From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #341 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 341 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tori hosting 120 minutes sunday! [FireflyLG@aol.com] Re: Sky-ence [Spiritcc33@aol.com] Re: 80's request [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: 80's request [Erinita@aol.com] Fwd: Tori Amos Quote of the Day! ["The Great Goddess Jolie" ] Sessions and other scans [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Sky-ence [=?iso-8859-1?q?Little=20Fig=20Newton?= ] Re: Jupier thoughts.... ["Erin Martin" ] Re: tori hosting 120 minutes sunday! [SYNCJ05@aol.com] Bliss/Oceans Maxis... [Giovanni Mantilla ] TVAB import ["Erin Martin" ] OAC: Tori/Fiona review ["mr zebra" ] Re: TVAB import [Nadyne Mielke ] Fwd: Re: Tori on 120 Minutes [Michael Curry ] Purple People interpretations [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Various bits. [Sara Bauer ] Ramblings [FireflyLG@aol.com] Re: tori tv: 120 minutes/daily show/in the mix [Fuzzbox ] Re: Various bits. (Flying Dutchman) [Mermann658@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:45:33 EST From: FireflyLG@aol.com Subject: Re: tori hosting 120 minutes sunday! Can someone tell me about 120 minutes? It's on MTV right? What time is it on? I'm so confused about this! Thank you so much! Lov, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 06:40:35 EST From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Sky-ence I know that is not how she thought of it... Im just saying specifically...it was that way for me given my situation toodles! bliss! *^*Cornflakegirl*^* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:04:19 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: 80's request At 11:15 AM 11/13/99 -0600, Daisy Dead Petals wrote: >I missed the boat on the Gloy of the 80's single. Anybody got an extra? I >can trade or send $$$. PLEASE let me know if you are ready willing and able >to negotiate!!! :) The 80s single is available online at for $10ish. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:03:57 EST From: Erinita@aol.com Subject: Re: 80's request Does anyone know where online I can view a picture of the Glory of the 80's single? I have yet to come across it in the music stores & at this point I doubt that I will. Any help with the cover would be appreciated. Just Another Fix, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:34:08 GMT From: "The Great Goddess Jolie" Subject: Fwd: Tori Amos Quote of the Day! hey all, this quote came to me from tori quote of the day. though i'd share it. and there's links on the bottom to cool stuff!!! jolie > >"That's what the song Riot Poof is about. It's like I'm the tooth fairy, >the >homo fairy and this is my present to all the homophobes. I'm leaving it >under all their pillows....blossom riot poof." >-Tori Amos >-Lifestyle Magazine > >-To subscribe or unsubscribe from the Tori Amos Quote of the Day, write to >toriquote-request@cichlid.usinteractive.com with the word subscribe or >unsubscribe in the body of the message > >-Visit the Tori Sites of the Week index: http://come.to/elizabeth_perry > >-Visit the Tori Quote Index: http://come.to/toriquotes > *** > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:37:28 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Sessions and other scans At 05:25 PM 11/13/99 -0500, Jennifer Lynn Roth wrote: > >Can someone direct me to a site where I can find a scan for Sessions at >West 54th and other Tori scans? Some instructions on how to size them to >fit the CD case would be very helpful and truly appreciated. Thanks! Sessions caseliners are available at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7536/sessions.html /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Sessions and other scans Can someone direct me to a site where I can find a scan for Sessions at West 54th and other Tori scans? Some instructions on how to size them to fit the CD case would be very helpful and truly appreciated. Thanks! Faery Blessings, Jenn Jennifer Roth JobDirect.com Student Representative JobDirect.com (http://www.jobdirect.com/?source=indiana2) *************************************************************************** "I'm a musician first, a food lover second, a dirty mouth with feet, and a girl last time I checked" - Tori Amos *************************************************************************** Find out for yourself why fellow college students ranked JOBDIRECT.COM as the #1 job matching site on the Internet! http://www.jobdirect.com/?source=indiana2 *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Little=20Fig=20Newton?= Subject: Sky-ence Yes, Hey Jupiter is a wonderful song but I'd never quite thought of it that way....I'd always thought it was because she felt so far away from what she thought was safe... and certain. Perhaps this has been repeated in the TVAB theme. In my opinion, TVAB also has an essence of science in it, but then again, you can see it also in BFP (The Doughnut Song). Does anyone know if Tori was ever interested in Science? Studying chemistry myself, I'd really like to know! Try Infra Red It will all find it's way in time Cheers Stay Funky Laura XXX ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:59:26 -0500 From: "Erin Martin" Subject: Re: Jupier thoughts.... Hullo!! Hey Jupiter is one of my absolute favorites...I still remember the first time I heard her play it on SNL. >Awhile back, Tori mentioned that one of her inspirations for the song was a >dream she had in which Jupiter and Saturn(? I believe it was the moon. I'm not sure where I read that... To me, this song is about being truly hurt after a lifetime of trivial disappointments. Nothing meant anything (it was as simple as a shower or a bath) before, and now she's faced with this apocalypse. She used this person to hide in (Like Toni Morrison said in _the Bluest Eye_, "love is the best hiding place.") and now he's gone, and she's exposed (lifting up her dress). Before, she even liked the things that happened (this little masochist) because they didn't really hurt, but now the pain is just pain (all the things that I never thought that she could feel). She's not such an amateur anymore, but she's scarred (if my heart's soaking wet, boy your boots can leave a mess). My boyfriend and I developed a theory on the relationship between the moon and Jupiter. I asked if they were in love, and he explained that it would never work out because Jupiter's pull is so great. That could have figured in somewhere...our theory (mostly mine, but he indulges me) gets really weird when we talk about the love triangle with the ocean,but you all don't want to hear that any more than I want to be committed for saying that, so I won't. Speaking of Toni Morrison: is Tori a fan? It seems that she would be...I watched something w/ Toni Morrison on it in a class yesterday (that's why she's on the brain) and I was struck at how similar she and Tori are. The way they speak is so alike; it's beautiful. One other question: does it bother anybody else that Mariah Carey has songs entitled "Bliss," "Honey," and "Butterfly?" I know I'm vexed by that...if she does one called "She's Your Cocaine" or something, we'll know what's up. :) Thanks for reading! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:28:51 EST From: SYNCJ05@aol.com Subject: Re: tori hosting 120 minutes sunday! does anyone know what time 120 minutes starts? is it on tonight? thanks!! Megan SYNCJ05@aol.com *So sure we were on something your feet are just on the ground, girl* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 15:15:11 -0500 From: Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Bliss/Oceans Maxis... Hi all, I just wanted to post this because I just got my order from CDNOW that includes the Bliss and 1,000 Oceans Maxis (and choirgirl on vinyl) after a month and a week of waiting. I'm very happy with both. The live versions of Jupiter, Upside Down, Baker Baker and Winter are all absolutely gorgeous, and Tori's comments on both discs are very funny. Beautiful. I just have to make one comment about the enhanced portion of the Oceans maxi. I'm glad Atlantic were nice (which sounds weird because we're paying them money) to us and gave us the videos on the CD, but I'm *very* pissed because everytime I want to play the damn thing I have to go online. I tried downloading an updated version of the HyperCD thing but nothing worked. Does anyone know how to get the videos to work without connecting to the internet? My phone bill could really use it. Now on to the videos. Both are good. I agree with whoever it was that said the Bliss video focuses mainly on the more particular people, so to speak. I've never been to a Tori show and I actually have not met an american/english Tori fan in person, ever, but my intuition tells me that not everybody is tattooed, pierced and has that particular look. It just worries me that non-tori fans, upon watching the video, will come to the conclusion that Tori fans are all freaks. I love the Bliss video because of the Tori/band footage, but I could really live without the crying and all that stuff, which is something that I consider very very personal and a very in-the-moment thing that just cannot be taken out of context. And given that the video lasts only about 4 minutes... the portrait is not comforting. I know people cry when they go to a Tori show, I would cry (a thousand oceans, LOL) too but hmmm, somehow on the video it just comes out as scary. I dunno. Does anyone agree, disagree? The Oceans video is pretty... very strange, though. Does anyone have any interpretation of it? I would like to hear it. I'm very happy with these two singles, except for the internet thing. Can't wait to get my Glory Of The 80s CDs, which, mispressed or not, should be interesting. I ordered both, so hopefully at least one of them will include Famous Blue Raincoat and Twinkle, which are the only two non-lp live tracks that I haven't listened to. Life is good fellas. Love and Tori, Giovanni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:34:09 -0500 From: "Erin Martin" Subject: TVAB import Hi! I know that there's a British edition of TVAB, but I didn't know if it were any different. I was looking on amazon.com for the sheet music for the album and saw this link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001YVDY/o/qid=942600736/sr=8-2/102 - -0315870-5232857 Is this authentic? Is it just a standard UK edition? If so, why does it cost $141.97? Are there extra tracks or anything? I'm confused!! I didn't know there was any other cover art either. Anywhere, help that can be provided will be much appreciated. Thank you! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 08:55:45 -0600 From: "mr zebra" Subject: OAC: Tori/Fiona review from Village Voice, November 10-16, 1999 ONLINE WITH THE DIVINE BY BARRY WALTERS "The world is a piece of shit." That observation, courtesy of Fiona Apple on the occasion of her first MTV Award, suggests how Apple and Tori Amos, the moment's prime purveyors of particularly female pop aesthetics, inspire fits of both devotion and derision. It's the Extreme Metaphor, a trope as excessive as an Eddie Van Halen guitar solo or a Puff Daddy sample, and it's a key ingredient of their clit-pop, the female singer-songwriter precursor to cock-rock's second cumming circa Woodstock '99. After years of multiclimactic success, the clit-pop boom is now fucked/over, with recent releases from Alanis Morissette, Paula Cole, Meredith Brooks, Indigo Girls, and maybe even Amos herself sinking under the current teen-pop and metal-rap waves. Only Jewel and Sarah McLachlan, the most femme of the platinum females, have survived the year without surrendering significant chunks of their mainstream followings. When women-in-rock shifted from movement to trend, the backlash was bound to happen, and maybe it's necessary for the survival of the species. Would second-stringers Cole and Brooks have scored iconic hits in any other era than Lilith's girls-with- guitars-are-good epoch? As evidenced by the latest from Amos and Apple, post-Lilith clit-pop is shifting focus from the shopping center of daily life back to the bedroom of dreams. These albums favor passion, art, and cult followings, and leave mainstream sales pitches to the salesmen. Amos's To Venus and Back was originally planned as a double-live package, then reconceived as half B-sides, and ultimately transformed into a new album with a second disc of concert obscurities and radically revised favorites, most of the latter from '94's Under the Pink. The title of Apple's album-a poem sometimes recited by the singer in concert-says it all and then some: When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King What He Knows Throws the Blows When He Goes to the Fight and He'll Win the Whole Thing 'Fore He Enters the Ring There's No Body to Batter When Your Mind Is Your Might So When You Go Solo, You Hold Your Own Hand and Remember That Depth Is the Greatest of Heights and If You Know Where You Stand, Then You Know Where to Land and If You Fall It Won't Matter, Cuz You'll Know That You're Right. See what I mean about the Extreme Metaphor thing? When you hold your own hand, you tend to lose your grip on reality. Yet Amos and Apple suggest the letting-go process allows you to get in touch with your soul. Or something like that. It's often tough to grasp what these musical mystics mean, and the ambiguity is both blessing and curse. Unlike Patti Smith, whose classic tunes command a directness her lyrics avoid, Amos and Apple are composers first and rockers second. They don't always speak in hooks and punch lines, although Apple's latest packs plenty of both, and Amos has certainly written her share, as that crowd-pleasing "Precious Things" line-"Just because you can make me cum doesn't make you Jesus"-reminds us within the live disc's first few minutes. Yet few chart acts of any gender or genre communicate as deeply through their instruments and voices as this pair, whose desire-drenched pianos and pipes seem online with the divine. To Venus and Back is Amos at her most demanding, and not just because of its 123-minute playing time. The studio disc presents little of the symphonic filigree that sweetened her previous four albums, and the mostly plugged live set is similarly trebly, even harsh. Trip-hop's growing influence bends the music toward furry, gnarly textures, not laid-back grooves, while the tunes are slight by Amos standards. That combo bespeaks the new material's original B-side mindset. "Lust" is a simple piano ballad gone curvy from copious echo effects. "Glory of the '80s" could've been a straightforward rocker, but its gurgling arrangement nearly swallows her vocal. The two-part "Datura" begins with a list of plants Amos grows in her garden recited over a lumbering, tricky time signature, then shifts into a looping shuffle while she chants "dividing Canaan" for reasons that remain mysterious. The only cut with a coherent lyric, "1000 Oceans," evokes every McLachlan weeper and would be sappy if it wasn't for the real disappointments of Amos's career: This is a woman whom radio avoids, yet she fills arenas. When she creates something radio-friendly, it seems more fluke than calculation. And radio still ignores her. Whereas Venus serves as an obscurely lovey-dovey tribute to Amos's new marriage, When the Pawn . . . comes across as candid documentation of Apple's apparently troubled relationship with Boogie Nights director Paul Thomas Anderson, who also shot the album's first video, "Fast as You Can." Apple reveals severe emotional messiness, yet remains self-aware and perhaps self-defeatingly articulate about her insecurities and shortcomings, which is very New York of her. You can hear the years spent growing up on the Upper West Side, a child of performer parents, melodrama in her blood. Apple's arty predisposition and prodigious gifts allow this 22-year-old to wax poetic and make it rock because her delivery is so dexterous and forceful. "Please forgive me for my distance/The pain is evident in my existence," she pleads memorably on "To Your Love," adding an additional "distance/resistance" rhyme for good measure. Matching the fluid phrasing of classic jazz crooners and poets to today's jarring confessions, her dusky alto spews venom as if it was cinnamon honey flowing from her pretty mouth. Apple offers 57 reasons why she can't be trusted, tells her beloved to "fuckin' go" nearly as often, and fights with an intensity that conceals wounded love beneath the spiteful barbs. She's a brainy femme fatale straight out of codependent hell. Such megamoodiness would be unbearable without a sense of the absurd. So be thankful collaborator Jon Brion produces and orchestrates When the Pawn . . . with a retrofuturist wit that tickles the singer's urbane candor. Brion-responsible for much of the instrumental character of debuts by Rufus Wainwright and Macy Gray as well as Apple-references dry Beatle sonics while summoning electronica's otherworldliness and hip-hop's street savvy. With its verse, chorus, and bridge sporting unrelated rhythms, "Fast as You Can" rivals recent Destiny's Child and Jordan Knight hits for disjointed weirdness. Here and elsewhere, Apple approaches Amos levels of keyboard mischief, and her self-deprecation is as sharp as her amorous attack. "I know I'm a mess he don't wanna clean up," she bebops with newly improved intonation on "Paper Bag." The whimsy peaks on "A Mistake," where our heroine escapes the weight of mature expectations with intentional errors. "If you wanna make sense, whatcha looking at me for?" she queries. "I'm no good at math." Doh! It isn't fair to compare Apple's benchmark with Amos's stopgap. When the Pawn . . . capitalizes on its uneven predecessor's strengths, whereas To Venus and Back summarizes the past while adding a tossed-off present. Amos's reliably wayward discs always get better with age, whereas Apple is still refining herself, her album instantly engaging. Both clit-poppers inhabit islands of mindful, willful adulthood in a fake adolescent sea. Those shallow waters are OK to visit, but here is where I'd rather live, cuz sometimes the world is a piece of shit. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:55:30 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: TVAB import At 12:34 PM 11/14/99 -0500, Erin Martin wrote: > >Hi! I know that there's a British edition of TVAB, but I didn't know if it >were any different. I was looking on amazon.com for the sheet music for the >album and saw this link: > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001YVDY/o/qid=942600736/sr=8-2/102 >-0315870-5232857 > >Is this authentic? Is it just a standard UK edition? If so, why does it cost >$141.97? Are there extra tracks or anything? I'm confused!! I didn't know >there was any other cover art either. Anywhere, help that can be provided >will be much appreciated. Thank you! This is a repackaging of TVaB by an outside company. It's in a wooden box, with a laser-etched portrait of Tori on the top. Inside are both discs of TVaB and the liners. Supposedly, only 250 were made. I dunno if there are any pictures available online, but I can take a picture of the one I got for anyone who's interested. (Please note that this will -not- be happening until after 15 December! I'm swamped!) As a side note, it's likely not worthwhile to order it from Amazon. I ordered one from them and one from EQS Music the same day. My EQS one has been in my hands for 3 weeks, Amazon still says it's backordered. If there were only 250 made, I doubt that they would make it into the hands of Amazon. HTH. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:39:29 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Fwd: Re: Tori on 120 Minutes Given the questions about 120 Minutes I thought this might be worth forwarding.... >From: Richard Handal >Subject: Re: Tori on 120 Minutes >To: torinews@smoe.org (ToriNews) >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:59:27 -0500 (EST) > >Dana quoted, then responded to me: > >> Richard wrote: >> >> Showtime, as always, is 1 am Sunday night/Monday morning >> >> >Actually, the usual time for 120 Minutes is midnight Sunday night, so >> >be sure to make note of this *special* program time. >> >> This is what my boss just sent me, so i'd tune in at midnight anyway. > >My guess is that your boss (or your boss's source of information) is >operating under the assumption that the usual time for 120 Minutes is >in effect for this week. I checked the MTV schedule on their web site >before my prior post, but in trying not to take up more space here than >necessary, didn't mention it. Here's the URL: > >http://mtv.com/mtv/tubescan/schedule/ > >They are still saying that at 11pm eastern time they will be starting >to show two back-to-back episodes of the 60 minute program Loveline. If >true, that indeed will bring us to 1am before 120 Minutes begins. > >Only time will tell, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and all >that rot, but I still say for those who may need to get to sleep or >might otherwise be out for the evening: Set your VCRs to tape from >12:58am Monday morning (Sunday night), and set the timer to go at least >until 3:05am., with a full, two-hour tape in there set at the SP speed. > >MTV's been being better about not starting shows early the way they >often used to (sometimes two or MORE minutes early!), and the two-hour >tapes actually have about another three minutes on them over the two >hours, so you should be covered for the entire show. At worst, your >tape might cut out toward the end of the closing credits--and I find >that to be far less objectionable than missing the opening moments. All >this, of course, being entirely dependent upon the accuracy of the >setting of your VCR's clock. > >Good luck everyone! :-) > >Be seeing you, > >Richard Handal, H.G. >____________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from ToriNews, e-mail torinews-request@smoe.org with the >word "unsubscribe" in the message body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Purple People interpretations When Purple People was first released, I don't remember what some of the interpretations were being batted back and forth on the list. If any of you guys have a good one, please send. Thanks a mill, jen ===== Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:32:16 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jupier thoughts.... ""Awhile back, Tori mentioned that one of her inspirations for the song was a dream she had in which Jupiter and Saturn(?"" ""I believe it was the moon. I'm not sure where I read that..."" i believe it was jupiter and venus??? jupiter, is he the god of war or is that mars? jupiter also can be translated as "boy" and venus is associated with women.... the song is about a relationship that seems cosmic-size.... but its just one man and one woman.... i am loving everyone views on this..please continue...... someone please expand on the mythology of this.... rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:31:46 -0800 From: "a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. " Subject: 120 minutes... okay. heres the deal. i dont have cable so my friend tapes all the cool music stuff for me and sends it to me. he just emailed this to me: >I looked at TV Guide today, and there's no listing for 120 Min. being >shown tomorrow. There's an extreme sports/music special from 11:30 AM >to 6:00 PM, so maybe that pre-empted it??? so. what time is it on and is it even on?? be well. amanda - --- "I could never pay you in fruit, land, money, or blowjobs what your worth as a human being is." :amos: "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." +hemingway+ :.*rolling*and*.unrolling.*coiling*:emerging:*running*+free+*.: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:37:19 -0500 From: rebel without a clause Subject: tori tv: 120 minutes/daily show/in the mix following up on richard's post about when 120 minutes is on, i checked five sources of tv listings: the tv guide on my coffee table, the tv guide on the web, clicktv.com, tv.yahoo.com and mtv's own listings. all agree that 120 minutes will air tonight (sunday night/monday morning). three (clicktv, yahoo and mtv) say 1am. two (print and web tv guide) say 12am (i.e., midnight). that's 3-to-1 in my book, so i'll bank on 1am. however, i'll probably stay up till midnight just to make sure...and i recommend that if you can, hopeful tapers should do the same. in other tv tidbits, clicktv.com indicates that tori's appearance on comedy central's daily show will be on tuesday, the 16th. this isn't a confirmation, so keep checking the daily show web site and check other listings until this is a sure thing. as richard points out, in addition to the initial airing at 11pm, the daily show is repeated several times over the next day. at the risk of being redundant, the times for the repeats are: * late night tuesday, nov 16 1:30am * wednesday, nov 17 9:00am * wednesday, nov 17 12:00pm * wednesday, nov 17 7:00pm finally, for those of you in the new york city area, clicktv.com also indicates that the episode of "in the mix" which features an interview with tori will be shown on the public tv station wnet (aka "thirteen") at 11:30am on sunday, november 21st. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:53:55 -0500 From: rebel without a clause Subject: Re: 80's request when we last left our heroes, Nadyne Mielke exclaimed: >At 11:15 AM 11/13/99 -0600, Daisy Dead Petals wrote: >>I missed the boat on the Gloy of the 80's single. Anybody got an extra? I >>can trade or send $$$. PLEASE let me know if you are ready willing and able >>to negotiate!!! :) > >The 80s single is available online at for $10ish. just to be clear, the "glory of the 80s" single available on cdnow is the australian single. while not *practically* different from part 1 of the european single (they both contain the same b-sides: live performances of "famous blue raincoat" and "twinkle"), they are, from a collector's standpoint, not the same. furthermore, at least some of the australian singles were mispressed with the music from an album by everything but the girl. (nevermind the problems with part 2 of the european single!) the whole fiasco, in confusing detail, is documented on the dent at . because of all these problems, my advice would be to buy these singles only from real-life stores which allow you to listen before you buy so you confirm that you are getting what you think you are getting. if you must buy from an on-line store, only do so from some place which will actually check to see that the cd's they are sending you are the ones they are advertising. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:30:40 -0600 From: Sara Bauer Subject: Various bits. Hey kids! So I got my copy of Even More Pink in the mail this Friday (Thanks Nadyne!) and I love it. I have a couple of questions, though. What exactly is a Flying Dutchman? I mean, where did Tori get the title for the song? In an early (I think second or third season) Simpsons episode, Homer and Marge go to an All-You-Can-Eat restaurant called the Frying Dutchman. Homer then tries to sue because they run out of food before he's full. It's pretty funny. But anyway, I know the writers, savvy though they may be, didn't name the restaruant after a Tori b-side. About .5% of the population would think it was funny. So what is a Flying Dutchman? It boggles my mind. Pretty song, though, I like it. I know I've listened to Upside Down about 100 times before, and I'm sure this has been mentioned, but was Tori a breach birth? It only makes sense; "Still coming out of my mother, upside down...." Of course, it's Tori, and she didn't necessarily have to be a breach birth in order to sing about them, but... well, you know. Was she? And this Strange Fruit business. I'd never heard this song before, and it absolutely gives me chills. The first time it came on, I was curled up on my bed in an empty house that had gotten dark during the course of the album. It was eerie. I thought it would wear off, but it hasn't really. When I hear, even in my mind's ear, "the bulging eyes, the twisted mouth," I get an all-too-vivid mental image. I mean, really vivid. I love the song, but I'm worried that I'm a total wimp because it scares me so much. Hehe. Does anyone else have this reaction? I'm dead serious when I say it scares me, in terms of after-effect, almost as much as the Blair Witch Project. I think I'm going to take it into my poetry class next week, though. I know my teacher will like it. Yeah, well, anyhoo. I'm supposed to be writing a college application essay. Fun. Love, Sara xoxoxo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:17:13 EST From: FireflyLG@aol.com Subject: Ramblings Is Tori really gonna be on the Daily Show?! I read this on the Dent, and kinda freaked! I'd love to see her on the Daily Show, 'cos that's MY show! Well, that and the X-Files LOL! I love the Daily Show, and IMO, Jon Stewart does really nice interviews, and he's generally very respectful, and even (yes, I know it's hard to believe, especially on Comedy Central) thoughtful. SO, ANYHOO I'm very 'cited, and if anyone could confirm/deny this I'd appreciate it, 'cos I missed Thursdays show when he announces the guests for the next week. On another note, I just got some new boots (Under the Covers, Rarities from the Plugged Tour, Storytellers, and Sessions from 54 or whatever... I'm too lazy to get up and find the boots, so these are only approximate titles) and I finally heard a few of the bee sides! I'm a new fan, so I hadn't ever heard anything other than "Siren" and the album songs, so this was very exciting! I am SOOOOOOOO in love with "Upside Down". That song is so incredible! I love it so much! And "Thoughts"! Oh my Goddess, this these songs are so fantastic! I am also in love with Storytellers... She is so cute! I loved it when she was talking about Beenie. Well, gotta go. Lov ya all! Liz I'm okay when everything is not okay ~Tori Amos Upside Down ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:26:55 -0500 From: Fuzzbox Subject: Re: tori tv: 120 minutes/daily show/in the mix rebel without a clause wrote: > following up on richard's post about when 120 minutes is on, i checked five > sources of tv listings: the tv guide on my coffee table, the tv guide on > the web, clicktv.com, tv.yahoo.com and mtv's own listings. all agree that > 120 minutes will air tonight (sunday night/monday morning). three (clicktv, > yahoo and mtv) say 1am. so here we go again. This time I'm CONVINCED that MTV has something personal against Tori. As far as I remember, 120 minutes has been shown at midnight Sunday nights for something like the last 12 years. It's probably the only MTV show that's been running for that long, and ALWAYS had the EXACT same time slot. I remember back in high school (mid 80s for me) staying up till midnight sundays to watch it...Even MTVs site says that LAST WEEKS episode was on at midnight! but now, for some reason, this week, coincidentally the one with Tori, is shown an hour later? for what? not for some news special or somthing like that, but another episode of LoveLine??? Add this to the fact that the TRL with Tori was the only one THAT MONTH that wasn't rerun. and the lack of reshowings of every Tori-related MTV show, that to me means that someone at MTV has it in for Tori. Why? I wanna know!!! - -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "The one that you love and the one that loves you are never ever the same person." -Chuck Palahnuik, _Invisible_Monsters_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:50:18 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint" Subject: Re: 120 minutes... If it IS going to be on, would anyone perchance have the number assigned to the show? That's the only way I know how to record on my VCR...It's all fancy and everything, so all you have to do is enter the show's number and it will record, but I have no access to that number...so.... i NEED Tori... :} peace out with faerie hugs christina "you fondle my trigger then you blame my gun" fiona apple "if you're getting any bright ideas quiet dear i'm blooming within" fiona apple "now i belong i'm one of the chosen ones now i belong i'm one of the beautiful ones" trent reznor - ----- Original Message ----- From: a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: 120 minutes... > > okay. heres the deal. i dont have cable so my friend tapes all the cool music stuff for me and sends it to me. he just emailed this to me: > > >I looked at TV Guide today, and there's no listing for 120 Min. being > >shown tomorrow. There's an extreme sports/music special from 11:30 AM > >to 6:00 PM, so maybe that pre-empted it??? > > so. what time is it on and is it even on?? > > be well. > amanda > --- > "I could never pay you in fruit, land, money, or blowjobs what your worth > as a human being is." > :amos: > > "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken > places." > +hemingway+ > > > :.*rolling*and*.unrolling.*coiling*:emerging:*running*+free+*.: > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html > > > > > > > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:58:45 EST From: Mermann658@aol.com Subject: Re: Various bits. (Flying Dutchman) In a message dated 11/14/99 4:22:24 PM Central Standard Time, derelict@netnitco.net writes: > What exactly is a Flying Dutchman? I mean, where did Tori get the title for > the song? Hi Sara, Have the info on the Flying Dutchman on my site. Here's a snip from it. Enjoy. :-) Several hundred years ago, in the year 1729 to be exactly, there lived a Dutch sea captain of fearsome temperament. With his ship he sailed through the stormiest seas, and fared the hardest routes. One day however, despite all his efforts, a storm prevented him from rounding the steep cliffs of a headland. He swore to the Devil that he would never give in to Nature, and that he would sail on until he rounded the headland, even if it took him till Judgment Day. The Devil took the Captain at his word and dammed him, that he must stay as captain of his ship, now a ghostship, sailing the seas, until Judgment Day should come. The Devil left him just one small hope. Only through the love of a woman could he be released. So, the Flying Dutchman became the curse of the seas. Any ship that met him became a ship of ill fortune. No sailor would sail on her, any trader would refuse to deal in it's wares. In order to protect themselves against an encounter with the ghost ship, ships took to nailing horseshoes to their masts, which was said to bring luck, and prevent an unhappy meeting. From: The Flying Dutchman's Page http://members.aol.com/gud4astorm/flyingd.html RJ For over 400 well organized pages on symbolism in Tori's lyrics and other nifty info, go to "The Biggest Thickest Ever Sky" at http://members.aol.com/gud4astorm/index.html "and the veil tears and rages till her voices are remembered and his secrets can be told" -Tori Amos- "I mean, pointing out the Tree and saying 'Don't Touch' in big letters. Not very subtle, is it?....Makes you wonder what He's really planning." -the serpent speaking to the angel in the Garden of Eden from "Good Omens" by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #341 *************************************