From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #319 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: UK meet'n'greets [Ken Tough ] Re: digital spew from atlantic [Spiritcc33@aol.com] Re: bidding on tori items on Yahoo! auctions [Freedom110@aol.com] Re: Rosie [Spiritcc33@aol.com] Re: [Spiritcc33@aol.com] [none] [angel dust ] cloud on my tongue ["Erin Martin" ] Rosie MP3? ["trent, asserting my wicked ways" ] [none] [angel dust ] Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience [Beth Coulter ] 1000 CLowns? [Prettynightshade@aol.com] Re: [angel dust ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #318 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Tori In Minneapolis..... [Nubbay@aol.com] Re: a black dove import? [] boot question ["Wake UpNeo" ] Plymouth 98 Meet and Greet ["Lucy Bennett" ] Re: matt chamberlain ["Lynne Toussaint" ] TORITV: fanatic rerun [puppycakes ] Re: tvab review @thespark.com [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... [Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Ca] just a comment ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:04:59 -0400 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: UK meet'n'greets Apparently I wrote: >"Mike Gray" wrote: >Maybe London shows are different to the more >>regional shows, though? >All I can say is: if you think London is good, do the >regional thing, man. Just occurred to me that maybe you meant "my experience is only in regional shows... perhaps London is more like the US." If that's what you meant, I don't know, perhaps you're right. But I can't see it somehow. - -- Ken Tough Montserrat, West Indies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:00:21 EDT From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: digital spew from atlantic Does n e one have a copy of the interview on rosie if their was one or what she played or whatever?? I missed it dammit Thanx *^*CornFlake girl~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:05:49 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: bidding on tori items on Yahoo! auctions In a message dated 10/21/99 7:45:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, janeyj007@yahoo.com writes: > this is such a long shot, but here goes... > > in august, i bid on a tori poster, the BfP one with > her nursing the pig. anyway, the id of the person who > bid against me is jason51974 - if you're on this list, > could you *please* email me? i really need need to > talk to you about something. :) > Speaking of this poster, of tori breast feeding the piglet, does anyone know where i could possibly find one? Are they still available, were only a few made? Someone please help. - -Gus "Blossom, riot poof..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:37:48 EDT From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Rosie :( hey what is the drug story??? was thier any kind of interview??? thanx lata for now **~Cornflakegirl~** ( A bliss of another kind ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:31:49 EDT From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh no!! I find myself suddenly saddend that I didn't get to see charlie rose I know what you mean about the chill thing!~! Dammit Did anyone tape it or does n e one have the interview typed up ??? lata for now **~Cornflakegirl~** ( A bliss of another kind ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:57:10 EDT From: angel dust Subject: [none] does anyone here have any OLDER extra tori posters (large ones, not paper size) that you're willing to sell? or know of any stores near you that sell them? if so, i would pay a good amount of money, and if you have any stores near-by, i could send you the $ if you could pick it up for me and send it through snail mail..... PLEASE?!?!? like latex, fur and feathers: angel ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:23:41 -0400 From: "Erin Martin" Subject: cloud on my tongue Hullo! With all this talk about "Cloud on My Tongue" I thought I might share a musing I had recently. I think at least part of ComT could be taken as being religious. "leave the wood outside what" There's a Tori quote that the great goddess jolie reminded me of, where Tori says "Get off the cross, we need the wood!" I guess she means something like "keep religion out of this"...I can't explain what I mean exactly but I think you get the idea "all the girls here are freezing cold" Religion has led to repression of women, in a lot of cases. Because of the cross (and thusly not having any wood) the girls are cold. "leave me with your Borneo" Somebody posted a quote from Toriphoria where she says that Borneo was a very free place...she wants to be free from guilt or whatever it is stifling her "leave me the way I was before" She wants to return to her pre-Christian roots, she wants people to recognize the way the world was before the politics of religion interfered Well, that's all I've got so far. I'm still playing w/ the "Mr. Zebra"/ Freddie Mercury connection...hey, I even learned what sillabub (sp?) is!! Be well! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:59:31 -0700 From: "trent, asserting my wicked ways" Subject: Rosie MP3? did someone make an MP3 of Tori's performance on Rosie including the interview? i'd love to get an MP3 of that performance/interview. thanks :) trent. "you gotta be a bad girl in this world and you've got to make waves gotta be a bad girl to be heard assert your wicked ways" --DJ Rap ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:31:46 EDT From: angel dust Subject: [none] who was it on this list that was asking for poems from victims a while ago? like latex, fur and feathers: angel ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:13:11 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience I'm not going to quote and re quote all the hyperbole about this subject. I just want to let you guys know, I had a Handal in Hostage for almost 24 hours and heard first hand some of the marvelous experiences he had during the shows. To sit and listen to Richard pick through his memories to find the highlights is wonderful. Yeah, he's got some cool stories about Tori and the shows, but he has even better stories about the people and events on the road. I spent a bit of time trying to convince him to set some of these memories down on cyber paper and share them with all. Admittedly he is hesitant to do so because of some of the negative comments directed towards him. Richard Handal is one of the nicest, most sincere Gentleman that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I hope that he does post his wonderful stories, and that he holds little back so that we all may vicariously live the dream he just fulfilled. So for those of you who don't like a good story, DEAL WITH IT. Don't read it if you are so petty you can't see the beauty of him sharing this stuff. If your jealousy and rage keep you from appreciating the tales of the road, please don't tell the thousand or so of us who really want to hear what he and the other regulars have to say. Hell, If I had wonders to share, I would think twice before putting them in this forum in this atmosphere. Maybe some of you lurkers who are here to hear about the tales from the tour would write encouraging notes, then perhaps the "regulars" would open up part of their treasure chest and let us share in their joy and amazement. I can't tell you how much Richard's visits have meant to me over the past two years. I deal with much sleep deprivation whenever he is here, but to hear his great reminisces is worth the lack of sleep. So dudes and dudettes, don't be dissin' my Big Bro anymore or you may have to answer to me. I may be small, but I'm wiry and will make you eat your words! ;) OK, I'll admit it's sort of an empty threat, but this ain't no empty promise; invite Richard and Dor and Matt and Emi and Carmen and, and, and, to share their experiences and we shall all be much richer. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:32:38 -0700 From: copperdryad Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Richard Handal wrote: > toward the end of the tour. I said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about engaging in > any sort of behavior which might impose upon ANYONE. do you think you guys could back off already? richard is a good guy, that a lot of you have for whatever reason chosen to vent frustration on... i have met him, and several of the "regulars" whatever that means, and you're just speaking out of turn at this point... this subject is *dead* already... move on. ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:11:12 EDT From: Prettynightshade@aol.com Subject: 1000 CLowns? Hi guys... I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but insound.com has an odd listing under their tori products.... 1000 Clowns. They also have 1000 Oceans listed, but there is no track listing for "1000 Clowns".... Does anyone know anything about this? Is this just a major typo, or have I missed something important here? shade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:57:10 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: i'll type up what she and he said throughout the whole interview tomorrow afternoon, so nobody else has to bother. plus tomorrow's going to be so totally empty, so please let me! yes, that's a pitiful plea. and i taped it, but i have no way of copying it since there's only one vcr in this house..... did you see rosie though? if not, i taped that also, therefore can type up the interview for you and anyone else also..... so if anyone missed either, or both, just write me and i can send the text to you, k? like latex, fur and feathers: angel "life is just a dream on the way to death" - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh no!! I find myself suddenly saddend that I didn't get to see charlie rose I know what you mean about the chill thing!~! Dammit Did anyone tape it or does n e one have the interview typed up ??? lata for now **~Cornflakegirl~** ( A bliss of another kind ) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:08:15 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #318 <> Hey! I love Jewel! Not as much as Tori, no not nearly as much, I still love Jewel. And aromatherapy can be incredibly relaxing. I don't see what it has to do with Tori, so why that guy said it, I don't kow. But as for cheerleaders, I don't know any Toriphiles who'd degrade themselves to that. :) -Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:43:13 EDT From: Nubbay@aol.com Subject: Tori In Minneapolis..... Can Someone Help Me Please ???? I didn't get a chance to go to the Tori Minneapolis, Mn concert b/c of my hectic schedule, please just say someone out there did tape the show !!!!! please please someone get back to me ! i would love to get a copy of it, i will do ANYTHING !!!!!! Zac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:52:13 +0100 (BST) From: Subject: Re: a black dove import? Sounds like complete nonsense to me (unless it's a bootleg then the regulars on the list would be able to pinpoint the photo within like ten seconds!) - the only singles from Choirgirl were : Spark (UK 2 CDs / US / Australia) Jackie's Strength (US) Jackie's Strength Remixes (US CD and 12" and UK Promo 12") Cruel / Raspberry Swirl (US) Raspberry Swirl (German / European / Australia. Also UK promo CD and 12") There will be other formats in other countries which I have missed, of course, but that's the sum-total of the UK, US and Australian releases and promos. There was talk of a Northern Lad UK CD-r acetate floating about, and I believe it was for sale at Esprit (www.eil.co.uk) some time back and may still be if the price was as I remember it, but I don't recall plans for a release. Black Dove as a single has never been mentioned, so I should say not and that this guy is lying. HTH. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:59:03 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: boot question Shandra (hi ! welcome !) asked: "I'm used to ani difranco fans, who trade boots freely as ani says she doesn't mind (as long as you just trade, not sell). Has Tori come forward with an opinion?" The most I've ever read her as saying was that she didn't like her fans being cheated by bootleggers due to the low quality of bootlegs in general. Anyone else have anything on this ? K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:48:21 -0000 From: "Lucy Bennett" Subject: Plymouth 98 Meet and Greet The great Mr. Ken Tough himself wrote- >I've only been to one m&g in the UK (and a grand total >of 2 shows in total, both UK). I must say it was absolutely >mind-boggingly well behaved, even though there were maybe >only a dozen people there. We just sortof queued up in standard >UK fashion, she stood somewhere, and we all did our one-on-one >chat thing. Was great fun, as we all had as much time as we >felt comfortable with, seemed about 5 minutes each or so. >That was (nearly) in Cornwall, (actually Plymouth, Devon) >back during the Plugged tour. Very heartening it was indeed, >the way everyone got on together ("regs" and non "regs" alike). >Lucy Bennett took pics for people, and it was all-around fun. That was just the best meet and greet ever! Actually, if anyone is reading this other than Ken and Richard H. who were at the Plymouth show meet and Greet, May 25th Last year, please get in touch as I may have you in a picture with tori. Strangely, I took so many pictures of other people with tori that day, yet never actually got one with her myself. That's okay anyway as I got some great shots for people and that made me happy!:O) So I have no idea what the meet and greet will be like next week, the Royal Albert Hall ones last year were a bit of a squash, and after the show was just ridicolous. So I'm not going with hugely high expectations this time due to the fact that *everyone* i know is going to the meet and greet! But it will be fun nontheless. Actually as me and Mike Gray were discussing last night, a huge part of excitement for us will be the meeting up of friends who we haven't seen since the shows last year, having a great time and making new friends, oh and of course after that, to maybe say hi to a certain redhead! See you all at the show! Lucy Driven Like The Snow- Tori Amos Trading page -http://currantbun.tripod.co.uk/driven_like_the_snow/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:40:02 -0500 From: "mr zebra" Subject: Tori on charts R&R Online - Adult Alternative: Bliss #27 http://www.rronline.com Matthew hello. it's me. I'm not at home. if you'd like to reach me, leave me alone. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:51:12 -0400 From: "Lynne Toussaint" Subject: Re: matt chamberlain He also played on Fiona Apple's Tidal (1996), and her new album, When the Pawn (abbreviated of course...*smile* I haven't had time to memorize the rest of the title yet. If any of you are Fiona fans, you know what I mean ;). peace out with faerie hugs christina "tried to save myself but myself keeps slipping away" trent reznor, nine inch nails "if you're getting any bright ideas quiet dear i'm blooming within" fiona apple "now i belong i'm one of the chosen ones now i belong i'm one of the beautiful ones" trent reznor - ----- Original Message ----- From: blissful To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:07 PM Subject: matt chamberlain > > hey, this is SOMEWHAT tori related. heh. > did anyone know that matt chamberlain does percusion on chantal kreviazuk's > new album? (a canadian singer) yep. just a pointless little tidbit i thought > i'd throw at you. > > > > one with her hands > open > "Don't Be afraid" she said > "No one will know it - > just you and me" > And when it's over > I'll go back > http://www.sapphirebelle.com/sarah/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:13:39 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: TORITV: fanatic rerun i was just poking around clicktv.com and noticed that mtv will be re-running the fanatic episode which tori appeared on at 2:30pm on thursday, october 28th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: tvab review @thespark.com Hi guys! That article was very shocking. And I decided to reply, but not with hate mail (as he probably expects), but with... an informative point of view. My letter follows: Hello Jeff, Just to let you know, I'm not writing to bash you. Just wanted to make a comment. >From my email address, you can probably tell I'm a Tori fan. So I'd like to address your review. It'll just take a sec. Please be patient. Thanks. First, the audience for Tori's music is not young white cheerleaders. In fact, it's these girls that generally hate Tori's music. They're too much into Britney Spears. Tori's audience is gaining some younger ones, but typically they are artistic, have some musical talent of their own, or just "got it" one day. Me? I'm 28 and a teacher. Plus, the most widely-known fan of Tori's music is the creator of the best Tori fan website, Mike Whitehead. He's in his mid 30s and is a computer engineer. The second most widely-known fan is Richard Handal, also in his 30s. And for the most part, Tori's fandom is a community-- a lot of us know each other across the country. Okay, okay. Just one more thing I wanted to say. I've been listening to Tori since '92 with her first album. And I have to say that as each album has come out, it's gotten harder and harder to immediately like the album. Little Earthquakes was a given. Beautiful. Under the Pink was also beautiful, but just a little less adored. Then Pele turned off many Tori fans on first listen. As did Choirgirl and Venus. BUT... I have to say that with her albums, it's very hard to listen to it first time all the way through. I think her music must be listened to one song at a time, several times over, before a true opinion can be formed. I'm not sure what the method is for reviewing an album; I mean, reviewers have to listen to music all the time they don't care for, so it's very easy to listen once and then go, "Yuck", and not get past it. But I've had the album in my possession now for just over 2 weeks. And now I get it. And it gets me. And perhaps, don't you think, that the song "Josephine" redeems the album, even for the most tired mind? Well, I really hope that you have not taken this the wrong way. My tone of voice in writing this is simply conversational. I just felt like I had to reach out to you and let you know that as Tori develops her music these days, beginning with Pele, the music just has so many layers that it's very hard and tiring to penetrate them, and that is why it is so often dismissed. But if you stick with it, it will come alive for you. I promise. Thanks for listening. Your article was thought provoking. Jennifer Cypres Knoxville, TN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:55:37 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: platform shoes Just wanted to add a (hopefully) humorous note to this thread. Someone else (sorry!) then Richard both said: "> My advice to those who are short - wear platforms!! This is a common practice among many of the shorter folks attending the shows. It sometimes makes for an interesting sight at the shows.  :-)" Heehee. The Steve Madden "Tori" shoe comes to mind ! Now the platform aspect of them (not good for klutzes like me, tho they were quite comfy when tried on) makes more sense. ;o) Next tour... Tori shoes, for all the more petite EWF ! :o) If I were a millionaire I'd buy 'em for all y'all :o) LOL. K. medium height with a bad back...where does that fit in ? ;oP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:01:46 -0500 (GMT+5) From: Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas Subject: Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... Hey all, Yesterday I went over Maria Paula's (a friend of mine), who is also a Tori fan but has not had a chance of getting TVAB just yet (this is Colombia after all) and I had the CD with me. So I showed it to her... she started looking at the pictures in the booklet and she made what I think is a discovery since I haven't heard anyone else mention it (if someone noticed it before I'm sorry then, hehe). You know how on some of the pics Tori is wearing this black strecht look-alike dress and OVER this black dress she's wearing another dress. Well, do you guys remember the SEXY dress she's wearing on the Jackie's Strength Remix CD/Vinyl single...??? IT'S THE SAME ONE! Hehe. I thought it was pretty cool... I hadn't noticed it! Had anyone? *giggles* Rock on, Giovanni http://come.to/corncity ********************************************************* "Boys on my left side, "If I ran away, boys on my right side, I'd never have the strength, boys in the middle, to go very far..." and you're not here..." -Madonna - -Tori Amos "Take this man to your bed, "Time cast a spell on you, maybe his hands but you won't forget me will help you forget I know I could have loved you Please be stronger than your past, but you would not let me the future may still give you I'll follow you down 'til a chance..." the sound of my voice will haunt you - -George Michael you'll never get away from the sound of the woman that loves you..." "Why do why crucify ourselves?" -Stevie Nicks - -Tori Amos ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:14:43 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: just a comment Just a comment on the following written by johanna and NOT ment to be a nasty one: > i guess that is what ive been trying to get across lately. going to the shows > means so, so, so, so much to me. the interaction and conversations ive had > with tori are beyond incredible, and something i will hold for myself > forever. > > it's not about pushing and shoving and negativity for me. im not speaking for > all "regulars" - but i think what richard said is really right on. it cant > be described. most people dont share that stuff on the lists, i think richard > is the only one. i sort of do, but cant really. :) there are some great > personal websites out there, ive mentioned Dor's which are really amazing > accounts of what it is like. > > but no website, long email, or dissertation could describe what it is like. > so what i wish for is for the accusations to stop flying. because you can > never fully understand what another person's experience is. I certainly do not expect anyone to divulge private spiriual moments such as this if they are not comfortable with it. I imagine that it is rather like announcing how someone is in bed...at least that is what I gather. So, I am happy to hear that it is magical and leave the rest to that private sacred place in your heart. But, as for my side of the story, I literally cried when I started reading all these posts about "regulars". I cried because jealosy is so poisonous, and people seem to be full of that particular emotion lately. I also cried because it is not my calling to be a "regular". I had to came to terms with that. --let me try to explain...I believe that if you are willing to devote enough of yourself, and luck (or fate or God or goddess) is on your side, you can do anything. Even be a regular. So I believe that I could be a regular. But that is not my calling. My calling is to be a scientist in my internship and to love Tori's music from afar. So I feel that I made a *choice* to NOT be a regular (and that makes me sad, because i so dearly want to be!). So my whole point is that perhaps the non-regulars have actually made a choice (maybe unconsciously) to heed other calls in their lives that take up the time and energy and $$$ that is takes to be a regular. Am I making sense? I dont mean to offend, I am just suggesting that people look at this from a different angle. Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net "Your ed-ja-ma-ca-shun aint no hipper than whatcha understand." - --Dr. John "I want the answers quickly, but I don't have no energy. I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within. My cup she never overfloweth and 'tis I that moan and groaneth." - --Kate Bush ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #319 *************************************