronica--hotel, cruel, ras swirl, et al...nevertheless all the remixes and how HEAVILY SAMPLED tori's music has been used by internatioal top DJs like Digweed. then of course she has the soft heartfelt side, the rock n roll essence, etc etc. how, by any means, does this not consitute as different types of music, to all those who say it doesn't? AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:20:10 EDT From: Mallettdove@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #90 In a message dated 6/2/01 10:19:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JNe9027355@aol.com writes: << extra musicians, as in scouting out availabilities in the paper and such. >> I don't think she does, she plays up on stage with the same three guys. I doubt that they'll be around this time though. At least I know Caton won't be, the other two I don't know about. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:07:00 EDT From: Mallettdove@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #91 In a message dated 6/2/01 10:20:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JNe9027355@aol.com writes: << you are still a follower of hers >> I'm not a follower of hers. I just take a great interest in her music. I've never been to any of her concerts, or met her, but I have read many many reviews from people who have and I have read countless concert reviews and interviews and I know basically what she's all about. That's all I really need, just a general idea of her personality, I don't need to sit up until three in the morning listening to tape recordings of her voice, or dye my hair red, or to learn to play the piano, or spend countless hours, days analyzing and interpreting her music. I don't think she's worth it really. She is, after all, just another human being, a rather interesting and strange one, but still human. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:18:32 EDT From: Mallettdove@aol.com Subject: Re: I thought Tori did/contrasting body of music In a message dated 6/2/01 10:20:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JNe9027355@aol.com writes: << how, by any means, does this not constitute as different types of music, to all those who say it doesn't? >> It may be different types of music, but it comes from all of the same people, and like someone else said, the amount of eclecticism that an audience actually sees is limited. If she were experimenting with a whole new genre, how would anyone even know unless she told them. She sings most of her songs in a similar 'Tori' way. Breathing some words out, screaming at other times, and growling at other parts. There is no way she could ever actually sing in a different way unless she wanted to, and as far as I can see, she has had no interest in changing her singing style so far. She's happy that she has her own little language. I think she sounded a little nicer sometimes when singing Baltimore. At least I could decipher the words then. I'm scared to think what it could sound like now if she performed it. Someone from the audience would probably think the song was called Bainbridge. LOL! Bainbridge is city in Maryland. But then there are other times when I love the fact that she has her own little language and that she can communicate this way to people. But I wish that she'd raise her voice a little at other times so I could actually decipher the lyrics in songs that I wouldn't know to begin with. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #93 ************************************