From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #71 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 06 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- my wedding plans- yeah right! [ToriLiscious@cs.com] breastfeeding [ToriLiscious@cs.com] Re: new Tori album info [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: new Tori album info [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: new Tori album info [Scott Kenney ] Re: CFG's "watchword" [UnderH20thing@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #69 [UnderH20thing@aol.com] Re: new Tori album info - 2 [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Re: I need to clarify myself ["mr zebra" ] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #70 ["Richard Austin" ] Tori Trivia 6 ~ ANSWER [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Re: new Tori album info [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Fan mail? ["Ma'ayan Or" ] Tori Quote ["Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" ] Re: new Tori album info [freakgirl ] Girl ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: new Tori album info ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: Fan mail? [Nadyne Mielke ] opinions [ToriLiscious@cs.com] Bad time for Bovines ["Richard Austin" ] Re: new Tori album info - 2 [Mallettdove@aol.com] See you in the dreamtime... ["Amy Dvorak" ] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #69 ["molly" ] [none] ["Richard Austin" ] tits [ToriLiscious@cs.com] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #70 ["Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" <] Re: nursing, etc. [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: Fan mail? [Nadyne Mielke ] tits and stuff [ToriLiscious@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:05:56 EDT From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: my wedding plans- yeah right! Hey MysT (and EWF)! I have decided on Thank You (tori version- of course!), because i think it's so beautiful!! I have also decided on Angel Standing By, by Jewel, that I'll also play on piano.. although, i don't know when to sing/play them! i love it when songs are played during the ceremony, but no one's playing but ME at my wedding, so i dunno if i should wait for the reception and only have orchestral music at the ceremony. any ideas? i keep postponing the wedding date because i have no idea what kind of wedding i want. i keep changing my mind, between a fantasy wedding in the winter, to a x-mas wedding, to a spring wedding to a new years midnight wedding... i'm supposed to be this great wedding consultant, and now i'm freakin clueless! anybody have any ideas? thanks n' stuff, micah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:53:11 EDT From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: breastfeeding about the whole breast feeding thing... oh no no no no- my best friend just had a baby and i have seen many of her tit.. you know, we're girls, so we change in front of each other and so on.. i can totally deal with her breast feeding in one of our homes, on the couch, with just the 2 of us.. but sometimes she'll pop it out wherever, and although i know that her kid has to eat, i also know that she's a stay at home mom who says the only reason she doesn't pump is that she doesn't feel like it.. so, my outlook on it is (keep in mind she's my best friend!) if your kid is so hungry then pump a bottle if you're going to be out in public for over 2 hrs. don't get me wrong, some people don't have enough time to pump, some women have other kids and other plans, but it just embarasses the HELL out of me to see a kid on a tit! i know it's natural, i know kids have to eat, i know, i know. and i am the most obnoxious, offensive person you'll meet i'm sure. but for some reason the kid on the tit thing is, to me, like watching a sex scene with your parents. very uncomfortable. and you know, i don't think tori would want some weird fan trying to get a pic of her tit while trying to adjust her li'l girl. sorry but i had to say it stuff, micah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:32:07 EDT From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Re: new Tori album info Daisy wrote: << Flaunting is poor taste OR inexperience. I repeat, you do not need to show hardly any skin to breastfeed.>> To which I replied: Ok let me clarify. I sat next to a woman at a Sarah Brightman concert that breastfed her kid in the seat next to me 3 times during the concert. Her kid was slurping happily but LOUDLY as I was trying to enjoy the concert. Maybe this womans' breast wasn't showing, but being right next to her, I could not help but get a nice view of it and it was making me very mad. Another time I was at an art gallery for a friends first art show. This woman plunked her butt down on a chair in front of my friends' painting and proceeded to flip her boob out and breast feed her kid. That is just NOT the right place to do it, I don't care what you say. Don't you think public is not the best place to nurse your baby? I don't understand why you can't use formula in public and nurse at home. Or even use pumped milk in public. Daisy also wrote: << I do happen to nurse in bathrooms and cars because I believe that my baby deserves the best food (milk) and I know people are so WEIRD about it. But think about it--all they are doing is EATING. >> To which I replied: I didn't say that anything was wierd about it. It's actually a human miracle that you can feed a kid with a body part. But if I wanted to see a strangers boob, no matter how well you cover it up, I'd go to a strip club. Now don't get me wrong, I don't put down breast feeding. It's a wonderful natural thing, but I can't understand why a person can't take pumped breast milk or formula when they go out in public with their baby. I realize they are just feeding their baby, but I'm sorry but others do not want to see or hear it at unoportune times. Yikes, I'm such a bitch sometimes! Red ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:24:50 EDT From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Re: new Tori album info In a message dated 4/21/2001 1:09:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, loopgaroo@g2a.net writes: << I think we lost communication here. I think the people that "flaunt" are annoying too. Most people (that I know of anyway) nurse with a BLANKET over their shoulder covering both baby and the offending breast COMPLETELY. And covering fully half of the mom's body, for that matter. As far as the noise, hey, I find people cracking their knuckles the most annoying sound in the world and people do that all the time. I put up with it. >> But don't you think that woman did that in the wrong place? I mean I spent $65 on that concert and all i heard was SLURP SLURP... jeez ;) Red ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:01:45 -0400 From: Scott Kenney Subject: Re: new Tori album info On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:18:00PM -0400, RedSpark18@aol.com wrote: > > The article said that Tori HAD bonding experiences WHILE nursing Natashya. > Isn't that the past tense? As in she DID nurse her. Anyhow, Uh, Little > Natashya was born Sep. 5, 2000. Tori's new album comes out Sept. 18th, 2001. > That means little Natashya will be over a year old when the album comes out > and by the time she tours Natashya will be close to a year if not a year. Do > people really nurse a kid after a year old? Yes my daughter was nursed till almost 4, it becomes a comfort item in later years and not so much a food issue. > Now I don't have a problem with nursing a baby. But I think that bearing any > part of your naked body for a baby to suck on is kinda yucky and it should be > done in private. I for one, do not want to see ANY of a strangers tit, let > alone someone SUCKING on that boob. And the people that I've seen nursing in > public do NOT try to hide it very well in fact they FLAUNT it and THAT is the > disgusting part. I do NOT want to be sitting in a nice restaurant with some > stranger's tit hanging out with a baby attached to it. That is just something > that should be done elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with sitting in the car > or going to the bathroom to feed your kid when boobies are involved. If I HAD > to eat while exposing a part of someones privates then I'd do it in private. > Like if it was absolutely necessary for my tit to be hanging out while I was > eating, then I'd do it alone. Am I alone on this one?! I can't let this go by! The function of breasts is feeding babies. This attitude really shows a completely backwards way of viewing the breast. - -- Scott Kenney >|< saken@hotel.rmta.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:12:50 EDT From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Re: CFG's "watchword" an intersesting note - There's an old Southern hymn called "Peal out the Watchword." j'ason In a message dated 4/21/2001 12:01:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JNe9027355@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 4/16/2001 10:31:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > I love Cornflake Girl...esp. when I found out what "watchword" was. watch*word (noun) First appeared 15th Century 1 : a word or phrase used as a sign of recognition among members of the same society, class, or group 2 a : a word or motto that embodies a principle or guide to action of an individual or group : SLOGAN <"safety" is our ~> b : a guiding principle I wonder which sense tori is using it in....? :) AJ >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:09:04 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: new Tori album info I think we lost communication here. I think the people that "flaunt" are annoying too. Most people (that I know of anyway) nurse with a BLANKET over their shoulder covering both baby and the offending breast COMPLETELY. And covering fully half of the mom's body, for that matter. As far as the noise, hey, I find people cracking their knuckles the most annoying sound in the world and people do that all the time. I put up with it. I am not trying to piss anyone off here! And I do not think you are a bitch, because you did not attack my character, like some less able-minded people on this list have done. You are just expressing your opinion in a reasonable way, just as I am trying to. Daisy Melanie > Daisy wrote: > << Flaunting is poor taste OR inexperience. I repeat, you do not need to show > hardly any skin to breastfeed.>> > > To which I replied: > Ok let me clarify. I sat next to a woman at a Sarah Brightman concert that > breastfed her kid in the seat next to me 3 times during the concert. Her kid > was slurping happily but LOUDLY as I was trying to enjoy the concert. Maybe > this womans' breast wasn't showing, but being right next to her, I could not > help but get a nice view of it and it was making me very mad. Another time I > was at an art gallery for a friends first art show. etc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:50:35 EDT From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: CFG's "watchword" Knowing Tori and her love of double entendres..... she probably meant all of the meanings as they all certainly do work. ...till next time see you in the dreamtime... Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:49:23 EDT From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #69 It's not a direct lyric. Tori once said, " I won't say bye, only see you in the dreamtime." I'm not sure where I got it from really, but it's stuck for about 2 years now. Maybe someone else has more 411. ..till next time see you in the dreamtime... Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:28:19 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Re: new Tori album info - 2 Change - I'm adding to a statement I made in my previous post - "Maybe some of you have seen a woman freely expose herself while nursing in public. If you have I think its rare." To that I'd like to add - If you have I think its rare IN THE USA. Some other countries are very used to and comfortable with an exposed mothers breast and baby nursing. They think nothing of it & don't even notice - its normal. In those places breast feeding is seen as what it is - a baby eating. Our beliefs, tolerances & status quo's are often shaped by where we live. Just had to clarify Toodles ~ MysT *** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:42:15 -0500 From: "mr zebra" Subject: Re: I need to clarify myself > First of all I want to apologize to Matthew > if I hurt his feelings in any way. No apology necessary. In fact, I'm more offended by the apology than by the original response [1]. I'm so sick of society's hypersensitivity. Everybody needs to LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP. :-) I know I should have noted the source of the article. I usually do. I just forgot to put it in there this time. It's not the end of the world. And neither is someone correcting me. Everytime someone gets corrected, they feel like it's a personal slight against his or her character and feel the need to irrationally defend themselves, or worse defend an acquaintance who has been corrected. Ridiculous. We all need to be corrected sometimes. And we all need to be KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT sometimes. I'm just hear to spread a little of both. ;-) matthew. girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short, wear shorts and boots because it's ok to be a boy. but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading because you think that being a girl is degrading. but secretly, you'd love to know what it's like, wouldn't you? what it feels like for a girl... [1] But thanks for the thought... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:39:26 +0100 From: "Richard Austin" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #70 Hi, I'm new here (Thanks Myst!) and it's about time I introduced myself :-) Interesting debate on nursing - I have to say that, for me, a nursing baby is one of those "Aaaah" things along with an old couple still walking along the street arm in arm. It just makes me feel good with the world. I have many friends who have been nursing mothers and have experienced their problems finding places to feed their baby. No, I do not think that I would like to eat in a toilet and I don't see why babies should have to either !! I guess some people do have problems with it but, as Daisy says in her message, it can be done discreetly so as not to offend those that wish to be offended. Me, I just think it's beautiful ... But then what do I know, I'm just a guy :-) Back on topic - Does anybody have any clues as to Belew's involvement on the new album ? I've been a fan of Belew's work right back from when FZ found him in Nashville way back when. I think it was an inspired choice as he has always added textural layers to songs much as Caton did, so I'm really looking forward to hearing the results. I've always found his playing to be sympathetic to whatever he has been working on, never swamping the song, a true musician. Tori's work has always been very personal and has reflected her experiences, so it's inevitable that motherhood will feature highly on the new album - looking forward to lullabies and Rusk references ! Be happy, RTA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:35:51 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Tori Trivia 6 ~ ANSWER Hi ya EWF ~ I just want to say I'm hella glad that PT is Mike's & woj's & is not my baby. Poor PT would suffer so much at my hand LOL :-) It's now SATURDAY morning & I've *again* forgotten to post this weeks answer. Oy Me! As before, question below and answer below that. * In a message dated 4/16/01 10:30:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: << Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:47:52 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Tori Trivia 6 ~ Hi ya EWF ~ Jim's 2 week stay is ending today & we have mucho things to do... So I'm making this one super easy & short: Atlantic produced a promo item that was later recalled - (by legal threat!) Tell me ~ 1. Item - description & lot number. 2. Why it was recalled. 3. WHO made them recall it. Good luck Toodles ~ MysT *** >> My friends RTA & Giovanni answered everything perfectly. I need add so little. << 1. The "CORNFLAKE GIRL" "Kellog's" Cornflakes promo box. (Giovanni takes out his Collectibles book...). LOT NUMBER: 04074NC. 2. It was recalled because of copyright problems (I think), Atlantic pretty much didn't have the legal rights to use the design and thus so blatantly "profit" from Kellog's. (Myst adds: steal copyrighted artwork.) 3. It was recalled by Atlantic, who proceeded to do it in response to Kellog's otherwise inmminent lawsuit. I think that's it! Take care, Giovanni >> And as RTA wrote; The box used is indeed the small, individual size Kellogg's Cornflake box. The semi gloss stickers were applied to the boxes and distributed to record stations. Later someone reproduced the stickers, applied them to a different lot of boxes and tried to pass them off as the real deal. If purchasing a Cornflake Girl box check the lot number before paying your money. How many were actually received back to Atlantic is unknown. I think it was more a a case of Atlantic not producing any more of them. I've seen a couple dozen appear in the last year on eBay. How many were legit I am not aware, not all the ad's listed the lot number. This is a good time to buy Tori collectibles on eBay and while I've seen legit Cornflake Girl boxes go for well over $100.00 in the past, lately they are likely to go for half that. I'll post a pic of the sticker on my eBay page for those who haven't seen it before. I think its quite clever. For fun I'll post the equally clever Sunmaid Raisin "Raisin Girl" pic too :-) I'll try to have the pics posted by Sunday or Monday evening. Or I can be e-mailed personally before then. Happy Raisin Girl Toodles ~ MysT http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/***myst***/ *I'd like to express sadness at the April 15, 2001 passing of Joey Ramone - 49, born Jeffrey Hyman in Queen's, New York. He was an outspoken rebel & cultural icon from my youth. I was lucky enough to see the Ramone's once in Hollywood (at the Whiskey I think) in the mid-80's. As I recall it was crazy, amazing & scary all at once - - - Rock 'n Roll High School - I Wanna Be Sedated - Adios Amigo! http://www.officialramones.com/site/opening.html *** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:39:45 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Re: new Tori album info Hi ya EWF ~ I just gotta say I was somewhat bothered by the hostility that was expressed in light of nursing a baby. I applaud Daisy for speaking up and for fielding the remarks in a calm manner. Nursing is the natural & best way to feed a human infant. As I mentioned before I nursed my kids long ago - youngest is 12 now. In all my 37 years I've only seen one person feed their baby in an exposed way and I'll tell you it was HER way to do it like that - she was just like that in everything she did - she frequently enjoyed bearing her flesh to get attention. Feeding her infant was just another way to do it. I also witnessed her expose her breasts for no apparent reason - like I said, it was her way - (ex sister in law, I ran like hell from that family, I'm guessing you have figured out why). Each new Mom who decides to nurse has weeks at home after the baby's birth to work on her "technique". While she can just freely nurse in her own home I can guarantee she thinks about how she will accomplish the feat in public. Babies & their Mommies do need to leave the home eventually and said babies still need to eat regardless if Mom is in the mall, a restaurant or over a friends house. Nursing Mom's are no more in favor of exposing themselves as any other woman, in fact they may even be less so. (Having a baby and lactating can create certain uhhh... issues.) Most Mom's carry a blankie with them, throw it over their shoulder, pull the baby to breast level, work the blankie loosely over the baby's head and chest area, covering both baby and Mom's chest and then proceed to unbutton, unzip, etc., to feed their Wee One. After a few times at this the Mom can even adjust the blankie so she can look down and make eye contact with her baby without anyone else having view - (Unless of course you are standing over her and glaring down her chest. And if someone does this you gotta wonder what's going on with them. Oy!) There is nothing wrong or exposing about nursing this way. I can tell you from very fond memories the inner peace and happiness you feel looking down upon your baby's clear happy eyes and knowing you are totally providing the sustenance he or she needs to grow and flourish. Its a marvelous joy. Sometimes I think its just that some, mostly childless women, have a personal issue knowing what the baby is doing under that blanket. Whether this is too earth mother for them or what I don't know, I've never had that issue. If you'll notice its usually women who complain, men usually don't. Maybe the men like the idea. (HeHe :-) I agree that Tori is not at all likely to feed her bambino in public, she is a public figure. But I think if she wasn't ever Tori and was still Myra Ellen she likely would, blankie in hand, nurse when her baby when needed. Maybe some of you have seen a woman freely expose herself while nursing in public. If you have I think its rare. Proponents of the Le Leche League promote public nursing without exposing flesh and have even created special nursing shawls to make it a lovely experience for all - Baby, Mom & observers. Tell me if you don't agree a baby is as important a human as you or I? Before people suggest nursing in a smelly, noisy & dirty public bathroom, in a dark, unheated/hot car alone or under a stuffy & restricting blanket I suggest they eat their meal under these conditions first and see how they like it. Truth of the matter is its perfectly ok to turn your head & change the view and go on with your own life if you don't like what you see. But what you can't do is tell someone else what they can do if they are doing it respectfully. I also suggest they NEVER EVER go to a foreign country because they would die of exposed nursing mother syndrome as 90% of the world considers nursing normal and nursing mothers & their babies beautiful. I must also say I think women who choose not to nurse or can't nurse are just as good mothers, as are adoptive Mom's & Dad's. It's not a competition, it's tolerance. If I hit on issues that were NOT what the writers were meaning or I misunderstood, my apologies. Ok, so I took up Daisy's rant. But then again, what's new? Live & Let Live Toodles ~ MysT :::munching on Easter candy::: - (Who speaks her mind and thinks everyone should, if they want :-) *Anyone else notice the Whoppers Robin's Eggs this Easter were HUGE? Robin's eggs are itty bitty things, someone outta tell the Whoppers candy Co. LOL! *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:57:13 +0200 From: "Ma'ayan Or" Subject: Fan mail? I was wondering - did anyone ever recieve a reply on a fan letter to Tori? Ma'ayan "Dancers are the athletes of God" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:37:39 -0400 From: "Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" Subject: Tori Quote I'm looking for a Tori Quote that was posted recently about her ideas of men, "We should stop calling all men bastards and just say that all men are babies until they decide to become men". If someone can send me this soon, I'd VERY much like it. :) Thanks! peace christina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: freakgirl Subject: Re: new Tori album info - --- RedSpark18@aol.com wrote: > Do people really nurse a kid after a year old? Actually it is recommended to breast feed your child until age 2. I don't know if many people actually do this, but it is recommended. I respect your feelings toward breast feeding, but I don't agree with them. I think that we should be very supportive of nursing mothers. I know that breast feeding can be done very discretely in public (as in the boob not hanging out), so maybe you've just seen bad examples. Anyway just had to spout, freakgirl Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:43:28 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Girl > Yes, PThings and Waitress just had to be on the live disc. No question. But > a lot of the other songs do not rank as my Tori faves. ComT, Sugar, > Cornflake, Cooling, and Cruel are all fine with me. I know many Tori fans > love LE, but it leaves me cold. I would've loved to have Doughnut Song, > > Tom YES Doughnut Song LIVE is breathtaking! I always loved the studio version, but it never seemed quite finished or something. Done live it comes into its own in a powerful way. I really wished that wouldve been on the album. ok call me stupid, but what is ComT??? Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net Quote of the Year: "Fine. You obviously are the kind of person who would pull your breast out in public and probably announce it to every one around while your feeding your child. 'Look, I'm being new age and risque and a strong independent modern woman who gets every thing she wants.' So, if I ever see you breast feeding out and about showing yourself off, I'll throw you a scrap of bread." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:58:43 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: new Tori album info Ok, here is the long and short of it: *I* would never ever feed my baby at a frigging concert (I would never even *bring* my baby to a concert). However, I would also never smoke pot at a concert. I have been puked on, spilled on, and had pot smoke blown at me at various concerts that have cost me plenty of money. I think that these people were doing that crap in the wrong place, but that kind of stuff dosent get quite the same reaction as feeding a baby...I think I would rather hear "slurp slurp" any time. I feel that it is a woman's RIGHT (and her baby's right) to feed her baby anytime and any place. It is up to the woman to be tactful and appropriate. Maybe this woman was flaunting, but maybe she was actually *wincing* at all the noise her kid was making, but she knew a SCREAMING hungry baby would be MUCH louder! > << I think we lost communication here. I think the people that "flaunt" are > annoying too. Most people (that I know of anyway) nurse with a BLANKET over > their shoulder covering both baby and the offending breast COMPLETELY. And > covering fully half of the mom's body, for that matter. As far as the noise, > hey, I find people cracking their knuckles the most annoying sound in the > world and people do that all the time. I put up with it. >> > But don't you think that woman did that in the wrong place? I mean I spent > $65 on that concert and all i heard was SLURP SLURP... jeez ;) > > Red > Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net Quote of the Year: "Fine. You obviously are the kind of person who would pull your breast out in public and probably announce it to every one around while your feeding your child. 'Look, I'm being new age and risque and a strong independent modern woman who gets every thing she wants.' So, if I ever see you breast feeding out and about showing yourself off, I'll throw you a scrap of bread." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:19:45 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Fan mail? At 12:57 22-04-01 +0200, Ma'ayan Or wrote: >I was wondering - did anyone ever recieve a reply on a fan letter to Tori? Mail sent to Tori's management or Really Deep Thoughts (the official fanzine) [1] generally does not get to Tori. She can't deal with it anymore, there is simply too much of it. Tori's management deals with the lion's share of the mail. A very very very small number of letters get forwarded to Tori herself. Tori is, of course, well aware of the profound effect her music has had on many of her fans. But the sheer volume of letters that she gets now means that she can't take care of all of them personally. She has a family and her friends, not to mention writing more music. In the past, Tori has said that she -does- read all letters given to her (or her crew) at her concerts. Whether she will continue this policy on her next tour, especially if she brings little Natashya on the road with her, is anyone's guess. If you are interested in writing a letter to Tori, I recommend doing so anyway, even with the knowledge that she may never read it. It's very good to get your thoughts down on paper, to sort them out. If you don't feel comfortable sending it, keep it for yourself, and read it a year or more later. /nm [1] Well, RDT is the official fanzine for the time being. They have said that they will publish four more issues to honour their commitment to their subscribers, and then close their doors. There is a new Tori fanzine, Little Blue World, which will be shipping out its first issue very shortly. You can learn more about it online at: http://www.little-blue-world.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:31:27 EDT From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: opinions <> woah- let's not get into this because there's a LOT of different opinions, and that one is way out there.. sorry, but i'm just tellin' it like it is. let's get back to tori.. stuff, micah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:59:20 +0100 From: "Richard Austin" Subject: Bad time for Bovines Hi, A quick update. I've just checked out the BBC news (most reliable) and apparently it's only 11,000 cows tonight, so that's alright then ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1291000/1291055.stm RTA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:10:30 EDT From: Mallettdove@aol.com Subject: Re: new Tori album info - 2 In a message dated 4/22/01 11:47:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mysterilady2001@cs.com writes: << Some other countries are very used to and comfortable with an exposed mothers breast and baby nursing. They think nothing of it & don't even notice - its normal >> Yeah, third world countries. There is no stability in the lives of many of those people. They live at risk everyday as to whether they will die from disease or starvation. I don't think that they really have time to be considerate of others around them when they are struggling to survive from day to day. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:55:15 -0500 From: "Amy Dvorak" Subject: See you in the dreamtime... I think it's a quote on a page from the plugged 98 tourbook. I included a picture I found on the web. Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Plugged 98 Wallpaper.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:00:02 -0700 From: "molly" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #69 it comes from tori's 98 end of tour message that she gave to Mikewhy for all of us. its on the dent under tour info-plugged tour. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #69 > > It's not a direct lyric. Tori once said, " I won't say bye, only see you in > the dreamtime." I'm not sure where I got it from really, but it's stuck for > about 2 years now. > > Maybe someone else has more 411. > > ..till next time see you in the dreamtime... > Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:45:13 +0100 From: "Richard Austin" Subject: [none] Hi again, It looks like the new album will draw heavily on "light & dark" with new baby and pornography both being mentioned. I suddenly got a strange feeling about the cover art when I realised that tonight (if it goes ahead - there are big protests) Tori will be able to possibly view (and certainly smell) 30,000 burning cows. Apparently the largest funeral pyre ever seen in Europe. The joys of country life 2001 ..... It's such a beautiful part of the country too, normally. So sad. RTA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:03:42 EDT From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: tits re: the whole tit thing i must say that reading the posts i put out, i said some real bitchy things. i'm not going back on that because i'm a real bitch with lots of opinions. however, i just needed to make clear, so people don't think i'm a heartless bitch (mind you i'm just a bitch WITH a heart), that i DO support breastfeeding. I'm down with a baby getting some nutrients. I've said before that my best friend is breastfeeding her 4 month old and I'm all good with that. I'm all good with that when she does it in public. BUT- it embarrasses the hell out of me when she does it in public. I'm sure everyone (including me) in the world knows how natural it is, and how beautiful it is (the bond), and how necessary it is, but the bottom line is, It's embarrassing for others. That's not a reason NOT to do it, it's just my opinion. Just my opinion. Just MY opinion. I know, you don't care who gets embarrassed because your baby has to eat. I'm not saying you should care! but IT'S JUST MY OPINION- I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE, SO PLEASE DON'T ARGUE WITH ME. IT'S MY OPINION AND MY FEELINGS!! (sorry i was just anticipating any future emails directed towards me and my opinions- it's inevitable!) stuff, micah p.s. can we drop this already? jeez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:06:16 -0400 From: "Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #70 I TOTALLY agree with this.... I'm not ever planning on having kids, but I would see it as a wonderful thing if I saw someone in public nursing a baby. I view it as a miracle, and the person probably wouldn't appreciate it, but I'd most likely watch them.... :) I just think it's a fascinating and beautiful thing. No one should have to hide to feed their baby. peace christina - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Austin To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #70 > > Hi, > I'm new here (Thanks Myst!) and it's about time I introduced myself :-) > Interesting debate on nursing - I have to say that, for me, a nursing baby > is one of those "Aaaah" things along with an old couple still walking along > the street arm in arm. It just makes me feel good with the world. I have > many friends who have been nursing mothers and have experienced their > problems finding places to feed their baby. No, I do not think that I would > like to eat in a toilet and I don't see why babies should have to either !! > I guess some people do have problems with it but, as Daisy says in her > message, it can be done discreetly so as not to offend those that wish to be > offended. Me, I just think it's beautiful ... But then what do I know, I'm > just a guy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: nursing, etc. I've been pretty pleased with the postings so far on nursing children on here, but I just had to politely respond to the poster who thinks that nursing in public (or was it nursing in general? I can't remember) is yucky, etc. Just a tad bit of information I picked up in college in a child development class: Nursing helps develop a child's inner ear. Without the hard sucking involved in taking nourishment from the female breast, children tend to develop ear infections more often than those children nourished through formula. And ear infections can be pretty harsh and terrible for a child to go through. Ever had a relative with tubes in the ears? One could also lose partial hearing due to ear infections. Also, it is very important to do it for at least a year, but my professor said two years is best. When they start teething, you can pump and switch to a bottle then, but what mothers provide from their own bodies for their children is the very best nutrition in the world for them. That's why God made it all work this way. Plus, formula is VERY expensive. I know some people have to use formula because they might not produce enough milk or their children just can't do the breast thing, but if at all possible, please do do do nurse your child, and please do it for more than the usual six weeks that most people do... if you care at all about your baby's health. End of sermon. I hope I did not sound uppity. I just wanted to pass along info that I obtained through education. - -jen Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:19:45 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Fan mail? At 12:57 22-04-01 +0200, Ma'ayan Or wrote: >I was wondering - did anyone ever recieve a reply on a fan letter to Tori? Mail sent to Tori's management or Really Deep Thoughts (the official fanzine) [1] generally does not get to Tori. She can't deal with it anymore, there is simply too much of it. Tori's management deals with the lion's share of the mail. A very very very small number of letters get forwarded to Tori herself. Tori is, of course, well aware of the profound effect her music has had on many of her fans. But the sheer volume of letters that she gets now means that she can't take care of all of them personally. She has a family and her friends, not to mention writing more music. In the past, Tori has said that she -does- read all letters given to her (or her crew) at her concerts. Whether she will continue this policy on her next tour, especially if she brings little Natashya on the road with her, is anyone's guess. If you are interested in writing a letter to Tori, I recommend doing so anyway, even with the knowledge that she may never read it. It's very good to get your thoughts down on paper, to sort them out. If you don't feel comfortable sending it, keep it for yourself, and read it a year or more later. /nm [1] Well, RDT is the official fanzine for the time being. They have said that they will publish four more issues to honour their commitment to their subscribers, and then close their doors. There is a new Tori fanzine, Little Blue World, which will be shipping out its first issue very shortly. You can learn more about it online at: http://www.little-blue-world.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:49:40 EDT From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: tits and stuff That's crazy! I don't believe there is even a minor comparison with pot and babies! If you go to a concert, it's just given that people are going to be getting high. unfortunately it's also given that people are going to be sick. They DO sell alcohol at concerts. But, they do not sell nipple shields in case you've lost yours, and they don't sell baby sized t-shirts (baby doll tees dont count!). So, it's not a matter of what's more comfy for someone at a concert. I think it's messed up that this girl would bring her baby there, much less without eating first. <> no, because we were talking about a CONCERT. Unfortunately when someone writes any kind of opinion on this list everyone takes it personally!! All Red was saying is that some people are fucking RUDE when it comes to pulling out their tit. Not saying that it's the ONLY rude thing EVER, in the entire world, but we happened to be on the subject of tits, and Red had some experiences that are considered RUDE. Not saying that Daisy was rude, wasn't even talking about Daisy, but then she writes back saying, <<*I* would never ever feed my baby at a frigging concert! (I would never even *bring* my baby to a concert)>> okay, thank god! But nobody said you had, or that you were going to! It seems like no one can have an opinion or an experience without someone getting defensive about it. Like Matthew says, <> sorry if i offended anyone, i really didn't mean to, please don't send me any friggin hate mail; i'm so sick of it from those certain people on this list when i write an opinion someone disagrees with.. you know, if you love tori so much, why do you act like christians reading the bible of tori? (that wasn't directed toward everyone, just those of you who send me hate mail at least once a week!) stuff, micah ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #71 ************************************