From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #371 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, December 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 371 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: eternal footmen ["The Great Goddess Jolie" ] Re: Stoned Tori? [Aslemp209@aol.com] Re: eternal footmen ["Lynne Toussaint" ] The missing link [Keith Shapiro ] Tori in Mademoiselle [EvilTori@aol.com] Re: Stoned Tori? [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:05:10 GMT From: "The Great Goddess Jolie" Subject: Re: eternal footmen well i can tell ya all about J alfred if you want (i knew there was a reason for being an english messanger). TLSOJAF is a poem by TS eliot about a man fearing getting old. the eternal foot man is death and he was supposed to walk every where b/c his job was a serious one. i.e could you see death on a scooter? so maybe tori means that the EF got himself a bike to race b/c he was tired of his job and wanted to have some fun. like, even death deserves a day off... faerie kisses jolie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:25:25 EST From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Stoned Tori? In a message dated 12/16/99 4:00:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, plugged99@webtv.net writes: << Well, we do know that she smokes. Personally, I've always thought she was high during some of the live performances on the Little Earthquakes home video. >> Hey I didn't know she smoked?/ does any one know which brand? K Sparklerr girl /Venus/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:34:59 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: luna rivera Hey all! I am ***obsessed*** with Spring Haze. BUT--I am not sure what it is about. I have decided that it is about several different things that are all connected on different levels. Does anybody have a theory to share about the meaning of this song? I think it has to do with interpersonal relationships (yes, I know, how vague can I get), or maybe babies/pregnancies??? Or maybe I just have babies on the brain because I JUST FOUND OUT THAT I AM PREGNANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will have to name the baby after Tori in some way...... Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net "I know the truth LIES in between the first and fortieth drink..." " ...and my only way out is to go so far in..." --Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:22:47 EST From: Aslemp209@aol.com Subject: Re: Stoned Tori? In a message dated 12/16/99, jroth@indiana.edu writes: > How do we know that Tori smokes? Any reference I've heard her make to pot > is that she can't indulge to preserve her voice. We actually don't know > what she currently does. All we know is she's taken drugs because she's > said that much. I would think she would find it very unprofessional if > she or anyone else were to appear on a talk show - or MORNING talk show, > mind you - drunk, stoned or anything else. Of course, that's going under the assumption that Tori believes that being stoned is a disability. But, I get your drift.... In response to the rumours that Tori has appeared drunk/stoned/high on the LE video, I just don't see it. I've seen Tori in varying states of being-from ill to euphoric... I just see it as her personality to act as, err, mellow as she is in those LE shows. Pom - -- Pom@rmta.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:15:46 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint" Subject: Re: eternal footmen this is from the under the pink piano book, on her comment on pretty good year "mountain biking became a major event in my life for a week. the mud was so thick on the tires. we got there just in time to feel the mountain thaw, the sound when these two merged was something like 'thclulpleekooh'. I said on an intake of breath with no lips moving and no throat usage, i like this word and i liked the idea of the eternal footman saying 'asta' on a mountain bike." faerie hugs and honey christina - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:03 PM Subject: Re: eternal footmen > > > In a message dated 12/15/99 4:14:38 PM, shiseidored21@hotmail.com writes: > > << this might lead to an interesting thread, Tori mentions "eternal footman" > in > a song (i forget which "shame shame shame'). there is also a character in a > T.S. Eliot poem called the eternal footman (again, i don't know which). i > wonder if she has read any Eliot? >> > > That is so odd that someone else brought this up, but just last Friday, we > were discussing this poem by T.S. Eliot in my British Literature class - it's > called "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" -- It's a beautiful poem, and > the line is "And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker, > And in short, I was afraid." So, of course, I ran up to my professor after > class and asked him about it, and he said he didn't know about Tori's > reference, but that in this particular poem Eliot is referring to Death -- > And after pondering over PGY, I'm still not seeing the connection - Perhaps > someone else does? If anyone wants me to transcribe the entire Eliot poem > and send it out to the list, I will... > > -Noelle- > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Shapiro Subject: The missing link For those of you just dying to find some connection between T.S.Elliot's use of 'the eternal footman' and Pretty Good Year, we need look no further than a book co-authored by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett: Good Omens. Unfortunately, my copy of Good Omens is stored away somewhere, but IIRC the four horsemen of the apocalypse (Famine, War, Death, and Pestilence) come back as bikers. Hence: Heard the eternal footman (Death) bought himself a bike to race >From a quick browse at amazon.com, it seems that Good Omens did originally come out in 1991, so the timeline is right. Personally, I just took it as a metaphor for something unlikely happening, i.e. hell freezing over or whatnot. Keith S. - -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- Keith D. Shapiro * Clouds descending keither@iname.com * I'm not policing what you think and dream http://take3.dreamhost.com/ * I run into your thought from across the room AOL: kdshap0 ICQ: 1978801 * just another trick can I weather this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:12:09 EST From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: Tori in Mademoiselle In the Jan.2000 issue of Mademoiselle, in the mlle.chat:REACTION section on page 19, there's a little Tori mention. It's in response the numerous (I'm assuming;only 3 responses were published) commentary on writer Nina Malkin's article "Bad-News Bands" in the November issue that critised bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit for the rapes and riots at Woodstock, Nina wrote: "The "puke rock" piece was not a music critique-if it were, it surely would have noted that Korn's Jonathan Davis is the hottest bagpipe player on the scene today. Rather, it was a commentary on a particular pop culture trend, and its effects on a portion of it's audience. The point isn't that women musicians write anti-male songs and nobody complains (indeed, plenty of people do). The point is that female fans at, say, the Tori and Alanis show did not run amok, grabbing or kicking male attendees in the crotch, or demanding displays of genitalia. The treatment of women at Woodstock proves that "puke rockers" tacitly encourage misogynist behavior. Do they promote it outright? Of course not: It would be bad business. No matter how they feel about women, they still want them to buy their records." I thought the whole bit was rather interesting, and thought some of you might be interested as well. :) Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Re: Stoned Tori? How do we know that Tori smokes? Any reference I've heard her make to pot is that she can't indulge to preserve her voice. We actually don't know what she currently does. All we know is she's taken drugs because she's said that much. I would think she would find it very unprofessional if she or anyone else were to appear on a talk show - or MORNING talk show, mind you - drunk, stoned or anything else. Just my $.02 Faery Blessings, Jenn On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Rob F. wrote: > > Well, we do know that she smokes. Personally, I've always thought she > was high during some of the live performances on the Little Earthquakes > home video. > Jennifer Roth JobDirect.com Student Representative JobDirect.com (http://www.jobdirect.com/?source=indiana2) *************************************************************************** "I just want a little patience to hold me in the dark. 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