From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #353 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- London Tree [krisis ] Re: Boys For Pele with original Talula version [=?iso-8859-1?q?Copper=20t] Re: auctioning tori cds.....ebay being BAD! ["Paul" ] Re: ebay [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: tori-courtney [HyJptrCrsh@aol.com] Realm of MP3's ["Lynne Toussaint" ] Justin Meldal-Johnson [Beth Winegarner ] ebay and trading ["Carrie B." ] Re: Realm of MP3's [SYNCJ05@aol.com] Pretty Good Year guy [VenusFruit@aol.com] Re: ebay and trading ["torture garden" ] Re: ebay ["Kristy" ] Re: ebay and trading [Nadyne Mielke ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:09:45 -0500 From: krisis Subject: London Tree I missed out on the initial planning of the tree, and personally am not capable of being a branch, just a leaf (i.e.: i want a copy but can't make them for other people). Have i (and all my tori luvin' pals) missed out on the sign-ups for the london tree, or is it still being organized? I hate when people ask redundant questions with a passion, but i really haven't got a clue as to what's going on. - -krisis fly.to/AMkitchen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:52:22 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Copper=20to=20Steel?= Subject: Re: Boys For Pele with original Talula version Hello! I am living in France at the moment, and I think I may be able to get you a copy. It may be quite expensive, though (about £15, whatever that is in dollars!). I can check if I can get it second hand if you would prefer, but, as I have said before, France music shops are very limited!! The BFP CD is a bit of a mystery to me..... Try infrared Countess Jim (formerly Little Fig Newton) - --- Boy4Pele79@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if you can still find the original > Boys For Pele CD with the > original version of Talula on it? I've been wanting > to buy another copy, but > I can only find the albums with the tornado mix on > them. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:08:11 -0000 From: "Paul" Subject: Re: auctioning tori cds.....ebay being BAD! Just to whole heartedly support what Nadyne posted earlier on the subject of buying "imports" from auction sites. Quite simply... DON'T! Far from ebay being *BAD* they're doing you all a service in the long run by clamping down on these overpriced auctions. Particularly for CD-R copies. Just think how much money people can make from a single master making copy after copy. Of course, if you want silver, pressed original CD's then maybe auction sites are the place to look as long as the prices remain competetive. But make damned sure you are getting what you think you're getting. If you just want the music there are a lots of nice people who will help you for much, much less. Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ View my Tori collection: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk/paul/ToriCD2.html Bubble Gum Trade: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk/paul/BOOTS.htm e-mail: paul@ljwren.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk ICQ: 23734436 "You can sell millions and millions of records but that does not make you a musician." ...Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Carrie B." Subject: ebay I just wanted to clear something up. I have no desire to get in a flame war with anyone, and I hope that will not be the case. Nadyne (and I'm not blaming her -- she may be legitimately confused) seems to think I am Palace Cooling on Yahoo, the person infamous for recording bad CDs and selling them for high prices. I am NOT that person. I have never even bought from that person, so do not know what that person's real name is. And quite the contrary, I have not been making "bad CDs" for people. I made a huge mistake on a CD a while back -- it was my own recording of Mansfield. It was the very FIRST CD I burned, and I was not even sure quite how to do it. I made the mistake of assuming it would sound the same as my original recording, so I mailed a huge amount of copies for people (I did not charge by the way) and they turned out not to sound very good when people got them. I spent hundreds of dollars of my own money trying to rectify this. I even sent copies to people who got my CD from another person in a trade! I sent e-mails to many people offering to re-record, many accepted. I would have done this for anyone, regardless of whether we had a falling out or not. And the offer still stands of anyone needs it. I have halted recording it on CD though for any future trades -- I will only record it on tape. Since then, I have made sure to take a great deal of time in making sure the CDs I make sound better than good. And I have gotten a lot of compliments on them. If they don't sound good, I either don't send them, or record something else for people. That is something not a lot of people will do. I am only correcting this because I am tired of people dragging my name through the mud when regardless of what those people have done to me -- I do not do the same. Until the bad recording of Mansfield, I was considered a good trader. But I made a mistake and I corrected it. I am tired of being in the same category as people who take peoples' money and never deliver, or people who are infamous for never following through with trades. I have never done either of things. Those who are saying I make bad CDs are thinking of Mansfield. As far as ebay selling, the last time I sold something on ebay was September. I don't think its right that people are being "blacklisted" for selling. Tori-boot is not the wonderful friendly place everyone seems to think of it as. Sometimes trading with people there is like pulling teeth. Granted, there are a few traders that do a lot of 2:1s, which of course is very saintly of them. But there are a lot of hypocrites, people who swear up and down that they would never sell a bootleg -- and days or months after that sentiment, there they are on ebay or Yahoo selling their boots. Instead of dragging peoples' names though the mud, people should concentrate on how they can do their part to help others who want to get Tori material. Happy holidays. Carrie E. Batcheller ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:36:26 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: ebay At 12:25 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Carrie B. wrote: >I just wanted to clear something up. I have no desire to get in a flame >war with anyone, and I hope that will not be the case. >Nadyne (and I'm not blaming her -- she may be legitimately confused) seems >to think I am Palace Cooling on Yahoo, the person infamous for recording >bad CDs and selling them for high prices. I am NOT that person. I have >never even bought from that person, so do not know what that person's real >name is. Literacy is a rather useful thing, and something I would expect someone in this day and age to have. I will quote from my original post on this subject: One extra-special warning: please watch out for the traders Carrie-Ellen Batchelder ("Gary's Girl" on the Dent forums) and MikeCTW ("palacecooling" on Yahoo! auctions). Both of them have been removed from the Tori-boot mailing list for ripping people off. MikeCTW tells us that he sells bootlegs to pay his rent. Carrie-Ellen produces CD recordings of extremely bad quality. You'll note that I say that you and Mike are different people. You do share questionable ethics with him, but there was -no- confusion on my part that you and he are different people. [snip] >Since then, I have made sure to take a great deal of time in making sure >the CDs I make sound better than good. And I have gotten a lot of >compliments on them. If they don't sound good, I either don't send them, >or record something else for people. That is something not a lot of >people will do. It is generally accepted on Tori-boot that your recordings are of at best questionable quality. Your opinions on how good they sound are not, IMHO, terribly valid. A quick search on the dates of shows you've recorded shows - -many- people saying "I want this show, but not from Carrie-Ellen's source", usually with the caveat that they already have it and the quality is not what they expect. >I am only correcting this because I am tired of people dragging my name >through the mud when regardless of what those people have done to me -- I >do not do the same. Until the bad recording of Mansfield, I was >considered a good trader. But I made a mistake and I corrected it. I am >tired of being in the same category as people who take peoples' money and >never deliver, or people who are infamous for never following through with >trades. I have never done either of things. Those who are saying I make >bad CDs are thinking of Mansfield. No, you're being put in the same category as people who sell bootlegs on eBay. You're being put in the same category as people who use Tori's work for their own personal profit. If you have an issue with that, perhaps you shouldn't sell bootlegs. :) [snip] >Instead of dragging peoples' names though the mud, people should >concentrate on how they can do their part to help others who want to get >Tori material. *laugh!* Given the number of newbie trades I do, somehow I think your criticism is misdirected. Oh irony, thy name is Carrie-Ellen. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:00:19 EST From: HyJptrCrsh@aol.com Subject: Re: tori-courtney i dont know if this is much insight, but i though i'd share. I was reading someones meet and greet experience, or some other tori meeting experience. and they said tori was wearing a shirt that said "Free Francis Bean" but if i can't even recall the source, how reliable am i? chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:26:08 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint" Subject: Realm of MP3's Does anyone have the current address for Realm of MP3's? Or any other good MP3 sites for Tori and maybe, if possible, Fiona Apple? peace out with faerie hugs christina "you fondle my trigger then you blame my gun" fiona apple "no thing I do don't do no thing but bring me more to do it's true i do imbue my blue unto myself i make it bitter" fiona apple "you can dangle your carrot but i ain't gonna reach for it cause i need both my hands to play my guitar" ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:29:35 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Justin Meldal-Johnson Andrew asked: > I was looking through the liner notes of From The Choirgirl Hotel and was > reading the part where they list who played what on each song and was so > surprised that Jon Evans wasn't the one who did the bass, instead it was a > guy named Justin Medal-Johnson (i think that's how you spell it). I don't > know why I haven't noticed this before. I know he did bass on Venus and > stuff and I thought he toured on the plugged tour ( he did didn't he). I was > very curious as to why he didn't do bass on the actual album. What does > everyone think? Justin is a regular bassist for Beck who came into the studio to work with Tori on Choirgirl. He couldn't tour with her because he had to go back and work with Beck -- I forget if it was a tour, or it was possibly sessions for "Midnite Vultures," which just came out -- or maybe both. Since he couldn't come out, they brought Jon in to play for the shows, and he ended up being (so far) a permanent feature in Tori's band. But bear in mind that Jon, Matt and Caton ALL have their own bands, and Matt also does session work for other artists (Fiona Apple, Chantal Kreviazuk, etc). So any one could end up being temporary, depending on situations. Beth - -- "If dreams are like movies, then memories are films about ghosts." (Counting Crows) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ Visit my web site at http://echoes.devin.com -- see photos and artwork, read poetry and stories, learn about selkies and Sonoma County. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Carrie B." Subject: ebay and trading Again, I did not want to start a flame war. I haven't been reading the posts (its better for my health), but it looks like that's what got started. This was not my intention. The three people who are the monst vocal about me have NEVER received CDRs from me, so cannot tell you about the quality of my CDRs. They have never even received Mansfield. Nadyne and I always traded tapes, and until the Mansfield ordeal she and I traded fairly often. If you are going to tell people my CDRs are bad quality, you should speak from experience. I gave people ample opportunity to accept my offer to re-record Mansfield, and people who chose not to take me up on it cannot blame me for a bad quality CD. For years I have been the kind of person who cares about the quality of stuff I send people -- and I still do. People make mistakes with recording once and a while, no one is not guilty of that. But I know very few people who have tried to correct that mistake. I did, and no one appreciated that. That is not my problem. A few people are sore with me because when they offered to record Mansfield for me and distribute it to people who wanted it, I didn't take them up on that offer. Of course I wish I had now, but its way too late. I am kind of stubborn when it comes to things like that, I figured I could do it myself but I couldn't. But just as I was selfish not to do that, the people who are sore at me for that are just as selfish. I am always more than willing to trade, and am more than willing to re-record when I have made a mistake or record something else in place of it. The most I charge for copies outside of auction is $10 now, which covers the cost of 2 CDRs, postage, and contributes to the cost of printing inserts on photo paper. I have gone through 2 cartridges in three weeks, and they are not cheap and I am not rich. Sometimes I do take a little while to send tapes/CDs, but that's because I can only burn CDs at work. I am a web developer with 400 clients. But I am always very responsive to e-mail. I have blocked some people from my e-mail account because they only want to flame, but the rest should have no problem getting through to me. If you ever want to trade, or talk about a past deal you were not happy with, please send e-mail to this account or my alternate account (donnasbox@hotmail.com) with the word "TRADE" in the subject line. I have not been a UNH student for over a year now and do not know when this account will be expired, so the hotmail one is your best bet. I was going to close that one due to all the flames, but I don't get much mail to that account anymore, so will be keeping it for trading. If you have any questions, worried about a trade, etc. The best authority on me is ME. If you ask, I will answer. I'm tired of seeing the same people put me down when they have never recieved my CDs. its the same people who respond every time. You can say I got "kicked off" of Tori-boot for selling, but if that were the case, about 50% of the people on the list would be off. I really got kicked off because of messages like this. People were tired of seeing me defend myself. I guess that's too bad. Carrie Batcheller ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:17:02 EST From: SYNCJ05@aol.com Subject: Re: Realm of MP3's i dont know if you've heard of this site or not but it is called Shock Me Sane the link is: http://fly.to/toriamos i dont download MP3's so i dont know if the downloads on this site are considered "good" or not compared to others! Sorry :( But this site looked pretty good to me! Hope this helps!!! Megan SYNCJ05@aol.com *So sure we were on something your feet are just on the ground, girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:50:18 EST From: VenusFruit@aol.com Subject: Pretty Good Year guy Hi, I have a question. Does anyone know who that guy is that Tori is in bed with in her video pretty good year? He looks familiar and I can't place him! thanks, amanda VENUS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:47:38 +1100 From: "torture garden" Subject: Re: ebay and trading > You can say I got "kicked off" of > Tori-boot for selling, but if that were the case, about 50% of the > people on the list would be off. I really got kicked off because > of messages like this. AFAIK, Carrie was removed from the tor-boot list for selling boots ON EBAY - quite a distinct difference... I think tori got it right when she said "a lot of people see themselves as victims, even when you have to stand in line for ice cream"... torture garden Get your Free E-mail at http://thevampskiss.zzn.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:11:21 -0800 From: "bachelorette" Subject: Re: Realm of MP3's www.toriphile.com Well I see you there with the rose in your teeth One more thin gypsy thief Well I see Jane's awake -- http://sapphirebelle.com/sarah/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne Toussaint To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: Realm of MP3's > > Does anyone have the current address for Realm of MP3's? Or any other good > MP3 sites for Tori and maybe, if possible, Fiona Apple? > > peace out with faerie hugs > christina > "you fondle my trigger then you blame my gun" fiona apple > "no thing I do don't do no thing but bring me more to do it's true i do > imbue my blue > unto myself i make it bitter" fiona apple > "you can dangle your carrot but i ain't gonna reach for it cause i > need both my hands to play my guitar" ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:19:55 -0500 From: "Kristy" Subject: Re: ebay Carrie B. wrote.... >And quite the contrary, I have not been making >"bad CDs" for people. Really? The Buffalo 9/3/99 boot I got from you is absolutely unlistenable. You said it was an "excellent" recording, but it's *quite the contrary*. It has an _awful_ buzz-type thing...I can't even describe it, throughout the whole CD. I listened to it once, and haven't since...it's absolutely terrible! I actually had a very bad headache after listening to it. On the other hand, the 1999 radio broadcasts cdr i received from carrie is excellent quality. *so*, i'm not quite sure what the deal with this is. but i do know that carrie said buffalo was of "excellent" quality, and it most definitely wasn't. it's the worst i've *ever* heard!!! Love and Sparkles, Kristy (\o/) "They're not Ears With Feet, they're Assholes With Tickets." ~~*the lovely Amy Webb, aka WyrdWoman §Visit my Tori Amos website, at http://fly.to/behindmyeyes§ *My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/tori_choirgirl "rolling and unrolling coiling emerging running free running through the underworld into your room..." ~*Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:13:37 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: ebay and trading At 05:21 PM 11/28/99 -0500, Carrie B. wrote: [snip] >The three people who are the monst vocal about me have NEVER received CDRs >from me, so cannot tell you about the quality of my CDRs. They have never >even received Mansfield. While I didn't receive it directly from you, I do have a CD-R copy of it from your source. CD-Rs are perfect clones, so it doesn't matter whether I got it from you or not. I am perfectly qualified to offer an opinion on the quality of this show. >Nadyne and I always traded tapes, and until the >Mansfield ordeal she and I traded fairly often. This is a definition of "traded fairly often" that I wasn't previously aware of. I traded with you once during the DDI tour. In that trade, you sent me Type I tapes (a big ole no-no in the world of trading). In addition, you told me that the tapes I sent you were lost in the mail, and I sent you another set -- even though several of the tapes that I sent you had already appeared on your bootlist. I traded with you again earlier this year, when you were hiding behind an anonymous Hotmail address and I didn't know who you were. That trade, at least, went off without a hitch. >If you are going to tell >people my CDRs are bad quality, you should speak from experience. I do. :) [snip] >People make mistakes with >recording once and a while, no one is not guilty of that. But I know very >few people who have tried to correct that mistake. I did, and no one >appreciated that. That is not my problem. Oh, yes, people make mistakes with recording. No one's arguing that. What - -is- being argued is: 1) Selling bootlegs on online auction sites for personal profit. 2) Lying about the quality of said bootlegs. If you record a show and the quality sucks, you shouldn't circulate it (unless yours is the only copy available, which (thankfully) yours ain't). [snip] >I am always more than willing to trade, and am more than willing to >re-record when I have made a mistake or record something else in place of >it. The most I charge for copies outside of auction is $10 now, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Note the use of "outside of auction". This is an admission of still auctioning off bootlegs. [snip] >If you have any questions, worried about a trade, etc. The best authority >on me is ME. If you ask, I will answer. I'm tired of seeing the same >people put me down when they have never recieved my CDs. its the same >people who respond every time. You can say I got "kicked off" of >Tori-boot for selling, but if that were the case, about 50% of the people >on the list would be off. I really got kicked off because of messages >like this. People were tired of seeing me defend myself. I guess that's >too bad. You go right on believing that one, dearie. We all need our delusions. You were removed from the list for auctioning off bootlegs on eBay, after repeatedly saying that you'd never do it again. You were removed for auctioning off bootlegs that you didn't even record. You are an unethical trader, Carrie-Ellen. You can try to convince yourself that you're doing nothing wrong, but you're using the work of Tori in concert and the folks who actually know how to record a show well to line your own pockets. /nad ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #353 *************************************