From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #317 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 317 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tvab review @ thespark.com [Diabolusinne@aol.com] Re: RE: regulars [GoneAndromeda@aol.com] request :) [PokaDot420@aol.com] this regular business [NNadelS@aol.com] Re: RDT Right Now #843 ["Ryan McGinnis" ] another penny for you... ["a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. " ] re: my childish post ["glytter grrl" ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco ["Mike Gray" ] Rosie ["Terry Ferrell" ] To Venus & Back Review at thespark.com [ILuvBea09@aol.com] City? ["Mark Harbott" ] [none] [angel dust ] Twilight Mix ["Eric Tierney" ] Anyone from Wa.? [Twinkle018@aol.com] Tori was on Charlie Rose show last nite; might repeat today ["Wake UpNeo"] 'Regulars' ["squidgy" ] Tori on Rosie ["mr zebra" ] Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience [XXXPandora@aol.com] HARD ROCK reviews???? ["d i v i d i n g c a n a a n" ] matt chamberlain ["blissful" ] Re: UK Single Release [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: Rosie [Megasus ] Re: this regular business [Pelequake@aol.com] Re: Anyone from Wa.? ["Paige Fetish" ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco ["Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: RDT Right Now #843 - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth Winegarner > A bit insulting, but check it out: > We know what you're saying right now and we > understand. "What the fuck?!" Exactly. How does Tori Amos make our list of > our Top 10 favorite albums of the 1990s? It's > unforgivable! Yeah, yeah, I know. I also know that when I was 16, I knew of > no album that compared. Amos dared to say > things that no other rockgirl had ever dared to say before, paving the way > for better, more respectable women like Liz Phair, PJ > Harvey and Jarvis Cocker. I'm not saying that justifies it being in the Top > 10, but when the votes were tallied, it turned out a lot of us had > a secret shame in common. -Ryan Schreiber > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/90s/index10.shtml Pitchfork is a site populated by writing hacks. I had a private email conversation with the writer who wrote the "Tori fans are insane" article; he made little sense, and mainly tried to justify his "journalism" with elementary school logic. If you read the above article, you can almost see where this guy can't seperate his own personal hangups with straightforward content-based review -- "Even though this is the 8th best album in the 90's, Tori Amos is a talentless boob! There is no excuse for liking Tori! Even though she made one of the best albums in the 90's! But you can't like Tori! No excuse!" - -Ryan http://www.lionking.org/~ryan/ ryan@lionking.org ICQ: 1953628 PGP key ID: 0x3EDDA6CA "Impeach Clinton. 12 Galaxies Guiltied to A Techtronic Rocket Society.'' -sign held by man standing outside of Oakland's Justin Herman Plaza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:21:30 -0700 From: "a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. " Subject: another penny for you... got my tori quote for the day. it is quite appropriate. "Valuing the differences and being OK with not needing to agree with each other. That to me is how relationships don't start exploding." be well. amanda - --- "I could never pay you in fruit, land, money, or blowjobs what your worth as a human being is." :amos: "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." +hemingway+ :.*rolling*and*.unrolling.*coiling*:emerging:*running*+free+*.: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:21:30 -0700 From: "a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. " Subject: another penny for you... got my tori quote for the day. it is quite appropriate. "Valuing the differences and being OK with not needing to agree with each other. That to me is how relationships don't start exploding." be well. amanda - --- "I could never pay you in fruit, land, money, or blowjobs what your worth as a human being is." :amos: "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." +hemingway+ :.*rolling*and*.unrolling.*coiling*:emerging:*running*+free+*.: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:38:58 EDT From: "glytter grrl" Subject: Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" mr. handal, i was not referring to you in the first half of my letter, as a matter of fact, i wasn't referring to you at all till the very end of my letter....and it must of been nice, it's a shame all of Tori's fans can't have a smidgeon of what you have experienced. > >This is exactly why those of us who see tons of shows tend not to discuss >it publicly. I never said what Becka heard. Am I now supposed to defend >something I didn't say? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:26:52 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: Mr.Zebra > while she was writing it ? I can't remember the song's title. If it was > Mr. Zebra, well then I guess that'd lend credence to this theory. Anyone > remember that quote ? I'm kinda 91.6% sure this was "Sugar" Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:52:15 EDT From: "glytter grrl" Subject: re: my childish post that was best reserved for private mailing johanna, what you just called me just was applied to you with your mailing. I have witnessed "regulars" act & imply that they are more than the other EWF's. My first tori experience was due to a regular, if I could find that person I'd thank the stars to be able to thank them! My 2nd one was partially due to a regular, same story with them! but everyone can contribute that near the end of DDI tour and the plugged tour, things have been harder, I did try to squeeze into the meet & greet and was told to my face that because "they had been standing there longer(about 2 secs longer than me) and that they've been following the tour, they go first." this was just last year. and they weren't the only ones. > >glittergirl's accusations are hurtful, petty, childish, and completely >unfounded. i have _never_ witnessed anyone who might be labeled a "regular" >say they are a better fan. i have _never_ seen a "regular" think they are >more important than an ewf. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:03:24 +0100 (BST) From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Hi Guys, I thought I'd add my few thoughts on this one - because I'm something of a 'regular' albeit for UK shows only, and indeed I'm privileged enough to have seen three shows from the front row (it'll be four next week) - I'm not quite sure why I try and get front row tickets - probably because that way I'm assured a good view (although I'm quite tall) and it's less likely that I'll get someone in front of me ruining the entire thing in some way (although at one show, the security guards did a pretty good job of that one) For me, a Tori show is not *just* about the show, it's about the whole community element of it. Tori fans are often compared to Deadheads in terms of the number of shows they see, and the kind of group spirit that exists quite often. For me, the highlight of the show next week may in fact not be seeing Tori, but more the meet 'n' greet beforehand where I get to catch up with people who I've been writing to and bumping into at other artist's shows occasionally for the 18 or so months since the last show I saw. Through Tori fans I've discovered novelists, poets, musicians and films and made a number of thoroughly wonderful friends. There's a grapevine in place, I would agree that allows certain people access to the information first, but then it's always been this way. Someone hears somethng, phones someone else who mails it someone else who.... y'know. But with public forums such as The Dent being so thorough and regularly updated, I find it hard to see how anyone could be more than a day behind on any information - it's not like any of the regulars keep their knowledge to themselves - if anything, they're only too willing to share their experiences and tips - if you're willing to stop and listen. I believe that Meet 'n' Greets in the UK are something of a different affair to those in the US in so far as there's far more of a chance of everyone getting their brief moment with Tori - one of my none 'net connected friends wrote to me of their experiences in the US at m'n'g and said that they "couldn't believe how rude everyone was being and home selfish" - something which I really haven't come across yet in the UK. Maybe London shows are different to the more regional shows, though? If someone wants to see a number of shows and can afford it, then what on earth is the problem? I know people who move heaven and earth (financially and logistically) to attend shows - and let's face it, the shows aren't very often sell-outs when there's a complete tour attached (as opposed to say the one-off show at the Royal Festival Hall) - and sometimes the shows going on depends on ticket sales. If the regulars didn't buy the tickets, those shows either might not go ahead or the arena might seem a whole lot emptier. It's not like they're *depriving* people of tickets. I seem to remember that because of poorer than expected tickets sales on the '98 tour, Tori had to fund a couple of gigs herself - maybe she would have had to fund even more without the regulars, or worse, maybe had to cancel some. Add to that, what on earth is with the current trend of regular-bashing (particularly Richard, who admittedly has seen a number of shows, which is to his credit - he's a lucky guy but if you've sat near Richard at a show, I think you'd gather just how much he enjoys them - and he *doesn't* care where in the arena he's sat, that much I'm fairly sure of [I'm right, aren't I, Richard?] - and frankly, if I was in the US I'd probably be trying to get to than number of shows) - in particular "Glytter Girl" [becka's] bile-filled vitriol which frankly is not in keeping with the spirit of this list or indeed of Toriphiles in general. I don't think you, or anyone else has the right to pass value judgements on anyone else's emotions, much less with the spite that you did it. You can't get good tickets? Well figure the system out next time, why don't you - and don't begrudge the people who can. Get your tickets early, and get them from the right outlet - it's hardly a secret. As I've said before, people (including myself) push themselves financially to see a show that frankly, they can't really afford - they just put that extra effort in. A lot of the regulars tend to help the new people get to the front of the meet and greet or ensure that at least they get things signed. I know at least one regular who attends the meet 'n' greets but only watches them, doesn't participate unless he has a real need to. As for the whole getting emotional at Tori shows - I think it would be very difficult not to, unless the atmosphere was spoiled by something (security guards, security guards and security guards spring to mind [sorry, not that I'm bitter about the Liverpool show in '98]) and I know that I've been to shows where a number of people have been in tears... it's catharsis, an emotional response and is perfectly, perfectly valid. I've cried at Tori shows, my girlfriend has cried at a Tori show and my Toriphile friends have cried at Tori shows - that's how it is. Anyway, I've rambled an insane amount, so I'll stop now! Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:18:51 -0700 From: "a+bath~of .~:.::glitter::.:~. " Subject: just my two cents... or four or five... okay. i am appproaching this thing with the *regualrs* from a very unbiased point of view. i am not a regular. heck. i wish i was. and i have already told a few of the regulars that i fully intend to follow the next tour. even if i never talk to tori amos ever again (i got to at the m&g), i truly fell in love with all the people i met. i sat and talked with richard (*waves*) for at least 45 minutes. and he is truly an amazing man. utterly self-less. he shared with me some of the things that he has done for other ewf (don't need to go into details), and has stated that despite tori wanting to do stuff for him, thats not what is about for him. and i understand that. someone asked a question about what you want to get from the experience and talked about autographs. i had the opportunity to get tori's autograph. but that's not what it was about for me. it was about telling her how much she has helped me to grow and heal. for some people perhaps it is about the autographs. and tha! ! t is okay. but for me it was not. i spent most of alanis' set with a bunch of the regulars, playing telephone and duck duck goose, and a bunch of other kindergarten games. and they were, without a doubt, one of *the* most amazing groups of people i have ever met. i have never felt so at home with a group of people as i did with dor and richard and the 15 or so other people who's names i can't remember. but matt and jeremy were there... it was about tori, yes. but it really wasn't. it was about all of us coming together. finding some common ground. ewf are such a special group of people you guys, regardless of whether or not they have been to every show on the tour. richard and dor and mike and everyone are very very lucky to have made the connection with tori, and are very lucky to be able to follow her tours like they have. and i plan on doing that. not because i am obssessive or jealous. but because i love the music. and i love the people. so. take what you will from this email. but i just think that the drama needs to end. no one should have to defend his or her life. and richard? loved your deal with it comment. you're awesome babe. email me sometime! to everyone i met that is reading this, you guys are all awesome. regardless of what anyone says. so there. be well everyone. amanda - --- "I could never pay you in fruit, land, money, or blowjobs what your worth as a human being is." :amos: "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." +hemingway+ :.*rolling*and*.unrolling.*coiling*:emerging:*running*+free+*.: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:50:18 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: UK Single Release Well, unsurprisingly the first British single has been postponed again until November (apparently), seems like her next album will come out before we get a single - does anyone know the new date of release? Squidgy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:17:03 EDT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: Rosie Hey Guys, All I can say about the performace on Rosie is WOW!!!!!!!!!! I was kind of hoping she would do something other than 1000 Oceans since she did it on Conan and Leno, but I was not disappointed at all with this performace. I personally thought the song sounded so much better without the band, dont get me wrong I love Caton, Chamberland, and Evans, but the song was just so much more emotional and personal, I LOVED IT!!! I also was happy to hear the drug story again, that story just cracks me up, although I dont think it impressed my mother too much, who I forced to watch this with me. Just wanted to say how happy I was with the performace. ><> Terry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:22:41 EDT From: ILuvBea09@aol.com Subject: To Venus & Back Review at thespark.com It's not good but here it is. I found it last night on thespark.com. 09/28/99 Score: 1.5 ears (out of 5) To Venus and Back Last week, white cheerleaders and other victims of sexual indignities temporarily put down their Jewel poetry, sketch books, and aromatherapy to purchase Tori Amos's new double CD, To Venus and Back. With the most affected voice since Morrissey, an encyclopedic knowledge of elementary mythology, and a penchant for printing her lyrics, Tori might be trying to distract us from her music. I promise you that won't happen. In the past I have offended TheSpark's readers by telling things pretty much as they are. Though I frankly don't care too much about your feelings, some cases require a little extra sensitivity. It is a harsh truth that Tori Amos was a victim of rape and that many other victims find solace in her music. This comfort is not something I would ever want to diminish. In this review, however, I will call attention to what I consider legitimate and non-legitimate uses of Tori's biographical information. If you are a victim of sexual violence, the simple knowledge that pain and anger can be channeled into a constructive artistic medium can be invaluable. If you have suffered a lesser offense, like being asked to the prom by a member of the defensive line instead of the quarterback, you are hereby prohibited from comparing your plight to Tori's. Although you may see elements of your own emotions in songs like "Me and a Gun," recourse to the author's biography should only help put your problems in perspective. Further, I am going to ask now that no one flood my inbox with statements like "something bad once happened to Tori so her music must be good." This is what we call a non sequitur, or a series of statements with no logical progression. I am fully willing to concede misfortune to an artist without praising the content that arises from it. In short, I won't be emotionally blackmailed into liking this album. Lyrically, To Venus and Back is pretentious and vague--a musical Rorsharch test in which the recently jilted are likely to find "deep" meaning without textual evidence. Cliché lines like "Taste the sweet of Spring" rank Tori somewhere between Sylvia Plath and Jim Morrison as a poetess, so you're probably undermining your own intelligence if you claim to understand them. Like the Emperor in the childhood parable, Tori's lyrics aren't wearing any clothes. They never were. Musically, Ms. Amos's latest work is hardly innovative or even substantial. Despite a cultural tendency to view piano music as inherently better than, say, guitar music, To Venus and Back is pop music at its simplest and most banal. A crafty hook here and there salvages self-indulgent lyrics but leaves Tori firmly in the league of Semisonic and Third Eye Blind. As for the second disc--a live album of cuts from the 1998 "From the Choirgirl Hotel" tour--Amos isn't exactly an improvisational master, so don't expect to see Carlos Santana on stage with her anytime soon. It's true that the background applause is pretty loud, but that only confirms the number of teenage white females who burned their hands swaying lighters to mediocre music. Take it Sleazy, Jeff (Jeff Weiser doesn't care if you hate him, or if you love Tori Amos. He'll be happy to tell you that himself though, so email him.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:19 +0200 From: "Mark Harbott" Subject: City? Hi (sorry for cross post!) Anyone on this list from Iowa City or Cleveland?? Please let me know! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:16:00 EDT From: angel dust Subject: [none] so did you all see our tori luv on charlie rose? i loved to hear her speak, i got chills, and somehow she manages to make any piece of clothing or fabric look lovely..... like latex, fur and feathers: angel ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:03:00 GMT From: "Eric Tierney" Subject: Twilight Mix I've never heard the "Twilight" mix of "Putting the Damage On." I was hoping someone might be able to tell me what it's like, as this is one of my favorite girls, and perhaps give me a clue as to where I can find it, other than on the Atlantic retrospective album. Thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:51:04 EDT From: Twinkle018@aol.com Subject: Anyone from Wa.? I too, am from Washington. Gig Harbor, Wa. in fact. We should try to get together. Desiree P.S. I do have the second Seattle show from 1996 DDI tour. I can't remember which of you were interested. I seemed to have lost a few of your addresses. Please contact me. I'd be more than happy to copy it for you on tape. It's the best format I can do for now. I have lots of other stuff, too. Including video of the Moore Plugged show... and audio of the Seattle Plugged (non-Preview show). I also have pics... video from other cities... and audio. E-mail me if you want to trade. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:27:19 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Tori was on Charlie Rose show last nite; might repeat today Since I'm sending this to news lists too, it'll be brief; altho I might do a transcript later if no one else does... And since hotmail kicked me off when I tried to send it, just in case that first letter DID go thru I'll make this second retyping even briefer. Tori was on the Charlie Rose show last nite. It aired here at 11 PM. Also on the show, in this order, was a Nobel winning biologist, (then Tori) and Martha Stewart. So you know if you're watching the correct one. The interview was fairly good; Tori mentioned how Bliss is actually her conversation with the Christian God. Charlie asked her about Peabody, and other things. It was all respectful-- up 'til he asked her something about making love to the piano. Ugh. (When are journalists gonna turn the page ?) (And would he ask a man that ? hmph) It SHOULD repeat in the LA area at 4 PM today; and might in other markets too, I dunno-- you can check. Channel 8 PBS here. K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:33:23 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: 'Regulars' > One word for those of you who do not know Richard Handal. I have had the > privilege of spending some time with him this year at some shows. For me, he > personally represents what Ears With Feet means. I admire the way he > experiences and understands Tori's shows. He cares about Tori and how she > feels as well as he cares about fellow Toriphiles. He is one of the most > honest persons that I ever met and although I have no way of actually > personally knowing this, I really think that Tori herself likes him and his > way a lot. And when you see him on the phone after a show, you can be sure > that he takes responsibility for drawing an accurate picture of his > impression of that night in order to give everybody who could not be there a > chance to participate a little bit from the distance. For me it is hard to > think of anyone who could be more respectful towards fellow Toriphiles. I understand that Handel is liked and respected because alot of people on this list have got to know him personally - he is treated as an individual. These 'regulars' have been bunched together as if they speak, talk and think the same. Every single person on this list is an individual be they a regular, a non-regular or someone who has never had the 'priviledge' of seeing Tori in concert, yet they are labeled as one. You have to know each one of these people personally before you can judge them. Speaking as a concert virgin most of these emails about regulars etc are only written with greed and jealousy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:53:17 -0500 From: "mr zebra" Subject: Tori on Rosie Tori was on Rosie today, in case some of you didn't know. She performed 1000 Oceans, of course, but without the band. Just her and the piano. It was great. And they were playing the video on two screens behind the piano. It was great. After she was done Rosie kept saying how beautiful the video was. Then, after the commercial, they talked about where the title for Venus came from and Tori's story about the arrest and how Phil Collins saved her from going to jail. Funny funny. Rosie was like "LEAVE OUT THE DRUG PARTS!!!" LOL. It was funny. But great performance and great interview. I *heart* Rosie. Matthew I don't care what they think. I don't care what they say. What do they know about this love anyway? ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:55:12 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience Ok, now I don't really want to involve myself in this argument since I have been through it thousands of times but I will state my position - I feel that the regulars have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe upon other people's rights ... as freedom is defined in the constitution - your freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. Now I do not worship them or feel that they have special exclusive rights to tori or anything like that - in fact I find them a bit crazy and sometimes pathetic ... but that doesn't mean that I will speak unfairly about them (especially those whom I have never personally had contact with). On the other hand Richard and I have exchanged email on a number of occasions and I can say that he is a very intelligent and grounded man - not a person that I would lump into the crazy tori following crowd. He provides us all with useful information and doesn't seem to be the type of person who feels that they own tori - just the nature of his relationship with tori is different from most of the regulars who we are concerned with. We must remember that these girls (I think they are mostly girls, even though it can be confusing at times) are just fans (just like us) who have decided to devote their lives not to themselves and the pursuit of enriching their own lives but to tori and her life. but I have one thing that really really angers me about this whole situation and I realize that it is not only the regulars who do this ... JewlyaINAP@aol.com writes: << Obviously Tori makes enough of an impact on their life that they want to remain with her, and even though I am a small girl (5'2), I belive whoever can get to the front at a show is AT THE FRONT. >> back to my freedom ends where someone else's begins. The ONLY people who have a right to be at the front are the people who are holding tickets!!! If you have a 25th row ticket - you belong in the 25th row - no matter how short or how tall you are!!!! Being 5'2" does not entitle you to go straight to the front row. I attended a tori concert with a friend who is 4'10" and we stayed in our seats and there were no problems. My advice to those who are short - wear platforms!! - thats what I have always done at concerts - much to my benefit - being 5'9" is much better than 5'4" :) If we are at a general admission concert then whoever gets there first is in the front - that is the way that concerts are designed to work - if people do not abide by this then the concert WILL NOT WORK. please everybody - stay in your seats or rows ... it will save everyone tons of needless aggravation and show your maturity. kisses, joanne * An Angel's face is tricky to wear constantly * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:18:35 -0500 From: "d i v i d i n g c a n a a n" Subject: HARD ROCK reviews???? Did i miss something, or has no one posted a review of the actual performance? 'cause i'm dying to know. and any word on a repeat of storytellers? anthonY:) "If you haven't swallowed it, smoked it, or licked it you suck!" - -tori amos- september 29, 1999 at Starplex in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:07:10 -0700 From: "blissful" Subject: matt chamberlain hey, this is SOMEWHAT tori related. heh. did anyone know that matt chamberlain does percusion on chantal kreviazuk's new album? (a canadian singer) yep. just a pointless little tidbit i thought i'd throw at you. one with her hands open "Don't Be afraid" she said "No one will know it - just you and me" And when it's over I'll go back http://www.sapphirebelle.com/sarah/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:37:28 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Re: UK Single Release Glory of the 80's was delayed until the Nov 1. I've heard that it was because of video production delays. I hope they don't pull their FTCGH spell of cancellations at the last minute. Tripp > Well, unsurprisingly the first British single has been postponed again until > November (apparently), seems like her next album will come out before we get > a single - does anyone know the new date of release? > > Squidgy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:59:14 -0700 From: Megasus Subject: Re: Rosie Terry Ferrell wrote: > Hey Guys, > > All I can say about the performace on Rosie is WOW!!!!!!!!!! I agree. I had tears in my eyes, which hasn't happened yet on one of the shows I've taped. (leno, letterman, etc) She was just awesome. And to see her talking to Rosie was fun.. because Rosie is energetic and happy, as opposed to some of the other people who talk with Tori and seem to not give a shit that she's there sometimes. I enjoyed the Charlie Rose interview, but he's like.... so... typical, you know what I mean? It reminded me of Larry King or something, the way it's just a professional type interview, and with Rosie, it was all fun and laughs.. I love to see Tori laughing. :) Anywhoo.. it was awesome, I taped it along with Charlie Rose last night..... loving all the TV appearances. :) Toodles! - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:29:12 EDT From: Pelequake@aol.com Subject: Re: this regular business This is an opinion I can agree with. I think we all harbor a bit of jealousy toward the so-called regulars who get to do what we can't, for better or worse.... > > All I know is that pushing a 15 year old girl out of the way when all she > wants is an autograph and you've met tori a dozen times is just horrible. I > constantly tell people how Tori has the most considerate and wonderful fans, > but I'm disapointed. I know it's really a small percentage of fans who'd do > this, but just be mindful of it. Now matter how important it is to you to > talk to Tori, it's a thousand times more important to the 14 or 15 year old > girl who just discovered her. Breaks my heart. I've noticed how possesive > people can get of Tori, much more so than other musicians fans. I've felt it > myself, if someone disses her my claws come out! But, don't get carried away. > Next time you rush to talk to her for third time on the tour, stop, look > behind you for the young girl ( or boy) clutching their copy of Little > Earthquakes and bring them up to the front. I've never met Tori, but I swear > by the fairies that if it was between me and some young girl I'd gladly give > up my place even if that meant not talking to her. At the end of the day, > it'll mean more to her. > -nick > who still wants to meet Tori someday, but not in a mob of rude people But I'm sure Tori would like to see some of the new faces, esp. the ones with the hope and even the terror that a newbie has. I still haven't gotten close enough to say a simple "thanks" to Tori. But AT THE SAME TIME, I've also seen people who have seen her before step out of the way to let someone new who's at their first show get a chance. Now that's grace. I haven't been lucky enough to benefit from it as yet, and not for lack of trying, as I've risen before the rooster to get my chance. But as long as there are people around like some of the ones who gave others the chance, I'll keep hoping! paige- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:34:03 PDT From: "Paige Fetish" Subject: Re: Anyone from Wa.? I too am from WA... Thanks for forgetting about me, JEN, and MEGASUS, hhe heh.. So does anyone know how to get off this list? I need to subscribe under a different name, and I don't know how. Please tell!!!! Love, Becky ~~*~Paige's Human Lip Gloss~*~ Proud owner of Perfection, a Paige Haley site... http://paigelovesme.tripod.com/ Sign the Guestbook!!! "It's better to forget than to remember me and cry..."---"Treasure" by the Cure ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:29:06 -0400 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco OK, I promise this is the last word from me. I'm going to say my peace and be done with it. There is something I would like to clear up from my end. I don't have issues with the regulars, as people. Most of the people I have encountered are very nice and interesting ( I stood in the rain for 2 hours with Carmen the night before the 1st show, and I've made a few new other friends as well), what I had issue with is the selfish behavior I saw and experienced. I just wanted to clear that up. Especially you Richard, though we haven't always agreed in the past and probably won't in the future, I respect you and your kindness and I hope you don't have any ill feelings towards me. (and yes this is a long one). From: Richard Handal *snip* > I don't know which people may have done that to you, Erika, but I will say > that much of what *most* people in the entire world do *snip* > I imagine that you did expect some of that, Erika, and what > you're complaining about was beyond that. Again, I can't explain that, nor > would I seek to justify it. I could tell you who was directly next to Alan, but I won't because I don't wanna go there, but the girl next to her whose name I do not know said that she was not feeling "aggressive" this evening so she decided not to try and push farther. Quite frankly had there been a large amount of pushing or people trying to stand behind me or what not I would have raised the biggest stink. I'd never had front row seats, and I had flown out for one show and paid a lot of money for my seats, I would not have stood for a aggressive behavior. What I am not saying was that I didn't expect any pushing at all, but had there been a large amount of it I would not have stood for it. > I will say, though, that as of the Boise show, there was a palpable sense > of the tour ending, and I know a bit of desperation had crept into the > psyches of folks--it sure did mine. Just the sense of needing to get > whatever we could from each of the remaining shows because it was all > coming to an end. See, this sentiment here sounds selfish to me. I understand the feeling, but I would never use my own personal feelings of desperation that I wasn't going to get anymore as excuse for my selfish behavior, that's something I see the kids I teach do, and they don't get a cookie when they act that way. What about those people who have that same desperation at the only show they'll attend, its the first and last night for so many people each night, explain how your feelings are somehow more important. Now, I know that's not exactly what you're saying, but that's how is comes across, *to me* anyway. I think because I only get to see a few shows I put myself more into the shoes of those people who only get to see one show, but I feel kinda connected to both sides. I try to remember what it was like the first show I went to and how it was so wonderful and magical and yet sad because I had no idea when I'd ever see her again. Try and remember what that feels like, try to imagine this is your only show or your very first show, remember what that excitement feels like or the first time you got talk to Tori or just see her so close and maybe smile at you, or that intense feeling when she stares down at you from the stage and searches your soul and then it breaks because you smile, then she smiles. Be a big enough person to let someone else have that moment, it might be the only one they ever have. From: > This brings me to a question ive been wanting to ask ewf. ask yourself what > it is that you want to get from tori- from the experience, and from tori > herself. when i go to meet and greets, i dont ask for autographs. I do have a few autographs, and most because she insisted, but they aren't what I ever wanted from Tori or from the experience. I don't want anything from Tori, all I want is to try and give a little back. The first time I got to really talk with her, really the only time where it was more than just hi, I thanked her I gave her a favor from my wedding and I thanked her for helping make that day even more special. I thanked her for being so genuine and wonderful. The next day I wanted to give her a book I had read that I found so amazing that I wanted to share it with her, someone managed to get it too her for me. I wasn't expecting anything back. This year I again wanted to see if she had read my book and due to some rather odd circumstances I was able to find out, and I was also able to give her another. So, it's not about getting anything from her, its trying to give back in my own way. I don't need for her to know me, though I'm not going to lie it would be nice, but if I did know her I don't know if I would want that relationship to happen over a barricade. Now I'm rambling, but these are things I just feel like saying. From: Mike Gray > I'm privileged > enough to have seen three shows from the front row (it'll be four > next week) - I'm not quite sure why I try and get front row tickets - > probably because that way I'm assured a good view. Though there were a few people who did have front seats, actual tickets with those seats printed on them, many did not. Its not having that seat and trying to push your way into someone else who does, that drives me crazy. And this is behavior I saw at numerous shows, but expireinced first hand only at Boise becuase that's the only show I've actually had front row for. Anyway.... I'm going to end this here. Again though, I want to say its not the people, its specific behavior that's icky. Be Well Erika ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #317 *************************************