From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #315 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Site [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Re: Charlie Rose? ["nicole m. labbe" ] Tori on E! News Daily [Giovanni Mantilla ] Re: questions re Aug. 22 concert [Nadyne Mielke ] Mr.Zebra ["The Great Goddess Jolie" ] Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Tori with or without [Spiritcc33@aol.com] Re: Charlie Rose? [Spiritcc33@aol.com] Rosie on wed, right? ["d i v i d i n g c a n a a n" ] Re: Charlie Rose/PBS [puppycakes ] Tori Amos in Pitchfork Media's top 100 of the 90s [Beth Winegarner ] a commercial [the choirboy hotel ] Cosmo article ["K. Fischer" ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [GoneAndromeda@aol.com] Re: Charlie Rose/PBS [Cruel2000@aol.com] No Tori on Charlie Rose ["Nobody Else's Girl" ] regulars "i'm griping-beware" ["glytter grrl" ] Tori in Top 100 albums [Nadyne Mielke ] Our Common Passion ["Eric" ] [none] [angel dust ] beating a dead horse [Abbe J Cohen ] 'Raspberry Swirl' riff played in 'Lust'! [ToriPhileX@aol.com] Re: questions re Aug. 22 concert [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #314 [Heather Cook ] TORI ON CHARLIE ROSE TONITE ["Nobody Else's Girl" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Re: Tori Site I went to one where all the merchandise was RAINN and Tori themed: http://www.gurlpages.com/writing/pandora_girl/rainn.html Faery Blessings, Jenn On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 GoddesKell@aol.com wrote: > > Hey Guys, > I was wondering if any of you knew about a Tori site where you can > order merchandise (T-shirts, keychains, stickers, etc.) and it benefits > RAINN. I read about it on this list and I ordered a T-shirt, but have yet > receive it. So if anyone knows the site or and e-mail addy were I can contact > the girl who does this it would be helpful. > > Thanks, > Kelly > *************************************************************************** " I found the secret to life. I'm okay when everything's not okay." -Tori Amos *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "nicole m. labbe" Subject: Re: Charlie Rose? - --- "Carrie B." wrote: > If you are in the East Coast, the Charlie Rose show > is on at 11pm on WGBH. no, if you are in WGBH's viewing area (boston), it's on at 11pm on WGBH. :-) for everyone else, please check your local listings. http://www.tvguide.com can help. go there. nicole ===== +::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+ nicole@torithoughts.org http://www.angelfire.com/md/gickie +::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+::+ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:10:09 -0500 From: Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Tori on E! News Daily Hi all, Well, I've just finished watching E! News Daily and they did have a short news clip on Tori. It was VERY short, mind you. But this is what Tori usually gets on a channel like E! I guess. Hehe. She was looking REALLY gorgeous (as always :) and she WAS WEARING GLITTER!!! Right under her eyes. I almost jumped when I saw her. It was SO cute! They showed her talking, and they also showed snippets of the "Bliss" and "1,000 Oceans" videos (first time I ever saw both, apart from the captions on the Dent). This is a transcript of what she went on: Steve Kmetko (one of the hosts) introducing her. Tori: "I'm a musician and a woman, I don't know which one comes first" Bliss video snippet; David Adelson talking about how the album was suppossed to be a b-side compilation and how it evolved into more. Tori: "there was an esence, I can't explain it, it's the sweetest drug, music, when it comes and she visits you" Bliss video still in the background. David Adelson talking about how the album ended up having 11 new songs and "live renditions from tours". Short clip of Tori in 1996 (I'd already seen this before on E! back when BfP was released) doing "Marianne" (I think) solo. "1,000 Oceans" video snippet. Adelson: "finding out Tori's inspiration wasn't so easy". Tori: "I would tell you who I've slept with before I tell you who my musical influences are, because I find that very personal". Adelson: "and what about Tori's personal happiness?" Tori: "You know when people smile too much, it's painful. I find that really painful". Bliss video finishes. Tori: "Happy is not very reliable. I'm trying to live like umm, with a fierce calm". Then both Steve Kmetko and Jules Asner (the hosts) made fun of the glitter in her eyes. Kinda. I thought it was funny... so choke me. :) Well, that was it! Very short but I loved the quotes! And she was looking as pretty (with GLITTA! :) as I hadn't seen her in a bit. She is always gorgeous, but I do not need to remind you of that! Hehe. Oky, Giovanni http://come.to/corncity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:33:55 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: questions re Aug. 22 concert At 08:42 AM 10/18/99 -0700, Jennifer Mitts Cypres wrote: > >For those of you at the Aug. 22 concert in Nashville >on Tori's birthday, and if you put a birthday present >for her in the box that was being passed around, did >any one of you get a thank you note or any sort of >acknowledgement from Tori after the fact? I never did >and I was just thinking that wasn't like her. I had >heard she at least sends out an autographed picture or >something when she receives a present. I'm sure she >can't do it for everyone, but nonetheless, I thought >perhaps maybe she didn't receive all the presents. Tori does not generally send out thank-yous of any sort after receiving gifts. Given the sheer amount of stuff she receives, she'd spend her entire day signing things for fans. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:53:07 GMT From: "The Great Goddess Jolie" Subject: Mr.Zebra i believe it was this list and not january girls that had the on going arguement about Queen and Tori. a friend of mine and i have come up with a very good explanation that will satisfy both sides. MrZebra is about freddie mercury and here we go with the explanation *Hello Mr Zebra-Freddie was know for wearing a zebra patterned outfit *Can i have yr sweater cause its cold cold cold in my hole hole hole- we think he hole is a grave...3 colds and 3 holes is 6...6 feet under? *Rattatuolie Strychinine sometimes she's a friend of mine-and agent or poison that causes death *with her gigantic whirlpool that will blow yr mind-we are thinking...gay bath houses...i won't go into why *Hello mr zebra ran into some confusion with a mrs crocodile-Freddie denied he was sick till the day he died...crocodile...as in crocodile tears...faking something *Furry mussels marching on-this confuses us, but we have this image of soldiers *She thinks she's kaisre wilhelm or a civilised silabub to blow yr mind-she (we think she is aids) is eather a dictator or is just doing what she has to do *figure it out she's a good time belle-well...aids is caught from having a "good time" usually *she had a little fun to fight for moneypenny's rights-its ajmes bond refernece...but i really am not sure where this fits in...shes the one james never slept with, though *to bad the burial was premature she siad and smiled-self expalnitory WELL thats our take on it....sorry for any typos....its LATE! kisses jolie * ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:27:44 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about ok regarding this whole anthony kiedis thing ... supposing that this quote from tori is legitimate ... why would she want to create a song about this stupid stupid man?? She never had a relationship with him and one encounter hardly seems enough to justify the deep emotions that I feel from cloud on my tongue. This seems to be written about someone or something that was much much closer, don't you think?? here are a few quotes (from the wonderful Toriphoria website) to further illustrate the meanings of cloud on my tongue. "There's a wonderful acceptance in Cloud On My Tongue, an acceptance of being in circles and circles again. That's its whirlpool vat. It all leads to that." ~~ "Cloud on My Tongue, dealing with Eve... dealing with feeling inferior, that somebody else has something that you want." (20) ~~ "I travel a lot around the world, and I went to all sorts of places, and I ran into different people. Borneo had something that I didn't have. It was a very free. hot, jungly place, and the people that, or a person that came from there, had something that I didn't have that I desperately wanted, which was no rigidity. When i say, 'Leave the wood outside, what, all the girls here are freezing cold, leave me with your Borneo.' Or don't leave me with your Borneo, because I've had it before, and that's why I need the wood, because it just - you can go now, you're already in there, whether it's pregnant or whether it's just infused. You don't even have to hang around and watch me disintegrate, because you've already done your job. You've already accomplished what you wanted, which was another scalp on your belt, and you did it. That's not one of my favorite men songs." (21) ~~ "My only problem was, I said 'You can go now' after he was already in there. I mean, it had done - it was already planted, so whatever it was, that's where I think Cloud balances out Baker Baker a bit, because it's the Shadow side. She's not ignorant. She knows exactly what's happening." ~~ "In Cloud on My Tongue, I put all my power in this other person. I think that they have something that I don't have. Well, of course we all have things the other person doesn't have as far as abilities. But we ALL have emotion that's capable of being complete for each one of us. But you can't be complete for me. We know this in the head, but to really apply it is another thing. Because when you feel inferior, you feel inferior. Sometimes I feel inferior to men who have this raw wolf energy. I just got to this recently. It doesn't mean that I still don't, like, snake around and leak all over the place when I'm around one of them. I kinda go "Oh, God, here it is again. What am I gonna do?" What's happening is that I cut that part out of myself a LONG time ago. Because I judged it to be bad, and I was afraid of it. I was afraid I wouldn't be respected if I got in touch with that. I'm not talking strictly about sex. That's like a form of generating that energy, but just because you're having sex doesn't mean you're generating that energy. Do you see what I mean? But there are other ways of trying to get to it. Like music. Creativity tries to get you to that expression. That kundalini energy. I do it when I'm playing but I've really had a hard time bringing it into my life. I sit there sometimes like all the knobs have all been turned off. And I'll see something with the knob turned on and I go "How did they do that?" (31) ~~ "I crawled up in a flower when this one was being written. It was safe there, and I wasn't ready to let this one in too deep. It was already too close." (14) kisses, joanne * An Angel's face is tricky to wear constantly * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:14:18 EDT From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori with or without I totally agree.... *^ Cornflake girl *^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:47:37 EDT From: Spiritcc33@aol.com Subject: Re: Charlie Rose? Do you know what it would be for the west coast? *Cornflake girl... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:33:38 -0500 From: "d i v i d i n g c a n a a n" Subject: Rosie on wed, right? So, tori's on wednesday's Rosie O'Donnel, right? 'cause according to the TV GUIDE, rosie will be pre-empted for a baseball game, if necessary, and i could not find it airing at any other time that day. this is locally of course, but i know in some other places last week rosie was not shown for the baseball games. any help, people? anthonY:) "If you haven't swallowed it, smoked it, or licked it you suck!" - -tori amos- september 29, 1999 at Starplex in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:27:50 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: Re: Charlie Rose/PBS when we last left our heroes, John Stewart exclaimed: >I *just* heard a rumor the show will be airing *tomorrow* night instead. the charlie rose website updates the planned guests listed on their website on the day of the show...so look at tuesday morning to find out if tori will be on tuesday evening. woj p.s. for those of you in connecticut, charlie rose airs at 1pm on cptv and, for those of you around new york city, it airs at 11pm on wnet/thirteen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:58:19 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Tori Amos in Pitchfork Media's top 100 of the 90s A bit insulting, but check it out: 08 Tori Amos Little Earthquakes Atlantic 1992 We know what you're saying right now and we understand. "What the fuck?!" Exactly. How does Tori Amos make our list of our Top 10 favorite albums of the 1990s? It's unforgivable! Yeah, yeah, I know. I also know that when I was 16, I knew of no album that compared. Amos dared to say things that no other rockgirl had ever dared to say before, paving the way for better, more respectable women like Liz Phair, PJ Harvey and Jarvis Cocker. I'm not saying that justifies it being in the Top 10, but when the votes were tallied, it turned out a lot of us had a secret shame in common. -Ryan Schreiber http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/90s/index10.shtml - -- "8. If you could be any piece of office equipment, what would you be? I think I'm already considered a piece of office equipment, but just for laughs let's say: shredder." (Scotch's web site: http://www.erasing.org/) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:48:09 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: questions re Aug. 22 concert jen if you saw the boxes of gifts at the nashville meet and greet, you know there were absolutetly TONS of gifts for tori that day. and that was just one day...people continued to give her birthday presents throughtout august. in charlotte she said she still hadnt gone through "all the stuff from nashville" but that she would. i wouldnt expect a thank you card. do you think she has time to do that? i know of specific letters or gifts that prompted tori to write a letter or send something. but it's rare, as far as i know. johanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:30:13 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: digital spew from atlantic >*TORI AMOS FEATURED IN COSMO, SPIN, AND ON ROSIE* > >Ain't nobody that can create a stir (or is it swirl?) like Tori Amos -- she >does diva goooooood! Currently she can be found gracing the cover of Spin, >and she also recently had a very interesting interview in Novembers >Cosmopolitan. In the interview Tori talks talked candidly about her >upbringing, her name, her marriage, and the creation of her newest album, to >venus and back. In typical Tori style, she truly says whats on her mind and >what shes been up to - be sure to check it out. > >Want to see the cerebral songwriter in action? Then be sure to catch her >this Wednesday, October 20th, as she performs "1000 Oceans" on the Rosie >ODonnell show at 10 AM (Eastern). Unable to wait? Then be sure to log onto >Spin.com, theyve posted their recent Tori interview online, and in it youll >find out just how serious some of her fans can get. (Think Tori tattoos). >Also, be sure to log onto AOLs homepage on October 19th for a Steve Madden >(Toris shoe designer) sponsored chat October 19th at 8:30pm Eastern. Read >up, and have your questions ready. note: check your local listings to find out when rosie o'donnell airs in your area. 10am, as noted in the above news item, is show is fed, but it may be on later in the day on your local station. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: the choirboy hotel Subject: a commercial i was watching like the dumbass i am for charlie rose and right before it, there was a commecrial for something about crazy teens (i wasn't paying attention) and they were playing Precious Things in the background neato bye bye the drunk boy in the corner ===== through that and this trading list - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/trading/html/ tea with the waitress - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/waitress/html/ ashley's page - http://members.tripod.com/venusenvy/ 'rolling and unrolling, coiling, emerging, running free...' - tori amos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: Cosmo article I just read the Cosmo article on Tori in the November issue and I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on Tori's comment about "doing a bit of blow" while she was in the studio. At first I was caught off guard by this remark, but I know there's never just one interpretation of things Tori says. I'm just curious about how others have reacted to this article. Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:01:43 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco once again, clipping from Richard's well written prose on life and the ups and downs of tori tours: just had to include that, because it made me smile. :D < I will say that if you're close enough to be able to see Tori's expressions clearly (especially if she knows your face or actually knows you a bit, and thus, there's a good chance of interaction during the show), then it becomes an entirely different show; not by a little, but by an order of magnitude.> this is absolutely true. being in the front row for a tori show is absolutely an indescribable and incomparable experience. especially once she knows you, that interaction is incredible. there is nothing better than being with all your friends, enjoying those moments. I agree with Richard that there will be inevitable pushing at any show in the front. Of course i would never justify *taking* someone else's spot. but for many people, getting to the front is important enough that risking the wrath of some security is no issue at all. When the lights go down, there will be an inevitable rush. and i think its' completely unfair to say "its the "regulars" and only the "regulars"." If my grandfather was there i guarantee you he would do some pushing too. This brings me to a question ive been wanting to ask ewf. ask yourself what it is that you want to get from tori- from the experience, and from tori herself. when i go to meet and greets, i dont ask for autographs. i have one thing that has been signed by tori, and its because she asked for it, to sign. i go for other things....what is it that you want to get from her? there is an incredible interaction that goes on with tori and her fans. people have said this time and time again, and its true. tori wants familiar faces near her. she wants to talk to the folks she knows- she is genuinely concerned for them and likes them as people. this doesnt mean she doesnt care about anyone else. im not saying that. but accusations and this rage, which i think stems from jealousy and frustration, i think it just diffuses what could be an incredible discussion among us. i understand the feeling of frustration. but i dont understand the name calling and the bitterness of some of the complaining that goes on. you can never understand what it is to be someone else. you just cant. so judging others is a futile act.... johanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:25:37 EDT From: Cruel2000@aol.com Subject: Re: Charlie Rose/PBS Just checked the site. Tori is not scheduled to appear today (Tuesday, October 19th). :( maybe tomorrow. - -Kris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nobody Else's Girl" Subject: No Tori on Charlie Rose Well, I watched Charlie Rose last night and the president of Hewlett Packard, Marc Anthony, and the owner of the Dallas Cowboys was on....but no Tori :( . Does anyone know when Tori is supposed to be on? It wasn't on in the East Coast -- but I guess Public television doesn't have to be consistent with the listings. Was it on for anyone anywhere? : `. ; .' `. .-'''-. .' ;' __ _;' Carrie E. Batcheller / '_ _`\ 165 A Pleasant St. | _( a ( a | Melrose MA 02176 '''''| (_) > |`````` \ \ / / http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 `. `--'.' .' `-,,,-' `. .' : `. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:14:25 EDT From: "glytter grrl" Subject: regulars "i'm griping-beware" i think this shiz w/ the regulars is just a load of bunk. I'm sorry, I don't care how many shows you've been to, how "comfy/cozy" you are w/ tori or how comfy/cozy you *think* you are w/ tori, you shouldn't think you're god or anything else more than any other tori fan. This bunk about regs getting better seats cause they're short, hey! I've been a loyal tori fan since LE came out, I'm 5'3"! Give me a fucking front row ticket! What? I can't have one? Oh I see, I haven't attented every show since she started touring....That's ok..And as for tour desperation, people need to get a grip on reality. Yeah, on last date of the tour nights, it's gets a little sad, knowing that tori won't be making one last swing by my house, but there will be more tours, I DEAL WITH IT! Some others need to learn to also. And as for meet & greets? I got my one shot on DDI, I was happy. Of course we weren't at all of the previous shows, we have lives to live outside of tori. Will I ever stand in line for a meet & greet again? most likely some day, but it'll take a lot of convincing because the way they're taken care of and the fact that I won't have the chance of getting anywhere near the crowd gates because of the way things are run by i guess "regulars" that have been to every show, and every meet and greet. >You know, one of Tori's security came up to me before the show and asked >me if my seat was okay. The subtext of that question was "Was the front >row ticket you were given over on the far left side okay?" I told him it >was fine, and that I knew some people would kill to have had one fourth of >my experiences at the shows. (Is my seat okay. Yeah--it's great. Thanks.) All I can say to Richard and all his experiences is, must be fucking nice....must be really really nice. Peace, Love & Financial Happiness, becka ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:42:01 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Tori in Top 100 albums Little Earthquakes is ranked #8 on www.pitchforkmedia.com 's Top 100 Albums Of The 90's list. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/90s/index10.shtml ___ 08 Tori Amos Little Earthquakes Atlantic 1992 We know what you're saying right now and we understand. "What the fuck?!" Exactly. How does Tori Amos make our list of our Top 10 favorite albums of the 1990s? It's unforgivable! Yeah, yeah, I know. I also know that when I was 16, I knew of no album that compared. Amos' dared to say things that no other rockgirl had ever dared to say before, paving the way for better, more respectable women like Liz Phair, PJ Harvey and Jarvis Cocker. I'm not saying that justifies it being in the Top 10, but when the votes were tallied, it turned out a lot of us had a secret shame in common. - -Ryan Schreiber ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:00:40 -0700 From: "Eric" Subject: Our Common Passion Ellen, I want to publicly thank you for your recent post about your first Tori experience and about what connects all of us in the first place - our common passion for Tori's music. I thought about quoting a part of your message here - but I would have had to quote the entire post. In my opinion, it perfectly describes what being a Toriphile or one of the Ears With Feet is all about. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and remembering us all of where everything is coming from. The atmosphere that you describe is still there. The friendliness, the common celebration of the passion for the music, experiencing this incredible source of energy together. Trying to thank Tori and to give something back to her rather than to compete with fellow Toriphiles for a few seconds of Tori's time. At shows, I enjoy meeting other Ears With Feet and to get to know them and to exchange stories with them. Wonderful people are showing up and making friends with some of them made my life richer. I hope that Tori is proud of the fact that friendships are established and developed because of her music and the atmosphere around it. Nowadays, the atmosphere around the shows is influenced by what I would like to call the 'Meet&Greet dilemma'. With more and more people trying to participate in the experience, Tori has become a very limited 'resource'. And not everybody seems to be able to step back and realize that it might sometimes be more important to participate in creating an atmosphere where Tori still likes to meet any of us than to actually meet Tori. To show some respect for the desire of others to meet Tori. I admit that I want to say Hi Tori whenever I get a chance and there is quite some selfishness involved in this. But I also realize that from Tori's point of view it does not matter at all whether she meets me or someone else - as long as the people that she meets find a way to express their gratitude for what she is doing and to give a little bit of positive energy back to her. There is probably no easy way to handle the Meet&Greets so that they are 'fair' for everybody - there are mostly just too many people and Tori cannot spend all her time out there. Besides, she and her people also need to take care of her security. My personal opinion also is that the Meet&Greets that I have recently experienced have been poorly organized. Basically they have not been organized at all - which inevitably turned them into some kind of darwinistic experience. Which was disappointing, because this usually means that people who try to be polite and respectful towards everyone else do not end up in the first row at the barricade... I had a lot of sympathy for the group of people at the second 5.5 weeks show in Irvine on September 26 that made an attempt to organize the Meet&Greet a little bit. They made very clear that they would not even try to see Tori themselves on that day and they just wanted to create a good experience for as many of us as possible. However, their good intentions were futile from the beginning, because there were just too many people there that would have had no chance to get anywhere near Tori if they agreed to a procedure that gave priority to those who had been there first. It was disappointing to see usually very nice people competing for Tori's attention - and that is not what it all should be about. Finally, a comment about the discussion around the term 'regulars'. Why should the fact that these people are able to see multiple Tori shows make them in any way different from others? There are all kinds of people around - I found most of them wonderful persons. Most of them could not be further away from the idea that they might be 'better' fans or from competing with others for some seconds with Tori. But there are also some that are still in the process of learning that it sometimes can also be very satisfying to observe somebody else talking to Tori - and to exchange stories afterwards. Their behavior draws criticism which might be justified but which however should not be projected to everybody who attends several shows. And I am afraid that Meet&Greets nowadays would not immediately be a much better experience if Ears With Feet that have met Tori before were somehow not allowed to attend them anymore - there was usually only one barricade in the front and the people in the front are never allowed to move back after talking to Tori... One word for those of you who do not know Richard Handal. I have had the privilege of spending some time with him this year at some shows. For me, he personally represents what Ears With Feet means. I admire the way he experiences and understands Tori's shows. He cares about Tori and how she feels as well as he cares about fellow Toriphiles. He is one of the most honest persons that I ever met and although I have no way of actually personally knowing this, I really think that Tori herself likes him and his way a lot. And when you see him on the phone after a show, you can be sure that he takes responsibility for drawing an accurate picture of his impression of that night in order to give everybody who could not be there a chance to participate a little bit from the distance. For me it is hard to think of anyone who could be more respectful towards fellow Toriphiles. Thank you and take care, Eric (with a 'c') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:14:25 EDT From: angel dust Subject: [none] so is anyone here from washington, or just meg, courtney and myself? like latex, fur and feathers: angel "that's why they call me the mistress of pain" ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: beating a dead horse Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I think there's been some overreacting going on here, and I find it worth saying something when it gets to the point that we're jumping on the back of someone who spends time and energy keeping this list running for making a factual statement. =/ I saw no implied and certainly no stated animosity for the "regulars" getting to see the show. [Heck, I think Mike and woj are "regulars" in that they manage to jump at the chance to get to see Tori, especially at small showings, and do their best to get to them even when it's tough to fit in their schedules, and certainly succeed more often than me, for whom a show more than 2 hours outside of Boston's usually too far to get to!] Anyway, it looked to me like Mike expressed unhappiness that he and a bunch of other people had been screwed out of seeing the Hard Rock Live taping thanks to some poor communication and other problems with Atlantic, and that he hoped that the people who hadn't been screwed either because they found a way in or a ticket other than Mikewhy's tix from Atlantic, or because they were in the lucky part of Mikewhy's line, had enjoyed the show. To quote him: " I hope those who did get in, including both the 45-50 people who got in from Mike's list and the usual clique of Tori fans who managed to make their own special arrangements, had fun at the taping and that it was a good show so that the experience was a good one for at least some of Tori's fans." And then someone flamed him for saying it, because there's "too much animosity towards the regulars?" Sheesh. I know email's a medium where it's hard to tell what people really mean sometimes, but it often helps if you assume that what they meant wasn't to insult you and your mother and her mothers' mother before her... I wish people would think and read a little more carefully before flaming one another to death on this list. - --Abbe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:19:21 EDT From: ToriPhileX@aol.com Subject: 'Raspberry Swirl' riff played in 'Lust'! Ok, I was listening to 'Lust' really loud today, and I noticed something really nifty. If you listen to the second time she says "Hey you gender nector," the guitar in the background is playing the "Raspberry Swirl" riff!!! Give it a listen, it's pretty cool!! Reece ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: questions re Aug. 22 concert - --- GoneAndromeda@aol.com wrote: > i wouldnt expect a thank you card. do you think she > has time to do that? i know of specific letters or > gifts that prompted tori to write a letter or > send something. but it's rare, as far as i know. Yeah, I didn't think she'd send everyone a thank you, but I was just wondering if anybody did get one anyway. Like one person. You know, just curious. Thanks Joanna, jen ===== Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:01:43 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Re: Mr.Zebra Hi Jolie; ">MrZebra is about freddie mercury" Mmkay thanks but, not sure why I was CCed this ? I don't remember commenting on the issue. But it was interesting. Long as we're on the topic tho, wasn't there a song that Tori mentioned Freddie Mercury was the name of the bee that came and sat on her shoulder while she was writing it ? I can't remember the song's title. If it was Mr. Zebra, well then I guess that'd lend credence to this theory. Anyone remember that quote ? K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:11:46 -0400 From: Heather Cook Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #314 I just HAD to respond...... >Erika said: > >> I was at the Boise show. My husband and I had done the RAINN thing and >> we were in first row. If certain people had fairly decent seats, how >> come said same people still felt the need to push, shove and weasel >> their way from what 4th row to 1st. > I agreed with your entire statement Erika. I'm with you. I went to the buffalo show and by some freak of getting online at the right time had front row seats. Well, there was a baby row in front but where I was (over to the right) there was nothing in front of me. Security was SOOO tight, you needed wristbands and all this stuff to get in....and I WAS HAPPY BECAUSE OF IT. You know why? Because I paid a lot of money for my seat, and if I'd not been able to enjoy it because of being crowded and having all these people crowd me and stand around me and force me to fight for space I would have been sooo angry!!!! Being a fan does NOT IMHO give anyone the right to rush a stage....if your ticket isn't the greatest (the only other show I went to was general admission and I hung out way in the back because of the crowds)...thats the way it is. But when people spend a lot of money for good seats ( or win them) , I feel that they should be respected and allowed to enjoy them. just my opinion. one more comment, Richard. Read what you wrote in this paragraph. Richard said: > >As to the meet and greet behavior, I never understood the need to talk >with Tori show after show after show, but then, you weren't at the >previous shows so you don't know that most of the regulars skipped almost >all if not every single meet and greet on this tour. I stood in the back >for a few and didn't participate in a single one (other than once when >Tori stunned me by yelling out a hello and I said hello back to her). Some >of the regulars had just come back on the tour for the last shows, so you >were seeing a bit of that. But, no, I have to think that for most of us >who get invited backstage from time to time, allowing folks who never met >her to have a chance at her at the meet and greets would be the preferred >behavior. I wish everyone could meet her. She's an astonishing person. > I think the problem people have with "regulars" comes from frustration and bitterness from not getting all these advantages. MOST OF US don't get invited backstage, MOST OF US AREN'T known to Tori. And I'm not saying that the people who are all of these things don't deserve it, because they do. Simply that there are so many fans now and its so hard to achieve what you have....in fact its impossible. Everything you said in this paragraph..while true and that's great for you.... is probably not possible for 99.9% of us.... and that's frustrating and it is a bitter pill to swallow. Jealousy? Maybe. i don't think i said what I wanted clear enough...i'm not trying to offend. I'm just trying to explain....and now I must go home. just my thoughts. realize how special what you have is. that's all. gotta run heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nobody Else's Girl" Subject: TORI ON CHARLIE ROSE TONITE I called the automated line for the Charlie Rose show, and Tori Amos is confirmed tonite. So check your local listings for the time and channel. : `. ; .' `. .-'''-. .' ;' __ _;' Carrie E. Batcheller / '_ _`\ 165 A Pleasant St. | _( a ( a | Melrose MA 02176 '''''| (_) > |`````` \ \ / / http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 `. `--'.' .' `-,,,-' `. .' : `. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Johanna said: > being in the front row for a tori show is absolutely an indescribable > and incomparable experience. especially once she knows you, that > interaction is incredible. there is nothing better than being with all > your friends, enjoying those moments. I find the shows in many ways to be a solitary experience, or at least one of great intimacy between the performer(s) and myself. If I'm within eyeball distance of Tori and the band and a friend is near me, sure, I'll look to them during the show from time to time to see if they're reacting to what's going on onstage. But by and large, what goes on during the shows when I'm close to the front are intimate interactions between me and Tori, and even the guys in the band. (Although it's funny to me how much more "stuff" comes flying off the stage from her than from the guys.) This whole area fascinates me, and I've been discussing it recently. If you're locked in gaze with Tori while she's playing, she's the only person in the world who has any idea what's going on with you for that moment. No one else could, because everyone else in the audience is looking to the stage, too. I've had people tell me of her looking right at them--deeply into them, as only Tori Amos can--during specific song lyrics which they told her in letters up to many months earlier held special meaning for them. Ask Joel and he'll confirm that she has a nearly photographic memory. These things are not imagined by people. Well, not by most people, anyhow. I must admit that there do seem to be folks around once in a while who hear voices who think she's sending special messages to them; just as there are folks who think the president is sending them special messages during televised speeches. Mentally disturbed people are all around us, not just fans of Tori Amos. But this whole area is something I've never seen discussed before. Surely, it's one reason some folks feel the need to go to a ton of shows and get right up front. Where I begin not to understand, though, is that I've had plenty of interaction from the stage when I've been as far back as 60 or more feet. I have no need to be in the very front for this kind of thing to happen. This again brings me back to some of the regulars being kinda short; and if you're 60 feet back on the floor with nine people between you and the stage, maybe if you're five foot ten or so as I am it's not a huge problem, but if you're five foot two it certainly will be. > This brings me to a question ive been wanting to ask ewf. ask yourself > what it is that you want to get from tori- from the experience, and from > tori herself. I think this is a worthwhile thing to contemplate. She is capable of giving a lot of different things to people when we speak with her or attend a show. Clearly, different folks need quite different things from interacting with her. She really cares about us. There's only one of her, though, and she has little "extra" time on show days. My hope is that if folks don't have a deep and specific need to interact with her that they'll find it in their hearts to give those who have never met her before a chance. > people have said this time and time again, and its true. tori wants > familiar faces near her. she wants to talk to the folks she knows- she > is genuinely concerned for them and likes them as people. this doesnt > mean she doesnt care about anyone else. im not saying that. but > accusations and this rage, which i think stems from jealousy and > frustration, i think it just diffuses what could be an incredible > discussion among us. I agree with all of that 100%. So much of what goes on is almost like a dirty little secret, and never ends up being discussed, and most folks have no idea that it goes on at all. It's like an entirely different world that relatively few know exists, and even fewer have experienced. This is one reason people are afraid to talk about their experiences. I regularly expect to be ridiculed for some of the things I say which I know exist, but which sound looney. It has even made it difficult for me to talk to old friends who aren't into Tori, or who are, but not enough to feel it deeply as many of us here do. Erin O'Neill said on The Dent's Hard Rock Live page: the VH1 people must have thought the crowd was a bunch of quacks, because how often do they have a taping where everyone is silent and crying and motionless after? I'd been pretty good right up to that Cooling intro. Then I lost it--lost it bigtime. When she left the stage after Cooling I was absolutely crying my eyes out. No one but one of the other folks who'd been to a ton of shows and knew what it was like to have seen her so often week after week could have known the depth of feeling for what it was like to have the emotions of the tour being over and not seeing her again for a long time come crashing down on you all at once. I grabbed one of the regulars and cryed my eyes out on her shoulder for what seemed two solid minutes. Many of you reading this probably think I'm nuts as you read that, or that I'm a big crybaby. I can live with that. I know there really is no way to adequately explain this. I have a hard enough time explaining it to myself, let alone anyone else. Surely, this is one reason that most of the folks who go to tons of shows keep mainly to themselves. > you can never understand what it is to be someone else. you just cant. so > judging others is a futile act.... Thanks for all that, Johanna. And thanks for the kind words. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #315 *************************************